November 19, 200816 yr Tipsters a big help as Taliband nabbed http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081119/NEWS01/811190324/1055/NEWS Something changed in Cincinnati this week. In a city where police often find themselves begging eyewitnesses to come forward, this week, they have been inundated with solid leads and tips from the community on where to find members of a powerful gang. The public came through in such huge numbers that phone lines at the police department were jammed with tips about the Northside Taliband. Some parents even gave up their own sons, saying it was time for them to face their charges.
December 16, 200816 yr CIRV Receives National Award http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/mayor/downloads/mayor_pdf35263.pdf At the Annual Conference of the International Association of Police Chiefs (IACP), the City of Cincinnati was honored with the Webber Seavey Award for Quality in Law Enforcement for the Cincinnati Initiative to Reduce Violence (CIRV). The City of Cincinnati was one of three winners out of 156 applicants. The other two winners were from India and Belgium.
December 31, 200816 yr Cincinnati closes the book on 2001 race riots By Terry Kinney, AP, December 30, 2008 CINCINNATI -- The Cincinnati Police Department has made significant progress in changing practices and building community relationships since race riots stunned the city in 2001, a court-appointed monitor said in his final report released Tuesday. The report wraps up a six-year review of police procedures, policies, training and record keeping. It resulted from an agreement with the Justice Department a year after the riots and from a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and black activists who claimed 30 years of harassment by police.
January 1, 200916 yr so how many murders in 2008? Did we go down. It seemed close to 2007 for awhile.
January 1, 200916 yr 54 murders recorded as of September. They need to update their statistics. Avondale is the murder capital as far as Cinci. neighborhoods go.
January 1, 200916 yr 74 as of two days ago, still waiting for official confirmation but ZERO downtown for all of 2008
January 1, 200916 yr bah. Cleveland: 102, down from 134 in 2007 (-24%). - Columbus: 108, up from 79 in 2007 (+37%). - Cincinnati: 75, up from 69 in 2007 (+9%). - Toledo: 20, up from 13 in 2007 (+54%).
January 2, 200916 yr Wow! Columbus numbers surprised me! The columbus numbers are usually that high or higher. Last year was actually a very low number, which is why it looks like this year all hell broke loose --- But no, 100-120 is the normal count in Columbus. They really shouldn't do last year/this year percentage comparisons for homicides. In most cities, 5 more murders in a whole year could equate to something like 10-50 percent increase; which makes it look like the year was horrible, but really could have been caused by only one incident. I think showing the last 5 years at least should be required.
January 2, 200916 yr Yeah, if you looked at the past 5 years, 108 would be about average for Columbus.
January 3, 200916 yr Cincinnatians should be proud of the progress we have made on this front over the past 5 years. This is one of the biggest problems across the nation in any city with a significant black population. The friction between white and black America is still there. Cincinnati had its friction become a public display in the summer of 2001, but Cincinnati in the summer of 2001 is not much different from many other cities now. His report said Cincinnati's police reform effort was one of the most ambitious ever attempted - and one of the most successful. "Cincinnati is now a model, it can be a model and should be a model," he said. "It isn't an overnight fix, it isn't cheap, it can't be easily copied by every community, but there are aspects of what we've done that can be copied anywhere in the country." "Many communities, over many decades, have tried to ameliorate the persistent problem of friction between minority communities, particularly African American communities, and the police, with little success," Green wrote. "This report documents what went right, what went wrong and what is still to be accomplished. We hope it will serve as a resource for other communities that face the complex challenge of producing healthy and productive police-community relationships and effective public safety."
January 8, 200916 yr Cincinnati's murder rate is that of a dying city. At 23 per 100k, that's not good at all.
January 8, 200916 yr Cincinnati's murder rate is that of a dying city. At 23 per 100k, that's not good at all. Or of a city growing in population.
January 8, 200916 yr I'm awaiting the statistics for 2005's part 1 crime totals. Also note that 2008 part 1 crime totals do not include the month of December. The purple bars indicate the years that the Cincinnati Initiative to Reduce Violence (CIRV) has been in effect. The CIRV isn't designed to have immediate impacts, so continued trends should be interesting to follow once the program has time to make a difference.
January 8, 200916 yr If December has the same number of crimes as the first 11 months, which it won't because december is usually a low crime month, the yearly total will be 24,708
January 8, 200916 yr Crime is about to go up nearly everywhere with the pressure on the local budgets. I'm guessing a new peak in three or four years with it increasingly pressing on middle class areas (though the more hard hit exurbs could be hit hard as drug folks use the emptiness as a cover for illicit activity.) This will be a national rise rather than a local issue.
January 8, 200916 yr The city grew because of our good Mayor and his study. We're in a recession and homicide has not leveled off the way general crime has appeared to. My money is on crime rising in 2009.
January 8, 200916 yr We're in a recession and homicide has not leveled off the way general crime has appeared to. My money is on crime rising in 2009. I would say that homicides are much more difficult to control/manage as they are either plotted or are crimes of passion. The end of the year spike illustrated both of those things. Part 1 crimes in general though I would think is a better indicator of overall public safety as they include crimes that are controllable through public policy and action.
January 9, 200916 yr My sense is that the aging of the crack generation is going to keep murders high for awhile, though street safety for those outside that community may not see much difference. Property oriented street crime does usually increase during troubled economic times.
January 9, 200916 yr I say it will follow the national unemployment rate and ALL cities in the US will experience this. I'm generally an optimistic type but, there are many people who have lost everything. When you have nothing else to loose, you then start to loose your rationale. Mix that in with the crackheads already running around throughout this country. No Good!!! We'll see!
February 11, 200916 yr Mallory to be honored http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090211/NEWS01/302110020/1055/NEWS The International Association of Chiefs of Police and Motorola will honor Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory today for his efforts to try to reduce violence in the city.
February 25, 200916 yr We have been seeing disturbing gang trends in Northside, College Hill, and many other neighborhoods but this one takes the cake!!! These kids are committing racists attacks in one of Cincy's neighborhoods where community involvement may be second to none! Not a good move on their part!! These ages are extremely disturbing and I feel these kids parents or guardians should also be held accountable. On a positive note though, props to the Cincy police on this bust and previous ones (Northside). They have been making their presence known that they aren't going to tolerate this. Cops Warn Residents in Westwood About Gang Last Update: 9:35 am http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Cops-Warn-Residents-in-Westwood-About-Gang/bsX-SXQ_3EOq-wNq0VOk_A.cspx Video link Officers in Westwood are keeping close tabs on a young and dangerous street gang. Cincinnati Police are telling members of a Westside Community Group that the young teens appear to be targeting only white people. Officers say the teens told them that white people will call the police when they are attacked but they believe African-Americans might return with their friends and retaliate.
February 25, 200916 yr I assume they will all be charged with hate-crimes, right??? That way they get a few extra years tacked onto their sentances, and it will also hopefully show the motive is cause for trying them as adults. "2927.12 Ethnic intimidation. (A) No person shall violate section 2903.21, 2903.22, 2909.06, or 2909.07, or division (A)(3), (4), or (5) of section 2917.21 of the Revised Code by reason of the race, color, religion, or national origin of another person or group of persons. (B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of ethnic intimidation. Ethnic intimidation is an offense of the next higher degree than the offense the commission of which is a necessary element of ethnic intimidation." Also, thank goodness for this: An elderly man scared the gang off by revealing his concealed weapon, which he was licensed to carry. I really need to take the class and get my license soon.
February 26, 200916 yr ^I understand the want to tack extra time on to these kids sentences, but we also have to realize that these are KIDS. I am taking a gang class right now, and in Los Angeles there are extreme penalties added to sentences if a crime is committed with ties to a gang, however gang membership has not really been affected by these meassures. All adding time to their sentences does is ruin a kids life, institutionalize them in the system, and put a small band aid on the problem. I firmly believe that if you do a crime, you must pay for it and you have to serve your time, but I don't think that just puting away 12 year old kids until they are 50 is the answer. We need better services for these kids so that they have a place to hang out other than the street. We need an education system that values these kids and doesn't just write them off as lost causes, and we need job placement for poor communities. A lot of these kids probably have terrible role models, and to expect a 12 year old to grow up in an environment his or her whole life, only seeing abuse, neglect, and poverty, to be problem free and focused on school is just not realistic. Police more, police better, and practice community policing, but also look at root causes.
February 26, 200916 yr I assume they will all be charged with hate-crimes, right??? That way they get a few extra years tacked onto their sentances, and it will also hopefully show the motive is cause for trying them as adults. "2927.12 Ethnic intimidation. (A) No person shall violate section 2903.21, 2903.22, 2909.06, or 2909.07, or division (A)(3), (4), or (5) of section 2917.21 of the Revised Code by reason of the race, color, religion, or national origin of another person or group of persons. (B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of ethnic intimidation. Ethnic intimidation is an offense of the next higher degree than the offense the commission of which is a necessary element of ethnic intimidation." Also, thank goodness for this: An elderly man scared the gang off by revealing his concealed weapon, which he was licensed to carry. I really need to take the class and get my license soon. More guns = more violence.
February 26, 200916 yr I am taking a gang class right now, and in Los Angeles there are extreme penalties added to sentences if a crime is committed with ties to a gang, however gang membership has not really been affected by these meassures. All adding time to their sentences does is ruin a kids life, institutionalize them in the system, and put a small band aid on the problem. The Los Angeles approach seems to be the case study in how not to address the gang situation, and is probably making the problem much worse. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/us/13gang.html?ref=us
February 26, 200916 yr Police concerned about increased gang activity in North College Hill http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=9901966 Posted: Feb 25, 2009 08:07 AM EST Updated: Feb 25, 2009 08:07 AM EST By Brad Underwood - bio | email NORTH COLLEGE HILL, OH (FOX19) - There's been a rise in gang activity in North College Hill. Police in that close-knit neighborhood say they've singled out a group that claims to be affiliated with The Bloods, a Los Angeles street gang founded in the early 1970's. North College Hill Police say they first saw the rise in numbers two years ago. Now, they're called out more often, and they're seeing more graffiti, all courtesy of the Insane Blood Piru gang.
February 26, 200916 yr More guns = more violence. I know that's a popular opinion and all, but this case was precisely the opposite. It was exactly what the concealed carry law was put in place to do. There's a book titled "More Guns, Less Crime" that is an interesting read. ^I understand the want to tack extra time on to these kids sentences, but we also have to realize that these are KIDS. I am taking a gang class right now, and in Los Angeles there are extreme penalties added to sentences if a crime is committed with ties to a gang, however gang membership has not really been affected by these meassures. All adding time to their sentences does is ruin a kids life, institutionalize them in the system, and put a small band aid on the problem. I firmly believe that if you do a crime, you must pay for it and you have to serve your time, but I don't think that just puting away 12 year old kids until they are 50 is the answer. We need better services for these kids so that they have a place to hang out other than the street. We need an education system that values these kids and doesn't just write them off as lost causes, and we need job placement for poor communities. A lot of these kids probably have terrible role models, and to expect a 12 year old to grow up in an environment his or her whole life, only seeing abuse, neglect, and poverty, to be problem free and focused on school is just not realistic. Police more, police better, and practice community policing, but also look at root causes. I wasn't asking for more time because of the gang involvement (LA style), but because race was the motive. If they're old enough to know to target white people because white people are less likely to shoot back, they're old enough to be sent away for awhile. I believe the cutoff for trying children as adults is 14, and I think anyone involved here that age or above should be tried as an adult. The rest, if found guilty, should grow up in Juvenile Detention, which will be able to provide a much better atmosphere than any of their parents ever would.
February 26, 200916 yr More guns = more violence. All a matter of opinion. 90% of the time narcotics are involved in that perceived equation as well. I would have to agree with Ram23 about needing to get my own C&C and that this Westwood incident involving C&C worked out in the favor of the community. The way it was intended!
February 26, 200916 yr You can't shoot somebody unless you have a gun. I'll take my chances with a gang member who has their fists and/or a knife, over one with a gun any day. I'll do the same when it comes to somebody who feels the urge to defend themselves in an uncontrolled situation. It is much easier for the brain to allow you to pull a trigger of a gun, than it is to repeatedly stab someone, choke them out, or beat them without mercy.
February 26, 200916 yr At that age, this is all about a failure of parenting first and second a scary weakness within their broader community. We used to have these problems all the time within the CRC during the 90s, so it isn't new, it just happened to catch the attention of the adults.
February 27, 200916 yr I wasn't asking for more time because of the gang involvement (LA style), but because race was the motive. If they're old enough to know to target white people because white people are less likely to shoot back, they're old enough to be sent away for awhile. I believe the cutoff for trying children as adults is 14, and I think anyone involved here that age or above should be tried as an adult. The rest, if found guilty, should grow up in Juvenile Detention, which will be able to provide a much better atmosphere than any of their parents ever would. I think you need to read up on the Juvenile Detention system. Locking people up is not always the answer, especially when talking about children. So if they grow up in Juvie, they get out at 18 with no skills, no education, and very limited interaction with the real world. Yeah, they're going to be really productive and law abiding citizens... :roll:
February 27, 200916 yr Most turn out not to be productive, law abiding citizens anyways. I guess it depends on your definition of most, but the aggressive LA approach toward juveniles whose involvement in gangs is likely to be ephemeral, drives these kids into gangs when they otherwise would mature to be productive, law abiding citizens.
February 27, 200916 yr Personally, the murder rate does not concern me at this point as it seems to be stabilizing in the 60's and 70's range for Cincinnati, although the 50's would be ideal. As the FBI points out each year it is difficult to compare cities as some have annexed outward while others have kept their small, original boundaries, among other factors. For example, if Cincinnati followed the model of other regional cities and suddenly incorporated Hamilton County it would be one of the safest cities. There is obviously work to be done, and lessons to be learned from other cities, but I do not think there is any reason for panic. Here is the most recent FBI data from 2007 (it is released in September) on the top 20 murder rates per 100,000. Where the numbers are the same I assume the order is based on the decimal value. For some reason data was not available on New Orleans and Kansas City, and what sticks out to me is how much higher the rates are in the top few cities. If you look at the entire list online you'll see that Cincinnati, while ranked 13th, is much closer to the city ranked 50th than the city ranked 1st: Detroit 46 Baltimore 45 St. Louis 40 Newark 37 Washington 31 Oakland 30 Philadelphia 27 Atlanta 26 Buffalo 20 Cleveland 20 Miami 19 Memphis 19 Cincinnati 19 Milwaukee 18 Pittsburgh 17 Houston 16 Dallas 16 Chicago 16 Jacksonville 15 Mobile 15
February 27, 200916 yr For some reason data was not available on New Orleans and Kansas City... It's my understanding that New Orleans doesn't release their crime data to the public - probably for good reason as I would expect it to be near the top of this list (if not #1).
February 27, 200916 yr C-Dawg, I would've expected more from you ... but I guess you did write this at 4 am. It is almost impossible to compare crime rates between cities, because you have things like city boundaries and cities not reporting stats, both of which that would effect rankings.
February 27, 200916 yr ^What's impossible is comparing a rich city to a poor city. If you compare cities with similar unemployment rates, etc., than it's apples to apples. Quit blaming Cincinnati's lack of annexation. Can you post anything that I've said, where I'm showing any type of "blame?" All I said is that it's impossible to compare any crime rates due to city boundaries AND some cities not even reporting crime stats ... the reason I stated this, is because you put up a list.
February 27, 200916 yr Memphis is really the exception as it is also the second most dangerous metro in the country - basically they have a lot of crime throughout the region. Cincinnati has seen an increase in the murder rate, but was not even in the top 25 of the most dangerous city rankings in 2008. Stating facts is not really laying blame, and to think that annexing suburbs would not decrease crime rate does not make sense. We all know there is work to be done, but the picture is not as melodramatic as it is being described here. I know this has been discussed before, but if someone could draw concentric circles and analyze the data at specific intervals, that is the only way to make a valid comparison. The key with Cincinnati is that the numbers seem to be stabilizing, and hopefully with initiatives like the Boston approach we will see the numbers come down. Safest and Most Dangerous Cities of 2008[5] Safest 25 Most Dangerous 25 1 Ramapo, NY 1 New Orleans, LA 2 Mission Viejo, CA 2 Camden, NJ 3 O'Fallon, MO 3 Detroit, MI 4 Newton, MA 4 St. Louis, MO 5 Brick Township, NJ 5 Oakland, CA 6 Clarkstown, NY 6 Flint, MI 7 Amherst, NY 7 Gary, IN 8 Greece, NY 8 Birmingham, AL 9 Allen, TX 9 Richmond, CA 10 Colonie, NY 10 North Charleston, SC 11 Irvine, CA 11 Cleveland, OH 12 Lake Forest, CA 12 Baltimore, MD 13 Chino Hills, CA 13 Miami Gardens, FL 14 Toms River Township, NJ 14 Memphis, TN 15 Cary, NC 15 Youngstown, OH 16 Frisco, TX 16 Atlanta, GA 17 Sugar Land, TX 17 Compton, CA 18 Thousand Oaks, CA 18 Orlando, FL 19 Round Rock, TX 19 Little Rock, AR 20 Orem, UT 20 Minneapolis, MN 21 Troy, MI 21 Washington, DC 22 Missouri City, TX 22 Philadelphia, PA 23 Gilbert, AZ 23 Jackson, MS 24 Edison Township, NJ 24 Newark, NJ 25 Cranston, RI 25 Milwaukee, WI
February 27, 200916 yr Memphis is really the exception as it is also the second most dangerous metro in the country - basically they have a lot of crime throughout the region. Cincinnati has seen an increase in the murder rate, but was not even in the top 25 of the most dangerous city rankings in 2008. Stating facts is not really laying blame, and to think that annexing suburbs would not decrease crime rate does not make sense. Right ... I don't see what's so hard to understand here?
February 27, 200916 yr Memphis is really the exception as it is also the second most dangerous metro in the country - basically they have a lot of crime throughout the region. Cincinnati has seen an increase in the murder rate, but was not even in the top 25 of the most dangerous city rankings in 2008. Stating facts is not really laying blame, and to think that annexing suburbs would not decrease crime rate does not make sense. Right ... I don't see what's so hard to understand here? I have no idea.....
February 27, 200916 yr Those "most dangerous cities" lists are not a good way to measure cities since they compile everything. A much better way to measure "danger" is probably just the murder and rape rates, those being the two worst crimes. Compare individual crime categories, not some lump sum formula devised to downplay the horror of murder. They ranked DC 21st despite the fact its murder rate is 5th in the nation. Ditto with Philly. If they weighted murder higher, Youngstown would probably be the nation's most dangerous city. That's all well and good that you think they should only include murder and rape, but those aren't the only crimes that effect the quality of living in any area. Burglary, robbery, and other similar crimes certainly effect the overall quality of life and perception just as much, if not more than murder and rape.
February 27, 200916 yr Annexing suburbs only lowers crime rates if the suburban areas have low crime rates. Which is the case 90% of the time, which is why we're bringing up this major flaw. The flaw with a "ranking list" system is that some cities may be missing ... so, it's not a "top ___ list" city anymore ... hell, no one knows where it should be.
February 27, 200916 yr Memphis is really the exception as it is also the second most dangerous metro in the country - basically they have a lot of crime throughout the region. But then how does that explain Columbus? It's one of the worst cities for rape, and has much higher rates in the city limits than in the independent suburbs. How does it explain Houston's murder rate? You do realize that Columbus has the largest university in the nation, right? Rapes, and reported rapes are much higher around college campuses.
February 27, 200916 yr And just for fun, I'll repost this... (Based off of Cincinnati Police Department Reports)
February 27, 200916 yr I actually think the number of murders were in the 30-40 range in 1999-2000. You should just consider yourself lucky that crime did not jump after the Toledo riots. And from your standpoint, I'd think you would be more concerned with Toledo's over 10% unemployment rate than Cincinnati's crime rate.
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