6 minutes ago, OldEnough said:

isn't most of the back office stuff in the old MBNA offices in Beachwood?

 

 

I recalled they had some stuff in the MBNA offices but I thought it was just billing, accounting, etc. Wow, they don't sit still for very long....so maybe they could be persuaded to move downtown! LOL

 

Anyway, to keep this on topic, so now we have two 1-million-square-foot or bigger buildings in the works in Cleveland at the same time. Go Cleveland!

Aaaaand NEOtrans is down. @KJPcongrats on yet another bombshell scoop! 😆

Edited February 14, 20223 yr by CCC

1 minute ago, CCC said:

Aaaaand NEO Trans is down. @KJPcongrats on yet another bombshell scoop! 😆

 

NEOtrans...where success is measured by failure.

22 hours ago, KJP said:

I was told last fall that the P Building (surgery center) would be cleared out this winter and demolished soon thereafter for the Neuro Institute. I haven't heard if the vacating of P Building is underway yet as my source on that has gone silent.

Well, as of just now, there are still quite a few offices with employees still working in them, and the second floor waiting room and parking garage are still very utilized for same day surgery appointments on the second floor of the M building:

 

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

I recalled they had some stuff in the MBNA offices but I thought it was just billing, accounting, etc. Wow, they don't sit still for very long....so maybe they could be persuaded to move downtown! LOL

 

Anyway, to keep this on topic, so now we have two 1-million-square-foot or bigger buildings in the works in Cleveland at the same time. Go Cleveland!

Yes, the old MBNA (CCAC - Cleveland Clinic Administrative Campus) site still has plenty of empty space and contains most of the finance and HR departments, and almost all new employees have to report to CCAC for onboarding and occupational health screening. Quite a few employees from the old TRW campus next to Legacy Village also relocated to CCAC when CCF sold TRW. The rest went to Independence, like the scheduling call center.

NEOtrans is back. Let's crash it again! 

58 minutes ago, WhatUp said:

Well, as of just now, there are still quite a few offices with employees still working in them, and the second floor waiting room and parking garage are still very utilized for same day surgery appointments on the second floor of the M building:

 

Yes, the old MBNA (CCAC - Cleveland Clinic Administrative Campus) site still has plenty of empty space and contains most of the finance and HR departments, and almost all new employees have to report to CCAC for onboarding and occupational health screening. Quite a few employees from the old TRW campus next to Legacy Village also relocated to CCAC when CCF sold TRW. The rest went to Independence, like the scheduling call center.

 

yeah being remote since pandemic, i have now lost my old offices at main campus due to people being shifted out of P, but i’m not sure where they are in the process.  

MBNA seems like such a waste as it always seems abandoned, but legal is also located there. 

I have gotten conflicting reports of TRW.  Every time I hear its been sold somebody that works out there says it isn't true…

Edited February 14, 20223 yr by willyboy

On 2/14/2022 at 11:00 AM, KJP said:

 

I recalled they had some stuff in the MBNA offices but I thought it was just billing, accounting, etc. Wow, they don't sit still for very long....so maybe they could be persuaded to move downtown! LOL

 

Anyway, to keep this on topic, so now we have two 1-million-square-foot or bigger buildings in the works in Cleveland at the same time. Go Cleveland!

 

 

There's also a bunch of their IT Departments out there at those offices in Beachwood.  Their Help Desk, most System Engineers, Messaging Department amongst others.

 

I always thought it'd be neat to have a CCF Tower here in downtown Cleveland.  Probably wont happen though ...  They do have an Express Care Clinic downtown on Euclid. 

 

Who'd a thunk that a bunch of posts arguing about Downtown vacancy rates would be off topic in a discussion about Cleveland Clinic Development news?

 

Demolitions to start for Clinic’s largest building
By Ken Prendergast / March 30, 2022

 

Cleveland Clinic is requesting a demolition permit from the city to make way for the largest building ever to be constructed by the global health care system. The permit requested from the Cleveland Building and Housing Department would allow the Clinic to raze its Surgery Center and adjacent parking garage, at 2083 E. 89th St. at Carnegie Avenue.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/03/30/demolitions-to-start-for-clinics-largest-building/

I’m thrilled with the success and prestige of the Cleveland Clinic - they are one of those names that helps really define the greatness of Cleveland.  I’m also stoked about this larger-than SW building, for sure. 
 

I do, however find the initial rendering of the building somewhat underwhelming. To me, there’s a bit of a cold, clinical (ok, bad word to use in this context but hopefully you get my point) look in the image on NEOTRANS. 
I do like the greenery as depicted and the pavillion - like roof. I don’t know - Maybe I was hoping for something too iconic for this project… 

 

I know it’s just an early rendering and no sense to react definitively anyway - but I’m just curious.  What do forum members make of it at this early juncture?  My impression could be off from what the majority are thinking - but I’m just catching a vibe that there’s not a lot of excitement being generated by it.  Again, just  curious- hoping some forum members will comment on their reactions to the design.  My opinion can be swayed on this! 
 

 

Edited April 1, 20223 yr by CleveFan

The final product, assuming the design doesn't significantly change, will likely resemble the rendering at best or be value-engineered down at worst (but probably not much of the latter). The Clinic isn't generally one for uniquely striking architecture. For example, I think the Health Education Campus/Samson Pavillion is a good proxy for the prevailing style of the Clinic's higher-profile developments.

Okay, but The Clinic is known internationally for sensitive and striking architecture, so what gives over their aesthetic decision-making here at home in Clevo?

Edited April 1, 20223 yr by ExPatClevGuy

I'll throw in my 2 cents. I think the design is alright. I do love the scale. It's no attention grabber by any means but I'm sure the Clinic doesn't want that anyway. My biggest concern is not with the design but with the location. This building faces a massive parking garage on a very non-descript side-street. Seems like all that does is minimize the place. Logistically it dovetails with the rest of campus which is important from a time standpoint I guess. As a retired employee I have not so fond memories of hoofing from one end of campus to the other. And the footprint is only getting larger. But FROM a design standpoint I would have preferred seeing this same building facing Euclid right where the the old Playhouse parking lot starts. 

 

Maybe they sacrificed fit (prominent location) for fit (logistically better suited). 

1 hour ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Okay, but The Clinic is known internationally for sensitive and striking architecture, so what gives over their aesthetic decision-making here at home in Clevo?

Probably to not flaunt as a “non profit” that contributes next to nothing in charity care for that tag. 

The London Building is obviously an old building that they've updated.  The Abu Dhabi location is branded and managed by CC but I don't believe they own it - or payed for the design and construction.  That said, I also would love to see more buildings that look like this locally. 

 

It looks to me like there could be some “jenga tower” elements to the building based off that one image, but certainly not as pronounced as CCF Abu Dhabi.  Do we even know if this is the design or is it just a place holder image for the upcoming project?

29 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said:

It looks to me like there could be some “jenga tower” elements to the building based off that one image, but certainly not as pronounced as CCF Abu Dhabi.  Do we even know if this is the design or is it just a place holder image for the upcoming project?

 

I wouldn't assume anything at this point.  I'd just call it a concept.

5 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I wouldn't assume anything at this point.  I'd just call it a concept.

100 story Jenga tower confirmed. 

 

Edit: ...or they're moving to Atlanta

Edited April 1, 20223 yr by GISguy

3 hours ago, GISguy said:

100 story Jenga tower confirmed. 

 

Edit: ...or they're moving to Atlanta

 

 

 

Cleveland Clinic: on your mark, get set, build!

By Ken Prendergast / April 8, 2022

 

More, bigger and sooner was the message this week from the Cleveland Clinic about its Main Campus expansion plans. And the sites and timings of those plans got a lot clearer at the Clinic’s inaugural Construction Supplier Diversity and Inclusion Day.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/04/08/cleveland-clinic-on-your-mark-get-set-build/

@KJP You had me at 3,000 new/relocated permanent jobs.

What's with the two areas on the Clinic's map that are demarcated by red dashed lines?

So we will have 2 One million sqft buildings going up at about the same time in each of our business distlricts.  I'll take that.

1 hour ago, X said:

What's with the two areas on the Clinic's map that are demarcated by red dashed lines?

 

It's gotta be demolitions. I vaguely recall Cleveland Clinic considering demolishing its original 1921 building, the T Building. 

 

1 hour ago, freethink said:

So we will have 2 One million sqft buildings going up at about the same time in each of our business distlricts.  I'll take that.

 

Depending on how big Bedrock intends to build, could be three buildings.

What's with the two areas on the Clinic's map that are demarcated by red dashed lines?

 

It's gotta be demolitions. I vaguely recall Cleveland Clinic considering demolishing its original 1921 building, the T Building. 

 

Correct, T building and Mellon Center are not expected to survive.  These are the 2 buildings with the red dashes.  

It'll be a shame to lose T building, and does the Mellon Center demo include the White Mansion?

Also not happy about any potential demolition of these buildings.  Moreover, demoing the T building without plans for a new building on the site would leave a huge unsightly gash on Euclid.  With all that is in the works with the three projects breaking ground this year or early next, I don't think the Clinic has the will or resources to focus on another large construction project at the site of the T building (or the Playhouse/Sears site if they are still dreaming about tearing those down).

 

And if they want to tear down the White Mansion lets hope Planning Commission (or Landmarks if they have jurisdiction) step in.  Let's see if the PC has the balls to go up against the Clinic like they did against a relatively minor developer that wanted to tear down those lonely and historically insignificant  townhomes on Cedar last week which actually blocked a positive development.

If I'm reading this correctly it looks like the Neurologic Institute will be set back from Carnegie. If so does the entrance face Carnegie and is that little green rectangle going to be a landscaped area? 

 

Too bad the Pathogen Center will be broken up into three buildings. It seems a little odd unless they expect each of them to focus on different research. At any rate this is the kind of development that Cleveland needs to zero in on. Build on your strengths and create a critical mass so money will beget more money and more talent.

 

Over my 20 years at CCF I had an office in the S, T and Cole. Believe me, the S and T building are straight out of 1930 and not in a good way. That whole group of building from the original one facing Euclid (that IS a classic one) running through S, T and whatever else is attached is old, inefficient and does not speak to the message the Clinic is trying to convey - that being a 21th century organization. No one who works in those buildings will miss them. As to what or when they will be replaced with after demolition I'm sure the powers to be will come up with something. 

I wouldn't read too much into the placement of those project blocks on the map. The conceptual rendering is probably a little more instructive as to what the Clinic has in mind regarding placement on the site. But even then it's still just conceptual at this early stage.

2 hours ago, cadmen said:

Too bad the Pathogen Center will be broken up into three buildings. It seems a little odd unless they expect each of them to focus on different research.

 

 

That was my thought. Maybe the buildings need different climate and pressure systems to support the research within. 

4 hours ago, X said:

It'll be a shame to lose T building, and does the Mellon Center demo include the White Mansion?

No

On 4/1/2022 at 11:37 AM, ExPatClevGuy said:

Okay, but The Clinic is known internationally for sensitive and striking architecture, so what gives over their aesthetic decision-making here at home in Clevo?

What I like about the Abu Dubai site is that it seems to incorporate the Cleveland Clinic logo into its design in subtle ways, such as its block-like structure as well as the blue lights above the green lawn below.

Surprise surprise for someone on this forum to say it (ha!) but I was hoping for some kind of a vertical statement from all this Cleveland Clinic development. 
 

With the Pathogen Center, seems like we could’ve gotten a much taller singular tower out of the deal - not that it’s all about towers - but I was kind of hoping for something  statement- making reflecting the world famous prestige of the Clinic. 
 

And it’s not like CC  doesn’t have the money to make it happen I would think. Of course, I’m sure they’re investing in the real purpose - state of the art medical infrastructure. 
 

But these are just the true confessions of a 

guy who’s first fascination with a building was the Terminal Tower. I’m still that excited  kid when it comes to any new tall building in Cleveland! 

Are the types of environmental controls needed for a Pathogen Center compatible with high-rises?

 

I’ve heard that the city conveyed to cleveland clinic they didn’t want any towers or buildings higher than those on campus now. That’s part of the reason that their planned neurological institute was moved to a larger location on Carnegie versus the initial spot Euclid.

 

4 hours ago, CleveFan said:

I was hoping for some kind of a vertical statement from all this Cleveland Clinic development. 

 

14 minutes ago, MrR said:

I’ve heard that the city conveyed to cleveland clinic they didn’t want any towers or buildings higher than those on campus now. That’s part of the reason that their planned neurological institute was moved to a larger location on Carnegie versus the initial spot Euclid.

 

 

What would the city's reasoning be?  

18 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

What would the city's reasoning be?  

The city is likely worried about integration with the adjacent residential neighborhoods to the south and north, plus access by fire fighters for patient evacuation. 

 

Especially the latter makes sense. 

1 hour ago, MrR said:

The city is likely worried about integration with the adjacent residential neighborhoods to the south and north, plus access by fire fighters for patient evacuation. 

 

Care to elaborate on the first theory?

1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Care to elaborate on the first theory?

 Blaine Griffin, the councilman for ward 6 and the cleveland clinic, has continuously claimed that residents of the Fairfax neighborhood feel threatened by the cleveland clinic displacing them and refusing to integrate into the Fairfax neighborhood with first floor retail and smaller more aesthetically welcoming buildings. 
 

 

Edited April 12, 20223 yr by MrR

If true that's just crap. A building of any height can have first floor retail or whatever is deemed "welcoming." Height has nothing to do with it. As long as the Clinic keeps designing the campus the way it has it will continue to not be welcoming. Height has nothing to do with that. UH is much more integrated. Mayo is even more integrated. Integrating with the community is a good thing but from my experience it's not something the Clinic is interested in, regardless of the occasional lip service.

 

So, if the Clinic is only going to pay lip service by pretending to care about opening up more to the surrounding community but not actually doing that they might as well continue to design as they please including building tall if desired. 

 

Old Play House gets May 16 curtain call
By Ken Prendergast / April 29, 2022

 

The Cleveland Clinic Foundation and Fairfax Renaissance Development Corp. will host a public meeting to gather community input on what to do with the vacant former home of the Cleveland Play House (CPH), 8500 Euclid Ave. The meeting is part of a larger effort by the community development corporation and the Clinic to refine a multi-billion-dollar construction masterplan for the health system’s Main Campus.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/04/29/old-play-house-gets-a-curtain-call/

On 4/1/2022 at 1:15 PM, OldEnough said:

The London Building is obviously an old building that they've updated.  The Abu Dhabi location is branded and managed by CC but I don't believe they own it - or payed for the design and construction.  That said, I also would love to see more buildings that look like this locally. 

 

That's correct Mubadada Investment Company built and owns the Abu Dhabi site. The clinic manages it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs_fxaYPzGQ

On 4/1/2022 at 11:37 AM, ExPatClevGuy said:

Okay, but The Clinic is known internationally for sensitive and striking architecture, so what gives over their aesthetic decision-making here at home in Clevo?

Not only is the design better at the Abu Dubai site but the food service is something to marvel at. 

 

One can argue both sides here but really, there is only one paramount issue; is there a way to make use of the space that makes financial sense? 

 

Sure, the original Play House does have some historical and possibly architectural significance. Is that enough to save the structure if the use for which it was intended is no longer in place? What other uses can a building that is comprised of several fairly large conference (theatres) rooms and adjoining halls be used for? I think the only way to save the exterior and repurpose the place would be to gut the interior and turn it into offices. Would that work? Is it financially doable? Does the Clinic need that office space? 

 

That's the bottom line here. Saving the structure means it has to have a use and it has to make financial sense. If not it has to go. 

On 4/30/2022 at 11:45 AM, cadmen said:

One can argue both sides here but really, there is only one paramount issue; is there a way to make use of the space that makes financial sense? 

 

Sure, the original Play House does have some historical and possibly architectural significance. Is that enough to save the structure if the use for which it was intended is no longer in place? What other uses can a building that is comprised of several fairly large conference (theatres) rooms and adjoining halls be used for? I think the only way to save the exterior and repurpose the place would be to gut the interior and turn it into offices. Would that work? Is it financially doable? Does the Clinic need that office space? 

 

That's the bottom line here. Saving the structure means it has to have a use and it has to make financial sense. If not it has to go. 

I wonder if the space is conducive to meetings and conferences using the theaters, assuming the spaces are retrofitted with modern AV equipment? Maybe host trainings or things like that. Could the space then be rented out to other entities when not in use by the Clinic?

 

The rest of the site could be built on for future Clinic expansion. 

Edited May 3, 20223 yr by Mov2Ohio

^It's unfortunate that they didn't have the opportunity to acquire the Play House before committing to build the Intercontinental in place of the old Omni.  It would make sense to have the conference capabilities of the Play House adjacent to a hotel. 

That being said, a lot of continuing medical education has shifted to online or virtual conferences.  I may never travel again for one.

You're right. The large conference room (often separated into smaller spaces when necessary) attached to the hotel seems to be all the conference space needed at this time. If the hotel/conference center hadn't been built in its present location perhaps it could have been built adjacent to the Play House and used the theater's for meetings.

 

As it is l could see the theater space possibly used for training. Maybe. But another problem working against saving the facility is apparently it needs alot of deferred maintenance. Expensive maintenance. For any of the above scenarios to take place one has to assume the Clinic cares about architecturally significant buildings. It doesn't. 

Cleveland Clinic announces $1.3 billion in projects, including new Neurological Institute on its main campus in Cleveland

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/05/cleveland-clinic-announces-13-billion-in-projects-including-new-neurological-institute-on-its-main-campus-in-cleveland.html

^The Playhouse demolition "first reported last year by a blogger based on anonymous sources".  Gee I wonder who that could be.  I guess because Cleveland.com is so late to the game in its reporting (after we have been discussing most of what is contained in the article for months), giving credit to Ken by actually stating his name would have been slightly embarrassing.