May 22, 20232 yr yes the little neighborhood around the old juvenile justice center to tri-c is quiet and very cool. its needs to be at least left alone and intact until a proper, broad cap can connect it to the burgeoning cle state campus neighborhood above it. what an awesome, very hipster AND community services oriented, think about it, urban stretch that could be from cle state down to tri-c. it needs a proper wideazz real cap to make that happen. this lazy, knock stuff down/half measure capbridge idea needs pushed back.
May 25, 20232 yr On 5/22/2023 at 10:51 AM, acd said: I'm not very familiar with the JCC, so I can't comment on its loss, but I do like the reorientation of the roads that accompanies capping the overpass. The Cedar Ave overpass and Carnegie off-ramp are both removed. This makes the on-ramp intersection for Carnegie much less complicated and opens up a larger parcel with development potential across from the Wolstein Center. Removing the off-ramp to Carnegie opens up an even larger parcel between Carnegie and Cedar. Traffic at the South end of the overpass might become an issue with Cedar and Central so close to one another and a seemingly short ramp from 90, but overall I think it's an improvement. Is this the JCC building they're proposing to knock down?
May 25, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, ASP1984 said: Is this the JCC building they're proposing to knock down? Yes.
May 25, 20232 yr It’s funny how if that same building was in OHC tremont university circle Gordon square and a developer was going to tear it down the commission would be up in arms but because it’s a city backed project they’re just free to do whatever (although I do realize the other neighborhoods are in historic districts)
May 25, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Foraker said: Yes. Jesus Christ. All for a road project. Anyone know if this has been approved? Or is there still time to submit comments?
May 25, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, ASP1984 said: Jesus Christ. All for a road project. Anyone know if this has been approved? Or is there still time to submit comments? So nothing is official - County Council would have to vote on this and it hasn't even been brought forward. Chris R. made it sound a lot more complete than it actually is. If folks don't want it torn down you'll have to make a stink with county council.
May 26, 20232 yr On 5/25/2023 at 12:22 PM, BoomerangCleRes said: It’s funny how if that same building was in OHC tremont university circle Gordon square and a developer was going to tear it down the commission would be up in arms but because it’s a city backed project they’re just free to do whatever (although I do realize the other neighborhoods are in historic districts) Sorry, but no new historic districts will be created in Cleveland's future. The governing voices of our fair city plan to tear down the fabric of this area to widen a boring bridge with extra layers of flat, stale, boring-ness. There is a likelihood though of even more dead urban trees, which in their own way are a historic indicator of Cleveland and will thus lend a true sense of Cleveland as a place. Extant structures with 20th-century architectural interest, that define the progressive optimistic history of our town, have no place now and do. not. belong. UPDATE: Please pardon my facetiousness in this post , but ugh! Losing this will hurt and will surely be felt. Those who examine future collections of photos showing Cleveland's demolished structures (and that is a long sad book, I will tell you) are likely to ask - " Why in God's name would they tear down something like this in order to basically do nothing better in its place. Edited May 26, 20232 yr by ExPatClevGuy
May 26, 20232 yr Wrote the following letter to County Council - ya'll feel free to copy-paste and do the same. "To Chris Ronayne and the other Members of County Council: I'm writing to STRONGLY OPPOSE the proposed demolition of the JCC Building on the corner of East 22nd and Cedar Ave so we can widen a stupid bridge. This building is historic in nature and represents unique Cleveland history that we cannot replace. The County's preference to knock down this irreplaceable structure for - of all things - a ROAD project - is SHORT SIGHTED at best. Being next to the Campus District, the County should instead focus on preserving what makes the area unique and do its part to position this building for redevelopment. Its this kind of past-honoring, future-forward thinking that makes cities an attractive place to live - its what gives them character. If the County was redeveloping the parcel for another structure I could understand - but for a road project? Get real. This antiquated style of knock-down thinking should stay in the 1970's where it belongs. It has no place in the Cleveland of today and in the Cleveland that is yet to come. It also reflects poorly Cuyahoga County "leadership" - you will all look like short-sighted fools if you go through with this. Best, XXX Aka, a Mid-30's Professional who moved to Cleveland a year ago in part because of his love for the historic nature of this city and its future potential." Edited May 26, 20232 yr by ASP1984
May 26, 20232 yr I've always thought the JCC should be an urban charter school with residential facilities for threatened or difficult pupils - not a jail, just a more structured environment. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 21, 20231 yr Seeds & Sprouts XXIX – CSU to start arena plans, Downtown garage demo, Olde Cedar’s replacement By Ken Prendergast / June 21, 2023 Cleveland State University is about to start work on plans for a new arena, a downtown parking garage will be demolished -- for a parking lot, and one of the oldest public housing projects in the USA along with the old juvenile justice center will be demolished for a mixed-income housing complex. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/21/seeds-sprouts-xxix-csu-to-start-arena-plans-downtown-garage-demo-olde-cedars-replacement/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 21, 20231 yr 39 minutes ago, KJP said: Seeds & Sprouts XXIX – CSU to start arena plans, Downtown garage demo, Olde Cedar’s replacement By Ken Prendergast / June 21, 2023 Cleveland State University is about to start work on plans for a new arena, a downtown parking garage will be demolished -- for a parking lot, and one of the oldest public housing projects in the USA along with the old juvenile justice center will be demolished for a mixed-income housing complex. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/21/seeds-sprouts-xxix-csu-to-start-arena-plans-downtown-garage-demo-olde-cedars-replacement/ If they're trying to improve the pedestrian and bike connectivity over I-90, and they're not doing a real cap, they should at least leave the existing Cedar Avenue overpass as a pedestrian/bike path. I'm sure they can put some greenery on there as well.
June 21, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, ryanfrazier said: If they're trying to improve the pedestrian and bike connectivity over I-90, and they're not doing a real cap, they should at least leave the existing Cedar Avenue overpass as a pedestrian/bike path. I'm sure they can put some greenery on there as well. That’s seriously a wonderful idea. I mean, we can call it a cap, phase 1.
October 6, 20231 yr Seeds & Sprouts 33 – Sankofa Village Phase 4 coming, West 48th gets more townhomes, So might Midtown, Intro adding salon By Ken Prendergast / October 5, 2023 Sankofa Village to add its fourth, final phase The Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority (CMHA) and its Sankofa Village development team are making plans to build the fourth and final phase of the village, also called Cedar Redevelopment IV, in Cleveland’s Central neighborhood just east of downtown. This phase will see the addition of 50 mixed-income affordable apartments in five townhome buildings along the east and west sides of a newly constructed East 26th Street linking Community College and Central avenues. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/10/05/seeds-sprouts-33-sankofa-village-phase-4-coming-west-48th-gets-more-townhomes-so-might-midtown-intro-adding-salon/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20241 yr Yeah, this probably qualifies as one.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20241 yr Downtown’s largest housing project in the works By Ken Prendergast / February 23, 2024 With nearly 900 mixed-income apartments envisioned, a plan to develop the largest single housing development in Downtown Cleveland’s history is reportedly in the works. While it will take multiple phases and many years to build, the partners and the plans for the massive project are coming together. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/02/23/downtowns-largest-housing-project-in-the-works/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20241 yr I know it'd add a huge expense and it isn't realistic to keep it, but bummer that nearly every plan that comes out includes the demo of the old juvie building.
February 23, 20241 yr Losing the Old Juvenile Court building is annoying because we just tear history down, time after time after time.
February 23, 20241 yr ^ its a wonderful building — i toured it. its outrageous to lose it, but a boatload of new housing is a good get.
February 23, 20241 yr This development just increases my wish for the proposed E22nd cap to be more than a glorified wide sidewalk. Oh well, sad to see a beautiful, historic building go, happy to see more housing going in near downtown.
February 23, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Losing the Old Juvenile Court building is annoying because we just tear history down, time after time after time. Asbestos, and it would apparently be very expensive to make the interior residence suitable. The "p word" is a concern too.
February 23, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, KJP said: Downtown’s largest housing project in the works By Ken Prendergast / February 23, 2024 With nearly 900 mixed-income apartments envisioned, a plan to develop the largest single housing development in Downtown Cleveland’s history is reportedly in the works. While it will take multiple phases and many years to build, the partners and the plans for the massive project are coming together. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/02/23/downtowns-largest-housing-project-in-the-works/ Unless they intend to "mix income" with senior housing, I'm skeptical how they are going to make it work.
February 23, 20241 yr Can ODOT not help themselves doing stuff like this on the new extension between cedar and Carnegie. 😮💨
February 23, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Asbestos, and it would apparently be very expensive to make the interior residence suitable. The "p word" is a concern too. Pardon my ignorance but what is the "P word"
February 23, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Downtown’s largest housing project in the works By Ken Prendergast / February 23, 2024 With nearly 900 mixed-income apartments envisioned, a plan to develop the largest single housing development in Downtown Cleveland’s history is reportedly in the works. While it will take multiple phases and many years to build, the partners and the plans for the massive project are coming together. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/02/23/downtowns-largest-housing-project-in-the-works/ How much better would it be with the downtown subway proposal: When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
February 23, 20241 yr Or an at-grade downtown loop. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20241 yr It would really be nice if they try to save at least some of the mature trees when they redevelop this site and Woodhill. Maybe design the new buildings around the existing layout, if only partly around it. Or at least identify in advance which of the old trees won't be in the way of anything new and protect them (and their roots) during construction. Too often I see the land cleared down to bare dirt when one of these projects begins.
February 23, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, viscomi said: Can ODOT not help themselves doing stuff like this on the new extension between cedar and Carnegie. 😮💨 Can someone explain to me why the Cedar Ave bridge over the innerbelt needs demolished? Can we not just green cap it and make it pedestrian? No more road salt or 10000lbs vehicles going over it anymore should expand its life dramatically.
February 23, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, mrnyc said: ^ its a wonderful building — i toured it. its outrageous to lose it, but a boatload of new housing is a good get. Maybe. We could easily lose this building and nothing replaces it. We'll see how funding comes together, I remember Woodhill station benefited from that huge HUD award.
February 24, 20241 yr 22 hours ago, freefourur said: Pardon my ignorance but what is the "P word" What we always discuss with new residential developments: parking.
February 24, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: What we always discuss with new residential developments: parking. Have no fear, more parking will always win out over good urban design, greenspace, walkability, affordability, sustainability, or just about anything else. God forbid we occasionally complain about it here on a website devoted to all those other things!
February 25, 20241 yr 20 hours ago, X said: Have no fear, more parking will always win out over good urban design, greenspace, walkability, affordability, sustainability, or just about anything else. God forbid we occasionally complain about it here on a website devoted to all those other things! Yes, of course. It will be an issue with doing anything residential with the old juvie court, that's the point.
February 25, 20241 yr On 5/26/2023 at 10:59 AM, Dougal said: I've always thought the JCC should be an urban charter school with residential facilities for threatened or difficult pupils - not a jail, just a more structured environment. That's actually a pretty good idea, though a residential school should perhaps be further from the root causes of the threats and difficulties. But I believe asbestos and ADA makes it impractical with this building.
February 25, 20241 yr 35 minutes ago, E Rocc said: That's actually a pretty good idea, though a residential school should perhaps be further from the root causes of the threats and difficulties. But I believe asbestos and ADA makes it impractical with this building. I like that idea as well. And alternate take on it is being in close proximity to CSU and Tri-C could provide a good atmosphere for young people. Just hate seeing us lose that really cool looking architecture, oh well. And since we're in the campus district thread, does anyone know if these two schools have a plan to share any resources? It would seem redundant e.g. for both to have separate intramural facilities and fields.
February 26, 20241 yr 22 hours ago, E Rocc said: That's actually a pretty good idea, though a residential school should perhaps be further from the root causes of the threats and difficulties. But I believe asbestos and ADA makes it impractical with this building. Asbestos abatement needs to happen whether the building is being repurposed or demolished. So why demolish at that point? ODOT doesn’t need this space for construction staging. There’s so many other options already available. The Black Oxide site, and massive parking lot next to it come to mind.
August 10, 2024Aug 10 This project is a beneficiary of the state's Brownfield grants "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 1, 2024Nov 1 The Women's Religious Archives Collaborative Heritage Center received final design approval for their new building on East 22nd at todays CPC meeting. Project groundbreaking is planned for March. Some more information on the project:
November 5, 2024Nov 5 Women Religious Archives Center OK’d for downtown By Ken Prendergast / November 4, 2024 As fundraising continues, the nation’s first independent repository for Catholic Sisters’ archival collections could see construction start in March 2025 on the southeast side of Downtown Cleveland. The planned Women Religious Archives Collaborative (WRAC) Heritage Center at 2490 E. 22nd St. will offer public programming, exhibitions, meeting space, and be an important place for research and remembrance due to open in 2026. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/11/04/women-religious-archives-center-okd-for-downtown/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 2024Nov 10 Boom! Coming after midnight... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 2024Nov 10 26 minutes ago, KJP said: Boom! Coming after midnight... Old Cedar Estates update?
November 10, 2024Nov 10 St. Vincent Charity Medical Center to be demolished By Ken Prendergast / November 10, 2024 In just three years, St. Vincent Charity Medical Center, 2351 E. 22nd St,, went from planning a major expansion to requesting the demolition of nearly its entire main campus to the southeast of Downtown Cleveland. Plans were submitted to the city’s Building Department on Friday for demolishing all but 18,000 square feet of the 449,338-square-foot campus. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/11/10/st-vincent-charity-medical-center-to-be-demolished/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 2024Nov 10 Devastating news. Absolutely tragic what Catholic Charities did to that hospital.
November 10, 2024Nov 10 ^ Point of order - St Vincent Charity Hospital was run by the Sisters of Charity Foundation, founded by the Sisters of Charity of St Augustine , a congregation of nuns based in Richfield. The same order of nuns also ran St John West Shore in Westlake (sold to UH in 2015 after partnering with the nuns since 1999) and Mercy Medical Center in Canton (sold to CCF in 2021 while still "sponsored" by the Catholic nuns). They still operate many charitable projects in Cleveland, as well as two retirement facilities (Regina in Northfield, Light of Hearts Villa in Bedford). https://srsofcharity.org/index.php/csa-ministries/ The downfall of St Vincent is more reflective of the aging and declining population of nuns, and the lack of a willing partner to carry on their operations in a challenging healthcare environment. It met the same fate as many other local hospitals over the years... Deaconess, St Alexis/St Michael, St Luke, Mt Sinai, etc. Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Cleveland ccdocle.org has never been responsible for the operations of St Vincent Charity. Edited November 10, 2024Nov 10 by buckeye1
November 10, 2024Nov 10 27 minutes ago, TR said: Could this site be used for a new stadium? It is not a big enough site for an NFL stadium.
November 10, 2024Nov 10 43 minutes ago, TR said: Could this site be used for a new stadium? If you are suggesting the NFL sure. I bet good old loyal GOPer Haslam is rubbing his hands together imagining his stadium right next to acres of public housing.
November 10, 2024Nov 10 34 minutes ago, freefourur said: It is not a big enough site for an NFL stadium. Not the hospital site by itself but if added to the Juvenile Justice Center and Olde Cedar (31 acres +/-), it would be. But the optics of tearing down public housing for a billionaire's playhouse might just ignite the revolution against the oligarchs that simmers just below the surface in America. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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