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What ticks me off is that this story was essentially headline news (locally) for two straight days.  This was before anyone even knew anything, and of course the news first made it out to be a random invasion...then it turned into something else...then again something else, and finally we are starting to see the true picture.

 

BTW, the guys that lived there that were involved with the drug dealing were reported as being from West Chester.  Hmm....

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What ticks me off is that this story was essentially headline news (locally) for two straight days.  This was before anyone even knew anything, and of course the news first made it out to be a random invasion...then it turned into something else...then again something else, and finally we are starting to see the true picture.

 

BTW, the guys that lived there that were involved with the drug dealing were reported as being from West Chester.  Hmm....

 

What are you going to do about it?

What ticks me off is that this story was essentially headline news (locally) for two straight days.  This was before anyone even knew anything, and of course the news first made it out to be a random invasion...then it turned into something else...then again something else, and finally we are starting to see the true picture.

 

BTW, the guys that lived there that were involved with the drug dealing were reported as being from West Chester.  Hmm....

 

What are you going to do about it?

 

b!tch and whine on here and to anyone who brings up the topic.

So my wife tells me that an intern at her work was driving back to UC around noon yesterday and was on Main st.  She had her windows down due to the nice weather and apparently some man reached into her passenger side window and grabbed her book of CD's and took off.  This was right at the light before CUE.  I know this is an isolated event, but I just don't understand when you drive up Main St. why their are so many "not so friendly" looking people just hanging around on the corners?

Homicide Totals

2005:  79

2006:  85

2007:  55 (thru October '07)

 

Rape Totals

2005:  386

2006:  344

2007:  264 (thru October '07)

 

Robbery Totals

2005:  2,291

2006:  2,329

2007:  1,644 (thru October '07)

 

Aggravated Assault Totals

2005:  1,276

2006:  1,151

2007:  939 (thru October '07)

 

Burglary Totals

2005:  5,427

2006:  5,980

2007:  5,139 (thru October '07)

 

Larceny Totals

2005:  14,445

2006:  13,922

2007:  10,655 (thru October '07)

 

Auto Theft Totals

2005:  3,341

2006:  3,038

2007:  2,062 (thru October '07)

http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/pages/-4258-/

Every single one of these categories has seen significant drops from 2005 to 2007.  The whole notion that crime is simply being displaced from one part of the city (ie OTR) to another (ie Walnut Hills or Price Hill) is simply not true.  We are seeing stunning decreases in crime in OTR sure...but we are also seeing solid decreases in crime across the board for the city as a whole.  Good work Cincinnati!

 

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randy, take those stats, divide them by 0.8333 (10 of 12 months completed) and then repost, it should give a projection for the end of the year total.  The projection will be high because november and december are low crime months.

That is a good sign....I feel like the majority of area's have been getting safer over the past two years.  It's a great thing.

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Every single one of these categories has seen significant drops from 2005 to 2007.  The whole notion that crime is simply being displaced from one part of the city (ie OTR) to another (ie Walnut Hills or Price Hill) is simply not true.  We are seeing stunning decreases in crime in OTR sure...but we are also seeing solid decreases in crime across the board for the city as a whole.  Good work Cincinnati!

 

I second that!  However this is only the beginning.  We will see spikes here and there but with a combined effort of both effective policing and aggressive development, we have turned a corner towards the positive.

I've stated this before, it will be interesting to see how OTR is affected without the presence of the sheriffs patrolling the area now.

^I have faith that the powers at be in OTR won't let things slip back to the way they were in 2005.  If people start to notice a change post-sheriffs, then I bet you'll see something happen that will get things back on track.

^Well the story isn't as crazy as I initially thought.  I thought gang members where shooting at each other, but they where firing their guns into the air........I guess kind of like pouring out some of your 40, but way dumber.

I don't know why but this carjacking story made me chuckle a little.  :lol:

 

CINCINNATI -- Police are investigating an Over-The-Rhine carjacking Friday morning.

 

Investigators said a gunman wearing a fake mustache and black jacket stole the car around 5:30 a.m. from a driver near the intersection of Vine Street and East Clifton Avenue.

 

Investigators said the gunman fled southbound in the car, a gold 2002 Chevrolet Impala with Kentucky plates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Investigators said a gunman wearing a fake mustache and black jacket stole the car around 5:30 a.m. from a driver near the intersection of Vine Street and East Clifton Avenue.

Investigators said the gunman fled southbound in the car, a gold 2002 Chevrolet Impala with Kentucky plates.

 

Something about two wrongs making this guy get exactly what he deserved pops into my head.

^I was thinking the same thing

Kentucky Plates in OTR = BULLSEYE

 

If Ohio plates still had the county names on them I would suspect the same thing would be the case with Butler/Warren/Clermont County plates.

^they have little numbers in the corner.  31 is hamilton county, I think 85 is butler.

Kentucky Plates in OTR = BULLSEYE

 

Hey isn't that profiling?  :wink: Trucks with indiana plates in OTR are pretty obvious too.

 

 

Debateable!

^they have little numbers in the corner.  31 is hamilton county, I think 85 is butler.

 

Butler is actually 09 and Warren in 57 (I think)...but those are require much more thought/effort to figure out than simply reading what county it is.

Looks like Mason is more dangerous than the city of cincinnati.  They just had 5 homicides last night.

 

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=b1f94271-8331-4a79-8620-4771a69e699e

 

that would put Mason's homicide rate for 2008 at 22.7 per 100k (5 homicides for 22,740 people)

Cincinnati's homicide rate for 2007: 20.4 per 100k (68 for 332k)

 

I'm really not all that comfortable with these comparisons of crime statistics.  That story about the Mason deaths had 4 kids tragically killed, and people are on here making light of the situation by saying Mason is more dangerous then Cincinnati.

^ I agree, but I think it is just a kneejerk reaction to how the media treats crime in the city.  It is never about the human tragedy or backstory, just about the numbers.

I'm really not all that comfortable with these comparisons of crime statistics.  That story about the Mason deaths had 4 kids tragically killed, and people are on here making light of the situation by saying Mason is more dangerous then Cincinnati.

 

Making light of the situation? YGTBFKM The Father should be skinned slowly and dipped in saltwater for what he did. Killing your own Family is beyond evil.

Let me rephrase that... Currently Mason is more dangerous than cincinnati if you are a kid.

 

 

That man should and will burn in hell....also I don't think it's right to compare this to murder's in the city.  This was a crazy man who murdered his family versus the murders in Cincinnati which are all separate events done by different people, not just one person.

The original article had the headlines "5 die in Mason Fire", even though they stated that there were stab wounds on bodies later in the article.  If it was OTR the News would say 5 Dead in OTR Murder Rampage and state that there was a fire later in the article.  I am just calling out the media on this.

The original article had the headlines "5 die in Mason Fire", even though they stated that there were stab wounds on bodies later in the article.  If it was OTR the News would say 5 Dead in OTR Murder Rampage and state that there was a fire later in the article.  I am just calling out the media on this.

 

This is true.

I was amazed that I heard this story on national news.

There has been a string of kids getting killed over the past 2 weeks. Copy cat crimes. The see this on the news and it just makes them snap for some reason.

 

 

I'm really not all that comfortable with these comparisons of crime statistics.  That story about the Mason deaths had 4 kids tragically killed, and people are on here making light of the situation by saying Mason is more dangerous then Cincinnati.

Which makes this crime worse than any crime in Cincinnati.

I'm really not all that comfortable with these comparisons of crime statistics.  That story about the Mason deaths had 4 kids tragically killed, and people are on here making light of the situation by saying Mason is more dangerous then Cincinnati.

 

It is tragic every time someone is murdered...regardless of where it took places, who the victim was, or how it happened.  It is always a sad/tragic event...the local news media though almost seems to take pleasure in broadcasting the details of every one that takes place.  It is unfortunate.

>That man should and will burn in hell....also I don't think it's right to compare this to murder's in the city

 

It's totally comperable because most perpetrators of violent crime know the victim.  And yet people fear the city because of random violent crime, which is virtually nonexistent nationwide.  More people die each year in America in silly accidents at home like slipping in the shower than by midnight ramblers.

 

Why does this story make big headlines?  It's unusual, like all murders and arson, and it's a white middle-class suburban family, and small-minded people say by golly Miss Molly that could be my cul-de-sac. 

 

Why is violent crime newsworthy?  Because it almost never happens. 

I'm not saying this guy is innocent but how do they know after one day that the wife didn't set the fires and the husband tried to stop her?

A post from www.cincymoms.com, which should probably be renamed barf.com:

 

Like everyone, I am just horrified and in shock.  My son goes to the same school with the oldest girl.  He is not home right now - not sure if he knows (knew) her or not.  Not sure how we are going to talk to him about this.  The school said they will have counseling available on Monday.  They already e-mailed to all families a little bit about how to approach this with our children.  Still not going to be easy.  DS is only 8.  Like everyone, my prayers will be with the Veillette family today and in the sorrowful days ahead.

 

When I was a kid a teenager about 8 houses up the street killed himself.  We sure as hell didn't have "grief counselors" (now that I think of it, my school of 900 students didn't have a single counselor), in fact, it being a Catholic School, the cemetary was right out back and the funeral was visible out the windows of many classrooms.  I remember my dad just told me the kid had shot himself and that was that.  There's nothing really to discuss, he certainly didn't need an email from the school to know what to say.       

 

The problem with how people understand crime and so much else comes from a lack of understanding of statistics and a media that caters to a population that largely can't articulate its opinions and emotions.  The media dictates the proper responses to events like this -- peruse cincymoms.com for a who's who of cliches.

 

Look at the way people search for something to point at to which blame can be solidly adhered.  People don't like complexity and chance, they like routines and soundbites and jingles.     

A post from www.cincymoms.com, which should probably be renamed barf.com:

 

Like everyone, I am just horrified and in shock.  My son goes to the same school with the oldest girl.  He is not home right now - not sure if he knows (knew) her or not.  Not sure how we are going to talk to him about this.  The school said they will have counseling available on Monday.  They already e-mailed to all families a little bit about how to approach this with our children.  Still not going to be easy.  DS is only 8.  Like everyone, my prayers will be with the Veillette family today and in the sorrowful days ahead.

 

When I was a kid a teenager about 8 houses up the street killed himself.  We sure as hell didn't have "grief counselors" (now that I think of it, my school of 900 students didn't have a single counselor), in fact, it being a Catholic School, the cemetary was right out back and the funeral was visible out the windows of many classrooms.  I remember my dad just told me the kid had shot himself and that was that.  There's nothing really to discuss, he certainly didn't need an email from the school to know what to say.       

 

The problem with how people understand crime and so much else comes from a lack of understanding of statistics and a media that caters to a population that largely can't articulate its opinions and emotions.  The media dictates the proper responses to events like this -- peruse cincymoms.com for a who's who of cliches.

 

Look at the way people search for something to point at to which blame can be solidly adhered.  People don't like complexity and chance, they like routines and soundbites and jingles.     

 

Get over your self already. What right do you have to criticize how people grieve?  Just because you're the hardass to beat all hardasses doesn't mean that others should feel stupid for needing to talk to a grief counselor. 

Deters' tough talk stirs debate

Cincinnati Enquirer, January 16, 2008

 

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters' essay on what he believes is ailing Cincinnati, published in Cincinnati Gentlemen magazine, has created plenty of heated discussion this week.

 

Asked to comment on the failure of November’s jail-tax issue, Deters wrote that the city has become far less safe in recent years and will only deteriorate unless a jail is built and police receive more support, regardless of economic development. Current policies will mean more criminals on the street, and “the result of more criminals on the street is more crime.” And he called the current streetcar proposal a “bad idea.”

^I agree with fighting crime the way NYC did, but also agree with the promotion\development of downtown.  What I don't agree with is why can't both plans happen.  Why does it just have to be one or the other.  I think it's possible to do both at the same time!

What I don't agree with is why can't both plans happen.  Why does it just have to be one or the other.  I think it's possible to do both at the same time!

 

I think that is what has been going on.

>Get over your self already. What right do you have to criticize how people grieve?

 

Because it's ridiculous.  The incredible power of the mass media, the simulacra if you will, dictates the proper way to "cope" with situations for people who don't have confidence in their own observations and thoughts.  TV.  The Radio.  The Internet.  People "are asking why?", they are "looking for answers".

 

And the true power of of the media is that if you don't go along with their herd mentality, people think you're a jerk, as is being shown right here.   

^I agree with fighting crime the way NYC did, but also agree with the promotion\development of downtown.  What I don't agree with is why can't both plans happen.  Why does it just have to be one or the other.  I think it's possible to do both at the same time!

 

If you want to fight crime the way NYC did in Cincinnati, you're going to need a boom in international immigration to the city, as well as a massive and rapid expansion of the financial sector in this City.  I don't see it happening.

Residents, diversity make city safe, not jails

BY JUSTIN STENGER | CINCINNATI ENQUIRER GUEST EDITORIAL

January 17, 2008

 

What makes a city safe?

 

Sounds like an easy question, but the answer is a lot more complicated than most Cincinnati politicos will have you believe. Hamilton County Prosecutor Joseph Deters' recent comments in Cincinnati Gentlemen magazine show just how disconnected he along with many other of our so-called leaders are from the actual situation facing our city.

 

Police and jails do not make a city safe. The residents and visitors do.

VERY GOOD ARTICLE!

I agree!

 

It should be noted that OTR was a well integrated neighborhood -- as were neighborhoods of the past. As we have experienced with the widening income gap, in that wealthier Caucasians are relocating further out into the suburbs, African-Americans are left in neighborhoods where the building stock has deteriorated. Neighborhoods become segregated and the whole social and economic fabric breaks down.

As we have experienced with the widening income gap, in that wealthier Caucasians are relocating further out into the suburbs, African-Americans are left in neighborhoods where the building stock has deteriorated. Neighborhoods become segregated and the whole social and economic fabric breaks down.

 

Both the suburban/predominantely white neighborhoods, and the inner-city/predominantely black neighborhoods have lost valuable social capital in this process.

As we have experienced with the widening income gap, in that wealthier Caucasians are relocating further out into the suburbs, African-Americans are left in neighborhoods where the building stock has deteriorated. Neighborhoods become segregated and the whole social and economic fabric breaks down.

 

Both the suburban/predominantely white neighborhoods, and the inner-city/predominantely black neighborhoods have lost valuable social capital in this process.

 

This was not entirely done by choice, but forced, or at least incentiviced by HUD. Now those incentives are being dispersed, and this is why the change we are seeing in urban cores throughout the US are lasting changes.

I agree!

 

It should be noted that OTR was a well integrated neighborhood -- as were neighborhoods of the past.

 

I would submit your statement there is a highly romantic version of the past. FWIW OTR started off as an enclave of wealthly Germans.

 

As we have experienced with the widening income gap, in that wealthier Caucasians are relocating further out into the suburbs, African-Americans are left in neighborhoods where the building stock has deteriorated. Neighborhoods become segregated and the whole social and economic fabric breaks down.

 

only wealthy whites move out?

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