June 12, 200718 yr Down the road, I'd like to see P&G build Ohio's tallest. Not just the tallest, but the most unique also. If anyone in OH should have it, it should be powerhouse P&G, no doubt.
June 12, 200718 yr Down the road, I'd like to see P&G build Ohio's tallest. Not just the tallest, but the most unique also. If anyone should have it, it should be powerhouse P&G, no doubt. I agree. Our downtown has HUGE potential and were just starting to tap into it. If they end up building the tallest in ohio, then i nominate UncleRando to jump in the Ohio River
June 12, 200718 yr I dont think it should be ohios tallest. I think in the upper 600's is fine. We dont want a single tower that dwarfs the rest of the skyline because if we do that, there goes our picturesque skyline. Thats kind of what happened with cleveland, where their big 3 makes the other buildings look small and insignificant. If this building was upper 600's, it would compiment the rest of the skyline and keep our beautiful skyline intact.
June 12, 200718 yr ^ I think Cleveland's big 3 hurt their skyline too. It's especially noticeable when you're downtown.
June 12, 200718 yr I dont think it should be ohios tallest. I think in the upper 600's is fine. We dont want a single tower that dwarfs the rest of the skyline because if we do that, there goes our picturesque skyline. Thats kind of what happened with cleveland, where their big 3 makes the other buildings look small and insignificant. If this building was upper 600's, it would compiment the rest of the skyline and keep our beautiful skyline intact. Agree, Cleveland can keep the state's tallest. We have the states best skyline.
June 12, 200718 yr gotta disagree. I think cleveland has a pretty good skyline. I agree we have the best in the state of ohio, but not many people know about it across the us because we have no identifiable major skyscraper. a nice skyscraper landmark would make a statement to the people in the US that Cincinnati is on the up and up for the first time in 50 years. It'd be nice for the media, local and national, to talk about the city of cincinnati without using the words crime, racism, or riots
June 12, 200718 yr ^That's fine, but no one nationally will talk about the construction of a skyscraper in Cincinnati.
June 12, 200718 yr ^That's fine, but no one nationally will talk about the construction of a skyscraper in Cincinnati. Good... ^that depends on how ridiculous it looks ...point. The lower 700's (feet) I'll take. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 12, 200718 yr ^That's fine, but no one nationally will talk about the construction of a skyscraper in Cincinnati. True but they will talk about the finished skyscraper if it is done well and stands out
June 12, 200718 yr This building is going to happen. It will go out for bid by the end of the year. However, the signature "crown" at the top is an alternate. Lets hope that it (or something similar) makes it through the process.
June 12, 200718 yr gotta disagree. I think cleveland has a pretty good skyline. I agree we have the best in the state of ohio, but not many people know about it across the us because we have no identifiable major skyscraper. a nice skyscraper landmark would make a statement to the people in the US that Cincinnati is on the up and up for the first time in 50 years. It'd be nice for the media, local and national, to talk about the city of cincinnati without using the words crime, racism, or riots Why does a skyscraper have to do this? Skyscrapers go up all the time in this country. Look at Portland....do you hear about how great their city is because of their magnificent new skyscrapers....no! You hear about it because of the wonderful urban landscape they are creating! I dont think along the line of big buildings = progressive city. San Diego doesnt have big skyscrapers and yet, if you ask most people, they will say San Deigo is a fun, vibrant place. So lets keep our beautiful skyline and work on building up the street level infrastructure.
June 12, 200718 yr yes, it doesn't have to be massive, just something that stands out. I think were all in agreement here. we want something that fits in the skyline, but that also puts an exclamation point on the progress that cincinnati is making. Something that when the bengals play on monday night, people see on tv all over the country and go "wow, Cincinnati looks great"
June 12, 200718 yr This building is going to happen. It will go out for bid by the end of the year. However, the signature "crown" at the top is an alternate. Lets hope that it (or something similar) makes it through the process. Booooh yah, nicker....Boooh yah. Remember a few months ago when someone posted Western & Southern/Eagle would have a significant development announcement this summer? Anybody think it might be this as apposed to 5th and Race?
June 12, 200718 yr I would rather it stay lower than Carew. The skyline now tapers toward the high point in the center. With this, the skyline will not be as coherent. And I agree, I hope they don't cut off the curved top.
June 12, 200718 yr i think it can be taller and still have our tapered effect...it just means you have to building something even taller at fountain square west!
June 12, 200718 yr ^---I really disagree with this pyramd idea. Carew and PNC are about the only part of Cincinnati that stick out above the rest. Outside of Carew and PNC, the rest of the downtown is fairly flat. Drive a big loop around the CBD and you'll see what I'm talking about. The pyramid scheme may have been there many years ago, but the addition of Scripps, PNC Center, Chemed, Atrium and Chiquita pretty much destroyed that pyramid long ago. Besides, don't you think it's time for Carew to step aside and let the new kid run the block? As for the height...the original design would have already put QCS at around 685. If they go with more floors (I'm guessing 3-5 more), that will put QCS well over 700.
June 12, 200718 yr This building is going to happen. It will go out for bid by the end of the year. However, the signature "crown" at the top is an alternate. Lets hope that it (or something similar) makes it through the process. I would be really disappointed if the crown didn't happen, I think that's what gives it its beauty.
June 12, 200718 yr ^^ im all for someone new taking the skyline lead. its definately time to pass the torch. what also also might be neat : by breaking the so called "pyramid"... by building further away from carew she can still remain destinquished in the skyline. they would appear identical from any great distance as far as height goes and one wouldnt necessarily overpower the other. think wtc/empire state building. i like qcs where it is and i like that it would be taller.
June 12, 200718 yr downtown needs taller buildings in the western part of downtown, around the enquirer building. that would be nice some time down the future.
June 12, 200718 yr I can see there are a lot of opinions on this matter. Continue on, I have my popcorn with me to sit back and read the back and fourth discussion. Ronnie, can you use your photoshop skills to insert other predominant skyscrapers in the skyline?
June 13, 200718 yr ^That's fine, but no one nationally will talk about the construction of a skyscraper in Cincinnati. Nashville's about to break ground on something on the scale of the Chrysler Building and nobody's talking about it. >Down the road, I'd like to see P&G build Ohio's tallest. Not just the tallest, but the most unique also. Does anyone really expect an insurance company to build something not conservative? And by conservative I mean something that looks contemporary but is a complete cop-out on design and materials ala the Scripps Center? Take one glance at Columbus to see the kind of architectural perfidies insurance companies are capable of. I get this feeling that they're making this "taller" than the Carew Tower for sales reasons alone despite its inferior location on the east side of downtown. As for P&G, I'd certainly prefer them, 5/3, etc. to move their suburban offices to The Banks and downtown. I always honk and wave at at the big girls who smoke out on that 5/3 parking garage in Madisonville. Nationwide pulled that same crap by moving 3,000-odd workers out to Dublin. And while P&G exercized considerable verticle restraint back in the 80's when they expanded their headquarters onto the block east of Sycamore, I think it was really a strategy to at one time both gain control (which meant steam rolling a church and some other decent commercial buildings) of a lot of land and get access to all the cheap parking under I-71 and along Eggleston Ave. Really the P&G headquarters has always come across to me as suspiciously suburban, and the place always looks dead as hell.
June 13, 200718 yr thats the Signature Tower Building and its gonna be around 65 stories tall. Its an absolute gem. Who wouldn't want a building like this in cincinnati?
June 13, 200718 yr The Signature Tower is going to be over 1,000ft. including the spire, taller than anything outside NYC and Chicago. So taller than the Key Tower and those tall ones in Atlanta. Here it is superimposed at the QCS site: Here is is in the center of downtown, on one of the available parking lots on 7th St. Approximately what it would look like at 7th & Sycamore, just north of St. Xavier church. If it were built at either of the lots straddling Vine between 7th & 8th, it would be to the left of the Carew Tower.
June 13, 200718 yr i think most people woul dwant a building LIKE that in Cincinnati. Thats not the argument hes making. Hes just saying if you go and ask random people on the street about nashville, they are not going to be speaking its praise b/c of this building, but rather they will tell you its the country music capital of the usa.
June 13, 200718 yr I don't watch TV but if I did I don't think they do ANY coverage of any hi-rise construction on the national cable news channels except the WTC site. I don't know if it's because people aren't interested or if the networks don't think people are interested. The fact is few people outside NYC or Chicago are aware of the enormous buildings booms going on there. Truthfully I'd bet building projects in Las Vegas get more national media attention than anything else. People are more worried about school bus safety, new wonder drugs, etc.
June 13, 200718 yr >wow, that height would devastate our skyline. look how ridiculous that looks! Yeah I wish they'd dust off some of the scrapped skyscraper plans from the late 1920's. They had drawings for 40-50 floor buildings along 5th St. that almost broke ground before the stock market crash that looked a lot like the LeVeque Tower in Columbus. The Carew got off the ground just a few weeks before the crash. Hard to believe the Carew Tower came *this close* to not getting built...but then again if the subway bond issue had been just six months earlier, construction would have begun before WWI and it almost certainly would have been finished and put into operation afterward.
June 13, 200718 yr can you believe they are building that skyscraper in dubai thats going to be 200 stories and 1200 meters ? unreal. can you put that building in our skyline in that picture for the hell of it jmecklonberg? http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?8978577
June 13, 200718 yr Well I don't think there's enough sky in those photos. But really, Dubai's so excessive I like to pretend it doesn't exist. And for the time being it still has a population smaller than Cincinnati's, and a GDP 1% as large as the United States.
June 13, 200718 yr wow, that height would devastate our skyline. look how ridiculous that looks! Wow, no doubt. Jake couldn't make the point any clearer. Anything the size of Key Tower would be a huge mistake. I to would rather two 600-700 footers than anything 800+
June 13, 200718 yr Funny that someone mentioned it is time to pass the torch from the Carew to a new guy. QCS Phase II also has a retail mall that runs from its main entrance on fourth and sycamore down to third. I don't know how many retail sq ft are included, but it seems like Phase II is trying to become the new "City Within a City."
June 13, 200718 yr QCS Phase II also has a retail mall that runs from its main entrance on fourth and sycamore down to third. I don't know how many retail sq ft are included, but it seems like Phase II is trying to become the new "City Within a City." Is it retail accessable from the street? Or is it traditional mall-type retail?
June 13, 200718 yr My buddy and I went on the PP bridge climb last summer and our tour guide was the reason the damn thing went out of business. (IMO) Let me set the scene! We are standing on this bridge while he is giving us historical info regarding different Cincinnati landmarks. My buddy and I are the only Nati natives on the bridge at that time. The tour guide was from Wisconsin and only lived here a year. The other tourists were from Cleveland, Chi-town, Toledo, and India. I was fine with his historical facts until we got to the buildings. He claims that the buildings are strategically placed to symbolize a pyramid and that no new buildings are able to be built higher than the Carew per the city of Cincinnati. LMFAO, I replied that QCS was going to be taller than the Carew and that I had never heard anything EVER about a height restriction or a pyramid theory. Yea, made him look like a dumbass. He had never heard of QCS Back to the pyramid thing that some talk of. WTF, I kind of see where people would get that idea, but I don't ever want a buildings design to EVER be based on that theory. This is where our city gets it's uniqueness.
June 13, 200718 yr Is it retail accessable from the street? Or is it traditional mall-type retail? Traditional Mall type. Main entrance at fourth and sycamore. Because of the slope of sycamore street between 3rd and 4th, you really can't have individual entries. The main floor of the retail will be match the height of 4th street.
June 13, 200718 yr wow, that height would devastate our skyline. look how ridiculous that looks! Wow, no doubt. Jake couldn't make the point any clearer. Anything the size of Key Tower would be a huge mistake. I to would rather two 600-700 footers than anything 800+ Ya true, it would look weird. but maybe this is the start of 10 900+ foot buildings being built in a pyramid fashion across the skyline, ha...but ya, the middle looks ok, but still out of place. but i still wouldn't hate a really tall building!
June 13, 200718 yr I tend to like the "pyramid" concept, because a gentle slope looks better than a wall of skyscrapers. Normally this effect will happen by itself, because in urban real estate there usually is a "focal point" where buildings have the most value. The tallest tend to be built nearest the focal point, and that creates a natural peak in the skyline.
June 13, 200718 yr wow, that height would devastate our skyline. look how ridiculous that looks! Wow, no doubt. Jake couldn't make the point any clearer. Anything the size of Key Tower would be a huge mistake. I to would rather two 600-700 footers than anything 800+ It would take at minimal 3 800+ ft. skyscrapers in downtown Cincy's skyline to balance everything out and seeing how it is hard enough to get even one, I agree that perhaps we should just stick to the 700 footers. Maybe over time though the city can slowly but surely inch its way up. We'll leave it up to Northern Kentucky to keep coming up with Millenium monument projects that start off 1000 feet and end up 30
June 13, 200718 yr The retail at QCSII will be nothing more than convenience retail for daytime workers.
June 13, 200718 yr ^yea, well NK can suck my left nut. HA I was fine with his historical facts until we got to the buildings. He claims that the buildings are strategically placed to symbolize a pyramid and that no new buildings are able to be built higher than the Carew per the city of Cincinnati. Yeah your tour guide was an idiot.
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