February 10, 20169 yr I'd hate to see another parking garage go up on Euclid. It would be very possible to build a garage pedestal set back from Euclid, and then build the tower in the space between Euclid and the garage, and also on top of the garage. I have a feeling Geis never even thought about that, though.
February 10, 20169 yr ^Geis is not the developer of this project. He has been linked to the city-owned lots on Chester near the Greyhound Station. This is a Playhouse Square Foundation project. It calls for 600 parking spaces. Again, the phase I parking pedestal + phase 2 tower is only my speculation based on putting some tidbits together.
February 10, 20169 yr ^ Hm, I'm not sure why I thought it was Geis. Must be mixing up projects. Still, my sentiment stands. 600 spaces is a lot, but I still think it might be possible to keep the parking garage section away from Euclid.
February 10, 20169 yr ^ Hm, I'm not sure why I thought it was Geis. Must be mixing up projects. Still, my sentiment stands. 600 spaces is a lot, but I still think it might be possible to keep the parking garage section away from Euclid. I would assume they would do storefronts on Euclid to mask the fact that it's a garage and to bring in more retail/restaurant space.
February 10, 20169 yr ^Geis is not the developer of this project. He has been linked to the city-owned lots on Chester near the Greyhound Station. This is a Playhouse Square Foundation project. It calls for 600 parking spaces. Again, the phase I parking pedestal + phase 2 tower is only my speculation based on putting some tidbits together. You sure?
February 10, 20169 yr The guys at Cresco are making a big deal of the high-rise residential aspect of this project. To market the retail frontage, they really need the residential. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 10, 20169 yr ^ Hm, I'm not sure why I thought it was Geis. Must be mixing up projects. Still, my sentiment stands. 600 spaces is a lot, but I still think it might be possible to keep the parking garage section away from Euclid. I would assume they would do storefronts on Euclid to mask the fact that it's a garage and to bring in more retail/restaurant space. Well yeah of course they'll have storefronts. I'm talking about the upper floors of the garage. It would be so much better to have apartment windows facing the street on the lower levels of the tower. On most streets, I'd be fine with a garage, but this is Euclid which I think we should hold to pretty high standards.
February 10, 20169 yr http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/lakefront_pedestrian_bridge_to.html I forgot to post this bullet point in Michelle Jarboe's PD article last week about the GCP wishlist for state capital funding: "* A parking garage that could be part of a larger, mixed-use project in Cleveland's theater district. Playhouse Square is hoping for $4 million to help pay for the garage. The nonprofit operator of the theaters has talked about building a parking structure on the south side of Euclid Avenue, on property that is now a surface lot."
February 10, 20169 yr http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/lakefront_pedestrian_bridge_to.html I forgot to post this bullet point in Michelle Jarboe's PD article last week about the GCP wishlist for state capital funding: "* A parking garage that could be part of a larger, mixed-use project in Cleveland's theater district. Playhouse Square is hoping for $4 million to help pay for the garage. The nonprofit operator of the theaters has talked about building a parking structure on the south side of Euclid Avenue, on property that is now a surface lot." Then I can see why this is seen as a two-phase project. The subsidy for the apartment tower is the state-funded parking garage, so funding for the garage must come first. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 10, 20169 yr ^Geis is not the developer of this project. He has been linked to the city-owned lots on Chester near the Greyhound Station. This is a Playhouse Square Foundation project. It calls for 600 parking spaces. Again, the phase I parking pedestal + phase 2 tower is only my speculation based on putting some tidbits together. A while ago in this thread, people had confused this site with another that Geis was supposedly pursuing. My response was referencing that. So is it possible that he'd also be partnering with PSF on this project? Sure, but I have no info that would confirm or deny that. Sounds like you may know more about this? You sure?
February 11, 20169 yr I saw some info and renderings on the potential mixed-use building that has been talked about for the Euclid/E17th surface lot. I didn't hear that this is the exact plan, but by reading between the lines I think that they may go the Euclid 515 route and build a parking garage first and then follow up with a tower when the demand and financing is aligned. Didn't think demand was an issue but financing may be so it's best to get as many projects financed, the sooner the better. Another real estate bubble is percolating out there. I have the same feeling and nervous about another looming economic slowdown...
February 11, 20169 yr I wonder if this elevation is part of what is planned Negative. What's planned is more vertical.
February 11, 20169 yr Cresco says it's 30 stories. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 29, 20169 yr Regarding reusing of our greyhound station, Savannah GA is another good example for repurposing an Art Deco station into a centerpiece: http://www.foodandwine.com/slideshows/restaurants-year-2015-winners https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/how-a-greyhound-station-in-savannah-became-a-hit-new-resturant/2015/02/26/10d16a6e-b946-11e4-aa05-1ce812b3fdd2_story.html
March 9, 20169 yr I came across this rendering today of a Downtown Indy Development underway, and right away the Greyhound Station in CLE came to mind. The design of this Indy apt building, or something similar would be something I would like to see happen as part of a Greyhound station redevelopment in CLE The curved lines would be very complementary to the Art Deco style of the Greyhound Station. I can envision an apt/condo building on the north side of the station, and another one on the east side of the station. The western side could be repurposed as a park for the development as a whole. http://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/market-sq-development-2.jpg http://flco.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/South-West-Day_smaller-980x530.jpg
March 9, 20169 yr Random thought here, but I wonder if PHS plans on essentially replacing the parking in the current Chester Ave. garage with the spaces in the base of the proposed Euclid Ave tower. This would create more sidewalk life by forcing patrons to cross Euclid Ave to get to most of the theaters (I think current PHS leadership has lamented the gerbil tube format for this reason), but it would also allow the Chester garage to be demoed.That garage sits across the street from the Greyhound Station. Without that garage, all of lower Chester would be a blank slate for attractive mixed use redevelopment.
March 9, 20169 yr ^That's a really interesting idea. Only downside I see would be that they would need a very large parking garage to replace the Chester garage and support a 30 story residential tower. It could end up being 10 stories of parking to fit onto the smaller lot.
March 9, 20169 yr That is a great idea. Some amateur cut and pasting by me from googlemaps shows the Euclid site footprint to only be about 5% smaller than the Chester one. Even if the garage did lose some capacity there's still plenty of parking around. My hovercraft is full of eels
March 9, 20169 yr X raises a good point. A new garage meant to accommodate the current demand plus new demand from a tower would have to be huge. Still, there could be some extra flexibility here, if nothing else. Having a garage across Euclid built before a later tower phase (as 3231 speculated) would allow PHS to demolish the current garage and replace its capacity as part of new development along lower Chester.
March 9, 20169 yr Random thought here, but I wonder if PHS plans on essentially replacing the parking in the current Chester Ave. garage with the spaces in the base of the proposed Euclid Ave tower. This would create more sidewalk life by forcing patrons to cross Euclid Ave to get to most of the theaters (I think current PHS leadership has lamented the gerbil tube format for this reason), but it would also allow the Chester garage to be demoed.That garage sits across the street from the Greyhound Station. Without that garage, all of lower Chester would be a blank slate for attractive mixed use redevelopment. I'm not convinced that tearing down the Chester garage is a good idea. The lots between 17th and 18th, Euclid and Prospect, have recently been taken out of service for construction of the new apartment building on 18th & Euclid (and although it will include a parking garage will it just service tenants?), and the lot at 17th and Euclid seems a lot smaller than the current Chester garage. And the Chester garage has already been built -- seems a waste of resources to tear it down at this time. I'd like to see a garage incorporated into the Euclid site, but I'm not convinced that it could be big enough to support parking for a tower above it, event parking for the theaters, and the usual business parking currently in the Chester garage. There are a lot of daily users of that garage. I'd rather keep it and develop the all empty lots north of Chester. (Whatever happened to Cleveland's RFP for the lot just west of the Greyhound station?) I'd also like to see a residential tower on the lot to the west of the chester garage -- maybe slightly expanding the garage and connecting it to the new building. Ideally with some shopfronts on the street. The Chester garage itself is set back from Chester and does nothing for the street.
March 15, 20169 yr So it looks like the city is going to sit on the RFP for the parking lots between Chester, East 13th, Payne and the Greyhound station property until the new Greyhound/multimodal station on the lakefront can be built. And yes, that's going to be a "years-long" process, with federal money being sought to help pay for detailed design/engineering. The following confirms for me that, whatever developer is interested in this area (I'm hearing it's Geis) wants the entire block east to East 17th... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2016/03182016/index.php MANDATORY REFERRALS Ordinance No. 260-16(Ward 3/Councilmember Cimperman): Authorizing the Director of Community Development to lease certain property located at 1301-1325 Chester Avenue to Shaia Parking Inc., or its designee, for the purpose of operating a parking lot, for a term not to exceed five years; authorizing the Director of Community Development to enter into an Option to Purchase Agreement with Shaia Parking Inc., or its designee, in connection with the sale of the property; authorizing the Commissioner of Purchases and Supplies to convey the property, which is no longer needed for the City's use; and authorizing a project agreement. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 16, 20169 yr ^Looks like we need to get the multi-modal hub built (properly) then! Does that mean the developer that was interested in the Greyhound walked away? Or decided (was told) to wait?
March 16, 20169 yr Told to wait. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20169 yr theater renovations closing in on the finish line http://www.wkyc.com/mb/entertainment/playhouse-square-renovations-take-shape-ahead-of-rnc/88327589
March 23, 20169 yr Ohio Theatre returns to its 1921 splendor with renovations nearly complete KARIN CONNELLY RICE | TUESDAY, MARCH 22, 2016 The restoration of Playhouse Square’s Ohio Theatre lobby is almost complete, with the space returned to its original grandeur. The May completion will mark the final project on the Playhouse Square theater renovations list. Last Saturday, Tom Einhouse, Playhouse Square’s vice president of facilities and capital, led members of the Cleveland Restoration Society on a tour of the lobby, which has been shielded from public view by drywall during the restorations. He detailed the painstaking research and physical work that went into re-creating the 1921 Thomas Lamb design. Restoration began in June 2015. http://freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/OhioTheatre032216.aspx
March 23, 20169 yr Got a peak of the ceiling in the Ohio last night at the Broadway announcement. Very impressive work
March 23, 20169 yr Got a peak of the ceiling in the Ohio last night at the Broadway announcement. Very impressive work Oh wow... that is gorgeous. I love that we have these beautiful theaters here. Can you believe that it was mainly a movie house for two decades? This whole complex is a gem and I am glad it is getting this kind of attention to detail in its continued maintenance and restoration.
March 23, 20169 yr While we're on the topic... Cleveland and PHS got a lot of love from special guests at the Broadway release last night. Some from NYC and LA, all were so impressed with PHS and the arts support in Cleveland. One of the producers of the show "Something Rotten" from LA said "I know LA is the entertainment capital of the world but coming here I have to say you guys are putting us to shame!" Pretty cool how PHS has really become a major player
March 26, 20169 yr While we're on the topic... Cleveland and PHS got a lot of love from special guests at the Broadway release last night. Some from NYC and LA, all were so impressed with PHS and the arts support in Cleveland. One of the producers of the show "Something Rotten" from LA said "I know LA is the entertainment capital of the world but coming here I have to say you guys are putting us to shame!" Pretty cool how PHS has really become a major player The Launch Party was impressive. I was never expecting all of that.
April 14, 20169 yr Parking-lot deal near Playhouse Square sets stage for mixed-use development By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer on April 14, 2016 at 3:11 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio – A lease deal approved this week at the edge of Cleveland's theater district sets the stage for mixed-use development to supplant another downtown parking lot. Cleveland City Council signed off Monday on an agreement to lease and eventually sell a publicly-owned parking lot to the Shaia family's Victory Properties, Inc. The surface lot, at 1325 Chester Ave., sits north of the Playhouse Square theaters, between the Greyhound bus station and the Reserve Square apartment complex. Paul Shaia, vice president at Shaia's Parking and Victory Properties, said his family will resurface and spruce up the 140-space lot, adding lighting and landscaping. He expects that work to be finished before mid-July, when crowds are scheduled to converge downtown for the Republican National Convention. But Shaia has bigger ambitions for the site, a 1.2-acre piece of pavement flanked by other real estate that could be bundled together and built on. MORE: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/04/parking-lot_deal_near_playhous.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20169 yr Wasn't the news I was hoping for when I opened the story. looks like Shaia just added a new parking lot to their portfolio. At least for 5 years. I don't see that company following through on anything more.
April 14, 20169 yr I thought the highly discussed new tower on Euclid Ave. was very close to being announced? Like a month(s) ago... Anyone hearing anything about THAT?
April 14, 20169 yr That is disappointing news. Leasing a parking lot to a parking lot operator with no experience doing mixed use development and expecting them to actually build something? It would have been better if the city waited 6 months and put out another RFP.
April 15, 20169 yr I thought the highly discussed new tower on Euclid Ave. was very close to being announced? Like a month(s) ago... Anyone hearing anything about THAT? The apartment tower is dependent on state funding for a parking deck that can be built on top of (like 515 Euclid). $4 million was requested from the state which, at this point, has only $1 million in the state capital budget bill for the deck. But things could change. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 15, 20169 yr As someone who is very interested, but certainly not "in the know", I'm a little confused - I've been hearing about how capacity is almost 100% for available apartments downtown with a waiting list of close to 2000 - seems like the city has incredible momentum - yet it also seems like this was somewhat of a heavy lift to interest developers even with the lure of a possible 30 story apartment tower. Is that a fair perception - and, if so - is/was hesitation due to something specific about the property or something very nearby - -or is it something more fundamental in the Cleveland market? (I ask understanding that this may still be good news and may lead to a big project in the semi-near future) Seems like PHS would be a very trendy address to have, but I wonder what you folks with expertise on the topic think.
April 15, 20169 yr Rents are still too low in Cleveland for adding new high-rise housing without subsidies. The publicly funded parking deck is proposed to be that subsidy for the 30-story tower. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 15, 20169 yr As for the Greyhound block, it's actually a benefit that the city has chosen a user for the city-owned lands even though it will be limited to improved parking until the city can build the new Greyhound station on the lakefront. But generating this revenue stream will help the city afford constructing the new Greyhound station so that the entire block can be redeveloped as a single, comprehensive, large-scale project. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 15, 20169 yr It worried me that they seemed hesitant to include retail, I understand that it isn't as visible but I'd rather a gamble than not include anything and be stuck with blank walls. Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk
April 15, 20169 yr Just because it doesn't have first floor retail doesn't mean it will be blank walls. See Neighborhood Launch / Bishops Walk in Columbus, for instance. I would rather have a high concentration of residential here and focus our attention on the Euclid/Prospect Corridor that could be a real urban shopping district
April 19, 20169 yr Does anyone have or remember if there were flat, 1 dimensional architectural drawings of the gate/archways? I feel like I remember some but I scoured the thread and couldn't locate any. I could use them for reference for a design project I'm doing. Sorry if off topic.
April 20, 20169 yr There's probably some in this thread -- if you're willing to sift through 45 pages to look for them. But you could narrow your search by googling when they were placed then look back from that date in this thread. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 20, 20169 yr Does anyone have or remember if there were flat, 1 dimensional architectural drawings of the gate/archways? I feel like I remember some but I scoured the thread and couldn't locate any. I could use them for reference for a design project I'm doing. Sorry if off topic. Check here: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/11012013/index.php
April 20, 20169 yr Does anyone have or remember if there were flat, 1 dimensional architectural drawings of the gate/archways? I feel like I remember some but I scoured the thread and couldn't locate any. I could use them for reference for a design project I'm doing. Sorry if off topic. Check here: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/11012013/index.php Good find! There's 56 renderings/graphics on the last five pages of the gallery. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 19, 20169 yr Historic Ohio Theatre lobby re-created 52 years after fire destroyed 1921 original By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer on May 19, 2016 at 2:50 PM, updated May 19, 2016 at 3:31 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio – Playhouse Square is turning back the clock 95 years in the Ohio Theatre lobby Thursday by unveiling a spectacular re-creation of the long-lost neo-Renaissance interior designed by architect Thomas Lamb. The original largely burned to a crisp in 1964, leaving little trace of its ornate splendor. Now, however, it's 1921 all over again. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2016/05/ohio_theatre_lobby_reborn_52_y.html
June 27, 20168 yr I might have said a swear word or two out loud when I saw this... :-o “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
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