December 23, 201311 yr Something tells me criminals, especially 20 something punk kids like those guys, don't care about sentences. they operate under the impression, I just won't get caught- not, damn if i get caught i could go to jail for 11 years. It's "good" in the sense that stabbing someone because they didn't give you your cell phone makes these guys sound like insane animals and should be locked up, but it doesn't mean that the next drugged out violent youth is going to rethink his actions because some other guy got 11 years. I don't care what they are thinking. I want their asses off the streets.
December 24, 201311 yr Thanks that was very insightful. Back to the conversation at hand: The letter sent to the judge by Ono said an example needed to be made that preying on UC students would get you a stern sentence. Giving a stern sentence is fine, but I doubt any thug sees this as an example. I doubt many of them think of the consequences of jumping someone, etc.
December 24, 201311 yr I understand the urge to want to make the criminals feel the pain they inflict on others. But shouldn't the ultimate goal be preventing such crimes from occurring in the first place? The American tough-on-crime style has only resulted in expensive, overcrowded prisons and horrific recidivism rates. If there were studies backing up the theory that this "scare them straight" tactic worked, I'd be all for it, but I don't think there are. And whatever emotional satisfaction we get from punishing the a-holes does not make up for failing public policy.
December 24, 201311 yr ^ That's why adding 200 more police will not do a daymn thing. There is no space to hold more criminals. What the county needs is a bigger jail or just outsource criminals to China. ;)
December 24, 201311 yr The letter sent to the judge by Ono said an example needed to be made that preying on UC students would get you a stern sentence. Giving a stern sentence is fine, but I doubt any thug sees this as an example. I doubt many of them think of the consequences of jumping someone, etc. I wouldn't be too sure. We're all guessing here, but the first thought through my mind when I read that story was that he used a knife, and not a gun, because of the potential for mandatory sentencing for aggravated assault with a firearm. If that were true, then it indicates criminals do, in fact, think about sentencing. More broadly, if criminals didn't respond at all to sentencing guidelines, why would we have things like mandatory sentencing for crimes committed with firearms, which are clearly meant to discourage certain behaviors. Again, we're all guessing here, but those sorts of sentencing guidelines are developed with input by people who aren't - judges, cops, and people who study criminal behaviors.
December 24, 201311 yr When I was a kid & hanging around with kids into shoplifting, we were very aware that any punishment we might get would be less for us as minors than as adults.
December 25, 201311 yr Comments on that article are typically out-of-control, with terms like "animal" thrown around as thinly veiled racism. The worst comment on the thread was somebody from Ohio University talking about how much more violent UC is. That's absolutely false. Hundreds of fights at bars and parties break out every year at OU. I knew a guy who was cornered and beaten up by Frat pledges in the Athens parking garage, directly across the street from the police station. That fact is white people are very guilty of perceiving black-on-white street crime as something much more severe than the exact same crime perpetrated by whites. I've been jumped four times by black teenagers near UC but was jumped more times than that at my all-white Catholic grade school. I can also say with some authority that the skinny black kids who are perpetrating these street crimes are typically not as strong or as skilled fighters as are the jock-types who go around pounding younger kids in the Catholic schools. Further, we're not treating the root cause of this criminal behavior by throwing guys in jail for 10 years. We can reduce this problem to only the truly mentally unstable by building a society where unskilled and semi-skilled workers are able to earn a secure living that eliminates the financial anxiety that motivates criminal activity. Other countries have virtually zero street crime because they have succeeded in virtually eliminating poverty.
December 26, 201311 yr ^Spot on. White kids beat up someone at school, they are bullies. Black kids beat up someone at school, they are thugs. A bunch of frat boys fight and it is called a rumble. A bunch of black guys fight and it is called a riot or gang warfare. And being from a neighborhood in which I think I might have been the only kid who wasn't black or catholic, I really follow your line of thought there. Those catholic kids (especially the ones who grew up in large families with lots of brothers) are a scrappy bunch.
January 3, 201411 yr Stolen from a Westwood home 2000 blue Fender Stratocaster Eastman mandolin with red finish 1949 National 1088 Triplex Lap steel guitar 1985 Kentucky KM-1000 mandolin 2005 Martin OOO-M acoustic guitar 2009 Douglas bass guitar http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20140102/NEWS/301020098/Thieves-steal-mandolins-guitars-from-local-musician?fb_action_ids=10202926128501114&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=artrectop&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B212041358983824%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.recommends%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22artrectop%22%5D&nclick_check=1 You can have my TV, computer, stereo, coffee maker - but you take my musical instruments you can expect to die - after I go medieval on ya. And this guy makes his living with 'em...
January 4, 201411 yr Detroit police chief, James Craig says If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them Did this guy ever endorse gun ownership in Cincinnati? http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140103/METRO01/301030038
February 2, 201411 yr 11 people dead so far this year. wow I remember when the city was around 24 for the whole year. That was 20 years ago. Ohio needs a 3 strike law.
February 3, 201411 yr City plans to add $1M for more cops now Moderator Note: Edited to include headline
February 4, 201411 yr Winburn wants to move a Cincinnati Police unit to Mount Airy http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/2014/02/03/winburn-wants-to-move-city-crime-unit-to-mt-airy/
February 14, 201411 yr Detroit police chief, James Craig says If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them Did this guy ever endorse gun ownership in Cincinnati? http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140103/METRO01/301030038 Yes he did. He even sent out a memo to the police department about open carry in Ohio being perfectly legal and a citizens right. http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=64039
February 17, 201411 yr Kinda odd there has been no murders the past couple of weeks after Cranley announced he would hire more police. Guess what? They are not hired yet. What was the police doing before eating donuts????
February 28, 201411 yr Saw there was a man shot 14 times in OTR (1600 block of Hamer) last night. (Must have been overnight.) He will survive. I found out about this because my mom texted me about it from suburban Columbus. She asked if it was near me (she had recently been to visit).
March 1, 201411 yr I think we might have a suspect for the UC crime problem. Appears to be an escapee from the biology dept. ...
March 18, 201411 yr About 10 years ago Westwood Concern enlisted The Guardian Angels. Anybody know what came of that? http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/25/loc_angels25.html
March 18, 201411 yr FYI, there have been a lot of car break-ins the past couple months around Sycamore and 14th in OTR/Pendleton. Me, my roommate, and another friend have all had our windows smashed in with nothing visible. Glove compartment was sorted through and nothing of value taken. I'd recommend parking in another area and be sure nothing of value is in the car. And file a report over the phone at 513-352-2960 :police:
March 18, 201411 yr Same in Northside - someone recorded a video of quite a few cars in a row being broken into.
March 18, 201411 yr The "have nothing visible in the car" thing doesn't matter at all. I haven't had my car broken into since 2008 and I've had change, clothes, whatever visible from outside almost every single day. That's 6 years of parking on the street without a break-in.
March 18, 201411 yr I had two friends w/ their bikes parked within 10 feet of each other. One was locked, one wasn't. The locked one got stolen. I guess locking bikes is pointless?
March 18, 201411 yr The "have nothing visible in the car" thing doesn't matter at all. I haven't had my car broken into since 2008 and I've had change, clothes, whatever visible from outside almost every single day. That's 6 years of parking on the street without a break-in. It does matter. It doesn't guarantee it won't be broken into, though. I've never had my car broken into before today so that's 6 years of parking on the street for me, too.
March 18, 201411 yr One of the best ways to avoid car break-ins is to retain the factory stereo. I'm lucky that in most ways the things I like aren't popular with criminals. I see people whose tastes are the same as criminals get stuff stolen constantly.
March 18, 201411 yr I'm lucky that in most ways the things I like aren't popular with criminals. I see people whose tastes are the same as criminals get stuff stolen constantly. Someone stole CDs out of a friends car once. She was a big Edith Piaf fan. She found the discarded CDs about half a block away.
March 18, 201411 yr ^ Now, if there were any "Ute Lemper" CD's amongst them, I'd really be upset--after all, "The Case Continues..." :wink:
March 18, 201411 yr Do people still steal car stereos? I thought the secondary market on those was nearly dead. I'd think that most people who break into cars thesedays are looking for ipads, ipods, laptops, cell phones, etc. I had two friends w/ their bikes parked within 10 feet of each other. One was locked, one wasn't. The locked one got stolen. I guess locking bikes is pointless? That depends on what type of lock you use. An 8mm threaded wire chain can be cut fairly easy with a pair of snips and could be done rather quickly without raising any suspicion. A U-lock would require much more effort. I don't have anywhere good to mount a U-lock on my bike given my other add-ons, so I use a kevlar lock, which I consider to be better than the threaded wire. At the same thickness it is more difficult to cut. One mistake I saw somebody do was put the U-lock around the wheel and not the frame..... at least that is what I assume happened because all that was left that I saw was the U-lock and the wheel (which had one of those quick release latches on it).
March 18, 201411 yr Wow The best way to avoid getting your nice stuff stolen is to not own nice stuff. Remember, these clowns can't smash & grab your IRA.
March 18, 201411 yr ^ Now, if there were any "Ute Lemper" CD's amongst them, I'd really be upset--after all, "The Case Continues..." :wink: People who break into Trabants want them.
May 7, 201411 yr Cincinnati wants to crack down on prostitution. One of the things council members want to do is publish the names of convicted customers. No idea if the local media wants to publish the info. The thing is, these guys are doing what they are doing so can you really shame them? I'd go with regulated legalization but I don't know if a city can do that. Is it a state issue? http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/05/07/citys-proposed-john-crackdown-getting-buzz/8802689/
May 7, 201411 yr They caught 5 Tuesday and all the local news sources published their names. WCPO: Cincinnati police undercover arrests on McMicken latest effort against prostitution "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
May 9, 201411 yr Cincinnati's CompStat crime statistics are in the following link. http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/linkservid/6D6109F8-B712-4B5A-B8E43F449797638D/showMeta/0/ Homicides are up quite a bit, however if you've been following them you know it's been almost entirely a very small subset of people involved in these shootings. Nearly all are people with criminal backgrounds. And I think 90% have been African American. It's crazy and tragic, but it's gonna take a long time to break that cycle of urban black on black violence. Rape is up slightly but there are debates as to whether it's that women are feeling more empowered to report rapes than in the past, as compared with an actual increase in rape. Either way, that's the second low point on the overall city report. After those two, most other violent crime and property crime categories are down double digits compared to the 3 year average. That all with no recruit class since 2008 and quite a bit less officers than just 2-3 years ago. (City estimates 30-40 retire a year) In district 1 nearly every crime is down significantly compared to the 3 year average. Central business section has had a horrible 2014 compared to 2013 for property crimes, but is still below the 3 year average.
May 9, 201411 yr Total violent down 13% from last year, total property down 2% from last year. Those are good signs.
May 21, 201411 yr Although it doen't sound all that new to me... Police try new way to make Cincinnati's streets safer Six months ago, Cincinnati Police Chief Jeffrey Blackwell began a little experiment. He assigned two officers to walk a beat in Over-the-Rhine, focused on the bustling Gateway Quarter on Vine Street, and he gave them three objectives: Get to know everyone; make life better for area residents, businesses and visitors; and above all, stop the growing number of street robberies frightening people away from one of the city's economic engines. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/20/police-try-quality-life-patrols/9361481/
May 21, 201411 yr It sounds like cops don't like to do it. Which is messed up. Hire cops that want to do this, it is a key part of the job.
May 21, 201411 yr "Growing number of street robberies..." Nope. It's down 4% from 2013 (YTD) and down 38% from the three year average. Fear mongering.
May 21, 201411 yr So what about that UC student who disappeared? Crazy story. Up at OSU they had a grad student completely disappear back in 2006 or 2007. They had footage of him walking in but not walking out and the bar had no back door because it was on the second floor. Unfortunately a lot of these security systems you see that have 25 cameras pointed in every direction delete their data automatically after 24 hours. So since people usually aren't reported missing within 24 hours some of that footage from area businesses had certainly been deleted.
May 21, 201411 yr ^ As horrific as this story is, let's not condemn all of CUF until other details are known. No one's more concerned than all of Cincinnati--exactly what happened to this 21-yr. old student?!
May 26, 201411 yr So what about that UC student who disappeared? Crazy story. Up at OSU they had a grad student completely disappear back in 2006 or 2007. They had footage of him walking in but not walking out and the bar had no back door because it was on the second floor. Unfortunately a lot of these security systems you see that have 25 cameras pointed in every direction delete their data automatically after 24 hours. So since people usually aren't reported missing within 24 hours some of that footage from area businesses had certainly been deleted. Ours goes 2 weeks but we only have the 8 camera system. A 16 camera system would go half as long with the same size hard drive (1TB). But if you're running a bar you want a monster system.
May 26, 201411 yr The way the police/media are reporting on the Dulle kid is really bugging me. They report he disappeared between Mac's Pizza and his apartment but don't giv the address of the apartment - so he disappeared between the pizza place and the rest of the world. They have security footage of him that shows what he was wearing but they don't release a still, they just give a vague description. A blue shirt? They report the last position of his phone was Avondale but nobody even releases what intersection it was near. I don't get it.
May 27, 201411 yr The way the police/media are reporting on the Dulle kid is really bugging me. They report he disappeared between Mac's Pizza and his apartment but don't giv the address of the apartment - so he disappeared between the pizza place and the rest of the world. They have security footage of him that shows what he was wearing but they don't release a still, they just give a vague description. A blue shirt? They report the last position of his phone was Avondale but nobody even releases what intersection it was near. I don't get it. Yeah it doesn't add up at all. And I don't understand why we were told earlier last week that the cell phone ping in Avondale was somehow irrelevant to the case.
May 27, 201411 yr Rumor is that they found his body in the vacant property next to his apartment and his death was self-inflicted.
May 27, 201411 yr Rumor is that they found his body in the vacant property next to his apartment and his death was self-inflicted. Um, not a good rumor to be spreading.
May 27, 201411 yr Ugh. http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/police-surround-building-near-missing-uc-student-brogan-dulles-apartment
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