February 5, 201015 yr The lengths some people will go to avoid paying the $2 admission charge to the Carew Tower observatory...
February 5, 201015 yr Judging by some of these reactions, I'm kinda glad some of you don't follow my twitter.
February 5, 201015 yr I think those pics are pretty sweet. My knees would turn to jello if I was up there. And at least they weren't trying to steal copper.
February 8, 201015 yr Maybe this will lite a fire on some of the developers and companies to build higher.
February 8, 201015 yr I think the curtain wall is turning out to be quite pretty, especially in the evenings.
February 9, 201015 yr Great photos - I think now that we can see the actual tapering at the top it is helping the building to not seem so chubby.
February 9, 201015 yr It really has a more elegant feel now than it will when tenant fit out has completed. There is a simplicity and an elevated level of transparency that wont exist when the building is consumed by random patterns of on and off lights and interior partitions. You need not look any further than Queen City Jr to see that. It really looks sharp from that angle though. Great photos.
February 15, 201015 yr It really has a more elegant feel now than it will when tenant fit out has completed. There is a simplicity and an elevated level of transparency that wont exist when the building is consumed by random patterns of on and off lights and interior partitions. You need not look any further than Queen City Jr to see that. It really looks sharp from that angle though. Great photos. Good point.
February 16, 201015 yr Terrible news from my view... QCSII will have ThyssenKrupp elevators. Have you ever used Fountain Square North Garage's elevator? Terribly slow! Same for the ones at my residence. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 16, 201015 yr Completely different applications... Elevators in high-rise buildings run much faster than elevators serving only a few floors in a parking garage or a residential building. The manufacturer has very little to do with it.
February 16, 201015 yr From Mt. Adams during the snow storm yesterday. Yeah, you can barely see it for all the snow.
February 16, 201015 yr The manufacturer has very little to do with it. I'll have to disagree with you on this point. In the 4-5 story structures I've used elevators in, the likes of Otis and Dover have always been much faster then ThyssenKrup. Not just moving from floor to floor but also the opening and closing of the door(s). No matter, we'll see how the QCSII fare soon enough. Anyone know what manufacturer is in QCSI? "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
February 16, 201015 yr The worst elevator I've ever been in is a Fujitec in the DAAP building. 4 stops, yet it takes like 10 minutes (exaggeration). I had the privilege of riding it with Peter Eisenman once when he was in DAAP to give a lecture, and quote him as saying "This is the slowest damn elevator with the fastest damn doors." I wanted to ask him why he let his interns spec it. This one is an odd one, usually I'm a fan of Fujitec elevators. That may be construed because I was born within site of their tower in Lebanon, but oh well. I think Otis is generally held in the highest regard in terms of vertical transport.
February 16, 201015 yr "Slow" elevators that serve 2-4 stories may be hydraulic. High-rise elevators are almost always roped.
February 16, 201015 yr I had a very awkward encounter with Peter Eisenman and Mark Wigley in the slow-as-molasses elevator in Avery Hall at Columbia University once. I'll have to share it when I have more time.
February 17, 201015 yr The manufacturer has very little to do with it. I'll have to disagree with you on this point. In the 4-5 story structures I've used elevators in, the likes of Otis and Dover have always been much faster then ThyssenKrup. Not just moving from floor to floor but also the opening and closing of the door(s). No matter, we'll see how the QCSII fare soon enough. Anyone know what manufacturer is in QCSI? Whoever the manufacturer is, the elevators will not be "slow". A lot of times elevators in buildings such as daap were installed to satisfy ada requriements and freight needs, not for frequent passenger service. I know that was the case where i went to school. These elevators inevitably become used for more than they were intended because people are too lazy to use the stairs. Its an office tower, the elevators will be right on speed with every other office tower youve ever been in... if not faster.
February 17, 201015 yr I have developed several high rise properties, you can spend as much or as little as you want on elevators. Aside from the type (hydraulic, etc.) the faster door speeds, lift speeds, etc. all increase cost which is not worthwhile unless the building is tall enough to justify the additional cost of lift and door speed given in a multi floor environment.
February 17, 201015 yr The standard speed for any vertical run over 350 feet is 1000 feet per minute, if I remember correctly. In general, you should have to wait about 20 seconds for an elevator on average, anything longer and it was a poor design. Most of these things are pretty standard calculations, so I'd imagine QCS would be fine no matter who's installing the elevators.
February 17, 201015 yr ^ lol ... and you are the same people blasting the USA for wanting McDees and Walmarts on every corner. ;)
February 17, 201015 yr The slowest elevator in Cincinnati history was in the old CCM building. The whole building only had one elevator, and it was a freight elevator big enough for grand pianos. The old CCM building also had the lowest-roofed parking garage in Cincinnati history. I remember being able to jump up and hit the ceilings with my fingers before I was five feet tall. You probably can't get a bank to fund a cars-only parking garage anymore.
February 17, 201015 yr OMG, I remember that CCM garage? I had a friend who was 6'7" and he loved it too! Incidentally the elevator at KI Eiffel Tower travels at 8 mph = 11.7 feet per second or 702' per minute.
February 17, 201015 yr Okay, here's my awkward encounter with Peter Eisenman in a slow elevator. In the summer of 2007, I was enrolled in the summer architecture studio at Columbia University. One day I wore a t-shirt that I had bought online some time ago. It’s black with white lettering, and has a silhouette of George Costanza of Seinfeld fame and some text. I don’t have an image of it, but imagine something like this: Vandelay Industries Latex, Architecture, Importing & Exporting For those of you unfamiliar with Avery Hall, our studio was on the 5th floor. The administrative offices are on the 4th floor, and the main lecture hall is in the basement. The floors are connected with one incredibly small, incredibly slow elevator. My classmates and I were up in studio, and around noon, began to head downstairs to the lecture hall to hear GSAPP dean Mark Wigley and architect / Yale professor Peter Eisenman -- arguably two of the biggest names in contemporary architectural theory -- give a panel discussion about the state of architectural education. Some of us decided to grab the elevator, and we pretty much filled it up. The doors closed, and the elevator began its slow descent. We stopped on the 4th floor on the way down. The doors opened, and none other than Mark Wigley and Peter Eisenman decided to squeeze on, and whatever lighthearted conversation that was occurring in the elevator at that moment came to an abrupt halt. Imagine these two as sort of like a Laurel & Hardy duo: Eisenman is very short and round, and Wigley is tall and lanky, wearing those round glasses that only an architectural theorist could get away with wearing. I ended up standing belly-to-belly with Eisenman, with Wigley behind him, peering over his shoulder. Both of them are obviously reading my t-shirt, because I could feel their gaze burning a hole through my chest. The elevator doors closed, and we were moving downward once again, very slowly. Nobody spoke. After a few seconds, Eisenman simply said, “George Costanza.” I nodded and tried to smile politely. “Yep,” I managed to utter. What followed next was about thirty seconds of incredibly awkward silence as the elevator made its way to the basement. I was still belly-to-belly with Eisenman, and Wigley was still looking at my t-shirt from over Eisenman’s shoulder. ... ... ... ... ... Finally the doors opened, and there was an audible sigh of relief from the people in the elevator as we filed out.
February 18, 201015 yr I believe construction of the tiera will begin sometime in March. Anyone know for sure?
February 19, 201015 yr Is the flagpole on order yet? Rumor is Carew is ordering a 20 foot extension to their flag pole in order to maintain its status as appearing to be the tallest building in Cincinnati.
February 19, 201015 yr I actually wouldn't be surprised if the Carew Tower didn't do something to keep it's status as the tallest structure.
February 19, 201015 yr I'm still holding out hope for this zeppelin (dirigible?) mooring mast, LOL: No, it's true. It's going to look something like this, all Art Deco like: Just not as tall.
February 19, 201015 yr This is a follow-up to a post that was flagged for copyright violations, but who did the original post of this copied post? http://fendyutama.blogspot.com/2010/01/queen-city-square-ii-and-banks.html
February 19, 201015 yr I'm still holding out hope for this zeppelin (dirigible?) mooring mast, LOL: No, it's true. It's going to look something like this, all Art Deco like: Just not as tall. Since Carew is our Empire State, it would be nice if it received more attention. Dirigible docking might be out of the question but a better top than a plain flagpole would be cool. At the very least, Carew should be lit with different colors depending on the occasion.
February 19, 201015 yr I agree with scrabble. However, I think old schoolers in Cincy need to suck it up and face the fact that Carew ISN'T the tallest around here. So many people in this city are petrified of change. If they built a 70 story tower downtown, people wold claim that the land is sinking under Carew making it seem shorter lol. So many excuses. Carew needs a really cool spire like Empire State. Flagpoles don't count because you can poke them on the top of any building lol.
February 20, 201015 yr um... I'll admit, she would look sexy with something similar to this scaled down to an elegant proportion! :wink: I'm not a fan of the different color lighting ideas. I don't even like when the "PNC" Tower changes colors. It currently is red. Certain Cincy buildings are breath taking enough under regular light. PNC is perfect. Carew could use some more accents. QCSII, we will see!!!! Call me old school!
February 20, 201015 yr I personally think Carew should be re-clad in vertical aluminum, granite and glass bands, Cesar Pelli style.
February 20, 201015 yr I'd like to see the original design before it was scaled back because of the Great Depression. The entire tower was supposed to have the detail the first three stories had I hear. Does anyone know if Carew would do something like the Empire State's lighting partner program: http://www.esbnyc.com/tourism/tourism_lightingpartner.cfm?CFID=37067455&CFTOKEN=27468655? I don't think QCSII will lend itself to being lit different colors, will it?
February 20, 201015 yr Well Scrabble, I did hear they will be using different colored lights in the tiara part. It SHOULD look very nice. I think what people are realizing is that this building is alreay looking way better than they anticipated.
February 21, 201015 yr Well Scrabble, I did hear they will be using different colored lights in the tiara part. It SHOULD look very nice. I think what people are realizing is that this building is alreay looking way better than they anticipated. That could be really cool if the arch of the tiara had LEDs that could change color instantaneously. It could be like a moving rainbow across the top of the building...just thinking out loud here.
February 21, 201015 yr That could be really cool if the arch of the tiara had LEDs that could change color instantaneously. It could be like a moving rainbow across the top of the building...just thinking out loud here. That's what I was hoping they would do on the cables for the bridgedoggle. I think what people are realizing is that this building is alreay looking way better than they anticipated. I still think it's not tall enough for the width.
February 22, 201015 yr Kind of like this but somehow mixed in with the cool Tiara? Target HQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Plaza_South
February 22, 201015 yr Kind of like this but somehow mixed in with the cool Tiara? Target HQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Plaza_South Yes, like that but along the silhouette of the tiara with downlighting and all that jazz. Check out this company: http://ledlight.osram-os.com/applications/architecture-led-lighting/
February 22, 201015 yr The LED route would be awesome - very flexible, and eventually, cost-efficient. Think of the many ways they could light the tiara - holidays, reds/bengals games, etc. It would be seen for many miles :-) Does anyone know for sure what specific type of lighting is planned for QCSII? 1.) Will there be the "red" airline lights on top of the building? 2.) Will they light the building from the top upward or just the top portion of the tower? Should be interesting to know the answers.
February 23, 201015 yr LED's would be an excellent choice, as the color can change cheaply. If I'm correct, the Empire State Building has gel caps that are placed over a series of white LED's, rather than different colored LED's themselves. With the blue-ish curtain wall, the color choices could be limited. Orange and black Bengals stripes would be awesome, but ugly compared to the blue.
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