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I believe I heard homicides in Cincinnati have already surpassed 2009 numbers which were higher than the 2008 totals.  Is this correct or am I thinking of something else?

Shooting inside Tucker's restaurant. One of the owners and a customer were shot.

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110118/NEWS010701/301180019/Shooting-at-Tucker-s-Restaurant

Honestly there was a shooting and killing in Mariemont,  however it seems that's being pushed under the rug.

I can understand why though, a husband killing his estranged wife is one thing, two guys walking into a restaurant in broad daylight, wearing masks, and lighting the place up is another.  One makes for a good Lifetime movie, and one makes for a good newspaper headline.

^ Agreed. And this incident also has the bite of innocent bystanders getting shot. It plays like music to the ears of those needing confirmation of their choice to live in West Masonchester. Which, of course, is the Enquirer's raison d'etre.

A murder is much more serious than a shooting where no one was killed.

^A personal conflict is much different than an outburst of gun fire in a public place.  Come on...you know that.

Honestly there was a shooting and killing in Mariemont, however it seems that's being pushed under the rug.

 

It was pretty much front page on enquirer.com

Honestly there was a shooting and killing in Mariemont, however it seems that's being pushed under the rug.

 

Idk, I think I would have to disagree about it being swept under the rug. I usually watch News5 daily and the Mariemont shooting was "breaking news." They also dwelled on how the incident has "stunned the residents in the quiet town of Mariemont" and how an incident like that hasn't happened there in about ten years.

 

While watching it, I was thinking to myself that an occurence like this is nothing extraordinary in the city, but since it's Mariemont they have to exaggerate the extent of it. It's not like it was a robbery or home invasion (which seems to be happening frequently lately), it was a personal conflict.

Did you read the comments on both stories?

It's pretty sad that people haven't figured out that shit happens everywhere.  Those who are "shocked" or "surprised" when bad things happen in their supposedly idyllic neighborhood really are naive. 

Did you read the comments on both stories?

 

Naw....

A murder is much more serious than a shooting where no one was killed.

 

The young lady who was shot is going to be paralyzed, according the cops.

 

You cannot compare a domestic situation with an public spray of bullets in a popular restaurant.  They are both horrible in their own ways.

Shooting inside Tucker's restaurant. One of the owners and a customer were shot.

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110118/NEWS010701/301180019/Shooting-at-Tucker-s-Restaurant

 

 

Arrest in Tucker's shooting

By Eileen Kelley • [email protected] • February 1, 2011

 

 

A 21-year-old man accused of storming into Tucker's Restaurant on Vine Street two weeks ago and firing shots that struck two people has been arrested.

 

Najee Jones, of 80 W. McMicken Street in Over-the-Rhine appeared in court Tuesday on two charges of felonious assault and numerous other charges stemming from his Monday arrest.

 

Court records say he was in possession of crack cocaine and a .22 caliber handgun when he was arrested Monday.

 

Jones appeared before Municipal Court Judge Melissa Powers at the Hamilton County Justice Center on Tuesday. Four people were waiting in the first row of benches behind the bulletproof glass for him to be arraigned.

 

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Arrest made in Northside bar shooting (Club 360).

The victim was the owner's brother. I am not surprised at her reaction that seems to be just walking away from the place.

http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20110315/NEWS01/303150026/Arrest-made-fatal-Northside-shooting?odyssey=mod_sectionstories

 

It was a shady bar to begin with, and there were fights that spilled out onto the sidewalk every weekend. The general reaction to the closing is "about time" and the liquor license renewal was being fought against by nearly all sides. How they received their initial license is a bit of a mystery.

I remember hearing there was opposition but I didn't know where it was at the time. The location has been a bar since about the beginning of time, I think.

It was a shady bar to begin with, and there were fights that spilled out onto the sidewalk every weekend. The general reaction to the closing is "about time" and the liquor license renewal was being fought against by nearly all sides. How they received their initial license is a bit of a mystery.

 

From my experience with Elm Mart's liquor license application (8th and Elm), it is nearly impossible to fight the issuance of a liquor license.  As long as the owner and workers have no criminal record, they are almost guaranteed a license.  It matters very little if everyone in a community is against the issuance.  In my opinion, the laws regulating the issuance of liquor licenses need to be changed to give community input more weight in deciding to issue a license.

I remember hearing there was opposition but I didn't know where it was at the time. The location has been a bar since about the beginning of time, I think.

 

It was a lesbian bar before it was Club 360, which operated without incident. Most of the people who went to Club 360 were not from Northside, and there was an awful clientele list.

Enquirer posted murder rates for 2011.

 

Highlights:

 

66 homicides, down 6 from last year. (does not include officer involved homicides)

 

Two deadliest neighborhoods were OTR & Avondale with 11 homicides each.

 

Arrests have been made in 30 of the homicides.

 

For 2011 64 victims were black, 2 were white.

 

The city’s modern homicide record was 89 in 2006. The lowest in the past decade: 58 in 2002.

 

Full Article:

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20111230/NEWS0107/312300094/

How "ironic" that The Enquirer placed this little ditty bag of homicide-information on only the first page of the local news, yet splattered the police killing of a black man w/BB-gun all over the front page?  Very strange, hum?  :wink:

Besides the fact that the murder rate hasn't really gone down in a decade - only fluctuates, the more troubling figure is that 64 out of 66 homicide victims were black, and that 35 out of 36 people arrested for the homicides were black. At least Smitherman said that there was "no excuse" for it, given his previous rants about the subject that bordered on reverse racism.

It's pretty shocking- Cincinnati is probably one of the safest mid-sized cities for white people (with regards to homicide), and yet is very dangerous for african americans.  More than just homicide, I'd love to see if there was a change in shootings as well.

There i has been alot of murders in rural counties committed by whites. Why don't they put those number in there? They act like Cincinnati is the only dangerous place.

and black people need to register to vote and turn out at the ballot box for the candidates who will work on getting more city contracts for black businesses.

 

“The economic exclusion is so acute in this town,” he said. “You have to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody to get a job.”

 

Black-owned businesses like...um...his family's business?

 

http://www.jostinconstruction.com/History.asp

 

 

Jostin is probably the only black-owned concrete company in the area, meaning they get part of the business on pretty much every government project. 

 

 

Because this is the largest city in southwest Ohio, and the murder rate outside of the major cities is pretty much insignificant.

 

66 murders in Cincinnati for 2011 alone. Let's see what... Adams County has from 2003 to 2008... 7 murders, and it is 98% white (not saying race is a factor, just replying to your comment).

 

I am simply fascinated by these maps: http://www.threescale.org/p/32/ (and others on the site). At least for murders, it is mostly confined to the inner cities. From 1974 to 2008, 66 of 88 counties saw their murder rates drop, and the top 5 murder rates are in... Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Lucas and Montgomery. No surprise there.

 

Cincinnati is not the only dangerous place, but per 100,000 people, its murder rate is significantly higher than Warren or Butler's. The murder rate for Cincinnati is .23 per 1,000, and the nationwide average is just .05. Rape, robbery and assault are also much higher than nationwide figures. 98% of cities in the US have a lower crime rate than Cincinnati.

and black people need to register to vote and turn out at the ballot box for the candidates who will work on getting more city contracts for black businesses.

 

“The economic exclusion is so acute in this town,” he said. “You have to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody to get a job.”

 

Black-owned businesses like...um...his family's business?

 

http://www.jostinconstruction.com/History.asp

 

 

Jostin is probably the only black-owned concrete company in the area, meaning they get part of the business on pretty much every government project. 

 

 

 

I can't resist adding fuel to the fire on this one, Jake--but has everyone seen Chris Smitherman's brother's picture in The Enquirer's recent "Christ Hospital Expansion" article?  (Yep, the two men even look alike!)

Oh yeah I saw it.  On his endless radio appearances, Chris Smitherman never brings up his family business, which obviously benefits directly from government projects -- which his family business has a lock on.  So while he's talking about minority inclusion, there's no way that company is going to budge an inch to allow any other minority business to compete.  I mean, look at Chris Smitherman's house -- he's got 5 kids yet lives in a huge North Avondale mansion.  I met someone who works at Lincoln Financial (that's where Chris is/was a "certified financial planner"), and he definitely was not making enough money to afford a $300,000+ house. 

Minority inclusion is just Chris Smitherman's (and his puppet, NAACP) way of saying that all projects, no matter how illegitimate the minority business may be, should receive the top bid. If this was ODOT, or other state agencies, the bid would default to the lowest bidder, which saves the respective agency money. In Cincinnati, we are bullied by so-called minority inclusion, which all but means black business inclusion, since Cincinnati is over 50% black.

Per the map Mr Cahal posted, I think it's pretty obvious heavily Democratic areas result in higher murder rates.

Anybody know how Cincinnati's homicide solving rate compares to other cities?

Anybody know how Cincinnati's homicide solving rate compares to other cities?

 

I believe it's pretty good, as the gang problem is less (certainly less organized/professional) than in many cities, leading to less of a "stop snitching" witness intimidation culture.

 

It may also help that communities are so tight (everyone knows everyone, lack of transience), so that when someone commits a major crime people in the community hear about it...then someone comes forward with the info.

 

I don't have the data to back these claims up. Anecdotally, though, I've lived in other places where murders seem to rarely be solved.

Because this is the largest city in southwest Ohio, and the murder rate outside of the major cities is pretty much insignificant.

 

66 murders in Cincinnati for 2011 alone. Let's see what... Adams County has from 2003 to 2008... 7 murders, and it is 98% white (not saying race is a factor, just replying to your comment).

 

I am simply fascinated by these maps: http://www.threescale.org/p/32/ (and others on the site). At least for murders, it is mostly confined to the inner cities. From 1974 to 2008, 66 of 88 counties saw their murder rates drop, and the top 5 murder rates are in... Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Lucas and Montgomery. No surprise there.

 

Cincinnati is not the only dangerous place, but per 100,000 people, its murder rate is significantly higher than Warren or Butler's. The murder rate for Cincinnati is .23 per 1,000, and the nationwide average is just .05. Rape, robbery and assault are also much higher than nationwide figures. 98% of cities in the US have a lower crime rate than Cincinnati.

 

Do you know of any sites that compare crime rates in a fashion that is more meaningful than on a City or County scale?  For example, crime rate by census tract.  Is the worst census tract crime rate in Cincinnati significantly higher than 98% of the worst census tract crime rates in other US cities?  If so, I might be more compelled to think there is a policy or social problem here that is deserving of attention.

 

Obviously, if we annexed portions of Butler and Warren counties, then our crime rate would go down... to no real effect.

Minority inclusion is just Chris Smitherman's (and his puppet, NAACP) way of saying that all projects, no matter how illegitimate the minority business may be, should receive the top bid. If this was ODOT, or other state agencies, the bid would default to the lowest bidder, which saves the respective agency money. In Cincinnati, we are bullied by so-called minority inclusion, which all but means black business inclusion, since Cincinnati is over 50% black.

 

It's not just Cincinnati, there's lots of other agencies that do it. My highway engineer buddies up here are always bugging our one buddy to start his own firm since he's part Native American meaning he's always have work and wound get to charge more.

Anybody know how Cincinnati's homicide solving rate compares to other cities?

 

I believe it's pretty good, as the gang problem is less (certainly less organized/professional) than in many cities, leading to less of a "stop snitching" witness intimidation culture.

 

It may also help that communities are so tight (everyone knows everyone, lack of transience), so that when someone commits a major crime people in the community hear about it...then someone comes forward with the info.

 

I don't have the data to back these claims up. Anecdotally, though, I've lived in other places where murders seem to rarely be solved.

 

Right, it always seemed to me that guys who had a beef with someone always knew where to "go looking" for him.

Because this is the largest city in southwest Ohio, and the murder rate outside of the major cities is pretty much insignificant.

 

66 murders in Cincinnati for 2011 alone. Let's see what... Adams County has from 2003 to 2008... 7 murders, and it is 98% white (not saying race is a factor, just replying to your comment).

 

I am simply fascinated by these maps: http://www.threescale.org/p/32/ (and others on the site). At least for murders, it is mostly confined to the inner cities. From 1974 to 2008, 66 of 88 counties saw their murder rates drop, and the top 5 murder rates are in... Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Lucas and Montgomery. No surprise there.

 

Cincinnati is not the only dangerous place, but per 100,000 people, its murder rate is significantly higher than Warren or Butler's. The murder rate for Cincinnati is .23 per 1,000, and the nationwide average is just .05. Rape, robbery and assault are also much higher than nationwide figures. 98% of cities in the US have a lower crime rate than Cincinnati.

 

Do you know of any sites that compare crime rates in a fashion that is more meaningful than on a City or County scale?  For example, crime rate by census tract.  Is the worst census tract crime rate in Cincinnati significantly higher than 98% of the worst census tract crime rates in other US cities?  If so, I might be more compelled to think there is a policy or social problem here that is deserving of attention.

 

Obviously, if we annexed portions of Butler and Warren counties, then our crime rate would go down... to no real effect.

 

It seems that there isn't an aggregator for that. I found specific census tract crime data for other cities, but Cincinnati seemingly does not have it available online.

 

I did use RaidsOnline, and compiled a hot map of homicides and attempted homicides for Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky.

 

 

Here is a closer map, showing homicides and attempted homicides. The "hot" spot is pretty much all north of Liberty and along the McMicken corridor. Avondale is also hotter than most.

^ Are those counts or rates?

Each dot represents a homicide. Looks like Cincinnati does not submit attempted homicide into the system. And it shows 51 records, which includes 1 in Covington and 1 outlier to the north. Not the best system (esp. since 66 is the grand total), but it gives a good visualization of where the homicides take place.

Each dot represents a homicide. Looks like Cincinnati does not submit attempted homicide into the system. And it shows 51 records, which includes 1 in Covington and 1 outlier to the north. Not the best system (esp. since 66 is the grand total), but it gives a good visualization of where the homicides take place.

Thanks!

 

Yes this is getting much closer to what we need for rational analysis of crime data, but it's still a far way off.  As implied by natininja, we need rates first of all (which is problematic itself because the right "denominator" isn't necessarily the nighttime - i.e. census - population).  Next, we should want to look at more than homicides, and we obviously need to look at ranges of time that extend longer than a single year.

 

I wish that the FBI would request standardized crime data from all communities above 10,000 people (instead of just those over 100,000 which I believe is the current cutoff), provide data entry software that would automatically geolocate crimes, and then make those data available to the public through shape files that would aggregate data to the census tract level (for anonymity).  While they were at it, why not also collect the available data on the time each crime was committed, since we all know it's less safe to be out after dark, right?

 

Then various independent groups could easily publish maps showing aggregate crime rate stats on a census tract scale, and develop more rational rankings (e.g., rankings based on the worst census tract rate, relationships between crime rates and density, etc)

 

We could then dispense with the various organizations that "analyze" crime data for us and tell us which cities are "safer" than others.

All i know is that a town in Indiana had a whole family and a neighbor killed so im sure that per capita rate is was way higher than Cincinnati's for 2011.

Anybody know how Cincinnati's homicide solving rate compares to other cities?

In answer to my question, Cincinnati is not doing too well. The national average is closer to 66% solved homicides compared to Cincinnati's 45% last year.

But some places are doing a lot worse.

 

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2010/may/24/unsolved-homicides/

 

There are links on the left for charts & databases. Nothing any good for local mapping, tho. For that, the police usually have fairly detailed monthly reports that they distribute at community council meetings. Well, in Northside at least.

Well, when you have a horde of people harassing police at every homicide in OTR, and when everyone refuses to give up any information, it's no wonder our rate is so low.

Thanks for the article, Quimbob.

 

Sherman, I agree with you. I don't think the police are completely free of blame, though. And it's not because there aren't enough of them.

Well, when you have a horde of people harassing police at every homicide in OTR, and when everyone refuses to give up any information, it's no wonder our rate is so low.

 

Poverty, caste, and the illicit trades that gradually took the position of the State as a provider of basic modern commodity, are why homicides occur, not a code of silence in the community.

 

What do you suppose the public owes the State? 

Anybody know how Cincinnati's homicide solving rate compares to other cities?

In answer to my question, Cincinnati is not doing too well. The national average is closer to 66% solved homicides compared to Cincinnati's 45% last year.

But some places are doing a lot worse.

 

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2010/may/24/unsolved-homicides/

I don't think that's a valid comparison. The 65% seems to be the ones solved before they are closed. 45% were solved of those committed last year. So presumably the unsolved cases from later in the year (at least) would still be under active investigation and some will end up as solved.

A better stat would be something like the percent of cases closed solved w/in 3 or 6 mos. Right now we should be looking at that rate for 2010. It's too early to look at that rate for 2011.