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Okay, so I guess I can still count on the 5/3 tower over the Lazarus downtown, and the Millenium Monument.

 

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How about the Ewok Village?

 

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nice images.......probably hard to find......to bad they didn't materialize

I don't know about those search lights.

Monte, what are those images of? Come on man, get with it! We need better descriptions! :wink:

The first one is of the proposed Fountain Square West in the late 1980's and early 1990's.  It was going to be taller than the Carew.  It, like the economy, fell a part during that time and is now Fountain Place which is the two story Macy's.  There are still plans for a 5/3 tower above the store.  But with 5/3 likely to be bought those plans have no life.  The second picture is an urban garden that was once proposed for the same site.  Sad.

So the Lazarus building has the proper foundation and piers already in place to build a skyscraper on? Did I get that right?

That is correct.  It is ready for a 25 story building.  5/3 owns the air rights. 

Interesting. How tall is the Carew?

574'

I mean stories, 50?

Oh, I think some sources will say 48 and some 49; I assume the discrepancy has to do with what is essentially the stairway exit at the top.  There's room enough for a cashier in there, so I say it must be a real floor. :-)

Yep the cashier floor should be counted. I haven't been up in years, I ought to do it again.

nice images.......probably hard to find......to bad they didn't materialize

 

Yes these old renderings have ways of disappearing from the net, that is why I archive them to the last pages of my pbase account.  It comes in handy to have them all in one spot ;)

 

Here are a few more from Fountain Square West:

 

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^Don't know if I like that, but at least it would fit in with the new art museum and convention center.

They are now installing light fixtures on two of the floors in phase I. They are noticeable from the street and Newport.

they actually have drop ceilings laid in the first three

And here are a couple small ones of MM

^"MM"?

Ah yes, the Millennium Monument.

 

It was to be a companion to the Newport-on-the-Levee development.

Are there any large photos floating around?

Here's a larger version of the one I already posted

they have taken brick off of the old garage incrementaly on the western side...a little curious.  its in bands about 10 feet or so wide nearest the southwestern corner

Here is a photo from today of Queen City Square Phase I:

 

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^show me a pic of phase 2 please

Come back to this thread in a few years, no problem.

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Its been 10 days since this was discussed, are all the bricks from the garage gone yet?

no, its still just sections

I am so glad they didn't build that tower larger than the Carew.  No way.

I am so glad they didn't build that tower larger than the Carew.  No way.

 

Eh?  You mean phase 2?  The completed portion was always going to be 12 stories.

I think he means the fountain square west rendering above

 

Some pics from this weekend taken while driving.....

 

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Looking good. Any plans to clad the garage that isn't coming down?

I drove by last night and it looks like some of the office space is already occupied!

on my way home from work tonight i noticed two more floors are being finished for a total of 5 occiupied floors

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Here is the scoop:

 

303 Broadway St - Queen City Square

Cincinnati, OH 45202 - Cincinnati CBD Submarket

Future Availability of 135,000 SF

200,000 SF Under Construction Class A Office Building Delivering 11/2005

 

 

Total Avail: 135,000 SF

Typical Floor Size: 25,000 SF

RBA: 200,000 SF

Max Contig: 135,000 SF

Max Contig Floor: 135,000

SF Stories: 8

Smallest Space: 25,000 SF

Max 1 Floor: 135,000 SF

Delivering In: 11/2005

Rent/SF/yr: Negotiable

Total Spaces Avail: 1 % Leased: 32.5%

 

Parking: 650 Covered spaces are Available; Ratio of 3.25/1000 SF

 

For Sale Info: Not for sale

 

Whats the updated scoop monte?

My wife doesn't work for that company anymore so I can't log in and get lease numbers anymore.  Although she got a big pay increase so I can't complain.

 

Nothing much has changed on their website.

This was on the leasing companies website:

 

Contact: David T. Ottenjohn (513) 831-5533 or (513) 421-0101

Submarket: CBD

Total Square Feet: 188,474

Available Square Feet: 87,911

Largest Contiguous: 87,911

Minimum Divisible: 5,000

Operating Expenses: $8.90

Sale or Lease: $18.00-$19.00N

 

It would be nice to know how much of the building has been leased. 

If I'm reading it right, then it would appear that a little over 100,000 has been leased, right?

 

Total Square Feet: 188,474

Available Square Feet: 87,911

 

Fill that sucker up.  Get on to phase II.

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I'd like to agree, but doesnt the old convergys tower have almost 400,000sq ft availble now?

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400,000......80,000.....10 million......or 10 sq. ft.  I don't care, build me another tower please :-D

Yeah, hopefully it wont be long to get people to lease the tower off. COME ON PHASE II, everybody want to see the tower go up.....

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I recently did a google search on this for new information. Has anybody heard anything on phase II?  This is starting to feel a little like M.M.  All news/info just goes away.

the news is...we wait and see

Short and simple, this is how I personally feel about it:

 

Given the history of how so many grand, lofty plans for towering skyscrapers in this town have bit the dust, I'm not holding my breath that QCS2 will be built to such a scale that would make it the tallest building in the city.  The city is just plain and simply too conservative to think about anything that would knock precious Carew Tower down a peg.

^ I dont think it has anything to do with the political landscape of the city (which, btw, isnt conservative).  It has to do with demand for that type of office space and I just dont think its there right now.  QSC Part 1 put the vacancy rate for Class A space I believe up to like 13....18%...I forget but its something like that.

Granted, there are issues with office vacancy rates.  But it can't be the only reason why over the past 20 years there hasn't been any progress toward building the city's new tallest, when other cities have built their new tallest.  While other developers secured financing for those buildings, Cincinnati somehow couldn't pull it off. 

 

I think as a whole TPTB lack vision for this city.  I remember stories of how city council balked at ideas for various projects because they were afraid of how it would look or fit in with surrounding buildings.  In itself, I can understand that.  But they aren't willing to do anything on a grand scale that would really add a dramatic flare to the skyline.  Case and point:  Back when there were plans to do FSW, people complained because they didn't think it should be taller than Carew Tower.  That's a pretty narrow, stuffy attitude in my opinion.  Cincinnati IS a pretty conservative place.  People don't generally like change around here.

 

Maybe the political landscape is changing.  But I'll believe it when I see something really dramatic happen to the skyline.  Build a 1000' lookout tower or sunsphere by the river, and I'll accept that I'm wrong. ;-)

I think one of the reasons why the city doesn't have such tall buildings is because they dont want them to be higher than the surrounding hills.  I think thats a good reason and I dont really care if the city has huge buildings.  I am not going to define a citys attitude based on the height of their buildings.  Plus a 1000 foot anything would look way out of place in Cincinnati.  Plus, there isnt anything wrong with tradition in certain things.  If people want to keep Carew the tallest then I dont care.  What I do care about is the vitality of the city and its neighborhoods and dont get caught up on things like the height of buildings. 

Oh, I don't know how tall our those ugly cell phone towers on those hills? I see them towering over the skyline coming in on 75N in KY. I'd much rather have building that tall.

 

Also, it seems like the decisions makers in this city have a very narrow idea what they want built in the city and if a developer has project that doesn't fit their idea of a DT utopia it won't happen. I'm convince more more that there are people who would rather have nothing built if it doesn't fit their retro 1832 DT image of this city.

The designs for FSW were slightly ahead of their time; 5-10 towers resembling it have appeared in New York City in the last 10 years.  But it would have destroyed the way that the Cincinnati skyline faces the river; ours is one of the only skylines in the world that faces in a particular direction.  That tower would have faced east toward the square.  If 3 or 4 towers taller than the Carew are built the skyline will take on a new character.  But when just one is taller, it will almost certainly throw things off, possibly for decades before another 600 or 700 tower is built.   

 

Also, I have spent half of my adult life in the South; Cincinnati's downtown blows away everything in the South at street level and its skyline is better than all but Atlanta and Miami's.  If you are coming from somewhere like Chicago or New York of course Cincinnati will seem tiny but it is positively impressive after spending a few months straight in Dixie. 

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