January 25, 20214 yr I have no idea what the true plan is for the Global Center for Health Innovation.... but I hope this can somehow benefit that building....
January 25, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, lockdog said: I have no idea what the true plan is for the Global Center for Health Innovation.... but I hope this can somehow benefit that building.... Nah turn that into more convention space (I think that is already what they have planned anyway).
January 25, 20214 yr I’m not sure I can recall ever hearing better news for the region than this. 20,000 jobs is 2% of the entire metro. Seriously, if this pans out as predicted, what development in the past 20 years will have been so impactful?? Edited January 25, 20214 yr by LlamaLawyer
January 25, 20214 yr Also, with who is behind it (primarily the Clinic, but also Case, CSU, UH, and MH) and then you factor in $265 million dollars in investment from the State, you know that even if it doesn't reach its intended goal that what happens is still going to be transformative. It's a much bigger more realistic version of City Block (all 10 renditions that it had). I also love this part of the Cleveland.com article CSU President Harlan Sands said the universities involved plan to double the number of people graduating with 19 specific degrees over the next decade. What is one of the reasons Columbus is successful? Ohio State! If Cleveland State does indeed double in the tech/science degrees over the next 10 years the effects will be outstanding.
January 25, 20214 yr Hey @KJP was this that big bomb you were talking about last year that had to do with Cleveland Clinic? Or did this kind of come out of no where so to speak?
January 25, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, JB said: Hey @KJP was this that big bomb you were talking about last year that had to do with Cleveland Clinic? Or did this kind of come out of no where so to speak? Probably. I was aware of only two aspects of it, the educational and the medical equipment side of things. I and others were having a hard time trying to figure out how we were going to get tens of thousands of jobs from medical equipment research. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 25, 20214 yr nice article on innovation districts.... https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/01/cleveland-announced-an-innovation-district-during-a-pandemic-what-challenges-are-there.html
January 26, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, LlamaLawyer said: I’m not sure I can recall ever hearing better news for the region than this. 20,000 jobs is 2% of the entire metro. Seriously, if this pans out as predicted, what development in the past 20 years will have been so impactful?? The 20k jobs were 10k directly related to the projects and other 10k induced by them like--I assume restaurants, laundromats, etc. If the first 10k are all in the city, that a nice boost--it represents a 3.7% increase in jobs in the city proper. Hopefully all these innovation jobs will be in the city.
January 26, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, Pugu said: The 20k jobs were 10k directly related to the projects and other 10k induced by them like--I assume restaurants, laundromats, etc. If the first 10k are all in the city, that a nice boost--it represents a 3.7% increase in jobs in the city proper. Hopefully all these innovation jobs will be in the city. We’re gonna need a bit more housing
January 26, 20214 yr My turn...... MONDAY, JANUARY 25, 2021 Looking into the Cleveland Innovation District's past, future For more than a year, there have been rumors of a major research and development initiative aimed at University Circle and downtown Cleveland and the health care and educational institutions located there. But the full breadth and scale of the initiative wasn't publicly revealed until today, culminating in the announcement by Gov. Mike DeWine and others regarding a Cleveland Innovation District fostering up to 20,000 jobs over the next 15 years. The state, led by JobsOhio, and the Cleveland Clinic Foundation (CCF) will put up $565 million to get the district off the ground in a big way. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/01/looking-into-cleveland-innovation.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 31, 20214 yr On 1/25/2021 at 5:36 PM, KJP said: Probably. I was aware of only two aspects of it, the educational and the medical equipment side of things. I and others were having a hard time trying to figure out how we were going to get tens of thousands of jobs from medical equipment research. Yeah, I was going to ask the same thing, KJP. As I recall, you were hinting about some big CCF projects beyond even the Neurological building and Cole Eye expansion on Euclid right around this time last year before the pandemic hit. Nice to see CCF investing in its backyard after the decade-long pivot to Vegas, Florida, Dubai, and London. Plus a new CEO who seems to realize the importance of the surrounding neighborhoods.
January 31, 20214 yr The economic impact of this District should have a ripple effect that positively changes quality of life for all Clevelanders, and that is hands down the biggest win here. The growing of our skyline is of course very exciting too. Michelle makes reference to that here, it sounds like CCF has something big planned for their Pathogen Research Center. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-innovation-district-part-broader-bid-economic-reinvention Cleveland Innovation District is part of broader bid for economic reinvention “The Cleveland Clinic dominated headlines last week with its commitment to spending $300 million and plans for a building — a tower, one source said — for its new Global Center for Pathogen Research & Human Health. But Dr. Tom Mihaljevic, the health care giant's president and CEO, stressed that the innovation-focused alliance isn't a Clinic-centric initiative.”
January 31, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Sapper Daddy said: plans for a building — a tower, one source said I try to stay focused on the economy and equality, because that’s obviously more important for the region than aesthetics. But how cool would it be if in our lifetime the skyline stretched all the way from downtown to UC 😆.
February 7, 20214 yr On 1/31/2021 at 2:35 PM, LlamaLawyer said: I try to stay focused on the economy and equality, because that’s obviously more important for the region than aesthetics. But how cool would it be if in our lifetime the skyline stretched all the way from downtown to UC 😆. Like Wilshire Blvd. from downtown to Century City in LA, Peachtree St. from downtown to Buckhead in ATL, or Biscayne Blvd. from downtown to midtown in MIA. Edited February 7, 20214 yr by Frmr CLEder
February 17, 20214 yr Decent coverage of the biorepository project by cleveland.com, which hints at a bigger future for the building. Now if Sen. Brown would bestir himself and get the project an NIH charter we'd be in business. https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2021/02/new-cleveland-clinic-biorepository-building-aims-to-capitalize-on-ohio-funded-innovation-district-developer-says.html Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 17, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Dougal said: a bigger future for the building.... The building is quite small. Don't let the wide-angle images fool you, its not a big buidling. I don't know why they built is so tiny. It's at most two stories above grade, so maybe 3 total if there is a one-level basement.
February 17, 20214 yr 50 minutes ago, Pugu said: The building is quite small. Don't let the wide-angle images fool you, its not a big buidling. I don't know why they built is so tiny. It's at most two stories above grade, so maybe 3 total if there is a one-level basement. how much room would you say each tray needs..??
February 17, 20214 yr 56 minutes ago, Pugu said: The building is quite small. Don't let the wide-angle images fool you, its not a big buidling. I don't know why they built is so tiny. It's at most two stories above grade, so maybe 3 total if there is a one-level basement. We don't need a big building just now; we need big plans. Atlanta has the CDC, that started in two rooms; Cleveland deserves the "National Biological and Pathological Data Center", that starts with this building. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 17, 20214 yr Plus there's every indication that the new pathogens center is going to be a rather large structure. Given the cost figures thrown around, it's probably going to be roughly the size of the new Sherwin-Williams Technology Center in Brecksville. In other words, something in the neighborhood of 500,000 square feet. For reference, the Health Education Campus is 477,000 square feet.... Or the Clinic's 16-story Walker Center built in 1985 is 443,988 square feet Thanks @MayDay for the above pic! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20214 yr Couple of interesting things from the cle.com article: 1. The new Biorepository center was originally going to be built at the SW corner of Cedar and 105th (across the street from the IBM building and on the Opportunity Corridor). Thankfully, pushback from the community moved it further down Cedar, saving this prime intersection for Innovation Square. The cle.com article states that this would consist of "500 homes and a grocery store." Presumably, this is the same development that KJP has been writing about for months and would include the long sought "neighborhood" Meijer's 40k sf grocery store. 2. The Biorepository Center is around 25,000 s.f. So if the Global Pathogen Center in fact winds up at 500k s.f. as KJP mentioned above, then we're looking at a building (compound?) 20 times the size of the Bio center. Exciting! Question for you, KJP--I would imagine that the Global Pathogen Center winds up somewhere in/around the Cleveland Innovation District you wrote about last month. From what I understand, that District is planned for the area south of Cedar and west of 105th Street (correct me if I'm wrong). Have you heard anything about a specific location for the 500k sf building? That thing is going to be a whale and it if it does land in the area I mentioned (basically Fairfax), that would be a significant expansion of the Clinic's geographic footprint. Right now, the main campus primarily stretched from Chester down to Carneige with a few outposts on Cedar. Edited February 18, 20214 yr by Down_with_Ctown
February 18, 20214 yr From what little I've heard, the pathogens center may be at the southeast corner of the Cleveland Clinic campus, somewhere near the intersection of East 105th Street and Carnegie/Cedar Avenue. I normally don't make predictions but I'm going to take a guess here... I think it’s going to be on the southeast corner of East 105th and Carnegie. The reason? Remember the photo below by @originaljbw taken last June? I first thought the survey work was for the proposed mixed-use development by Fairmount Properties including the Meijer grocery store. Well, we now know that that development is going to be on the Southwest corner of East 105th and Cedar (see https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/10/more-apartments-grocery-store-planned.html). So what were the surveyors doing at East 105th and Carnegie? Perhaps they were considering a site for the new pathogens center? And I did hear from one source that they were looking in this general area for the pathogens center. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: From what little I've heard, the pathogens center may be at the southeast corner of the Cleveland Clinic campus, somewhere near the intersection of East 105th Street and Carnegie/Cedar Avenue. I normally don't make predictions but I'm going to take a guess here... I think it’s going to be on the southeast corner of East 105th and Carnegie. The reason? Remember the photo below by @originaljbw taken last June? I first thought the survey work was for the proposed mixed-use development by Fairmount Properties including the Meijer grocery store. Well, we now know that that development is going to be on the Southwest corner of East 105th and Cedar (see https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/10/more-apartments-grocery-store-planned.html). So what were the surveyors doing at East 105th and Carnegie? Perhaps they were considering a site for the new pathogens center? And I did hear from one source that they were looking in this general area for the pathogens center. Thanks! So at a projected size of 500,000 s.f., and a relatively small footprint at Carneige & 105th, might we see some serious height with this project? From your pic above it's within walking distance of the W.O. Walker tower so it would fit well on campus.
February 18, 20214 yr @KJP & others---regarding "Innovation Square" I thought it was the corner of Hudson & 105 per an earlier post and article by KJP. Or is it 105 and Cedar? or Carnegie? as suggested in the few posts above? Or is it not a street corner at all, but something else? Also is it an official city-designated square or just name given by its developer?
February 18, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Down_with_Ctown said: Thanks! So at a projected size of 500,000 s.f., and a relatively small footprint at Carneige & 105th, might we see some serious height with this project? From your pic above it's within walking distance of the W.O. Walker tower so it would fit well on campus. Michelle referenced a source who said it would be a vertical building. There's lots of land to the south of Cedar and east of East 105th if the desire was to build something horizontal, and Fairfax CDC's masterplan calls for that. So if the Clinic wanted to build a horizontal building, they could. But it seems like they want something closer to their campus -- maybe even *shocking* within walking distance. Of course, the walking would be via gerbil tubes, including the existing one over East 105th. Putting something closer to campus probably means a vertical building. 1 hour ago, Pugu said: @KJP & others---regarding "Innovation Square" I thought it was the corner of Hudson & 105 per an earlier post and article by KJP. Or is it 105 and Cedar? or Carnegie? as suggested in the few posts above? Or is it not a street corner at all, but something else? Also is it an official city-designated square or just name given by its developer? Fairfax's Innovation Square is a three-phased development featuring 223 mixed-income housing units along with some small ground-floor commercial uses. Here's what I wrote about it nearly a year ago ( https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/03/cleveland-clinic-fairfax-seek-homes-biz.html ).... The first phase will rise at 2258 East 105th. That will become the northwest corner of East 105th and Hudson Avenue -- once Hudson is extended west of East 105th. The new street will extend past the north edge of the new Playwright Park to East 100th Street, according to the neighborhood masterplan. Several homes were acquired by Fairfax Renaissance and demolition approved by the city to make way for the new street. And I noticed this little comment from the Clinic in that same article..... “Now that the northern section of Opportunity Corridor is open, we plan to further develop the southeast part of our campus," said the Cleveland Clinic's media relations department in a written statement issued in response to requests for information by NEOtrans. And a streetview of the southeast corner of East 105th and Carnegie.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20214 yr Glad for this. I would so enjoy to have the Doubletree hotel looking & feeling more physically connected to the rest of the known universe.
February 19, 20214 yr And in the distant future the Doubletree's parking lot could be filled in like with a Beacon style building and everyone wins!
March 3, 20214 yr Pathogens center coming sooner rather than later https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/03/seventeen-10-story-projects-may-see.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 4, 20214 yr Sounds like it's going to be taller than I expected. I was expecting something massive and mid-rise like the Heart Center.
March 4, 20214 yr 34 minutes ago, X said: Sounds like it's going to be taller than I expected. I was expecting something massive and mid-rise like the Heart Center. It could still be if it goes south of Cedar along East 105th. If it goes north of Cedar, there simply isn't the room for a fatter building. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 7, 20214 yr Would a 300 ft tower show up in this photo? (old photo; current view features One University Circle prominently). If so, we’re not just getting a bazillion new jobs, we’re also improving the (arguably) most beautiful view in the city? Ka-ching.
March 7, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Would a 300 ft tower show up in this photo? (old photo; current view features One University Circle prominently). If so, we’re not just getting a bazillion new jobs, we’re also improving the (arguably) most beautiful view in the city? Ka-ching. not sure how many have gone south on e 105th starting around the VA hospital.... but you get a gorgeous view of the University circle skyline.... Adding circle square and a pathogen tower would make it amazing....
March 7, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, lockdog said: not sure how many have gone south on e 105th starting around the VA hospital.... but you get a gorgeous view of the University circle skyline.... Adding circle square and a pathogen tower would make it amazing.... What's even better is the view from the Blue and Green lines between the East 93rd and East 79th stations. You get quite a panoramic view of downtown University Circle from the train. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 18, 20214 yr Cleveland Clinic biorepository building, joining the Global Cardiovascular Innovations Center and IBM along the south side of Cedar (3-17-21)
March 30, 20214 yr very exciting... I thought the medical school using AR was impressive.... but this puts the clinic on par with anyone in pathological research... IMO "Discovery Accelerator,’ a new Cleveland Clinic-IBM partnership, will use quantum computer, artificial intelligence to speed up medical innovations" "The partnership will allow Clinic researchers to use the advanced tech in its new Global Center for Pathogen Research and Human Health for research into genomics, population health, clinical applications, and chemical and drug discovery." https://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/2021/03/discovery-accelerator-a-new-cleveland-clinic-ibm-partnership-will-use-quantum-computer-artificial-intelligence-to-speed-up-medical-innovations.html Edited March 30, 20214 yr by lockdog
March 30, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, lockdog said: very exciting... I thought the medical school using AR was impressive.... but this puts the clinic on par with anyone in pathological research... IMO "Discovery Accelerator,’ a new Cleveland Clinic-IBM partnership, will use quantum computer, artificial intelligence to speed up medical innovations" "The partnership will allow Clinic researchers to use the advanced tech in its new Global Center for Pathogen Research and Human Health for research into genomics, population health, clinical applications, and chemical and drug discovery." https://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/2021/03/discovery-accelerator-a-new-cleveland-clinic-ibm-partnership-will-use-quantum-computer-artificial-intelligence-to-speed-up-medical-innovations.html Another part of the pattern: the computing capacity also meshes nicely with the new biorepository. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 30, 20214 yr I didn't know that quantum computing was this close to being a reality. I feel like I woke up and found out someone was going to build a warp engine in my backyard! (ok, may be overstating it a little)
April 2, 20214 yr This question probably reveals my naivete about all things quantum computing, but does anyone know the actual, physical size of this Discovery Accelerator contraption? And do we know what specific building it will be housed in on CCF's campus? Maybe the latter never really gets publicized for security reasons, but I'm just interested from a real estate standpoint where this thing will be housed. Presumably, people will be coming from far and wide to observe this thing (although with cloud computing these days, maybe not) so I'm curious where the "action" (if any) will be in UC. Again, I may be wrong, but I'm picturing in my mind some kind of huge ENIAC-type thing that will dominate whatever floor and/or building it winds up in.
April 2, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 2, 20214 yr it states in the article where the second generation quantum computer will be built... the global center for pathogen research.... As far as the first quantum computer, they do not say what building.... Quantum computers have to be built from the ground up to certain specifications and super cooled.... With the system on site there is no need to share any computing power with anyone else.... If quantum computing works it should be a draw for researchers, students and medical companies.... Edited April 2, 20214 yr by lockdog
April 2, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Down_with_Ctown said: This question probably reveals my naivete about all things quantum computing, but does anyone know the actual, physical size of this Discovery Accelerator contraption? From Wiki: IBM Q System One is the world's first-ever circuit-based commercial quantum computer, introduced by IBM in January 2019.[1][2][3] IBM Q System One is a 20-qubit computer.[1] This integrated quantum computing system is housed in a 9x9x9 ft[2] air-tight glass cube that maintains a controlled physical environment.[2] The system was tested for the first time in the summer of 2018, for two weeks, in Milan, Italy. I'm guessing i/o devices are external to the cube. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 4, 20214 yr The IBM quantum computers they currently have would fit in a supply closet. I’m not sure how big this one would be as it would be 20x+ the number of qubits (like a bit, but quantum) as the current largest one that exists. If this thing gets built and works as researchers project, it will be the most important computer in the world. You can’t even imagine the things these devices may be able to do.
April 4, 20214 yr Here is more info about the IBM Quantum and the Clinic from a new publication named after ME...lol. It actually looks like pretty legit media group I just subscribed! Any lawyers here? Maybe I should sue them... https://www.freethink.com/articles/ibm-quantum-computer
April 9, 20214 yr if any building should have a museum it's the global center for pathogen research.. the history of pathogens, quantum mechanics primer, why quantum computers (could) help unlock the complexities of nature... which is based on quantum mechanics.... I find that much more interesting than the history of paint, and some people need to be more aware of science.... 🤔 but then, maybe a painter would disagree... 🙃
April 9, 20214 yr There was a health museum in Cleveland at one time, but it got gobbled up by Cleveland Clinic.
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