so, I guess the police weren't even knocking on doors?

The building was being renovated. No one would be home and there was no reason to suspect he would be in the building based on the exterior (no broken windows, etc). It's strange how when something like this happens, people feel the need to assign blame to people for not finding him fast enough.

ok, they might have literally knocked on the door

It's been reported that the police knocked on the door, checked the exterior - but that's all they can legally do. You can't just barge into buildings.

call the building owner?

call the building owner?

Im assuming they did that. That's how they found the body.

This thread is starting to hit an Urban Ohio all-time low spreading horrible rumors and making light of a terrible situation.

call the building owner?

Im assuming they did that. That's how they found the body.

From the 'warp

"Dulle's body was found hanging in the basement of the building after a female landlord went to the property to check on it and smelled a foul odor, Blackwell said.

She spotted a male figure inside and called to report a breaking-and-entering."

Where is the damn phone?

 

Can we lock this thread and remove some of the past few posts? This is not the Daily Mail. Have some respect for the family, please.

Agreed.  (A) This is not a crime, and doesn't belong in this thread, and (B) rumor mongering about a kid's death is sick.

I'm not seeing anybody here rumor mongering. It appears WLW was and there is a seriously psychotic comment on the Enquirer.

Since there was a police investigation, crime discussion seems to be the best place for the discussion.

We don't need to repost what the WLW says on here. Or what the comments at the Enquirer are going after. This is not the forum for that, and those comments have been removed.

I can’t remember a missing persons case that garnered this much attention, yet included such little information from the police. As was pointed out, there was security footage, address information, etc. that wasn’t made public until after the body was recovered. In hindsight, it wouldn’t have changed the outcome, but that’s no excuse for withholding info. I won’t speculate further, but there were also telltale signs of depression prior to the disappearance. In my opinion, this case is just another example of how no one takes mental health seriously, and the huge stigma that society puts upon it. We tend to shame people who commit suicide, when what we should be doing is asking why as a society we aren’t better at preventing it.

This recent case got more attention from a missing person i have seen in a long long time. There is a 19 year old girl that's still missing and did not get the 1000's of volunteers and a $25,000 that this case has gotten.

 

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/colerain-township/19-year-old-woman-missing-from-colerain-township-home

I cant remember a missing persons case that garnered this much attention, yet included such little information from the police. As was pointed out, there was security footage, address information, etc. that wasnt made public until after the body was recovered. In hindsight, it wouldnt have changed the outcome, but thats no excuse for withholding info. I wont speculate further, but there were also telltale signs of depression prior to the disappearance. In my opinion, this case is just another example of how no one takes mental health seriously, and the huge stigma that society puts upon it. We tend to shame people who commit suicide, when what we should be doing is asking why as a society we arent better at preventing it.

 

The grassroots search campaign turned into a spectacle.  Yard signs, t-shirts, a blocked off street, etc.

 

I'm worried that if one more bizarre twist emerges from this we're going to have the full-on Dateline NBC special, etc. 

 

This recent case got more attention from a missing person i have seen in a long long time. There is a 19 year old girl that's still missing and did not get the 1000's of volunteers and a $25,000 that this case has gotten.

 

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/colerain-township/19-year-old-woman-missing-from-colerain-township-home

They did the same thing - gave one address & not the other - so, where to look?

 

Where is the damn phone?

 

 

How about what's on the damn phone, obviously some thing that pushed this kid to take his life.

Where is the damn phone?

 

 

How about what's on the damn phone, obviously some thing that pushed this kid to take his life.

 

The information that's been made public just plain doesn't add up.  His parents or his brother or the police are obviously hiding some details so that this story vanishes.  That's why there is so much speculation swirling.

 

Meanwhile, I re-watched a few news reports from this week on youtube.  What's so crazy about all this is that the reporters did various stand-up reports with his apartment as a backdrop -- meanwhile he was literally hanging there dead in the basement of the building just to the right, and it periodically comes into view. I mean, this is like the most cleverly written Hitchcock thing of all time. 

 

Also, I apologize for speaking up on this particular incident so much, but I was in the area right when this happened, and I didn't see anything.  In fact my car is in the surveillance footage at 2:59 (the white honda with the sun roof):

 

 

 

Now Mac's is like the Watergate Hotel.

Now Mac's is like the Watergate Hotel.

 

The plot thickens...at 40:30 some drunk staggers by with a traffic cone:

 

Teens attack downtown after Taste of Cincinnati

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/son-prosecutor-beaten-random-downtown-attack-12251.shtml

Based on some of those comments and at WCPO, this was a much larger incident that was not isolated to just one location or one individual. :(

I wonder if the attackers knew who he is. Teens are really exploiting their licenses to kill. Crime is way, way down yet it seems what crime does exist is much more likely to be the work of teens than in the past.

Doubt the idiots knew who Deters was but I bet their proud now.

WC3PO reports a lot of incidents

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/police-taste-of-cincinnati-was-general-mayhem

Teens attack downtown after Taste of Cincinnati

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/son-prosecutor-beaten-random-downtown-attack-12251.shtml

 

Talk about picking the wrong random victim to punch out on the street. Joe Deters' son? These punks are going to be found and have the book thrown at them. Hopefully they're made an example out of, not only to deter future copycat acts, but also to show visitors and suburbanites that Cincinnati is serious about safety. This kind of behavior is one of the worst things that can happen in terms of perception of downtown. It's exactly what suburbanites are afraid of.

Why on earth would a police officer refer to something as "general mayhem"?  Do they not have PR people? 

Teens attack downtown after Taste of Cincinnati

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/son-prosecutor-beaten-random-downtown-attack-12251.shtml

 

Talk about picking the wrong random victim to punch out on the street. Joe Deters' son? These punks are going to be found and have the book thrown at them. Hopefully they're made an example out of, not only to deter future copycat acts, but also to show visitors and suburbanites that Cincinnati is serious about safety. This kind of behavior is one of the worst things that can happen in terms of perception of downtown. It's exactly what suburbanites are afraid of.

 

For the second day in a row, I overheard conversation at local retaurants on the westside about these reports.  People ARE talking about this, and they ARE questioning visiting downtown.  This needs to be resolved.

I joined one of the conversations in an attempt to put it into perspective.  With over half a million visitors downtown over the weekend, the rate of incidents was probably pretty small.  More people were probably injured or killed in auto related accidents.  In the end though, we all agreed that this behavior is unacceptable, and the city and police department need to be very vocal about their willingness to end these random acts.  One lady likened it to terrorism, as she claims to be truly afraid to go downtown now.

Anybody participating in the game of knockout should be punished as an adult.

 

These kids are making us look like suckers. Half of them probably think that you aren't allowed to fight back if you are over 18. Worst part is you don't have to worry much about suburban teens since so many of them are in constant structured activity or they're staring at a screen every waking second. Whereas it's still not so much like that in the cities. Well, you do have to worry about suburban teens smashing mom's giant SUV into you.

Why on earth would a police officer refer to something as "general mayhem"?  Do they not have PR people? 

 

Yeah, what a disaster.  The media is going berserk with this, and it would be in hyperdrive if not for the continuing bizarreness of the Brogan Dulli suicide/conspiracy theories.

 

Still, people need to get out of this mindset that getting your car broken into or getting punched and having your wallet or phone stolen is a big deal.  It's not.  Say you get your glasses broken, have a filling knocked out, and have to get your bicycle repaired (that all happened to me in one incident), and the total bill is $600 (about what that event cost me).  You're going to make over $1 million in your life, and you're going to be perfectly healthy and pain-free for thousands and thousands of days, so why the hell do you care about such an insignificant expense and disruption to your life? 

Still, people need to get out of this mindset that getting your car broken into or getting punched and having your wallet or phone stolen is a big deal.  It's not.  Say you get your glasses broken, have a filling knocked out, and have to get your bicycle repaired (that all happened to me in one incident), and the total bill is $600 (about what that event cost me).  You're going to make over $1 million in your life, and you're going to be perfectly healthy and pain-free for thousands and thousands of days, so why the hell do you care about such an insignificant expense and disruption to your life?

 

Are you out of your mind?  The things you mentioned above ARE a big deal and can be significant disruptions in one's life. 

 

The vast majority of people don't want to deal with random violence and will avoid it if they can - hence the urban/suburban split.

 

The best way to deal with random violent crime is to"shrug it off"?

Why on earth would a police officer refer to something as "general mayhem"?  Do they not have PR people? 

 

Yeah, what a disaster.  The media is going berserk with this, and it would be in hyperdrive if not for the continuing bizarreness of the Brogan Dulli suicide/conspiracy theories.

 

Still, people need to get out of this mindset that getting your car broken into or getting punched and having your wallet or phone stolen is a big deal.  It's not.  Say you get your glasses broken, have a filling knocked out, and have to get your bicycle repaired (that all happened to me in one incident), and the total bill is $600 (about what that event cost me).  You're going to make over $1 million in your life, and you're going to be perfectly healthy and pain-free for thousands and thousands of days, so why the hell do you care about such an insignificant expense and disruption to your life?

 

I'm all about going downtown, spending money downtown...everything this site supports.  However, I think being punched in the face and having my stuff stolen is a big deal.  I've never had it happen to me and I never want it to.  I really don't think downplaying violence is going to make people want to come downtown...

 

Are you out of your mind?  The things you mentioned above ARE a big deal and can be significant disruptions in one's life. 

 

The vast majority of people don't want to deal with random violence and will avoid it if they can - hence the urban/suburban split.

 

The best way to deal with random violent crime is to"shrug it off"?

 

Wrote my response as you were posting yours...great mind think alike!

FWIW, it is true that one thing that the suburbanites have traded off is a much higher chance of dying in a car crash over getting punched in the face by a stranger.

Yes, but suburbanites (incorrectly) think that they have 100% control over their car and can avoid accidents.  The fear of seemingly uncontrollable things like thugs who are going to punch you is not as easy to shrug off.

Well, there is the one case of the College Hill individual being ganged upon, kicked around, being put into a coma, watching/listening as the perps get sentenced to book reports and some other miscellaneous and trivial punishments and then dying a short time later of "unrelated" causes.

 

I don't know about you, but having my car broken into twice in OTR in six months made me deter from parking on the street. Even today, I wary parking in OTR outside of the broad daylight hours and outside of the main roadways (i.e. not 14th Street), even with my car empty. I've had my radio in my old vehicle ripped out twice (one stock, the other a replacement for the stock). I've had 3 of my OTR friends (when I lived in OTR) jumped by the library, on Court Street and by 12th and Vine.

 

That makes me uneasy. And it doesn't make me shrug it off.

None of those things are good.  By the same token, I (and friends of mine) park on 14th street all the time, including overnight, and have never had any problem.  And I've never had any of my friends accosted in any way while living in OTR.  And I have friends who have their cars broken into on the street in neighborhoods like Hyde Park and allegedly "safe" suburbs.  So a lot of that may just depend on anecdotal experience. 

 

Sherman, didn't you move out of OTR several years ago to Northside?  I don't want to play the "things have changed" card too much, but even since I moved down in early 2011, things are unbelievably different than they were. 

OTR south of Liberty still has sketchy areas on side streets that people shouldn't be walking alone late at night.  There is still a lot of dark alleys and a lot of abandoned buildings where people can duck away.  14th Street down from Main Street to Washington Park is safe for the most part, but still should be with groups when out late.

OTR south of Liberty still has sketchy areas on side streets that people shouldn't be walking alone late at night.  There is still a lot of dark alleys and a lot of abandoned buildings where people can duck away.  14th Street down from Main Street to Washington Park is safe for the most part, but still should be with groups when out late.

 

In very short order the alley behind our condo in OTR is going to be capped off on the north end.  It'll be a bit more difficult to get our car out of the parking lot behind our home, but I'm hopefully optimistic that the nearly daily calls I need to make to police about drug dealing/using in the alley will decrease dramatically without easy access to the alley.  Unfortunately, dramatic things like this will need to be done in the short/mid-term to make the community safer.

Which alley is this? Goetz?

Balwin Alley at 12th Street

ah. Thanks. I could see that being a problem there. Hopefully it can be reopened someday. I hate to see alleys closed off, but I completely understand the desire for surrounding residents.

The police were absolutely insane last weekend with Taste going on.  I'm thinking they probably caused more problems than resolved.  I'm not surprised to see the police describe it as mayhem.  They were certainly acting like it.

 

I understand it's getting a little muggy out and everybody is just a little bit more wired up, but seriously....everybody needs to calm down.  (Including the police.)  There's some petty crime happening downtown like always, and there are kids wandering around punching people because they're just bored and stupid.  It's not a war zone downtown.  We all just need to relax, enjoy the city, and pay attention to our surroundings.

Did they say they just arrested 500 people a week or so ago? Did  they all let them out? I'm sure there is not space for them

I was at Taste on Sunday night and I can confirm that there was a HUGE crowd of teenagers moving en masse throughout downtown.  It was really strange and chaotic, and the crowd snaked through the streets literally taking over wherever they went by.  Three shots were fired, people were mugged, I saw multiple people getting loaded into stretchers at Walnut and Court...it was insane.  This type of shit seems to happen relatively frequently in Cincinnati, and it's quite ridiculous.

Your very last sentence is a storyline right from WLW - when I was at lunch I made the mistake of tuning in for the news and changed too soon.  Cunningham referred to the teens as domestic terrorists.  I am definitely one for creating a safe environment and addressing crime, but trying to create mass hysteria is ridiculous.  This will probably be part of their loop for a few days and is simply following their typical formula. 

 

Teens attack downtown after Taste of Cincinnati

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/son-prosecutor-beaten-random-downtown-attack-12251.shtml

 

Talk about picking the wrong random victim to punch out on the street. Joe Deters' son? These punks are going to be found and have the book thrown at them. Hopefully they're made an example out of, not only to deter future copycat acts, but also to show visitors and suburbanites that Cincinnati is serious about safety. This kind of behavior is one of the worst things that can happen in terms of perception of downtown. It's exactly what suburbanites are afraid of.

 

For the second day in a row, I overheard conversation at local retaurants on the westside about these reports.  People ARE talking about this, and they ARE questioning visiting downtown.  This needs to be resolved.

I joined one of the conversations in an attempt to put it into perspective.  With over half a million visitors downtown over the weekend, the rate of incidents was probably pretty small.  More people were probably injured or killed in auto related accidents.  In the end though, we all agreed that this behavior is unacceptable, and the city and police department need to be very vocal about their willingness to end these random acts.  One lady likened it to terrorism, as she claims to be truly afraid to go downtown now.

I was at Taste on Sunday night and I can confirm that there was a HUGE crowd of teenagers moving en masse throughout downtown.  It was really strange and chaotic, and the crowd snaked through the streets literally taking over wherever they went by.  Three shots were fired, people were mugged, I saw multiple people getting loaded into stretchers at Walnut and Court...it was insane.  This type of shit seems to happen relatively frequently in Cincinnati, and it's quite ridiculous.

 

I live at Liberty and Walnut. I watched the police herd the crowd of teenagers up Walnut St. There were two cops driving up the street the wrong direction with their lights on the crowd. I was sitting on the sidewalk in front of my apartment with my bistro set, drinking some coffee. The crowd of kids passed and didn't cause me any harm. They were rowdy and loud, but they weren't causing any trouble. One of them even offered me a high five. In addition to the two cops cars, there were two police officers walking the sidewalks along the route with their guns pulled and pointed at the crowd. The cop told me to get inside my house and I said, "Is the gun really necessary?"  He told me "This is a very serious situation."  I didn't go inside my house and I've filed a complaint with the police department for having a gun pointed at me for no reason. About two minutes later, chaos erupted at the Shell station and cops showed up out of nowhere and started arresting people.  The whole situation was a mess and while I'm sure the kids started it, the police definitely made it worse. There is no way in hell the police that were doing the arresting knew who and why they were arresting. It was just random handcuffing of the crowd.

 

I don't know what the moral of this story is other than the fact that I'm glad Taste is over.

Like many others I choose to live in the city center among it's many strange and different sorts. Others don't, and never will. That's ok.

 

Just like 11 incidents at a massive taste festival is ok. 10 or 9 would be better, but there's always next year. I would never tell anyone who has experienced personal violence to just chill and shrug it off, but it's completely fine to take that attitude from a societal perspective.

 

Chief Whalen is the voice of reason. He makes sense.

I was at Taste on Sunday night and I can confirm that there was a HUGE crowd of teenagers moving en masse throughout downtown.  It was really strange and chaotic, and the crowd snaked through the streets literally taking over wherever they went by.  Three shots were fired, people were mugged, I saw multiple people getting loaded into stretchers at Walnut and Court...it was insane.  This type of shit seems to happen relatively frequently in Cincinnati, and it's quite ridiculous.

 

As opposed to where?  It's a big city with a big crowd for this event.  These things unfortunately happen.  While no violence is good, in the grand scheme of things, this could have been much, much worse.  Just this weekend Cleveland had something like 2 killed and six shot in a big crowd.  I'd prefer that there was no crime at all, and people should be upset about it.  But I hope we don't blow this out of proportion and give ammunition to people who are upset with the city's momentum. 

I was at Taste on Sunday night and I can confirm that there was a HUGE crowd of teenagers moving en masse throughout downtown.  It was really strange and chaotic, and the crowd snaked through the streets literally taking over wherever they went by.  Three shots were fired, people were mugged, I saw multiple people getting loaded into stretchers at Walnut and Court...it was insane.  This type of shit seems to happen relatively frequently in Cincinnati, and it's quite ridiculous.

 

I'm not doubting some of the stuff you are saying but I highly doubt 3 shots were fired into the taste of Cincinnati crowd.  That would have been national news