October 21, 200519 yr How long was the Pinnacle garage there before Pinnacle. By the way, they must have put up another piece of glass, what happened to the updates??
October 21, 200519 yr I believe the Pinnacle garage was a former warehouse, converted for parking. It was not built with Pinnacle in mind. KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 21, 200519 yr ^The garage had to have been built with the Pinnacle in mind. THe inner core of a warehouse could never support a 12 story addition atop it nor could the conventional spread/footer/column pad for a warehouse support the addition.
October 21, 200519 yr depending on when these buildings were built, it was fairly common in cleveland during the growth years to actually size the buildings to support upward additions. Obviously, many of the buildings in the warehouse area were not built this way b/c they are old and meant to be 4 story or 6 story buildings, however it wouldn't surprise me that this warehouse/parking structure may have been built with upward additions in mind. i haven't seen the inside of the garage, but it almost appears that in the pinnacle case, they may have transferred most of the weight to the new steel skeleton, in which case, the garage itself would not have had to be built with upward additions in mind. Any insights?
October 22, 200519 yr Urbanlife, I believe you're correct -- the Pinnacle's support is independent of the warehouse. Its skeleton kind of "wraps around" the exterior of the warehouse to anchor at street level.
October 22, 200519 yr i have to laugh that we've discussed a parking garage for 163 posts.........what are we, detroit?
October 22, 200519 yr i have to laugh that we've discussed a parking garage for 163 posts.........what are we, detroit? Not exactly, no.
October 22, 200519 yr Any word on the tenants? Unfortunately, I'm not too confident that we'll see any tenants until the Euclid Corridor construction is wrapped up. I wouldn't want to open my business here with the amount of heavy machinery that's out front right now and nothing to separate us but a big sheet of glass! I hope I'm wrong, though, cause I walk by here every day and I could use some new shoes...Camper, perhaps? Kenneth Cole? I could even buy my girl some makeup if there was something in a...say...Sephora?
October 23, 200519 yr I would agree that leasings on Lower Euclid may be sparse until the completion of the Corridor. I talked to someone close to the leasing operations for one of the buildings in Playhouse Square, and potential tenants are paying for options to the storefronts in that building that would allow them the opportunity to lease after the completion of the Corridor. I also heard from a non-profit currently headquartered in a storefront on Lower Euclid that they will likely be forced out at the end of their lease, due to cost projections for the space based on a completed Corridor.
October 23, 200519 yr What is the timetable for Euclid Ave construction to be finished between Public Sq. and E. 9th?
October 24, 200519 yr you have to dig deeper. they have updated the timeline in only certain sections. i have emailed a few times regarding conflicting data and lack of updates - check out the press release and recent update sections. very slim pickings here. In good RTA style, no response or corrections made. Hello? this is one of the biggest construction projects in cleveland now. What I also don't understand is why the Public Square to Innerbelt portion was slated to be completed AFTER the Innerbelt to E.79th street section. This never made any sense and is actually penalizing downtown by keeping merchants away from the storefronts even longer than needed.
October 24, 200519 yr yes, that is an interesting choice, but I would like to think that there's a good reason for it! anyone here on the Citizen's Advisory Committee for the RTA?
July 28, 200618 yr Author Type: Mixed-Use Project Name: 515 Euclid Avenue Parking Garage & Tower City: Cleveland State: OH Client: Ohio Savings Bank Features: 524-car spaces on seven supported levels plus grade with 11,000 sq. ft. of ground level commercial/retail space, 20,000 sq. ft. ballroom and 240 residential units. Description: The 515 Euclid Building is situated on the northwest corner of East 6th Street and Euclid Avenue. It is a mixed-use development designed to house 524 parking spaces beneath a 240 unit high rise, luxury condominium tower. It will also contain a 20,000 square foot ballroom and 11,000 square feet of grade level commercial retail. The urban site has dictated an architectural solution conducive of a downtown office building. The structural framing system is cast-in-place concrete with a combination of glass and cast stone panels as the architectural facade material. The pictures above show the completion of the 524 space parking garage and the rendering on the right shows the next phase of this project, a 19-story vertical condominium addition. DESMAN is the prime Architect and Structural Engineer of Record and Parking Consultant. Richard Fleischman Architects are the Design Architects. thats what it says on the architech website
November 13, 200618 yr I would agree that leasings on Lower Euclid may be sparse until the completion of the Corridor. I talked to someone close to the leasing operations for one of the buildings in Playhouse Square, and potential tenants are paying for options to the storefronts in that building that would allow them the opportunity to lease after the completion of the Corridor. I also heard from a non-profit currently headquartered in a storefront on Lower Euclid that they will likely be forced out at the end of their lease, due to cost projections for the space based on a completed Corridor. DAMN IT! So we're stuck with Spookytown Avenue until at least 2008?? I walk by the 515 storefronts and think of all the cool stores that could go in there. But it'd be pretty stupid to open something knowing how hard street/sidewalk construction hurts a business.
November 13, 200618 yr ^I've heard that the Hanna Building is not going to put its first floor vacancies on the market until the Silverline is up and running.
November 13, 200618 yr And while these vacancies suck now, the delay does give the Design District time to get off the ground. If the District can get at least a dozen showrooms lined up, ready to open with the completion of the ECP, it will certainly up the ante for neighboring retail along lower Euclid.
November 13, 200618 yr And while these vacancies suck now, the delay does give the Design District time to get off the ground. If the District can get at least a dozen showrooms lined up, ready to open with the completion of the ECP, it will certainly up the ante for neighboring retail along lower Euclid. I would hope that either the design showrooms in Beachwood move downtown (sucks for me but for the greater good of the city) or those showrooms open up second locations and NEW showrooms come into the market!
August 1, 200816 yr I've renamed this topic to delete the word "garage" from its title and moved it back to projects/construction since it now appears this is finally becoming more than just a big parking deck on Euclid... http://clevelandcityliving.blogspot.com/2008/08/gateway-church-to-open-downtown-cafe.html Friday, August 1, 2008 Gateway Church to Open Downtown Cafe Can a Downtown Christian Church really run a business? When you consider all the people and parts that make up the congregation, the answer looks to be "Absolutely!" Information is beginning to pour in about this future addition to Downtown Cleveland. No matter what your faith is, this is defintely a project worth supporting. "Nexus" which means "a place of connection," is the vision of the Gateway Church lead by Pastor Alex Ennes. The video for the project is on YouTube here: NEXUS. The plans highlight a grand opening at the 515 Euclid Avenue Building, but the actual site remains to be finalized. So what is this Gateway Church? Besides being a Christian church giving weekly services in downtown Cleveland (at Pickwick and Frolic), Gateway is a service based organization that supports our downtown. If you stroll down West 9th St. and see flowers that look brand new, trees planted where they never used to be, and hedges pruned where there used to be overgrowth, there's a good chance Gateway was behind it. The members of Gateway Church support the motto: Love :: Live :: Serve. Live, refers to living in community- in this case Cleveland. Serve, refers to serving the city. Pastor Alex told me a while back that he believes people are better supported by each other and serve more freely when they live in highly concentrated communities. Our Downtown needed just that! In just over a year, Gateway Church has become a staple in our downtown community. The concept for Nexus, while risky, is already supported by over $50,000 of capital, and this is just the early planning stages. If you'd like to help with Nexus, or if you're interested in the church itself, visit http://www.gatewaycleveland.com/ and fill out a contact form. Posted by ScottPhillipsJr at 8:23 AM "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 1, 200816 yr I like it. Even if your faith (or non-belief) doesn't agree with them, what a great show of community, and nice mixed-used space. I'd be very happy to see it happen.
August 1, 200816 yr Hi all, So much for some upscale retail. Hopefully they are not a hellfire and brimstone kind of church. Warm nuzzles and bear hugz to all. Jim S.
August 1, 200816 yr Worlds Biggest Church Coffeehouse! That is seriously a strange mix of religion and downtown development.
August 1, 200816 yr ^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses I don't know. my church does donuts after the 10 AM once a month.
August 1, 200816 yr the goldberg's should never be allowed to develop another property again. Please... stick to banking.
August 1, 200816 yr ^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses I'm sure there are many out there, but usually not in enormous, brand-new storefronts with 15 ft ceilings. In the video they described blowing through the studs of an unfinished interior wall, so maybe it will occupy two gigantic storefronts. Sounds cozy. Will these guys really be able to afford higher rent than the furniture store idea that the these landlords poo-pooed?
August 1, 200816 yr Better Luck next week on the development news front. This week was booooooring. Dimora jinxed us from the start.
August 1, 200816 yr Will these guys really be able to afford higher rent than the furniture store idea that the these landlords poo-pooed? The only person that knows this is the church and the leasing agent. You don't really think they would let them rent out space without the proper finances? Come on guys its development or is this a case of sour grapes. Next we'll hear, "Yes, it is development, but on the other hand we should expect better!"? It hasn't even opened, we have not seen the finished store or seen a product line. This guy seems genuine, hyped and excited about being in downtown. Why not invite him to the conversation, to find out more, instead of skeptical?
August 1, 200816 yr ^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses I'm sure there are many out there, but usually not in enormous, brand-new storefronts with 15 ft ceilings. In the video they described blowing through the studs of an unfinished interior wall, so maybe it will occupy two gigantic storefronts. Sounds cozy. I see a chance to recycle the stained glass windows Seicer discovered http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,297.0/msg,312319.html Regarding the use, I guess I'm ok with it. Better this than an empty storefront. As long as they can pay the rent, and don't prosletize over my morning bagel, I'm good with the idea.
August 1, 200816 yr ^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses I'm sure there are many out there, but usually not in enormous, brand-new storefronts with 15 ft ceilings. In the video they described blowing through the studs of an unfinished interior wall, so maybe it will occupy two gigantic storefronts. Sounds cozy. I see a chance to recycle the stained glass windows Seicer discovered http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,297.0/msg,312319.html LMAO!!!
August 1, 200816 yr If it is anything like Trinity Commons, it will be very low key about being religiously founded. It is really just a nice cafe. I think we will see the same thing here.
August 1, 200816 yr I've actually been meaning to check out Gateway Church. They were meeting at Pickwick and Frolic on Sundays. There was a write up about them a few months back and they actually sound like very nice people.
August 1, 200816 yr ^Their work and focus on civic improvement sounds very admirable and a wonderful presence in the community. The only person that knows this is the church and the leasing agent. You don't really think they would let them rent out space without the proper finances? And if there was any indication that Goldberg was on board, my skepticism would melt away instantly. Did you see the video? It was literally requesting donations to make this project happen. Maybe we should start a collection for a high end fashion retailer. I'm not against this project at all, I'm just trying to sort our what to make of it. Sure, Trinity Cathedral has Trinity Commons, but that occupies tax exempt church-owned property and is bankrolled by one of the deepest pocketed congregations in the state. The economics of this project are completely different.
August 2, 200816 yr ^Is this like a common concept that I'm just ignorant to? Church coffee houses A similar concept with two locations in Northeast Ohio (Middleburg and Mentor) and also a location in Gahanna http://www.seekerscoffeehouse.com/v5/2.0.0.php Our Mission Statement Seekers® Coffee House & Café is a God ordained vision. Our purpose is to unite all people, especially Christians, and to "subtly" evangelize to non-believers. This is accomplished by creating a coffee house & café atmosphere that provides a venue for ALL people to gather. Franchise opportunities available... See also: http://www.christiancoffeehouse.info/find.htm
August 2, 200816 yr Even as a practising Catholic, I can't see how this would be good unless they really kept their religious affiliation on the downlow. I don't see downtown populations as particularly religious people either... I dunno, I am just going to be kind of cautious before I welcome to openly.
August 2, 200816 yr I know of another church which I used to attend in the Cleveland area that has long held a similar vision. They basically want to create a niche for themselves in the community, not scream at people and insult them. I think some of us may be letting a negative bias for religion impede our views of this project. A cafe could create a cool spot in the neighborhood that would help bring even more life to the area. Let's at least wait to hear more about the plans before knocking it out of a distaste for Christianity. That doesn't even make sense.
August 2, 200816 yr With all due respect to the more spiriual on this board, in no way can I see this as a good thing, regardless of how much of a reasonable, nice guy the man in MTS' video appeared. We have a diverse downtown and city in terms of race, ethnic, religious, sex-orientation, etc... We need major downtown venues, esp in such key locations like this one for downtown's present and future, to be welcoming and comfortable to ALL people and not just Christians. There are much, much better uses for this space and, I for one, hope their fundraising for this space by Gateway Church is unsuccessful.
August 2, 200816 yr I knew it. Something is happening and we're all having a "cleveland.bomb" moment. Apparently no other business has SUCCESSFULLY moved into the space and you folks complain BEFORE even seeing LTP, financial package, construction & building plans/blueprints, product lines, decor, etc. This could turn out to be a really interesting and as a café keep people on the street since it is in a prominent location. I sincerely hope that the folks here on UO can be impartial until all detail and information on this project are released, before condemning the business.
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