February 11, 201510 yr I don't know if a coalition is coming together. All I know is people are talking -- some are saying it's worth $1 billion while others are saying it's not worth two nickels. How could they get up to $500 million from the state? Through this provision of the Ohio Revised Code which allows public transportation projects having a highway purpose (such as removing 75,000 vehicle-miles of traffic per day from the roads between Euclid and Cleveland?) to tap state gas taxes.... ___ Section 203.80. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION HIGHWAY PURPOSE GRANTS The Director of Transportation may use revenues from the state motor vehicle fuel tax to match approved federal grants awarded to the Department of Transportation, regional transit authorities, or eligible public transportation systems, for public transportation highway purposes, or to support local or state funded projects for public transportation highway purposes. Public transportation highway purposes include: the construction or repair of high-occupancy vehicle traffic lanes, the acquisition or construction of park-and-ride facilities, the acquisition or construction of public transportation vehicle loops, the construction or repair of bridges used by public transportation vehicles or that are the responsibility of a regional transit authority or other public transportation system, or other similar construction that is designated as an eligible public transportation highway purpose. Motor vehicle fuel tax revenues may not be used for operating assistance or for the purchase of vehicles, equipment, or maintenance facilities. ### "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 11, 201510 yr http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/02/lite_bus-rapid_transit_tailore.html#incart_river The article, maybe even the entire study, seems to weigh heavily on existing and potential population density. It's really not indicated how much of a role tourism and potential tourism was considered inn the equation. If we're looking forward to a further, more completely revitalized corridor, then shouldn't the increase in potential number of visitors be worthy of discussion? It's easy to envision pushing parking garages more on the perimeter of the Market District, further encouraging people to leave their cars for the day for the Zoo, Brooklyn, Porco's Tiki Bar :-) etc. etc.
February 11, 201510 yr ... It's heartening to know there are at least some people, leaders we would hope, who believe in this project. That being the case, I wish there was a way to get some media behind it. We saw how Terry Egger used the full editorial force of his Plain Dealer to practically shame all leaders, including local pols, to line up behind the Opportunity Corridor. (and let's face it, the so called "news articles" about the OC were little more than veiled rah-rah editorial pieces)... And it's pretty ironic -- sad, really -- that the only serious voices of dissent raised against the OC have come AFTER the Feds (with a TIGER grant, no less) have funded for this urban boondoggle. Isn't there away to get the media to shine a light on those seeking to support, financially, the Red Line expansion so it becomes more than a dirty little secret between a few UO mass transit nerds? I would think that's really how you get momentum behind this project --- at least that's how it seemed to come together in other cities like Denver (with the amazing FasTracks Eagle P3 project), and in Baltimore with its new rail project; ironically also the "Red Line." It seems that supporting rail transit expansion in Cleveland is just so damn unpopular; it's a topic not to be discussed ... at least not in polite company.
February 11, 201510 yr I'd imagine local residents make up the vast majority of bus fares. Maybe the tourist number would be negligible.
February 12, 201510 yr I'd imagine local residents make up the vast majority of bus fares. Maybe the tourist number would be negligible. But this transit study shouldn't be about bus fares; that's not only narrow, it's unnecessarily conclusive. The study should be about who is causing gridlock on W 25th, and what alternatives exist to facilitate better movement through the corridor. But you may be right, in that the entire "single car-less mom with a child" scenario they love mentioning could very well be the short sighted, incomplete approach to transit that they are pursuing.
February 23, 201510 yr BTW, after the News Herald tweeted this news story, Laketran followed up with a tweet of their own: Laketran @Laketran 11h11 hours ago What's your thought on rail transit for Lake County, OH? https://lnkd.in/e9nCCfR We responded and Laketran retweeted it: All Aboard Ohio @AllAboardOhio · 11h 11 hours ago Several weekday rush-hour DMUs on enhanced @nscorp corridor to @inthecircle & @DowntownCLE may be affordable. @Laketran @newsheraldinoh Looking at the possibility of a return of rail transit to Lake County By Simon Husted, The News-Herald POSTED: 02/21/15, 10:40 PM EST | 0 Editor’s note: This is part one of a two part series about the obstacles and practicality of rail transit ever returning to Lake County. This part is focusing on the funding of public transportation and part two, running Feb. 23, will dive deeper into the practicality of commuter rail coming back inside the county. Like so many people in Northeast Ohio, Michael Glover’s commute to his job in downtown Cleveland is a time-consuming, costly and sometimes grueling routine. The telecommunication specialist for AT&T spends about 40 minutes on the road twice a day, four days a week, driving between his house in Perry Village and a reserved parking space downtown that costs him $40 per month. Glover, who also serves as a Perry Village councilman, said he enjoys working in downtown Cleveland’s Gateway District with all of its exciting revitalization and investment. But Glover wishes there was a better way to get there — a way that would allow him to be productive during those 45 minutes getting to and from work. And just as important, a way that allows him to return home when he wants in a reasonable convenience. MORE: http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20150221/looking-at-the-possibility-of-a-return-of-rail-transit-to-lake-county "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 201510 yr ^yeah, definitely! go for it. I'm in! :clap: http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
February 23, 201510 yr BTW, after the News Herald tweeted this news story, Laketran followed up with a tweet of their own: Laketran @Laketran 11h11 hours ago What's your thought on rail transit for Lake County, OH? https://lnkd.in/e9nCCfR We responded and Laketran retweeted it: All Aboard Ohio @AllAboardOhio · 11h 11 hours ago Several weekday rush-hour DMUs on enhanced @nscorp corridor to @inthecircle & @DowntownCLE may be affordable. @Laketran @newsheraldinoh Looking at the possibility of a return of rail transit to Lake County By Simon Husted, The News-Herald POSTED: 02/21/15, 10:40 PM EST | 0 Editor’s note: This is part one of a two part series about the obstacles and practicality of rail transit ever returning to Lake County. This part is focusing on the funding of public transportation and part two, running Feb. 23, will dive deeper into the practicality of commuter rail coming back inside the county. Like so many people in Northeast Ohio, Michael Glover’s commute to his job in downtown Cleveland is a time-consuming, costly and sometimes grueling routine. The telecommunication specialist for AT&T spends about 40 minutes on the road twice a day, four days a week, driving between his house in Perry Village and a reserved parking space downtown that costs him $40 per month. Glover, who also serves as a Perry Village councilman, said he enjoys working in downtown Cleveland’s Gateway District with all of its exciting revitalization and investment. But Glover wishes there was a better way to get there — a way that would allow him to be productive during those 45 minutes getting to and from work. And just as important, a way that allows him to return home when he wants in a reasonable convenience. MORE: http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20150221/looking-at-the-possibility-of-a-return-of-rail-transit-to-lake-county Excellent article... the kind I you'd expect we'd get from Allison Grant and the PD re such an important project... NOT!
February 23, 201510 yr These 2 paragraphs from the well-written above Lake County News-Herald article say it all: Jurkowski wouldn’t say whether the idea of rail transit returning to Lake County is a “pie in the sky” idea, but like so many other places, Lake County faces a “what should be” and “what is” situation. Lake County’s transit issues stem far deeper than at Laketran, he said. Part of the problem is with federal lawmakers’ inability to increase funding for infrastructure and another part of it is because leaders in the state and elsewhere “are not connecting the dots” when it comes to investing in mass transit.
February 23, 201510 yr ^ The part about federal lawmakers, I dont understand. I got to so many other cities around the country that seem to be getting transit dollars pumped in as eveidenced in their robust transit system. I have to imagine it's more so a state issue here.
February 23, 201510 yr My take is that NE Ohio (or Ohio in general) lacks the right people in the right committees in Congress to bring transportation dollars back to NE Ohio. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 201510 yr My take is that NE Ohio (or Ohio in general) lacks the right people in the right committees in Congress to bring transportation dollars back to NE Ohio. And it doesn't help that pro-rail Republican Steve LaTourette is gone, considering he had sat on the transportation appropriations committee.
February 23, 201510 yr And it doesn't help that pro-rail Republican Steve LaTourette is gone, considering he had sat on the transportation appropriations committee. His replacement, David Joyce, has shown willingness to support rail projects. But he isn't chair of any committees. LaTourette actually chaired Transportation Appropriations until he blocked a GOP-led bill that would have zero-funded Amtrak. His reward for saving Amtrak? LaTourette was stripped of his chairmanship. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 201510 yr ^LaTourette seems like a decent guy... He had the good sense to bail on Congress when he saw Tea Party elements gaining too much strength within the GOP. He's since co-founded a lobbying group aimed at bipartisanship (and against the Tea Party)... Hope he's free of whatever (undisclosed) serious illness that sent him to surgery last year.
February 23, 201510 yr Here's part 2 of the News Herald article-- Looking at the possible return of rail transit to Lake County, Part 2 http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20150223/looking-at-the-possible-return-of-rail-transit-to-lake-county-part-2 http://www.mainstreetpainesville.org/
February 24, 201510 yr One flaw in the 2 articles -- which generally I like -- is a failure to mention University Circle at all as a destination point. UC is, after all, like a 2nd downtown Cleveland. I wonder, employment-wise, how UC ranks among business districts in Ohio. (ie -- Pittsburgh's Oakland district ranks 3rd in PA behind Center City Philadelphia and downtown Pittsburgh)... Instead the articles focuses, unfortunately, on commuting downtown and to the Airport. Of course, the 2nd article quotes mainly 2 All Aboard Ohio members, you'd think they'd know better. To me, the direct and fast connection to University Circle, is huge. Currently there is no high-speed road that could compete with the Rapid speed-wise if the Red Line was extended to Euclid... Oops, I'd better keep it down ... I don't want to awaken the Albert Porter lives/extend the OC groupies.
February 24, 201510 yr One flaw in the 2 articles -- which generally I like -- is a failure to mention University Circle at all as a destination point. UC is, after all, like a 2nd downtown Cleveland. I wonder, employment-wise, how UC ranks among business districts in Ohio. (ie -- Pittsburgh's Oakland district ranks 3rd in PA behind Center City Philadelphia and downtown Pittsburgh)... Instead the articles focuses, unfortunately, on commuting downtown and to the Airport. I remember hearing UC was the 4th largest in Ohio behind (in descending order) 1. DT Cleveland 2. DT Cincinnati 3. DT Columbus 4. UC
February 24, 201510 yr ^^Unfortunately, I'd guess most of UC's employment is outside a half mile walk of a rapid station (e.g., the Clinic, VA, museums), and if you factor in a longer walk than that or shuttle bus ride, driving pretty easily will win out for most folks. Case and UH are both great ridership generators, but we're not really talking about all of UC.
February 24, 201510 yr ^I'm not so sure about that. The main employment centers that I consider University Circle: UH, CWRU, CIA, CIM, the museums, social service agencies, etc, are within walking distance of a Rapid Station. UH, unlike sprawling CC, is highly concentrated and even vertical at many points (like the main tower and the Seidman Cancer Center at Cornell & Euclid). I guess it's open to some debate, but I really don't consider CC as University Circle. It's more Fairfax to me. But even so, if the development of CC heads south along the OC/E. 105, even that CC growth will be near the E. 105 Red Line station. Some CC employees use that stop anyway even though they must walk through somewhat rough area along E. 105... Then too the gigantic still new JJC is 2 blocks from the that same station and is a major employment center as well. Once the Red Line Station is relocated to Mayfield at Little Italy, a lot more UC institutions will be walkable... even the giant VA will be walkable... a long walk, yes, but a very pleasant one.
February 24, 201510 yr One flaw in the 2 articles -- which generally I like -- is a failure to mention University Circle at all as a destination point. UC is, after all, like a 2nd downtown Cleveland. I wonder, employment-wise, how UC ranks among business districts in Ohio. (ie -- Pittsburgh's Oakland district ranks 3rd in PA behind Center City Philadelphia and downtown Pittsburgh)... Instead the articles focuses, unfortunately, on commuting downtown and to the Airport. I remember hearing UC was the 4th largest in Ohio behind (in descending order) 1. DT Cleveland 2. DT Cincinnati 3. DT Columbus 4. UC I've always questioned Cleveland's quoted total of Downtown jobs that ranges from 100,000 to 130,000 to beat out Cincinnati and Columbus's Downtowns. Those city's CBD's appear to have more large skyscrapers full of office space than Cleveland. I found this figure in a Downtown Cleveland study performed by CSU's Center for Economic Development in the 90s. It confirms my suspicion that this 100K+ job total casts a wider net than the CBD. In fact, it includes the Flats, Campus District, Ohio City, Tremont, Asia Town, and part of Midtown (neighborhoods that contribute 1000s of jobs in retail, industry, and home business to the total). Area codes 44114, 44115, and 44113 combined had 137,980 jobs in 1996. My visual and contextual estimate places CBD employment (W 9th/Huron to the west, Carnegie to the south, East 18th to the East and the lake to the North) would place CBD employment at 80K MAX in 1996. This would be good for third largest employment district in Ohio, followed by University Circle at its current employment figure of 50,000 (Re: Ronayne, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/realestate/commercial/cleveland-ignites-job-growth-with-rebuilding-project.html?_r=0
February 24, 201510 yr ^FYI, you can generate more recent estimates in customizable geographies by using the "on the map" website the census maintains: http://onthemap.ces.census.gov/ As of 2011, looks like the the area bounded by the Cuyahoga, Lake Erie, and the innerbelt (which I'd call downtown proper) had about 90k employees.
February 24, 201510 yr Employment is only part of the picture. Consider also the number of students, visitors to museums, exhibits, festivals, hospitals (family/friends visiting patients) and more. These are all rapidly growing segments, and the direct rail corridor to the east is a big asset used only by through freight traffic. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 24, 201510 yr I guess I would consider the Flats and the Campus District part of Downtown, and I doubt that Ohio City or Tremont add many jobs, maybe a thousand between the two of them. Midtown might add a significant amount (Midtown CDC claims something like 40,000 workers in Midtown, but the Downtown study is only including a portion of that. Best guess is that most of those 140k jobs are indeed in Downtown, though maybe 10-20k are in Midtown. No way 60k are outside of Downtown.
February 24, 201510 yr I've always questioned Cleveland's quoted total of Downtown jobs that ranges from 100,000 to 130,000 to beat out Cincinnati and Columbus's Downtowns. Those city's CBD's appear to have more large skyscrapers full of office space than Cleveland. Odd claim, I'd have to disagree.
February 24, 201510 yr Census data (LEHD) shows about 96K jobs "downtown" as of 2011 if expanded to include the the Tri-C/St. Vincents area and northern parts of the Flats. And what the heck, here's a generous polygon capturing University Circle, with an approx. 2011 job count of about 53K
February 24, 201510 yr ^LaTourette seems like a decent guy... He had the good sense to bail on Congress when he saw Tea Party elements gaining too much strength within the GOP. He's since co-founded a lobbying group aimed at bipartisanship (and against the Tea Party)... Hope he's free of whatever (undisclosed) serious illness that sent him to surgery last year. He was a politically decent guy, sure. He was kind of a scumbag personally. That said I voted for him twice.
February 24, 201510 yr ^LaTourette seems like a decent guy... He had the good sense to bail on Congress when he saw Tea Party elements gaining too much strength within the GOP. He's since co-founded a lobbying group aimed at bipartisanship (and against the Tea Party)... Hope he's free of whatever (undisclosed) serious illness that sent him to surgery last year. Maybe All Aboard Ohio should hire his firm... ;)
February 24, 201510 yr One more data point from the 2011 census LEHD data: about 4,200 of the 95K employees working within a half mile of a Red Line station live in Lake County.
February 24, 201510 yr ^Of course, if Intesa is built to scale it would obviously up the TOD/UC employment numbers. Also, the SE corner of CC is within .4 miles (or 8 minutes walk) from the projected, new E.105 Red Line head house on the O.C., according to Google maps ... That would certainly make CC walkable from the Red Line.
July 17, 20159 yr :wtf: I just met someone that lives in Broadview Hts. and works at the Cleve. Clinic. The person would somehow like to get on a rail line. What would be the closest station to park? Is there a shuttle to the Cleveland Clinic. Least amount of transfers. Help?
July 18, 20159 yr According to Google Maps, he could take the 35 bus which runs along Broadview Road all the way in to the W. 25th station. There he would transfer to the Red Line at which point he gets off at Either 105-Quincy or University. Again according to Google Maps, this would take ~1hr 44 min.
July 19, 20159 yr According to Google Maps, he could take the 35 bus which runs along Broadview Road all the way in to the W. 25th station. There he would transfer to the Red Line at which point he gets off at Either 105-Quincy or University. Again according to Google Maps, this would take ~1hr 44 min. Instead of a 30 to 45 minute drive. Another option might be a park and ride lot, but the Red Line doesn't really come all that close to CC.
July 19, 20159 yr Broadview Hts. seems like a difficult location for somebody that wants to take rail since it would take so long to get to a station in the first place. That said, I find it hard to believe that the Clinic, with all its services, does not provide a regular shuttle from the Quincy station to the campus. It would be basically a three minute ride. A more walkable stop for the Clinic (more eyes) would be University-Cedar which is only three blocks away from the first Clinic buildings. Of course in New York nobody would think twice about this, but obviously that is going to be a different story in Cleveland (not to stereotype (but I will), especially for somebody would chooses to live in Broadview Hts).
July 20, 20159 yr Any news on this? It's still on hold until NOACA can update its work trip data. They made lots of progress on it, but there was a big problem and they had to redo it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 20, 20159 yr Instead of the #35, consider taking the #77F. It takes Route 21 (faster than Broadview Rd) and I-77 (usually faster than West 25th) into downtown. When my parents lived in Brecksville, I often saw a half-odozen or more people get off each southbound bus during rush hours across from City Hall. Turns out there is a park-n-ride lot at City Hall, but you have to apply for a parking space there: http://www.riderta.com/facilities/brecksville I've seen others get off at the stop before, across from the shopping center that has Giant Eagle. They had parked in the spaces farthest from the store, but closest to Route 21. The 77F exits I-77 onto East 14th then goes to Public Square on Prospect. So the fastest route is to get off the 77F at East 14th/Prospect and walk one block north to Euclid. It takes about 35-40 minutes to go from the Brecksville P&R to the corner of East 14th and Prospect. I measured the walk to the Euclid-East 13th HealthLine station -- 740 feet. That's a 3-minute walk at 3 mph. The 77F buses run every 20-30 minutes during rush hours (not too frequently). But the HealthLine buses run every 7-10 minutes. The trip from East 13th to the Cleveland Clinic takes about 20 minutes. So the total trip time from Brecksville would be about 1 hour. Instead of a 30 to 45 minute drive. Another option might be a park and ride lot, but the Red Line doesn't really come all that close to CC. All true. There has been recent interest by RTA in operating park-n-ride express buses from a new location in Independence to downtown and, when the Opportunity Corridor opens, to University Circle. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 20, 20159 yr A transit commute of 1:45 brings up a question I hadn't considered. What about older folks (such as myself) who have to use the facilities like every 5 min? How many potential customers is RTA losing by not having restrooms?
July 20, 20159 yr A transit commute of 1:45 brings up a question I hadn't considered. What about older folks (such as myself) who have to use the facilities like every 5 min? How many potential customers is RTA losing by not having restrooms? How do you make it through a car ride that takes longer than 5 minutes?
July 20, 20159 yr A transit commute of 1:45 brings up a question I hadn't considered. What about older folks (such as myself) who have to use the facilities like every 5 min? How many potential customers is RTA losing by not having restrooms? How do you make it through a car ride that takes longer than 5 minutes? Assuming surf was exaggerating a bit, one can always find a pit stop while driving if it's absolutely necessary. Without waiting a half hour for the next car to come along. That said, I would imagine RTA owning public restrooms would result in some heavy duty maintenance expenses.
July 20, 20159 yr A transit commute of 1:45 brings up a question I hadn't considered. What about older folks (such as myself) who have to use the facilities like every 5 min? How many potential customers is RTA losing by not having restrooms? How do you make it through a car ride that takes longer than 5 minutes? You can pull over if necessary. And not to say this is a Cleveland problem, it's a universal one for sure. I work in NYC sometimes and I've had to resort to illegal peeing so many times along that subway I've lost count.
July 20, 20159 yr Instead of the #35, consider taking the #77F. It takes Route 21 (faster than Broadview Rd) and I-77 (usually faster than West 25th) into downtown. When my parents lived in Brecksville, I often saw a half-odozen or more people get off each southbound bus during rush hours across from City Hall. Turns out there is a park-n-ride lot at City Hall, but you have to apply for a parking space there: http://www.riderta.com/facilities/brecksville I've seen others get off at the stop before, across from the shopping center that has Giant Eagle. They had parked in the spaces farthest from the store, but closest to Route 21. The 77F exits I-77 onto East 14th then goes to Public Square on Prospect. So the fastest route is to get off the 77F at East 14th/Prospect and walk one block north to Euclid. It takes about 35-40 minutes to go from the Brecksville P&R to the corner of East 14th and Prospect. I measured the walk to the Euclid-East 13th HealthLine station -- 740 feet. That's a 3-minute walk at 3 mph. The 77F buses run every 20-30 minutes during rush hours (not too frequently). But the HealthLine buses run every 7-10 minutes. The trip from East 13th to the Cleveland Clinic takes about 20 minutes. So the total trip time from Brecksville would be about 1 hour. Instead of a 30 to 45 minute drive. Another option might be a park and ride lot, but the Red Line doesn't really come all that close to CC. All true. There has been recent interest by RTA in operating park-n-ride express buses from a new location in Independence to downtown and, when the Opportunity Corridor opens, to University Circle. ... as in Joe Calabrese's plan to run express buses on the OC in direct competition with the Red Line Rapid?
July 20, 20159 yr Instead of the #35, consider taking the #77F. It takes Route 21 (faster than Broadview Rd) and I-77 (usually faster than West 25th) into downtown. When my parents lived in Brecksville, I often saw a half-odozen or more people get off each southbound bus during rush hours across from City Hall. Turns out there is a park-n-ride lot at City Hall, but you have to apply for a parking space there: http://www.riderta.com/facilities/brecksville I've seen others get off at the stop before, across from the shopping center that has Giant Eagle. They had parked in the spaces farthest from the store, but closest to Route 21. The 77F exits I-77 onto East 14th then goes to Public Square on Prospect. So the fastest route is to get off the 77F at East 14th/Prospect and walk one block north to Euclid. It takes about 35-40 minutes to go from the Brecksville P&R to the corner of East 14th and Prospect. I measured the walk to the Euclid-East 13th HealthLine station -- 740 feet. That's a 3-minute walk at 3 mph. The 77F buses run every 20-30 minutes during rush hours (not too frequently). But the HealthLine buses run every 7-10 minutes. The trip from East 13th to the Cleveland Clinic takes about 20 minutes. So the total trip time from Brecksville would be about 1 hour. Instead of a 30 to 45 minute drive. Another option might be a park and ride lot, but the Red Line doesn't really come all that close to CC. All true. There has been recent interest by RTA in operating park-n-ride express buses from a new location in Independence to downtown and, when the Opportunity Corridor opens, to University Circle. ... as in Joe Calabrese's plan to run express buses on the OC in direct competition with the Red Line Rapid? Presumably such a bus would get on I-77 in Independence, get off at the OC exit (now 55th) and not stop until it reaches Cleveland Clinic. That doesn't primarily compete with the Red Line. For one thing, it would likely be more expensive.
July 20, 20159 yr Presumably such a bus would get on I-77 in Independence, get off at the OC exit (now 55th) and not stop until it reaches Cleveland Clinic. That doesn't primarily compete with the Red Line. For one thing, it would likely be more expensive. That's probably what it would be. Unless the buses make stops along the OC, it wouldn't compete with the Red Line. However, when the new East 34th station is built, the 77F (as well as the 90F from Oakwood/Bedford/Maple/Garfield) could probably exit I-77 one exit earlier to serve the East 34th station as well as Tri-C. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 20, 20159 yr Presumably such a bus would get on I-77 in Independence, get off at the OC exit (now 55th) and not stop until it reaches Cleveland Clinic. That doesn't primarily compete with the Red Line. For one thing, it would likely be more expensive. That's probably what it would be. Unless the buses make stops along the OC, it wouldn't compete with the Red Line. However, when the new East 34th station is built, the 77F (as well as the 90F from Oakwood/Bedford/Maple/Garfield) could probably exit I-77 one exit earlier to serve the East 34th station as well as Tri-C. Looks like that's a "when" not an "if". IMO, that's a waste of money as the geography doesn't lend itself to creating a good hub there. I'd use the funds to expand the 55th street station into a controlled access area with free transfers. Or move it to Broadway just south of E. 22nd and do the same thing.
July 20, 20159 yr Looks like that's a "when" not an "if". IMO, that's a waste of money as the geography doesn't lend itself to creating a good hub there. I'd use the funds to expand the 55th street station into a controlled access area with free transfers. Or move it to Broadway just south of E. 22nd and do the same thing. Yep, it's a when. The Campus District pushed hard for RTA to rebuild the station at East 34th. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 21, 20159 yr Any news on this? It's still on hold until NOACA can update its work trip data. They made lots of progress on it, but there was a big problem and they had to redo it. I'm glad progress has been made, but why is this project so hush-hush? It's like a big secret.
July 21, 20159 yr I'm glad progress has been made, but why is this project so hush-hush? It's like a big secret. No secret. There's nothing new to report. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 21, 20159 yr To me, what you reported about NOACA is news both positive and negative. At least it lets people know the project is still alive, and work is being done to make it a reality, regardless of how slim that probability is. So many important Cleveland projects die quietly... Then again, when a major public works project is deemed important to some in the community, like the Opportunity Corridor, we get periodic updates throughout the process, even when it seems there's little news. It's just a matter of the community's priorities.
July 23, 20159 yr That said, I find it hard to believe that the Clinic, with all its services, does not provide a regular shuttle from the Quincy station to the campus. It would be basically a three minute ride. Rather than do this at their own expense they are making the taxpayer spend money on an access boulevard so people can just drive the whole way themselves.[emoji19]
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