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Something tells me criminals, especially 20 something punk kids like those guys, don't care about sentences.  they operate under the impression, I just won't get caught- not, damn if i get caught i could go to jail for 11 years. 

 

It's "good" in the sense that stabbing someone because they didn't give you your cell phone makes these guys sound like insane animals and should be locked up, but it doesn't mean that the next drugged out violent youth is going to rethink his actions because some other guy got 11 years.

 

I don't care what they are thinking.  I want their asses off the streets.

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Thanks that was very insightful.

 

 

Back to the conversation at hand:  The letter sent to the judge by Ono said an example needed to be made that preying on UC students would get you a stern sentence.  Giving a stern sentence is fine, but I doubt any thug sees this as an example.  I doubt many of them think of the consequences of jumping someone, etc.

I understand the urge to want to make the criminals feel the pain they inflict on others. But shouldn't the ultimate goal be preventing such crimes from occurring in the first place? The American tough-on-crime style has only resulted in expensive, overcrowded prisons and horrific recidivism rates. If there were studies backing up the theory that this "scare them straight" tactic worked, I'd be all for it, but I don't think there are. And whatever emotional satisfaction we get from punishing the a-holes does not make up for failing public policy.

^ That's why adding 200 more police will not do a daymn thing. There is no space to hold more criminals. What the county needs is a bigger jail or just outsource criminals to China. ;)

 

The letter sent to the judge by Ono said an example needed to be made that preying on UC students would get you a stern sentence.  Giving a stern sentence is fine, but I doubt any thug sees this as an example.  I doubt many of them think of the consequences of jumping someone, etc.

 

I wouldn't be too sure. We're all guessing here, but the first thought through my mind when I read that story was that he used a knife, and not a gun, because of the potential for mandatory sentencing for aggravated assault with a firearm. If that were true, then it indicates criminals do, in fact, think about sentencing.

 

More broadly, if criminals didn't respond at all to sentencing guidelines, why would we have things like mandatory sentencing for crimes committed with firearms, which are clearly meant to discourage certain behaviors. Again, we're all guessing here, but those sorts of sentencing guidelines are developed with input by people who aren't - judges, cops, and people who study criminal behaviors.

When I was a kid & hanging around with kids into shoplifting, we were very aware that any punishment we might get would be less for us as minors than as adults.

Comments on that article are typically out-of-control, with terms like "animal" thrown around as thinly veiled racism.

 

The worst comment on the thread was somebody from Ohio University talking about how much more violent UC is.  That's absolutely false.  Hundreds of fights at bars and parties break out every year at OU.  I knew a guy who was cornered and beaten up by Frat pledges in the Athens parking garage, directly across the street from the police station. 

 

That fact is white people are very guilty of perceiving black-on-white street crime as something much more severe than the exact same crime perpetrated by whites.  I've been jumped four times by black teenagers near UC but was jumped more times than that at my all-white Catholic grade school.  I can also say with some authority that the skinny black kids who are perpetrating these street crimes are typically not as strong or as skilled fighters as are the jock-types who go around pounding younger kids in the Catholic schools. 

 

Further, we're not treating the root cause of this criminal behavior by throwing guys in jail for 10 years.  We can reduce this problem to only the truly mentally unstable by building a society where unskilled and semi-skilled workers are able to earn a secure living that eliminates the financial anxiety that motivates criminal activity.  Other countries have virtually zero street crime because they have succeeded in virtually eliminating poverty. 

 

^Spot on.  White kids beat up someone at school, they are bullies.  Black kids beat up someone at school, they are thugs.  A bunch of frat boys fight and it is called a rumble.  A bunch of black guys fight and it is called a riot or gang warfare.

 

And being from a neighborhood in which I think I might have been the only kid who wasn't black or catholic, I really follow your line of thought there.  Those catholic kids (especially the ones who grew up in large families with lots of brothers) are a scrappy bunch.

Stolen from a Westwood home

 

2000 blue Fender Stratocaster

Eastman mandolin with red finish

1949 National 1088 Triplex Lap steel guitar

1985 Kentucky KM-1000 mandolin

2005 Martin OOO-M acoustic guitar

2009 Douglas bass guitar

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20140102/NEWS/301020098/Thieves-steal-mandolins-guitars-from-local-musician?fb_action_ids=10202926128501114&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=artrectop&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B212041358983824%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.recommends%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22artrectop%22%5D&nclick_check=1

 

You can have my TV, computer, stereo, coffee maker - but you take my musical instruments you can expect to die - after I go medieval on ya.

And this guy makes his living with 'em...

What percentage of violent crime is "random" again? 2%?

So he wants more homicides?

  • 4 weeks later...

11 people dead so far this year. wow I remember when the city was around 24 for the whole year. That was 20 years ago. Ohio needs a 3 strike law.

 

 

  • 2 weeks later...

Kinda odd there has been no murders the past couple of weeks after Cranley announced he would hire more police. Guess what? They are not hired yet.  What was the police doing before eating donuts????

  • 2 weeks later...

Saw there was a man shot 14 times in OTR (1600 block of Hamer) last night.  (Must have been overnight.) He will survive. 

 

I found out about this because my mom texted me about it from suburban Columbus.  She asked if it was near me (she had recently been to visit). 

I think we might have a suspect for the UC crime problem.

Appears to be an escapee from the biology dept. ...

  • 3 weeks later...

FYI, there have been a lot of car break-ins the past couple months around Sycamore and 14th in OTR/Pendleton.

 

Me, my roommate, and another friend have all had our windows smashed in with nothing visible. Glove compartment was sorted through and nothing of value taken. I'd recommend parking in another area and be sure nothing of value is in the car.

 

And file a report over the phone at 513-352-2960  :police:

Same in Northside - someone recorded a video of quite a few cars in a row being broken into.

The "have nothing visible in the car" thing doesn't matter at all.  I haven't had my car broken into since 2008 and I've had change, clothes, whatever visible from outside almost every single day.  That's 6 years of parking on the street without a break-in. 

I had two friends w/ their bikes parked within 10 feet of each other. One was locked, one wasn't. The locked one got stolen. I guess locking bikes is pointless?

The "have nothing visible in the car" thing doesn't matter at all.  I haven't had my car broken into since 2008 and I've had change, clothes, whatever visible from outside almost every single day.  That's 6 years of parking on the street without a break-in.

 

It does matter. It doesn't guarantee it won't be broken into, though.

 

I've never had my car broken into before today so that's 6 years of parking on the street for me, too.

One of the best ways to avoid car break-ins is to retain the factory stereo. I'm lucky that in most ways the things I like aren't popular with criminals. I see people whose tastes are the same as criminals get stuff stolen constantly.

Eh, I had my factory stereo in my old RAV4 stolen in Dayton a few years ago.

Wow

I'm lucky that in most ways the things I like aren't popular with criminals. I see people whose tastes are the same as criminals get stuff stolen constantly.

Someone stole CDs out of a friends car once. She was a big Edith Piaf fan. She found the discarded CDs about half a block away.

^ Now, if there were any "Ute Lemper" CD's amongst them, I'd really be upset--after all, "The Case Continues..."  :wink:

Do people still steal car stereos?  I thought the secondary market on those was nearly dead.  I'd think that most people who break into cars thesedays are looking for ipads, ipods, laptops, cell phones, etc.

 

I had two friends w/ their bikes parked within 10 feet of each other. One was locked, one wasn't. The locked one got stolen. I guess locking bikes is pointless?

 

That depends on what type of lock you use.  An 8mm threaded wire chain can be cut fairly easy with a pair of snips and could be done rather quickly without raising any suspicion.  A U-lock would require much more effort.  I don't have anywhere good to mount a U-lock on my bike given my other add-ons, so I use a kevlar lock, which I consider to be better than the threaded wire.  At the same thickness it is more difficult to cut.

 

One mistake I saw somebody do was put the U-lock around the wheel and not the frame..... at least that is what I assume happened because all that was left that I saw was the U-lock and the wheel (which had one of those quick release latches on it).

Wow

 

 

The best way to avoid getting your nice stuff stolen is to not own nice stuff.  Remember, these clowns can't smash & grab your IRA. 

Yeah, it takes somebody in a suit and tie to do that!

^ Now, if there were any "Ute Lemper" CD's amongst them, I'd really be upset--after all, "The Case Continues..."  :wink:

 

People who break into Trabants want them.

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Cincinnati wants to crack down on prostitution. One of the things council members want to do is publish the names of convicted customers. No idea if the local media wants to publish the info.

The thing is, these guys are doing what they are doing so can you really shame them?

I'd go with regulated legalization but I don't know if a city can do that. Is it a state issue?

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/05/07/citys-proposed-john-crackdown-getting-buzz/8802689/

Cincinnati's CompStat crime statistics are in the following link.

 

http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/linkservid/6D6109F8-B712-4B5A-B8E43F449797638D/showMeta/0/

 

Homicides are up quite a bit, however if you've been following them you know it's been almost entirely a very small subset of people involved in these shootings. Nearly all are people with criminal backgrounds. And I think 90% have been African American. It's crazy and tragic, but it's gonna take a long time to break that cycle of urban black on black violence.

 

Rape is up slightly but there are debates as to whether it's that women are feeling more empowered to report rapes than in the past, as compared with an actual increase in rape. Either way, that's the second low point on the overall city report.

 

After those two, most other violent crime and property crime categories are down double digits compared to the 3 year average. That all with no recruit class since 2008 and quite a bit less officers than just 2-3 years ago. (City estimates 30-40 retire a year)

 

In district 1 nearly every crime is down significantly compared to the 3 year average.

 

Central business section has had a horrible 2014 compared to 2013 for property crimes, but is still below the 3 year average.

Total violent down 13% from last year, total property down 2% from last year.  Those are good signs.

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Although it doen't sound all that new to me...

 

Police try new way to make Cincinnati's streets safer

Six months ago, Cincinnati Police Chief Jeffrey Blackwell began a little experiment. He assigned two officers to walk a beat in Over-the-Rhine, focused on the bustling Gateway Quarter on Vine Street, and he gave them three objectives: Get to know everyone; make life better for area residents, businesses and visitors; and above all, stop the growing number of street robberies frightening people away from one of the city's economic engines.

 

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/20/police-try-quality-life-patrols/9361481/

It sounds like cops don't like to do it. Which is messed up. Hire cops that want to do this, it is a key part of the job.

"Growing number of street robberies..." Nope. It's down 4% from 2013 (YTD) and down 38% from the three year average. Fear mongering.

So what about that UC student who disappeared?  Crazy story.  Up at OSU they had a grad student completely disappear back in 2006 or 2007.  They had footage of him walking in but not walking out and the bar had no back door because it was on the second floor. 

 

Unfortunately a lot of these security systems you see that have 25 cameras pointed in every direction delete their data automatically after 24 hours.  So since people usually aren't reported missing within 24 hours some of that footage from area businesses had certainly been deleted. 

^ As horrific as this story is, let's not condemn all of CUF until other details are known.  No one's more concerned than all of Cincinnati--exactly what happened to this 21-yr. old student?!

So what about that UC student who disappeared?  Crazy story.  Up at OSU they had a grad student completely disappear back in 2006 or 2007.  They had footage of him walking in but not walking out and the bar had no back door because it was on the second floor. 

 

Unfortunately a lot of these security systems you see that have 25 cameras pointed in every direction delete their data automatically after 24 hours.  So since people usually aren't reported missing within 24 hours some of that footage from area businesses had certainly been deleted. 

 

Ours goes 2 weeks but we only have the 8 camera system. A 16 camera system would go half as long with the same size hard drive (1TB). But if you're running a bar you want a monster system.

The way the police/media are reporting on the Dulle kid is really bugging me. They report he disappeared between Mac's Pizza and his apartment but don't giv the address of the apartment - so he disappeared between the pizza place and the rest of the world.

They have security footage of him that shows what he was wearing but they don't release a still, they just give a vague description. A blue shirt?

They report the last position of his phone was Avondale but nobody even releases what intersection it was near.

I don't get it.

The way the police/media are reporting on the Dulle kid is really bugging me. They report he disappeared between Mac's Pizza and his apartment but don't giv the address of the apartment - so he disappeared between the pizza place and the rest of the world.

They have security footage of him that shows what he was wearing but they don't release a still, they just give a vague description. A blue shirt?

They report the last position of his phone was Avondale but nobody even releases what intersection it was near.

I don't get it.

 

Yeah it doesn't add up at all.  And I don't understand why we were told earlier last week that the cell phone ping in Avondale was somehow irrelevant to the case. 

 

Rumor is that they found his body in the vacant property next to his apartment and his death was self-inflicted.

Rumor is that they found his body in the vacant property next to his apartment and his death was self-inflicted.

 

Um, not a good rumor to be spreading. 

Um, well it's coming from news stations now so yeah.

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