February 27, 200916 yr ^ I can't seem to find the data, but I seem to remember seeing 4.5 homicides per 100,000 population in 2000. Compare that to the 19-20 range since.
February 27, 200916 yr http://www.uc.edu/CCJR/Reports/CIRV_Interim_Report_2-08-08.pdf See page 24. There was a jump, but when you consider there were 57 murders in 1991 and that 28 was by far the lowest number the change is not as drastic as some sensationalists would have the public believe. There were indeed 40 murders in 2000. 1991 57 1992 50 1993 43 1994 38 1995 52 1996 32 1997 41 1998 28 1999 32 2000 40 2001 63 2002 66 2003 75 2004 68 2005 79 2006 89 2007 68
February 27, 200916 yr Yeah, just a couple of Ph.D.'s working with the city. This is actually a summary of the Cincinnati Initiative to Reduce Violence (CIRV), which was modeled after work done in Boston. It is fairly simple to figure out the rates - in 1990 the population was 360,000, in 2000 it was 331,000, and now it is 332,000. Divide the differneces by the number of years between to estimate by year. For 1991, 57 would have been a rate of 15.8 at 360,000 and 17.2 at 330,000 (in 2007 it was 19). Still not as drastic as some would like.
February 27, 200916 yr LA has low violent crime rates. Its murder rate is only 10 per 100,000 people. That's half what it is in Cincinnati. LA's rape rate is only about 25 per 100,000. Cincinnati's rape rate is close to an astounding 100 per 100,000 (even worse than notorious rape city Anchorage, Alaska). You can't compare LA to Cincinnati as they have very different levels of the most heinous crimes. Cincinnati has some of the highest murder and rape rates in the country. It's an unfortunate reality that has be dealt with in a more meaningful fashion. LA must be doing something right. Few cities with that kind of gang problem have low crime statistics like that. If the harsher penalties have had any effect in LA, it's been as a deterrent against rape and murder. LA has one of the lowest rape rates in America. Comparing LA to Ohio is like comparing Will Smith to Rob Lowe. Who would you leave your daughter with? Ohio has five of the nation's rape leaders with Cincinnati, Dayton, Cleveland, Akron, and Columbus. Ohio has four of the nation's murder leaders with Youngstown, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Dayton. These are long-standing trends that sadly don't look to be changing any time soon... Cincinnati's violent crime problems are very real, and I don't see them getting any better. Many cities in Ohio have serious rape and murder problems, and the bad economy is going to result in a reduction in policing ability. It's time for more community policing. Neighborhoods are going to have to take care of themselves. If that involves citizens going after the gangs, so be it. In the near future, there could be little choice... You're right you can't really compare LA and Cincinnati crime stats, but not for the reasons you stated. LA is almost 470 square miles, compared to Cincinnati's 77. LA has the whole San Fernando valley, which is very suburban, counted in its population, yet very high crime areas like Compton, Inglewood, and Long Beach are not in the city limits. Living in South Central LA, I can tell you that this city has crime, and lots of it. The numbers look good, but don't really tell the whole situation.
February 27, 200916 yr To show that numbers that are close to what we are seeing today have been seen before. The 50's were actually hit 3 times in the 90's. Remember I am simply pointing out the change is not as drastic as some would like. You were making ridiculous claims that the murder rate tripled. Be honest - if I did not check you on it you would be spewing the 15 murders in 2000 and use that as your baseline. Your obsession with Cincinnati really wears thin at times.
February 27, 200916 yr There are whole areas of Long Beach that are incredibly ghetto. If Compton, Inglewood, and the portions of Long Beach immediately bordering San Pedro were added to the city, it would be a whole different story. Also, crime in LA has spread very far out in the suburbs. Much of East LA (not in the city limits) is very poor and crime ridden, as is much of the Inland Empire. And of course LA should have larger boundaries, but its boundaries are pretty ridiculous. There are whole areas in the mountains that are down right rural in LA.
February 28, 200916 yr I see your point, but the fact that LA annexed the Valley and not Compton skews crime numbers. If Cincinnati annexed Anderson Township, Indian Hill, and Montgomery then of course crime stats would go down. If they annexed Lincoln Heights, Lockland, and parts of Covington, then it wouldn't be adventageous. Also, I don't think anyone is denying that there was a huge increase in violence after the riots, but it just was not as drastic as you are claiming. Murders have begun to stabalize, and crime is for the most part going down in the city. Are we at pre-riot levels yet? No, but improvement is being made.
February 28, 200916 yr I can no longer decipher when I am supposed to compare, and when the comparison does not apply. Simply speaking, run the numbers - a scatter plot might be helpful here - unfortunately trending upward but stabilizing. From a Vegas standpoint I suspect 2009 will end with 67 murders, but my outside money is on 59. Something must have been edited previously, but to clarify when I said the number reached the 50's 3 times in the 90's I was referring to 1991, 1992 and 1995. The number is triple exactly one time and that is only if the lowest and highest years are compared (1998 with 2006) - I would argue these two are outliers based on the 17 years of history in the report: 1991 57 1992 50 1993 43 1994 38 1995 52 1996 32 1997 41 1998 28 1999 32 2000 40 2001 63 2002 66 2003 75 2004 68 2005 79 2006 89 2007 68
February 28, 200916 yr I'm rather late to the game . . . but Cincinnati had spikes all through the 70s and into the 80s and then another spike around 90 and then obviously the big post-riot spike. In the 90s, Cincinnati became known as a safe-haven for folks trying escape the chaos of Chicago and to a lesser extent Detroit (more the half of the famous 15 black men shot were originally from Chicago not Cincinnati and in fact I think only one or two of those shot were actually native Cincinnatians). As they reached a critical mass, they unleashed the same social pathologies into the area that existed elsewhere. Also one can make a compelling case that Cincinnati warehoused and contained the most troubled part of the African-American community until the late 90s when they tore down most of the public housing near dt. These folks were released into the general population around the time of the riots. Unfortunately, the warehousing was built on deeply racist foundations while the release likely did few people good. I think you could also argue that the folks reaching maturity around 2000 suffered from the nadir of the Cincinnati Public School system (if you weren't able to retreat to a few of the magnet schools). I'm also not sure about the focus on rape. I actually think the safety of a city is best revealed by assaults by strangers. The fear of getting mugged is really what scares people. Rape can be made that as well, but that is quite uncommon. Outside of a few places, you are not likely to get mugged many places (catch grief yes, but physically assaulted no).
February 28, 200916 yr ^ Part of me says you are full of baloney, but upon review I think you have valuable insight as usual. On a side note, did you pass AP English as a 15 year old? Whether I agree with your opinion or not, you have a certain eloquence that says I am experienced and 50, not street-smart and 30. I have to remember to not type too late - my initial statement sounds a little harsher now but I am glad no offense was taken.
February 28, 200916 yr I can BS with the best (but I also have a good memory for this kind of detail and a 'long' history for a 31 y/o of reading the daily paper). I'm also an urban historian by trade and maybe even by profession if I ever finish my dissertation.
February 28, 200916 yr Regardless, personally I could regurgitate the quadratic equation prior to telling you that the Gangs of New York actually happened, but I appreciate your point of view.
February 28, 200916 yr I can BS with the best (but I also have a good memory for this kind of detail and a 'long' history for a 31 y/o of reading the daily paper). I'm also an urban historian by trade and maybe even by profession if I ever finish my dissertation. dmerkow, for some reason you rubbed me when you first joined, but you've become one of my favorite posters on here. ;)
February 28, 200916 yr I don't mind debating with you C-Dawg, but sometimes I feel it has the potential to be a waste of time with the way you go back and edit your post. Some of your re-editing is hours after your initial post.
March 1, 200916 yr My sense is that it is a chastened force. The combination of the blowback from the globalization riots and then the race riot really knee-capped what was traditionally a very powerful force (for good and ill). It was a don't mess with us kind of force. But they seemed to have changed quite a bit, though I don't know how much of that was getting rid of the bad apples or changing the culture.
March 2, 200916 yr Rough 24 hours! Two in broad daylight. CBD http://www.wlwt.com/news/18835788/detail.html OTR http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20090302/NEWS01/303020049/ Mt. Auburn http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090302/NEWS0107/303020023/1163
March 2, 200916 yr Rough 24 hours! Two in broad daylight. Not you with the "broad daylight!" comment ...lol You can really tell honestly how safe this city and Downtown really is when something like this happens. You would've thought that the president has been assassinated with the publicity this is getting, along with people's reactions.
March 2, 200916 yr Not you with the "broad daylight!" comment ...lol You can really tell honestly how safe this city and Downtown really is when something like this happens. You would've thought that the president has been assassinated with the publicity this is getting, along with people's reactions. I know!! I know!! It just sucks! It's enough to made me have a pissy afternoon. I mean, it shocked the hell out of me! I had to make sure they weren't getting streets and stories mixed up. It's weird how these incidents seem to happen all at once. Kinda makes it seem like we are in July until you step outside. I've always been under the impression this scum hibernates in the winter.
March 4, 200916 yr Arrest made in store owner's death By Alex Shebar • [email protected] • March 3, 2009 http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090303/NEWS01/303030094/1055/NEWS A man has been arrested for Monday’s homicide Downtown. Advertisement Cincinnati police arrested Marcus Hill, 21, in connection with the killing of Wade Nassar. He was charged with murder. Nassar, 62, was found dead in his store, Linda’s Mini Mart, in the 800 block of Elm Street, about 2:45 p.m. He died of blunt-force trauma, police said. He was stabbed multiple times, but police are not releasing what the weapon was or if it was part of a struggle
March 4, 200916 yr For some reason i think the police pushed harder to find this guy, than the 80+ murders the past year. Im sorry, but all murders should have the SAME priority.
March 4, 200916 yr Yes, considering Mr. Nassar was killed by "blunt-force trauma" via multiple stabbings I'm sure there was tons of physical evidence left behind for police to hunt this guy down. Shootings are not nearly as easy.
March 7, 200916 yr No jail, no bracelets: Go home By Kimball Perry • Cincinnati Enquirer • March 6, 2009 After violating his probation on two DUIs – for failing to take a urine test seven times – Green Township’s Michael Edison came to court Friday not knowing if he would go to jail or monitored electronically. He did neither – but not because the judge didn’t want him to.
March 7, 200916 yr And then we get: "The ones who will benefit from being sent home are the hords of blacks who continue comitting crimes. The blacks have just about bankrupted another city with their terrorism. I hope we see some vigilante justice due to this problem. You godddamn nigggers had better watch yourselves. The white man is just about fed up with your evil animal acts!!!" Wow! I can't believe someone would be that stupid.
March 7, 200916 yr Idiots aside, having no jail cells and no bracelets is a problem. As SimCity puts it we basically have a "revolving door" at our jail. I wish this problem would get solved one way or another. it's tough selling things like light rail and the streetcar when we don't have enough jails to keep criminals off the street. I've tried explaining to people that the money for these projects comes from completely different places, but they don't care or think it shouldn't matter where it comes from. It's especially hard when you tell people they need a tax increase to built the jail, because they can then loop it around and link it to the streetcar or something else they're not a fan of.
March 9, 200916 yr Police Make Arrest In Death Of Esme Kenney Suspect Had Outstanding Warrant, Is Convicted Sex Offender updated 1 hour, 19 minutes ago CINCINNATI - Cincinnati police have made an arrest in the death of a 13-year-old girl. Earlier Sunday, the family of Esme Kenney confirmed that police had found her body after a search that ran into the early morning. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29574831/
March 9, 200916 yr A follow-up to the breakup of the young Westwood gang. Police Work to Fight Recruitment of Young Gang Members Last Update: 3/06 12:23 pm http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Police-Work-to-Fight-Recruitment-of-Young-Gang/KR7CIDdpg0-zYtG6JAPPPg.cspx Police Working to Stop Young Recruitment of Gang Members Children who should be thinking about next week's spelling test are instead plotting robberies and assaults. These kid gangs have been found in at least three local neighborhoods.
March 10, 200916 yr Police Make Arrest In Death Of Esme Kenney I just heard the city council asked Gov. Strickland to immediately close the halfway house in OTR that released Kirkland. This guy should have never been out, and will hopefully see the death penalty for what he's done this time.
March 10, 200916 yr The articles are saying he had possibly killed multiple times before Esme and was released. ???????????? I don't care what your individual views are on the jail issues around this city and country for that matter, this is every citizens worse nightmare!!!! I can GUARANTEE you that somebody is sitting in a jail downtown RIGHT NOW for a pot charge. Yet this monster is who the criminal system lets out. The loss of Esme's life is a waste of such a bright future! Public Memorial Planned for Murdered Teen http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Public-Memorial-Planned-for-Murdered-Teen/SFbhkllNFUuIgA8SJLaSEg.cspx
March 10, 200916 yr Clean and Safe Program: Adopt-a-Block? Anyone have any thoughts (positive or negative) about an adopt-a-block program in the City of Cincinnati? I'm part of a committee that is trying to find ways to make the city clean/safe and this struck me as a possibility. I've listed my random thoughts about what would be included in the program scope and implementation. Keep in mind this is a rough draft of ideas that have formed over the last 18 hours and needs a lot of work. * Scope would be dense Cincinnati areas (CBD, OTR and/or community business districts) * Program intended to build ownership and pride in Cincinnati * Promote the idea to people who live, work, and/or are just interested in a particular area * Coordinate with existing programs like CPOP by increasing access and knowledge of such programs * Give people who adopt a block(s) access to a website that would allow them to report a CPOP issue (light out, garbage, junk vehicle, graffiti, etc...) or other item by clicking a Google map type of application. * Increase community involvement and understanding of residents and businesses within their block(s) * Recognition: website metrics as well as emails highlighting groups doing the most reporting and other items that improve their block "Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett
March 10, 200916 yr Between the Kenney killing and the guy who liked to have sex with corpses, the dark side of humanity is seriously bubbling up to the surface right now.
March 10, 200916 yr Clean and Safe Program: Adopt-a-Block? Anyone have any thoughts (positive or negative) about an adopt-a-block program in the City of Cincinnati? I'm part of a committee that is trying to find ways to make the city clean/safe and this struck me as a possibility. I've listed my random thoughts about what would be included in the program scope and implementation. Keep in mind this is a rough draft of ideas that have formed over the last 18 hours and needs a lot of work. * Scope would be dense Cincinnati areas (CBD, OTR and/or community business districts) * Program intended to build ownership and pride in Cincinnati * Promote the idea to people who live, work, and/or are just interested in a particular area * Coordinate with existing programs like CPOP by increasing access and knowledge of such programs * Give people who adopt a block(s) access to a website that would allow them to report a CPOP issue (light out, garbage, junk vehicle, graffiti, etc...) or other item by clicking a Google map type of application. * Increase community involvement and understanding of residents and businesses within their block(s) * Recognition: website metrics as well as emails highlighting groups doing the most reporting and other items that improve their block The University of Cincinnati Bearcat Bands has already adopted a block in Cincinnati. The block between Clifton, W. Clifton and McMillan, Calhoun. I'm not sure that we are part of any official Adopt-a-Block group, but there is one group that may be interested in this more official program.
March 10, 200916 yr Officials: Shut Down Facility That Released Girl's Killer http://www.wlwt.com/news/18900155/detail.html CINCINNATI -- City officials demanded the closure of a halfway house Tuesday after a former inmate was accused in the strangulation death of 13-year-old Esme Kenney. Anthony Kirkland remains held on $5 million bond on murder and seven other charges in connection with the Winton Wood teen's death and three other crimes over a 10-day period.
April 18, 200916 yr I feel like the murder count is racking up this year. 2 killed, 7 injured in S. Cumminsville shooting By Carrie Whitaker • [email protected] • April 18, 2009 SOUTH CUMMINSVILLE – Two men died and seven individuals were injured after a shooting occurred at Grimes Bar, 3411 Beekman St., at 1:30 a.m. Saturday. Killed were Shawn Evans, 30, and Dimetius Baylor, 35. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090418/NEWS01/304180014/1055/NEWS
April 25, 200916 yr I commend the Cincinnati Police Department for their wonderful drug busts at the notorious corner at 13th and Walnut (a long-standing problem) and for boxing me in while doing a drug bust at 13th and Spring :)
April 25, 200916 yr ^Whoa, I was mistaken! It was a shooting. It's a wonder the officer's did not kill the offender after he pointed a gun at them. Now, we have to pay for his incarceration, on top of his surgeries that he will require :( I've said it before and will say it again: Besides the Washington Park locale, 13th and Walnut ranks as one of the worst aspects of OTR south of Liberty. I have noted several drug deals go down at 13th and Walnut, and you will find a mass of people hogging the corners day and night. The UrbanSites properties up the street have all but failed, and now house drug-abusing tenants. What a shame :( Police officer shoots suspect]Police officer shoots suspect By Carrie Whitaker, Cincinnati Enquirer, April 25, 2009 DOWNTOWN – A man shot last night by a Cincinnati police officer is recovering from at least one gun shot wound at University Hospital this morning. Just before midnight three officers patrolling downtown on bicycles saw Addison Alexander, 18, near the corner of East 13th and Walnut streets. Police believed Alexander matched the description of a robbery suspect.
April 25, 200916 yr We were wondering what all the cop cars were up to last night as we enjoyed the night outside on Grammer's new biergarten (of sorts). I never heard the shots, but there were tons of cops and people.
April 26, 200916 yr Citizens On Patrol Tag Vandalism In Westwood Reported by: Adam Marshall Last Update: 4/25 2:06 am They train hard and patrol even harder, and no, we’re not talking about police. The long, voluntary hours recently paid off for the Citizens On Patrol in Westwood. 'Good guys' loiter to halt troublemakers By Sharon Coolidge • [email protected] • April 26, 2009 http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20090426/NEWS01/904270326/ WESTWOOD - Brian Lee would drive through this West Side neighborhood - Cincinnati's largest - on warm summer evenings and get angry at large groups loitering on certain corners. They were loud and rowdy, seemed to be engaged in covert drug deals, and might have been toting guns.
April 27, 200916 yr ^ While not as exciting as Hollywood portrays it ;-) , the OTR Citizens on Patrol is looking for additional members. In all honesty, it's a great way to get out and have a positive impact. Applications are due May 1 for the next training session. PM me if you have any questions or are interested in joining.
April 27, 200916 yr The whole "good-guy loitering" is a pretty neat idea. Not to mention, it helps build neighborhood unity. Great Story!
May 2, 200916 yr Cops: 'Shotgun bandit(s)' nabbed By Sharon Coolidge • [email protected] • May 1, 2009 http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090501/NEWS0107/305010028/1055/NEWS The West Side Shotgun Bandit – or rather bandits – were arrested this morning, Cincinnati police said, a tip leading them to the men accused in seven armed robberies since March 13. Neighbor Stops Burglary in West Price Hill Last Update: 5/01 1:54 pm http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Neighbor-Stops-Burglary-in-West-Price-Hill/W_W-xnBxpUyq-HEYc4ii_w.cspx Alert Neighbor Stops Burglary in West Price Hill An alert neighbor stopped a burglary in West Price Hill. She noticed a man prying open a window with a crowbar. He told her he was inspecting the home on Palos Street for moles but as Local 12's Shawn Ley found out, the woman didn't believe him.
May 5, 200916 yr This has been pretty much the talk of many of the businesses that I've been in for the past day. Very unfortunate that this occurred. Tucker's is one of my favorite hang-out spots! 'Pig' runner among three shot By Eileen Kelley, Cincinnati Enquirer, May 4, 2009 OVER-the-RHINE – Cincinnati police are searching for the person who drove down Race Street on Monday just before noon and opened fire -- shooting a gun six times and taking down three people, including a marathon runner. All three are expected to survive, Lt. Mark Briede said.
May 5, 200916 yr ^ This is really a huge shame. This makes the entire city look bad and fasly reinforces the perception that suburbanites have.
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