Although this may incur the rath of the Cleveland and Cincinnati area posters, I just had to pass along not one but two weekend articles in the New York Times about Columbus.  Thanks to the columbusunderground.com for tracking these down and linking them.  The Times generally gives Columbus due credit as an up-and-coming city with relatively minor digs at Ohio. 

 

 

Columbus Cool

By MONICA KHEMSUROV

Published: September 23, 2007

 

http://www.nytimes.com/articles/2007/09/20/travel/23columbus.html

 

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Bringing Hollywood Boulevard to Main Street

By DAN BARRY

Published: September 23, 2007

BEXLEY, Ohio

 

http://www.nytimes.com/articles/2007/09/22/travel/drexel.html

 

I love the random throw-arounds of "This Midwest ___" or "in OHIO, where you don't expect to find ___."  Knowing it's the SEVENTH LARGEST STATE IN THE UNION, NYT.  For Christ sakes, if you are going to "praise" Columbus, atleast don't go around assuming the rest of the state doesn't know about fashion, food, etc when infact this very state helped build their city (Rockerfeller, Edison, Wright Bros, Olds).  I mean, I'm glad Columbus received press but I still find it disturbing the Times generally uses the word "Midwest" to equal "Simple life" or whatnot.  "Down the street from TJ's, a Midwestern place" could also easily be found in New Rochelle, Mt. Vernon, Staten Island, or even outer Brooklyn/Queens.

 

Next time, ColDayMan will write an article about New York. "This East Coast city, once a drug and crime filled, unhealthy, crowded cesspool is now coming back with J. Jill and Vera Wang in such quaint, once disgusting, neighborhoods of SoHo and TriBeCa."

"Although this may incur the rath of the Cleveland and Cincinnati area posters"

 

Hardly, and I don't even know why you'd suggest it would.  However, that first article is a little behind the times - as if the Short North being a destination is a recent thing, and as if the Limited and A&F have created any of the development downtown? It'd be nice if it was accurate.

Agreed.

Bravo to C-bus!!      Great Press, but who even reads the Times anymore?

Whew!! So I'm not the only one who overlooked the Abercrombie & Fitch Fashion district downtown? Is it by the Nationwide Arena district?

 

People in new york don't pay much attention to the new york times, so why should we??

 

What they fail to realize is alot of fashion trends are set in corporate boardrooms in Ohio, especially in Columbus!

 

"Although this may incur the rath of the Cleveland and Cincinnati area posters"

 

Hardly, and I don't even know why you'd suggest it would.  However, that first article is a little behind the times - as if the Short North being a destination is a recent thing, and as if the Limited and A&F have created any of the development downtown? It'd be nice if it was accurate.

I love the random throw-arounds of "This Midwest ___" or "in OHIO, where you don't expect to find ___."  Knowing it's the SEVENTH LARGEST STATE IN THE UNION, NYT.  For Christ sakes, if you are going to "praise" Columbus, atleast don't go around assuming the rest of the state doesn't know about fashion, food, etc when infact this very state helped build their city (Rockerfeller, Edison, Wright Bros, Olds).  I mean, I'm glad Columbus received press but I still find it disturbing the Times generally uses the word "Midwest" to equal "Simple life" or whatnot.  "Down the street from TJ's, a Midwestern place" could also easily be found in New Rochelle, Mt. Vernon, Staten Island, or even outer Brooklyn/Queens.

 

Next time, ColDayMan will write an article about New York. "This East Coast city, once a drug and crime filled, unhealthy, crowded cesspool is now coming back with J. Jill and Vera Wang in such quaint, once disgusting, neighborhoods of SoHo and TriBeCa."

 

err, sorry to crash you rightious rant cdm and correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt the author of the article dan barry the son of famed bexley newspaper columnist dave barry?

 

if so that leads me my own personal rant, i always just want to strangle new midwestern manhattan move-ins like young mr. barry who fall into either outright putting down their own hometowns and the midwest in general or even worse...'damn it with faint praise' like this ass-clown did.

 

It is strange, I met a few people from NYC that thought Ohio was all cornfields and such. I guess I never realized it since I've always lived here, but the name "Ohio" sounds incredibly boring. In addition, the media tends to typecast us as having painfully average/typical towns in shows and movies.

Having worked for cablevision I understand how uneducated people from new york city are. It took me by surprise at first. Almost all bright educated people in new york city are not from there. I work with someone from the bronx & he never ceases to amaze me with his idiocracy. I'm thinking its because he spent most his life there.

 

Jersey gets the bad rap from new york but they have alot more sense.

Yeah a girl I know that grew up in Queens admitted people there tend to think anything outside of NYC isn't very urban.

Did you tell her anything outside NYC also isn't very ghetto!

 

Yeah a girl I know that grew up in Queens admitted people there tend to think anything outside of NYC isn't very urban.

I love the random throw-arounds of "This Midwest ___" or "in OHIO, where you don't expect to find ___."  Knowing it's the SEVENTH LARGEST STATE IN THE UNION, NYT.  For Christ sakes, if you are going to "praise" Columbus, atleast don't go around assuming the rest of the state doesn't know about fashion, food, etc when infact this very state helped build their city (Rockerfeller, Edison, Wright Bros, Olds).  I mean, I'm glad Columbus received press but I still find it disturbing the Times generally uses the word "Midwest" to equal "Simple life" or whatnot.  "Down the street from TJ's, a Midwestern place" could also easily be found in New Rochelle, Mt. Vernon, Staten Island, or even outer Brooklyn/Queens.

 

Next time, ColDayMan will write an article about New York. "This East Coast city, once a drug and crime filled, unhealthy, crowded cesspool is now coming back with J. Jill and Vera Wang in such quaint, once disgusting, neighborhoods of SoHo and TriBeCa."

 

err, sorry to crash you rightious rant cdm and correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt the author of the article dan barry the son of famed bexley newspaper columnist dave barry?

 

if so that leads me my own personal rant, i always just want to strangle new midwestern manhattan move-ins like young mr. barry who fall into either outright putting down their own hometowns and the midwest in general or even worse...'damn it with faint praise' like this ass-clown did.

 

 

Oh, I know.  It's downright embarrassing.  Ex-pats that talk ___.

Every time I've been to NYC, I thought the natives lived a very isolated existence. I couldn't believe how many had never been out of the city even once, many of whom were over 30! Granted, you never NEED to leave the NYC to experience a lot of things, but you don't NEED to leave Woodsfield or West Union either.

I'm not bashing New Yorkers at all; just the NYT for such ignorance.  New Yorkers are some of the nicest, most educated people in this country and to generalize them as such is just as bad as painting Ohio as "boring."

 

But I still stand by it; the NYT is trash.

New Yorkers are very nice. Nicer than us, by far.

First wife was from Long Island.  When I would go to visit her, I made her go to the city many times.  Her parents thought I (we) were nuts!  They of course had never even been to the Statue of Liberty.  We went to a Yankees game, and her father was really upset that I would take his daughter to the Bronx at night.

 

After we were married, and they came to Cincinnati for the 1st time, I can still see the reaction on her mothers face when we came through the cut in the hill and she saw a real city!  She had no idea....  The other thing I could never get across to her and make her understand, was why it stayed lighter later at night in Cincinnati than NY and the time was the same!!!!!!

 

The only thing right she ever said was that there was no Pork Store, and LaRosas deli on Boudinout was too expensive!!!!

Every time I've been to NYC, I thought the natives lived a very isolated existence. I couldn't believe how many had never been out of the city even once, many of whom were over 30! Granted, you never NEED to leave the NYC to experience a lot of things, but you don't NEED to leave Woodsfield or West Union either.

 

well, when you put it in the perspective of the whole state of ohio only being a third of the metro of nyc...i'm just sayin, but that's a lot of people to be around.

 

also, that a large percentage are already immigrants or 1st generation...so they've already seen other things.

 

but yeah, most typical native ny'ers certainly do need to get out more from their la/miami/atlantic city ruts. it wouldnt hurt. thank god there is fresh air fund for the kids -- even if sometimes thats the only time they ever get out.

"New Yorkers are very nice. Nicer than us, by far."

 

Since when is "nice" something to aspire to? :roll:

Another New York Times article about Columbus....from 1981!  How times have changed!

 

What’s Doing in Columbus, Ohio

 

By MICHAEL CULL

Published: March 29, 1981

 

THURBER'S TOWN - James Thurber made millions laugh and himself famous in part by mining experiences gained in the Ohio state capital, now a city of 562,000. Thurber, who died in 1961 and whose ashes are buried in Columbus's Greenlawn Cemetery, grew up in a turnof-the-century town where people rode trolleys, endured summers on wide porches and attended picnics. The fragile second son of a government clerk played, read and began drawing forever-childlike sketches in homes and schools just east and south of downtown Columbus.

 

In Columbus Thurber had many eccentric relatives, including a grandfather, William M. Fisher, who had a habit of going about with a red rose clamped between gold-capped teeth. He became the inspiration for the ''Thurber Album'' piece ''Man With a Rose.'' From tales of a ghost in a rented home on Jefferson Avenue, Thurber created ''The Night the Ghost Got In'' as part of ''My Life and Hard Times.'' In a house on South Champion Avenue that was full of dogs, rabbits and guinea pigs Thurber's father Charles once accidentally locked himself in an animal cage.

 

CHANGES - The house Thurber was born in on Parsons Avenue has given way to an expressway. The house on South Champion is no longer at the city's edge. Marzetti's Restaurant, where Thurber and newspaper colleagues gathered, has given way to a fast-food shop.

 

More than anything else, Columbus is a city built on paper. The state capital has grown as government grew, and if there is a rival, it is the insurance business. The modest Columbus skyline is dominated by insurance and government buildings, from the massive Greek-style Capitol to a 40-story state office tower and the 39-story Nationwide Insurance building. Approximately 20,000 government employees live in the Columbus area and, besides Nationwide, nearly 50 other insurance companies make this their corporate home.

 

GETTING THERE - Trans World Airlines has four flights daily from La Guardia Airport in New York. A round trip is $292, but if you get your tickets two weeks ahead and stay over a Saturday, the price is $169. USAir has three daily flights, one in the morning from Newark, one in the afternoon from La Guardia and one in early evening from Kennedy International. Round-trip coach is $260, or $169 if you buy the ticket two weeks ahead and stay over a Friday.

 

GETTING AROUND - A car is not a necessity but a great convenience for this spread-out city. Hertz, Avis, National and Budget provide cars at the airport and at downtown offices. Taxis cost 90 cents the moment you sit down and 80 cents a mile thereafter. Central Ohio Transit Authority (COTA) buses cost 60 cents and serve the main routes in town fairly well. Drivers do not make change, and frequency of service drops after 6 P.M. After 10 P.M. buses are scarce, and after midnight they are not available at all.

 

ACCOMMODATIONS - Hotel rooms are almost always available, but a convention coupled with the recent closing of the venerable Neil House might force you to take a short drive outside downtown. The newest and most luxurious hotel is the Hyatt Regency (614-463-1234) in the Ohio Center three blocks north of the city's main intersection at Broad and High Streets. The Hyatt offers 660 rooms ranging in price from $67 to $98 for two people.

 

The Sheraton Columbus (614-228-6060) at 50 North Third Street, is closest to the center of downtown - just a block east of Broad and High - and has rooms from $59 to $67. The Holiday Inn Centre (614-221-3281) at 175 East Town Street, has 249 rooms starting at $46 a night. The cylindrical Christopher Inn, 300 East Broad Street (614-228-3541), has rooms starting at $43.

 

The Hilton Inn Columbus, near Ohio State University at 3110 Olentangy River Road (614-267-7461) offers rooms for $40. Across the street, Stouffer's University Inn (614-267-9291) provides rooms starting at $41.

 

SIGHTSEEING - A tour of the city should start at the Capitol, occupying a city block bounded by High, Broad, State and Third streets. An example of Doric architecture, the great gray building was completed in 1861. About 120 feet above the elevated rotunda floor is the dome containing a painted representation of the state seal.

 

Discover Columbus (614-262-8531) provides a three-hour guided tour at 9 A.M. Monday to Saturday. Afternoon tours begin at 1:30 P.M. Monday, Wednesday and Friday. For $6 a person, the small tour service, operated out of the northside residence of Mr. and Mrs. H. Jack Jones, shows visitors downtown, German Village, Ohio State University and other points of interest.

 

GERMAN VILLAGE - A half-mile south of the city's center lies about 200 acres of restored late-19th-century brick homes and shops. The village -actually a neighborhood rescued from urban renewal - consists mainly of low-slung brick residences close to the street and behind walls or fencing. It is one of the country's first examples of gentrification - the movement of moneyed people back to the inner city. A drive along the narrow brick streets reveals shops and restaurants catering to the young professionals who have restored the houses.

 

You can get the feel of German Village with a stop at Juergen's Backerei and Konditorei at the corner of Fourth and Jackson Streets. Dinner begins at $4.95 for bratwurst and potato salad. Duck Pierre is $8.50. What makes Juergen's special is a bakery that turns out European-style pastries - tortes, cheesecake and strudel. Juergen's (614-224-6858) is closed Monday but open from 8 A.M. to 8 P.M. Tuesday to Thursday, 8 A.M. to 9 P.M. Friday and Saturday and 10 A.M. to 6 P.M. on Sunday.

 

SCIENCE AND HISTORY - Children will especially be interested in the Center of Science and Industry (COSI), called ''Coe-Sye'' by residents, at 280 East Broad Street. There are four floors of exhibits devoted to inventions and industrial techniques, among them a simulated coal mine and a space capsule. There also are exhibits on the workings of the human body. COSI (614-228-6361) is open from 10 A.M. to 5 P.M. Monday to Saturday and from 1 to 5:30 P.M. on Sunday. Adults are charged $3.50; students and those over 65 pay $2.

 

The Ohio Historical Center (614-466-1505), a few minutes' drive north of downtown at Interstate 71 and 17th Avenue, holds a horde of mastodons and sabre-tooth tigers and a score of historical and archeological displays. It is open without charge from 9 A.M. to 5 P.M. Monday to Saturday and from 10 A.M. to 5 P.M. on Sunday. The adjacent Ohio Village is a reconstructed county seat, circa 1850. The village is scheduled to open Wednesday and will charge adults $1.50 and children 50 cents to visit a one-room schoolhouse, a doctor's house and shops for making long rifles and horseshoes.

 

CAMPUS - Ohio State University is one of the country's largest, with almost 58,000 students on several campuses. Most of the students on the 3,255-acre main campus do not play football although it sometimes seems that the sport dominates the university and the city. Thurber came to this land-grant university in 1913 when it had 4,435 students. One of them was Elliott Nugent. The pair later wrote the play ''The Male Animal,'' set on the campus of a large Midwestern university.

 

OTHER ATTRACTIONS - The Columbus Zoo, with more than 7,000 inhabitants, is not in Columbus but 16 miles northwest on Riverside Drive. Among its residents is Colo, the first gorilla born in captivity. The zoo is open year round, and the admission fee is $2 for adults and $1 for children. Those interested in plants can visit the Franklin Park conservatory (614-222-7447) at 1777 East Broad Street. The conservatory, built in 1895 of limestone, offers more than 400 species of tropical plants. Its hours are 10 A.M. to 4 P.M. daily. Admission is free.

 

DINING - Columbus is not known for exceptional food, but good meals can be had at many restaurants. One that typifies this city of government and white-collar business is One Nation (614-221-001) on the 38th floor of the Nationwide Insurance building. It specializes in American dishes representing different sections of the country. Dinners start at $6; lobster costs about $19. Among the specialties are a New England shore dinner, country glazed ham and Southern fried chicken.

 

Ziggy's Continental (614-488-0605) at 4140 Riverside Drive serves pheasant and smoked salmon and has an extensive offering of wines, about 85 percent of them French. Dinners start at about $20. Engine House No. 5 (614-443-4877) at 121 Thurman Avenue in German Village specializes in fresh seafood. The Gothic firehouse was turned into a restaurant in 1968 and serves dinners beginning at $7.25. It has energetic waiters who slide down a fire pole to deliver birthday cakes.

 

L'Armagnac (614-221-4046) at 121 South Sixth Street offers classic French cuisine for $22.50 without wine. This small restaurant is a former private residence and specializes in medallion de veau Florentine. Reservations are suggested for dinner at 6, 7, 8:30 and 9:30 P.M. In the Ohio State University area, A la Carte (614-294-6783) at 2333 North High Street offers East European and Mediterranean dishes beginning at $6.50, including dessert. This small restaurant with a courtyard for warm-weather dining has a good wine and imported beer shop.

 

The Old Spaghetti Warehouse (614-464-0143) at 397 West Broad Street serves Italian food amid antiques and stained-glass windows. One dining room is a full-size streetcar. The waiting area offers coinfed electronic games. Dinners begin at $3 and are served from 5 to 10 P.M. Monday to Thursday and from 5 to 11 P.M. Friday and Saturday. It is open from noon to 10 P.M. on Sunday.

 

SPORTS - Baseball fans can spend a pleasant spring evening watching the Columbus Clippers, the New York Yankees' International League farm team. Franklin County Stadium at 1155 West Mound Street (614-462-5250) is the last stop before Yankee Stadium for many ball players. The Clippers are league champions and provide quality play in a remodeled stadium seating 15,000. The Clippers play their first home series of the season against Richmond at 7:30 P.M. from April 14 to 16. Tickets start at $2.

 

Racing can be viewed a few miles southwest of the city at Beulah Park (614-875-3434). There are three seasons: March 14 to April 27 for thoroughbred racing, June 19 to Aug. 9 for quarterhorse racing and Sept. 30 to Nov. 30 for thoroughbred racing. Post time is 1:30 P.M. Wednesday to Sunday. Minimum bet is $2. Grandstand seats are $1.50; clubhouse seats are $2.50. Five miles south of downtown, at 6000 South High Street, is Scioto Downs, where the harness-racing season begins May 8 and goes through Sept. 15. Grandstand seats are $1.50, and post time is 7:45 P.M. every night but Sunday. For information, call 614-491-2515.

 

ART - The Columbus Museum of Art, 480 East Broad Street, offers works by Rubens, Van Dyck and Raeburn as well as such 20th-century Americans as O'Keeffe, Marin and Demuth. Picasso and Matisse are represented, and the museum has a sizable collection of paintings and lithographs by George Bellows, who grew up not far from the museum. Admission is $1.50 for adults and 50 cents for students and senior citizens. It is open from 11 A.M. to 5 P.M. Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday, and from 10 A.M. to 5 P.M. Saturday. Wednesday hours are 11 A.M. to 8:30 P.M. Closed Monday.

 

ON STAGE - Columbus has many performance facilities, among them the Ohio Theater (614-469-0939) on State Street and the Palace Theater (614-469-9850), 34 West Broad Street, which draws professional touring companies and stars. Ohio State University has three performing halls: Mershon Auditorium (614-422-2354), 15th Avenue and High Street; Weigel Hall (614-422-2295) and the Drake Union Theater (614-422-2295).

 

In addition, the city has a ballet company, a chamber orchestra and a symphony orchestra. Information about the Pro Musica chamber orchestra can be had by calling 614-261-76-26. The Ballet Metropolitan number is 614-263-1034. The Columbus Symphony ticket office is 614-224-3291.

 

The singer Cliff Richards is scheduled to appear at 8 P.M. April 8 at the Palace. Tickets are $7.50 and $8.50. Liza Minelli is set to be at the Palace April 24 and 25. Tickets are $19.75. ''Annie'' will be at Mershon April 7 to 18 with tickets at $8 to $17.50. ''Oklahoma'' will be at the Palace from April 28 to May 3. Samuel Beckett's ''Ohio - An Impromptu'' is to open at Drake Union May 9 as part of a threeday conference on the Nobel Prize-winning playwright beginning May 7.

 

From 10 A.M. to 7 P.M. on May 9 on the South Oval at Ohio State University there will be a Medieval and Rennaisance Festival. Plays and mock battles will be staged and unusual foods will be served. Admission to the grounds is free.

 

Also on May 9 at 8 P.M. a jazz festival will be held at Mershon Auditorium. Tickets: from $5 to $10.

 

SHOPPING - Lazarus, the largest retail establishment in Ohio, is the closest thing to Macy's that Columbus has. Situated on South High Street, Lazarus is a part of Columbus tradition, having been the city's department store since 1909. The eight levels of its main building are staffed by helpful sales people. Across High Street is Halle's, a Cleveland-based clothing store that competes with Lazarus for the middle- and upper-income shopper. Bargain hunters will want to drive to either of Schottenstein's stores for a chance to get clothes with well-known labels at discounts. The stores are on the city's south side at 1887 Parsons Avenue and on the north at 3251 Westerville Road. Bargains can also be had on the city's east side, at Woolen Square, 3900 Groves Road. Operated by the Mid States Wool Growers' Cooperative, the store offers fabric and men's and women's clothing from Woolrich and Pendleton. Pipe smokers should not fail to visit Smoker's Haven, 47 East Gay Street. The store has more than 9,000 pipes in stock, more than 4,000 on display, ranging from $2.95 to $4,000. For an unusual shopping experience, try the shops at the French Market, Busch Boulevard and State Route 161, about 10 miles north of downtown. There you will find a fish market, a wine shop, cheese merchants and shops specializing in French and Greek pastries.

 

http://travel.nytimes.com/1981/03/29/travel/columbus.html?pagewanted=1

My! How new york times haven't changed!

"New Yorkers are very nice. Nicer than us, by far."

 

Since when is "nice" something to aspire to? :roll:

 

Yeah, it's true -- nice doesn't get you anywhere, but courteous does.

However, that first article is a little behind the times - as if the Short North being a destination is a recent thing, and as if the Limited and A&F have created any of the development downtown? It'd be nice if it was accurate.

 

Not ture at all.  This is some only a Columbusite could truely understand.  The jobs around 270, at AF and Limited have in fact contributed to Columbus' urban gentrification.  Of course jobs anywhere in the Columbus metro that lure creative types that are likely to open their own business or gentrify a property will have a positive impact on urban columbus.

 

Columbus is a city where the job creation and economic boom happened mostly around the older city limits in 270.  Then the money, wealth, and jobs from those buildings around 270 has drifted around the metro and inward to the center of Columbus.   While some job creations did happen in downtown, Limited and Abercrombie's presence in and near New Albany has a positive impact on downtown. 

 

AF and limited corporate housing is around downtown, when people move to columbus from Europe or anywhere to work for these fashion corps. they are asked if they want to live downtown.

 

Second, many of the creative types have left limited or AF to spawn off their own art or fashion oriented business.  It brings fashion types to columbus that would normaly have never stepped foot in columbus.  Many do live and own condos or rent apartments in the short north who do not work downtown. 

 

The presence of the Limited and Abercrombie has an Emense impact on downtown columbus and central columbus, even if they are not located directly in the center of the city. 

Every time I've been to NYC, I thought the natives lived a very isolated existence. I couldn't believe how many had never been out of the city even once, many of whom were over 30! Granted, you never NEED to leave the NYC to experience a lot of things, but you don't NEED to leave Woodsfield or West Union either.

 

well, when you put it in the perspective of the whole state of ohio only being a third of the metro of nyc...i'm just sayin, but that's a lot of people to be around.

 

also, that a large percentage are already immigrants or 1st generation...so they've already seen other things.

 

but yeah, most typical native ny'ers certainly do need to get out more from their la/miami/atlantic city ruts. it wouldnt hurt. thank god there is fresh air fund for the kids -- even if sometimes thats the only time they ever get out.

 

Actually, Ohio is only half of Metro New York, thanks ;).

" This is some only a Columbusite could truely understand."

 

Give me a f#cking break. :roll:

 

My comment was directed specifically at the corporate level - as in the Limited and A&F are not building Nationwide districts, downtown office towers or things of that nature. The article reads "homegrown empires like the Limited and Abercrombie & Fitch, the city has seen a flurry of downtown development". It basically sounds as if either company is plunking down major office towers when that's clearly not the case. It would be like saying that American Greetings has created a flurry of downtown development in Cleveland - they haven't. Their employees have, since many are in the creative field and prefer urban living, but that's a far cry from American Greetings putting up residential mid-rises and a sports arena.

 

Now, I'm well aware of the impact that the Limited/A&F presence has had in the region, and how they've attracted talent to an area that might be under the radar for say, someone from NYC, and how that talent might be more prone to live in the urban core. But I wasn't addressing that, was I? It's hardly something unique to Columbus.

Every time I've been to NYC, I thought the natives lived a very isolated existence. I couldn't believe how many had never been out of the city even once, many of whom were over 30! Granted, you never NEED to leave the NYC to experience a lot of things, but you don't NEED to leave Woodsfield or West Union either.

 

well, when you put it in the perspective of the whole state of ohio only being a third of the metro of nyc...i'm just sayin, but that's a lot of people to be around.

 

also, that a large percentage are already immigrants or 1st generation...so they've already seen other things.

 

but yeah, most typical native ny'ers certainly do need to get out more from their la/miami/atlantic city ruts. it wouldnt hurt. thank god there is fresh air fund for the kids -- even if sometimes thats the only time they ever get out.

 

Actually, Ohio is only half of Metro New York, thanks ;).

 

i thought someone might say that. i've seen it from 23 to 32 million. depends how broadly you want to define it. i used to view the metro narrowly, but speaking of anecdotals i work with so many people who live deep in the poconos now i lean toward the latter.

 

^Whoa 32 million?  Thats more than the combined pops of NY State, Conn and NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population).  I really doubt there are enough people in NW PA to make that number pass any straight face test.

I really doubt there are enough people in NW PA to make that number pass any straight face test.

 

LOL

^Whoa 32 million?  Thats more than the combined pops of NY State, Conn and NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population).  I really doubt there are enough people in NW PA to make that number pass any straight face test.

 

there are when you add in ri, se florida and pr tho!

Try less than 22 million!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area

 

^Whoa 32 million?  Thats more than the combined pops of NY State, Conn and NJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population).  I really doubt there are enough people in NW PA to make that number pass any straight face test.

^I think that's the low end mrnyc was referring to.  There's no right answer of course, but, some of the high estimates you hear for any metro area are a little nutty if you take a close look at them.

 

By the way, I like how the little map of the metro area in that wiki article leaves out Staten Island- wishful thinking perhaps?

^ wiki is too funny sometimes -- i guess they could give hoot about staten-cleveland.

 

you read those high end metro numbers sometimes based on somebodys take on commuting patterns and just off the wall jibber-jabber.

2 things:

1) Since skybus started, I keep hearing how there are 6.2-6.7 million people within 100 miles of Columbus... So, really, you could say Columbus' metro area alone is 1/3 of NYC's --- Which aint half bad...

But really, columbus metro area is like 1.5-1.7 million and NYC's (last I heard) was around 18 million.

 

2) What the hell is the MIDWEST???!??! Please!! I mean really? We're in the same region as Nebraska? How's that work? I could drive to D.C., NYC etc from Columbus in about 8-10 hours. I don't think I would get half way to nebraska in that time.  And apparently we're the heart of the midwest according to multiple people... How's that work out? We are the farthest state to the east in the alleged 'Midwest' - but whatever...

 

The proper term is the Great Lakes Region I believe.  I prefer to refer to it as the rust belt region or great lakes... Midwest gives the wrong impression.  I live in Seattle now and people constantly think of Iowa when I say Ohio. If I say Cleveland, then that's east coast, if I say Columbus, then that's midwest, and if I say Cincy, well people don't really know what to think of cincy... equated w/ pittsburgh sometimes.  We need to settle on something other than midwest, because that really should be left to states like Iowa or Nebraska.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. When people ask me what region I'm from, I say "I'm from the North."

^Do they respond with "I didn't think there was any black people in Maine?!"

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I always say I'm from Cleveland!

2) What the hell is the MIDWEST???!??! Please!! I mean really? We're in the same region as Nebraska? How's that work? I could drive to D.C., NYC etc from Columbus in about 8-10 hours. I don't think I would get half way to nebraska in that time.  And apparently we're the heart of the midwest according to multiple people... How's that work out? We are the farthest state to the east in the alleged 'Midwest' - but whatever...

 

And Nebraska is on the westernmost edge of the "alleged" Midwest- but whatever...

 

If I say Cleveland, then that's east coast

 

I live nowhere near the Atlantic Ocean.  You could argue that Cleveland has an "East Coast feel," but that's different than being an East Coast city.  More accurately, Cleveland has a "Great Lakes feel," like Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit, and although "Great Lakes region" is one way of describing my part of Ohio, I don't know that people from Cincinnati would feel the same way.

 

Actually, now that I think about it, I can drive to Windsor in less time than it takes to drive to Cincinnati.  That must mean I'm Canadian!  8-)

Well that was my point - I can get to the atlantic in less time than it takes to get half way to the middle of the "mid west" --

What's your point?

 

My point was that the midwest is too large of a region.  When people hear midwest they think of farms and dull lives. While that may be true in Nebraska or Iowa, it certainly is not the feel you would get if you were to visit the many cities in Ohio. One of the most populated states in the country, and one of even fewer states with 3 major cities and a bunch of smaller but well known ones. 

 

 

I live nowhere near the Atlantic Ocean.  You could argue that Cleveland has an "East Coast feel," but that's different than being an East Coast city.  More accurately, Cleveland has a "Great Lakes feel," like Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit, and although "Great Lakes region" is one way of describing my part of Ohio, I don't know that people from Cincinnati would feel the same way.

 

Actually, now that I think about it, I can drive to Windsor in less time than it takes to drive to Cincinnati.  That must mean I'm Canadian!  cool

 

That's nice... Anyway, I was saying that people in Seattle felt differently about different cities in Ohio... They feel Cleveland is east coast, columbus is midwest etc... I wasn't arguing Cleveland is on the atlantic?!?! Where'd you get that from?

 

 

And you think it's alright to say you are from the great lakes region...of ohio... but the rest of Ohio isn't? So wouldn't that mean Philly isn't really an "east coast" city since it isn't on the coast? Or for sure Las Vegas isn't on the west coast.  And I guess Buffalo is actually more of a Niagra Falls city than anything else.  Or by your standard, I guess it's canadian...

Well, being from Cincinnati, I don't thing I would ever consider myself as living in a Great Lakes region. Then again, I don't really consider it Mid-West either. Cincinnati is very strange in this regard...

Well that was my point - I can get to the atlantic in less time than it takes to get half way to the middle of the "mid west" --

What's your point?

 

My point is that Nebraska isn't the middle of the Midwest- it's the western edge of the Midwest, just like Ohio is the eastern edge of the Midwest.  The middle is more like Illinois or Wisconsin.  It actually takes me less time to get to the middle of the Midwest (somewhere like Chicago) than it does to get to the Atlantic.

 

 

That's nice... Anyway, I was saying that people in Seattle felt differently about different cities in Ohio... They feel Cleveland is east coast, columbus is midwest etc... I wasn't arguing Cleveland is on the atlantic?!?! Where'd you get that from?

 

 

I'm sorry, I misunderstood your post.  I thought you were implying that Cleveland is an east coast city, when it obviously isn't.  Seattlites seem to have a different opinion, then.

 

And you think it's alright to say you are from the great lakes region...of ohio... but the rest of Ohio isn't?

You're misconstruing what I said.  You might classify my area as "Great Lakes region," but the southern parts of the state might not agree with being called that.  Edale's post seems to agree with me on that.  I guess you could call the Great Lakes states a "super-region," just like the Atlantic states form a "super-region" that's further broken down into the South- and Mid-Atlantic and New England.

 

So wouldn't that mean Philly isn't really an "east coast" city since it isn't on the coast? Or for sure Las Vegas isn't on the west coast.

 

Philadelphia is not that far from the ocean at all - and they're on a river that runs directly into the Atlantic-, so it's conceivable for them consider themselves "east coast."  I think you'd find a similar situation in Ohio- people who live a certain distance from the water would be fine with being classified as "Great Lakes," while people from farther inland may not.

 

And no, Las Vegas isn't on the west coast.  It's in the middle of the desert.  It is in the west, of course, but nowhere near the coast. 

And I guess Buffalo is actually more of a Niagra Falls city than anything else.  Or by your standard, I guess it's canadian..

 

I'm sorry, but please cut the attitude.  I was referring to your "driving distance determines region" notion, and you must not have noticed the smiley ( 8-)) indicating that I was being facetious.  (For the record, though, I think Buffalonians actually do identify somewhat with Canada...)

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Thats what I say also.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. When people ask me what region I'm from, I say "I'm from the North."

Ohio is also used in the North Central Region that includes the Dakotas, North & South.

Ohio has more in common with more regions than probably any other state. Great Lakes, Ohio Valley, North, Midwest, South, And has an Atlantic feel to it more than any other non-Atlantic state except maby Pennsylvania if you consider Penn an Atlantic state, Or not.

 

By the way, I like how the little map of the metro area in that wiki article leaves out Staten Island- wishful thinking perhaps?

 

I'll thank you not to malign me ol' home town like that! ;)