August 30, 20231 yr Maybe the problem with downtown Cleveland is that it is too spread out with too many gaps in between. Once City Club and Centennial are completed, and hopefully a few other new developments are added to the mix, that should create more pedestrian traffic. Edited August 31, 20231 yr by LibertyBlvd
August 30, 20231 yr If we gossip enough about a Lumen 2 they'll be too embarrassed not to follow through. Let's start a rumor about a 500 footer! Misinformation clearly works in this country. /s
August 30, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, newyorker said: Stop! I grew up in Cleveland! I'm just keeping it real. I beleve there is enogh population downtown however for some reason it does translate to pedestrian traffic except for events. I just moved into downtown Cleveland from Chicago, so I get where you're coming from. To me the most glaring void is the lack of vitality once you get north of Chester and east of E. 12th. You really get a "no man's land" feeling over there. I think filling in this area out to the innerbelt would do wonders. The said, Playhouse Square is looking pretty good and this is the area where I decided to move to. A decade ago I certainly wouldn't have chose to live downtown.
August 30, 20231 yr Maybe the problem with downtown Cleveland is that it is too spread out with too many gaps in between. Once City Club and Centennial are completed, and hopefully a few other new developments will soon be added to the mix, that should create more pedestrian traffic. This is the exact point I was doing to make. PHS is on the edge of Downtown, so a few blocks away the activity drops off dramatically especially when CSU students aren't there. Combine that with the other side of Euclid being a dead zone due to a lack of ground floor activity, they are in a tough spot. US Bank plaza starting to be utilized properly plus the new building uses in PHS started to happen, that will be the saving grace for consistent activity in this part of downtown. I will say a restaurant/bar with garage style doors that open during warmer months with late hours would do wonders here. The current offerings seem closed off to the area and create that "dead" feel. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
August 31, 20231 yr 9 hours ago, newyorker said: Stop! I grew up in Cleveland! I'm just keeping it real. I beleve there is enogh population downtown however for some reason it does translate to pedestrian traffic except for events. I think it depends on the time of day. I was recently in town for almost a week and noticed lots of pedestrians, including babies and dogs, from about 4PM to 8PM all over downtown. The numbers were definitely greater than they had been on previous visits. Kind of quiet mid-morning, though. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
August 31, 20231 yr The old saying was that Downtown Cleveland rolled up its sidewalks after 5 pm. Now it rolls them out at 5 pm in some areas. Playhouse Square is one of the places where that's most true, due to its residential, restaurants and theaters combined with a decline in offices and retail over the years. The hope was that adding more residential would attract more retail and amenities and therefore encourage more offices. But no one foresaw the rise in e-commerce and remote working. Perhaps there's another trend around the corner that we can't see that will help or hurt downtown and especially Playhouse Square. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 31, 20231 yr Downtown Cleveland more than any other city I've been to has very specific Districts that are either busy or dead depending on day of the week and time of day. Civic District? Busy 9-5 other than conventions. Gateway, busy during sporting events. Warehouse? Nights and weekends. Flats? Summertime and especially nights. Playhouse Square? Nights. Campus district? Busy when schools in. 9-12 seems to always be some level of busy. I rarely see Euclid dead except early mornings. There always seems to be an event in one of the districts that pull people into it at hours they normally wouldn't be there either. Edited August 31, 20231 yr by KFM44107
August 31, 20231 yr 34 minutes ago, KFM44107 said: Downtown Cleveland more than any other city I've been to has very specific Districts that are either busy or dead depending on day of the week and time of day. Civic District? Busy 9-5 other than conventions. Gateway, busy during sporting events. Warehouse? Nights and weekends. Flats? Summertime and especially nights. Playhouse Square? Nights. Campus district? Busy when schools in. 9-12 seems to always be some level of busy. I rarely see Euclid dead except early mornings. There always seems to be an event in one of the districts that pull people into it at hours they normally wouldn't be there either. This demonstrates the importance of mixed uses within each district. Segregation of uses causes dead zones.
August 31, 20231 yr So what does Playhouse Square need to become busier during the day, assuming office and retail are not going to be available to any large degree? Perhaps it needs so much residential that the share of remote workers in those residential spaces will help keep the district active in daytime? Or perhaps it needs something else to capitalize on the district's "playhouse" moniker, such as more media outlets, production facilities, advertising firms, small-scale theaters/schools, etc? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 31, 20231 yr 29 minutes ago, KJP said: So what does Playhouse Square need to become busier during the day, assuming office and retail are not going to be available to any large degree? Perhaps it needs so much residential that the share of remote workers in those residential spaces will help keep the district active in daytime? Or perhaps it needs something else to capitalize on the district's "playhouse" moniker, such as more media outlets, production facilities, advertising firms, small-scale theaters/schools, etc? Maybe they could make a pitch to convince Channel 19/43 to stay in the city, get them into a Euclid storefront that interacts with the street. A newsroom with the actual street and people in the background, New York style.
August 31, 20231 yr 10 minutes ago, marty15 said: Maybe they could make a pitch to convince Channel 19/43 to stay in the city, get them into a Euclid storefront that interacts with the street. A newsroom with the actual street and people in the background, New York style. Concentration of the media outlets is something I've been pining for for a while. Need to have all the news stations cluster around PHS/CSU. And work with the Greater Cleveland Film Commission and the state to build a studio, maybe on the Wolstein Center site? At least iHeart moved back downtown, though they are a hop, skip, and jump down the road.
August 31, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: So what does Playhouse Square need to become busier during the day, assuming office and retail are not going to be available to any large degree? Perhaps it needs so much residential that the share of remote workers in those residential spaces will help keep the district active in daytime? Or perhaps it needs something else to capitalize on the district's "playhouse" moniker, such as more media outlets, production facilities, advertising firms, small-scale theaters/schools, etc? My guess is when 925 Euclid gets renovated with apartments and hotel space, that should help add demand for some type of retail and add to foot traffic.
August 31, 20231 yr All cities without built in tourism and/or significant convention business struggle with regular vitality to a large degree. Don't underestimate the impact of thousands of people wandering around the downtowns of Chicago, Austin, Nashville etc. with time on their hands and money in their pockets creating a more vibrant environment.
August 31, 20231 yr 14 minutes ago, OldEnough said: All cities without built in tourism and/or significant convention business struggle with regular vitality to a large degree. Don't underestimate the impact of thousands of people wandering around the downtowns of Chicago, Austin, Nashville etc. with time on their hands and money in their pockets creating a more vibrant environment. I was reading through old newspapers from my hometown in Indiana, and even in the late 1800s, conventions were common at the city's hotels, and traveling artists, speakers, symphonies were clearly bringing in a lot of business and vibrancy even then. It's a old and core part of urban life, as you mention.
August 31, 20231 yr My wish list for Playhouse Square in no particular order- - Restaurant with open air doors NY style for summer season (more than one would be ideal) - A jazz club (actually any music club would probably do but live performing musicians essential - a classy live venue to hear jazz would be incredible ) - At least one more residential high rise - Some kind of gift shop- oriented retail - A deli /7-11 or similar - Some kind of rehearsal facility for bands - Any theater/media/music production related business - live newsroom like ABC news in NY where you can watch from the street
August 31, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, CleveFan said: My wish list for Playhouse Square in no particular order- - Restaurant with open air doors NY style for summer season (more than one would be ideal) - A jazz club (actually any music club would probably do but live performing musicians essential - a classy live venue to hear jazz would be incredible ) - At least one more residential high rise - Some kind of gift shop- oriented retail - A deli /7-11 or similar - Some kind of rehearsal facility for bands - Any theater/media/music production related business - live newsroom like ABC news in NY where you can watch from the street I've said it before but the restaurants, outside of the quick spots like Sushi-En/Sitoos/Parnell's, leave a lot to be desired for. Driftwood is REALLY stale and I wish someone would freshen it up or step in and bring better concepts. It's unfortunate as they've gotten by with mediocre food and service from being the convenient option for outsiders. It gives a bad representation on the quality of food in this city. I think some proper nightlife over here as you mentioned would be awesome, as well. We'll see it in time but there's way better food scattered down the street on East 4th and elsewhere in neighboring spots to ever recommend someone visits one of those spots. Edited August 31, 20231 yr by downtownjoe
August 31, 20231 yr 44 minutes ago, downtownjoe said: I've said it before but the restaurants, outside of the quick spots like Sushi-En/Sitoos/Parnell's, leave a lot to be desired for. Driftwood is REALLY stale and I wish someone would freshen it up or step in and bring better concepts. It's unfortunate as they've gotten by with mediocre food and service from being the convenient option for outsiders. It gives a bad representation on the quality of food in this city. I think some proper nightlife over here as you mentioned would be awesome, as well. We'll see it in time but there's way better food scattered down the street on East 4th and elsewhere in neighboring spots to ever recommend someone visits one of those spots. When Zack Bruell's Cowell & Hubbard was operating, it was a tasty and well oiled machine - with a great balance of good food, polished service, coupled with "we will get you out on time"... while still being the kind of place you could - or should - have gone just for the food, not just the PHS adjacency. These days - I'll just go to E 4th (Cordekia, etc...) pre-show and walk down to the theaters.
August 31, 20231 yr ^ i would bet the cowell & hubbard site will be a restaurant again someday soon. what the foundation i think is doing there now has all the earmarks of being a placeholder just to keep that prominant corner active.
August 31, 20231 yr 20 hours ago, Pleco said: If we gossip enough about a Lumen 2 they'll be too embarrassed not to follow through. Let's start a rumor about a 500 footer! Misinformation clearly works in this country./s 13 minutes ago, mrnyc said: i would bet the cowell & hubbard site will be a restaurant again someday soon. what the foundation i think is doing there now has all the earmarks of being a placeholder just to keep that prominant corner active. How about Lumen 2 on top of Cowell & Hubbard building?
August 31, 20231 yr Cantonese seafood bought the Cowell space in the same deal where they took over Alley Cat and Collision Bend. From when I worked for the company, they were trying to figure out what concept would fit well down there.
August 31, 20231 yr 25 minutes ago, originaljbw said: Cantonese seafood bought the Cowell space in the same deal where they took over Alley Cat and Collision Bend. From when I worked for the company, they were trying to figure out what concept would fit well down there. They bought all of Bruell’s restaurants? I missed that!
August 31, 20231 yr 20 minutes ago, marty15 said: They bought all of Bruell’s restaurants? I missed that! https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2021/03/zack-bruell-restaurant-ownership-changes-veteran-chef-leaves-alley-cat-cowell-hubbard.html
September 1, 20231 yr OK, back on topic. Anyone know what's going on with the plaza at Huron & Euclid. Looks like some construction equipment has been out there.
September 7, 20231 yr https://www.playhousesquare.org/events-tickets/events/mummies-of-the-world-the-exhibit Mummies of The Wold exhibit opening at The Corner Gallery on Sept 23. Great to see this corner reactivated
September 7, 20231 yr Another upcoming event at Playhouse Square October 5-6. Futureland Conference! https://www.futurelandcle.com Edited September 7, 20231 yr by dave2017 corrected event dates
September 8, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, dave2017 said: Mummies of The Wold exhibit opening at The Corner Gallery on Sept 23. Great to see this corner reactivated Must not comment on it took World Traveling Mummies to activate corner in our downtown Must not respond, must not......oh, darn. Too late!
September 9, 20231 yr yet another opening to happen in the Playhouse Square District! https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2023/09/city-club-of-cleveland-readies-its-fresh-new-space-for-opening-next-week-in-playhouse-square.html CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The City Club of Cleveland is ready to welcome community members and thought leaders to its new downtown storefront location. The City Club’s new 14,000-square-foot space at 1317 Euclid Avenue in Playhouse Square is just a few blocks from its home of decades at 850 Euclid Ave., but the changes are extensive, starting with a larger exterior sign that lights up in the evenings and extending inside to a new venue designed for more than 300 guests. The new venue formerly opens to the public on Friday, Sept. 15 with an 11:30 a.m. forum called “Leading Cities: Building Democracy and Governing in Ohio Today,” featuring Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb and Cincinnati Mayor Aftab Pureval.
September 9, 20231 yr The Hanna Great Lakes Theater blade marquee has been installed https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw6IRgusY1q/
September 9, 20231 yr The Hanna Great Lakes Theater blade marquee has been installed https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw6IRgusY1q/Looks great! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
September 18, 20231 yr So i was talking with someone with playhouse and i asked about Lumen 2... apparently its in the works.. not sure how much i wanna say.. dopnt wanna get the guys in trouble. lol
September 18, 20231 yr 14 minutes ago, G00pie said: So i was talking with someone with playhouse and i asked about Lumen 2... apparently its in the works.. not sure how much i wanna say.. dopnt wanna get the guys in trouble. lol Was the person you were talking to referring to lumen2 as the bulkley building conversion to apartments or was he referencing a New Build
September 18, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, Whipjacka said: I don't think Bulkley Building is a playhouse square inc project Yes it is. https://neo-trans.blog/2023/05/31/playhouse-square-announces-new-projects/
September 18, 20231 yr Bulkley is a playhouse square project and that was not what he was referring to. He was very specific.
September 18, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, G00pie said: Bulkley is a playhouse square project and that was not what he was referring to. He was very specific. Bomb scoop?
September 18, 20231 yr Hey, who doesn't like a good development rumor on a Monday morning. It's what we live for lol.
September 24, 20231 yr Playhouse Square Foundation is a TMUD applicant... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 24, 20231 yr So if 8 more stories are added to 1317 Euclid would that be considered Lumen 2, or a completely separate project?
September 24, 20231 yr It's a completely separate project either way. The interesting part is it that PHS isn't ready to build (or accept a vertical tenant) on top of 1317 Euclid. It seems to want to create the conditions to allow it to support it and market it. Otherwise, I would think that the square footage of such a vertical addition would have been included in the calculations for the TMUD application. Instead they used the square footage of neighboring buildings to be eligible for a TMUD. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 27, 20231 yr Marquee Moments event on Thursday 9/28. https://www.playhousesquare.org/events/detail/marquee-moments?ndclid=0076FFDA-C0DD-44ED-858C-316DAB01DD67
September 28, 20231 yr https://www.ideastream.org/arts-culture/2023-09-27/change-in-the-district-playhouse-square-debuts-new-marquees-and-gallery I like this idea for the Greyhound Station being incorporated into Playhouse Square facilities As for future plans for the area, Hassall said the rear entrance to the theaters, from the parking garage, will be “smartened up” since about 60% of audiences park there. He’s also got his eye on the Art Deco Greyhound station along Chester Avenue. It was sold by the bus company to a Connecticut firm earlier this year. “I would love that as another venue,” he said, adding that while Playhouse Square isn’t looking to buy the space, “the design is beautiful” and could be a “supper club or jazz venue or education space.”
September 28, 20231 yr Hassall is telegraphing. I'm sitting on a story. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 28, 20231 yr Looking at NYC's Times Square, compared to Playhouse Square here, the buildings of Times Square are plastered with large, colorful ads, which help light them up. At Playhouse Square, there are none. Almost all of the lighting is from PSC signage. I was curious if this is intentional.
September 28, 20231 yr Times Square is not really Manhattans theatre district. The theatres are mostly on the east-west streets, with a couple exceptions like the Ed Sullivan (where CBS’ Late Night Show is based). and that’s a number of blocks north up B’way. Edited September 28, 20231 yr by CleveFan
September 28, 20231 yr 44 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said: Looking at NYC's Times Square, compared to Playhouse Square here, the buildings of Times Square are plastered with large, colorful ads, which help light them up. At Playhouse Square, there are none. Almost all of the lighting is from PSC signage. I was curious if this is intentional. I believe it is indeed intentional, but more so based on city ordinance. The city only allows so many billboards and for every new billboard that goes up, one (or two of the new billboard is electronic) must be removed if I recall correctly.
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