August 7, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, mrnyc said: @Keelung to Cuyahoga welcome --- nice shot there -- i know some don't like the tower is a mishmash with the parking deck, but that is actually one thing i like about it and that angle is a reason why. I’m with you! I think it adds an interesting visual contrast and offbeat uniqueness. Not everything has to be so neat and uniform.
August 9, 20195 yr ^someone said upthread that, based on the renderings, the columns will not be left yellow.
August 9, 20195 yr I wished the panels had more of a metallic luster instead of appearing matte. Think that would've made it look a bit more upscale.
August 9, 20195 yr 49 minutes ago, Terdolph said: Please tell me that they are not going to leave those columns yellow. They're not.
August 9, 20195 yr 56 minutes ago, Terdolph said: Please tell me that they are not going to leave those columns yellow. They're still working on the balconies...give them some time and they'll cover the yellow just like they covered the rest of the yellow on the building.
August 9, 20195 yr Mister Blue Sky.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 9, 20195 yr I acknowledge your opinion that the matte panels look cheap, Frmr CLEdr. However, I completely disagree. In my opinion, the matte panels allow the color and value variations to present themselves clearly without the visual distortions that would occur if the panels were more reflective. I can assure you the architects conducted numerous curtain wall appearance tests before deciding on this panel.
August 10, 20195 yr I'm not referring exclusively to the panels. If anything, they significantly add to what would otherwise be a very mediocre building. I'm referring to the building as a whole; particularly in comparison to other recently completed, or buildings under construction (Hilton, Lumen).
August 10, 20195 yr I have to agree with you there. The design could have been more imaginative by breaking up the rectangular shape to give it a more sculptural skyline presence, like the Hilton. Such an approach could have given greater meaning to the name, "Beacon". Too bad the designers didn't consult us, right?
August 10, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, ArtMasterCLE said: I acknowledge your opinion that the matte panels look cheap, Frmr CLEdr. However, I completely disagree. In my opinion, the matte panels allow the color and value variations to present themselves clearly without the visual distortions that would occur if the panels were more reflective. I can assure you the architects conducted numerous curtain wall appearance tests before deciding on this panel. Also, if you've walked east on Euclid in the morning when the sun is hitting it just right, it's almost blinding as-is. I can't imagine the retinal carnage if they were glossy. 'Beacon' fo sho.
August 10, 20195 yr 10 hours ago, ArtMasterCLE said: I have to agree with you there. The design could have been more imaginative by breaking up the rectangular shape to give it a more sculptural skyline presence, like the Hilton. Such an approach could have given greater meaning to the name, "Beacon". Too bad the designers didn't consult us, right? Though born and raised in CLE (mid 50's-mid 70's), my perspective may have become a bit tainted over the years. Having lived in NYC for twenty years and now MIA, I've grown accustomed to seeing buildings that are architectural marvels, each a stunning example of the latest and greatest that the planet's architectural firms have to offer. Cleveland certainly has its share. I just don't think this is one of them.
August 10, 20195 yr Interestingly, I did it almost the opposite of you. I grew up in Florida, also mid 50's- mid 70's, and came to CLE to go to art school. I agree the two great cities you mentioned can boast many iconic architectural marvels. The Beacon, I have to conclude, was intended to be a fill-in structure with personality. Robert Stark's iconic architectural offering was to be the original design for nuCLEus. I'm guessing the long-rumored Sherwin-Williams corporate headquarters, and a few others on the drawing board may present us with something that's a lot more architecturally imaginative. In my opinion, even fill-in architecture has an opportunity to make a visual statement, which Beacon attempts to do with its graduated panels. I'm guessing budget, dictated by a need to meet certain price restrictions for the apartments, limited what the architects could do aesthetically.
August 13, 20195 yr On 8/9/2019 at 8:01 PM, Frmr CLEder said: I'm not referring exclusively to the panels. If anything, they significantly add to what would otherwise be a very mediocre building. I'm referring to the building as a whole; particularly in comparison to other recently completed, or buildings under construction (Hilton, Lumen). Never cared for the tilted, lopsided appearance of the Hilton.
August 13, 20195 yr 32 minutes ago, Terdolph said: Agreed. It would have been better if they had completed it in the true International Style. Would have complimented the mall and the classical buildings better. It's not bad, but could have been better with cleaner lines. the international Style never goes out of style... it never looks dated. Erieview Tower and the PNC building are among the most elegant buildings that Cleveland has to offer. "Less is more" - Mies van der Rohe Edited August 13, 20195 yr by shack
August 13, 20195 yr The juxtaposition of different eras and styles tends to be more obvious and dissonant when there are fewer buildings - but as the skyline continues to evolve and grow over time, I think the diversity can make things more dynamic and interesting. I like the contemporary leanings of the Hilton.
August 13, 20195 yr 25 minutes ago, Terdolph said: The International Style is contemporary. I think an architectural historian would disagree with this statement. They're still being built, but the style is definitely 20th century. Its the mid-century modern of commercial towers.
August 13, 20195 yr For the architectural bluffs, what architectural style would one classify the Beacon as being?
August 13, 20195 yr I’m sure the designers at NADAAA would say it’s without a style, but is simply “contemporary.”
August 14, 20195 yr On 8/9/2019 at 8:01 PM, Frmr CLEder said: I'm not referring exclusively to the panels. If anything, they significantly add to what would otherwise be a very mediocre building. I'm referring to the building as a whole; particularly in comparison to other recently completed, or buildings under construction (Hilton, Lumen). I think the concept of "budget" seems to have escaped you here when considering the context/scope of this project... Hilton is a multi-billion dollar company and that project encompassed a 600 room facility (with a standard booking bringing in $200+ a night). The Beacon is, by all accounts, an apartment complex marketed to young professionals offering ~187 units. The Beacon's scope (and budget) was never meant to compete with the likes of a downtown Hilton - or even the Lumen for that matter. The Hilton's budget was $110 Million dollars more than the Beacon's projected cost and also had the backing of a Fortune 100 company... As mentioned by someone else above, potential projects like the SW HQ or NuCLEus are likely to be much more momentous. Edited August 14, 20195 yr by BJBaes
August 14, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, BJBaes said: I think the concept of "budget" seems to have escaped you here when considering the context/scope of this project... Hilton is a multi-billion dollar company and that project encompassed a 600 room facility (with a standard booking bringing in $200+ a night). The Beacon is, by all accounts, an apartment complex marketed to young professionals offering ~187 units. The Beacon's scope (and budget) was never meant to compete with the likes of a downtown Hilton - or even the Lumen for that matter. The Hilton's budget was $110 Million dollars more than the Beacon's projected cost and also had the backing of a Fortune 100 company... As mentioned by someone else above, potential projects like the SW HQ or NuCLEus are likely to be much more momentous. I thought the Hilton - Cleveland Downtown was financed by Cuyahoga County and Hilton was selected by the county as operator.
August 14, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: I thought the Hilton - Cleveland Downtown was financed by Cuyahoga County and Hilton was selected by the county as operator. That's correct. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 14, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: I thought the Hilton - Cleveland Downtown was financed by Cuyahoga County and Hilton was selected by the county as operator. Sounds right to me, as well. Just stating the scopes and budgets are vastly different. I'd think that the projected revenue kickback for the city is in a totally different stratosphere for the Hilton.
August 16, 20195 yr From this morning - looks like they’re finally covering up the yellow beams/supports!
August 16, 20195 yr Some iPhone photos of a tour I took today. So here are some take-a-ways. 1. The balcony level is fully leased and currently has a five year waiting list. 2. The color schemes of each apartment (dark + shiny/light wood finishings) alternate each floor. 3. Each apartment is smart; meaning you download an app and you can control the lighting, temp, etc. 4. The building is 20 percent leased. 5. "Apparently" a fruit store is going into Nucleus. ?
August 16, 20195 yr 47 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said: 5. "Apparently" a fruit store is going into Nucleus. ? I don’t buy that for a second! BUT, if true, you’ve got the scoop (errr...bite? ?) of the decade, @ASPhotoman Great photos and tour. Honestly looks good and SO glad to finally see an apartment project in Cleveland without carpet. Impressions bode well for what we can expect for NuCLEus. Certainly...thinking different ?
August 16, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: Great pictures. It looks like interiors have high-quality appliances/fixtures. Thank you! Nothing felt cheap about these places at all.
August 16, 20195 yr Wow! Very nice pictures... and it must be early or I haven't had enough coffee because it took me a good couple of minutes to figure out what fruit store meant ??
August 16, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: @ASPhotoman How sure are you of this "fruit store?" ? I can't be sure. Just going off what I heard, so fingers crossed!
August 16, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, ASP1984 said: Those pictures are enough to make me want to move back to Cleveland. Hmmm maybe I'll actually take my camera next time and go through other apartments soon to be leasing downtown. Maybe I can do my part in getting people back to town. ?
August 16, 20195 yr On 6/27/2019 at 10:13 AM, KJP said: Stark rep at 5th Annual CRE Summit just said Beacon began soft leasing (no advertising) in February. Got 550 prospects right away. Building is now 60% preleased. Stark rep anticipates building will fill its 187 units within first year of opening. According to a June post Beacon was 60% pre-leased. This contradicts todays post that it is 20% leased.
August 16, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, simplythis said: According to a June post Beacon was 60% pre-leased. This contradicts todays post that it is 20% leased. Perhaps I misunderstood and what they meant is 20% of the building was currently occupied.
August 16, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said: Perhaps I misunderstood and what they meant is 20% of the building was currently occupied. Correct. I'm pretty sure the building is currently 20% occupied. 60% of the building is reserved, so another 40% still need to choose whether or not they're moving in. (Or maybe their rooms aren't finished yet) Edited August 16, 20195 yr by CLE_Millennial
August 16, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, CLE_Millennial said: Correct. I'm pretty sure the building is currently 20% occupied. 60% of the building is reserved, so another 40% still need to choose whether or not they're moving in. (Or maybe their rooms aren't finished yet) Thanks for clarifying. I thought 20% seems a bit low considering how nice these are.
August 16, 20195 yr Great photos @BJBaes looking through the different views- it'd be tough to nail down which direction I'd want to face! The apartments and views look great!
August 16, 20195 yr 19 hours ago, ASPhotoman said: The balcony level is fully leased and currently has a five year waiting list. If true - I find this quite impressive. Here's a screenshot of pricing for a 1,000 sqft Terrace unit. $3,417 ?! Can that be right?
August 17, 20195 yr 13 hours ago, West153 said: If true - I find this quite impressive. Here's a screenshot of pricing for a 1,000 sqft Terrace unit. $3,417 ?! Can that be right? That seems incredibly high for a 1x1 (even a 2x2). My rent in a (2x2) in downtown MIA, brand new building, 24th floor, all stainless steel, hardwood floors, 500 ft2 balcony, floor to ceiling windows, pool/jacuzzi, gym, social room with great views of SOBE, cruise ship channel/ocean and downtown is 2/3 the price. Edited August 17, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder Missing info
August 17, 20195 yr 13 hours ago, West153 said: If true - I find this quite impressive. Here's a screenshot of pricing for a 1,000 sqft Terrace unit. $3,417 ?! Can that be right? Yeah, that seems to be right. The first one in my photos was with the two walls of windows I believe went for $3k/mo. I believe they said the level with balconies were close to $5k/mo.
August 26, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 29, 20195 yr I wish one of “Stark’s other tweets” was about how Nucleus was actually going forward. And specifically on the Beacon, I’ve been wondering if we’re still going to see the signage atop the Tower.
August 29, 20195 yr Great photos, thanks ASPhotoman. The place looks really nice. And you were able to capture a flying saucer over the city in Photo #3--I knew they were real!
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