May 13, 20223 yr Today's press release from the Clinic was like reading a summary of my articles going back to last fall. But I wrote about it anyway.... Cleveland Clinic formally announces expansion By Ken Prendergast / May 13, 2022 Citing tremendous growth in the number of patients seeking health care, the Cleveland Clinic Foundation (CCF) today formally announced plans for $1.3 billion worth of facilities expansion worldwide. But most of the new construction is planned for its main campus near University Circle in Cleveland. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/05/13/cleveland-clinic-formally-announces-expansion/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 13, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, scb0525 said: Cleveland Clinic announces $1.3 billion in projects, including new Neurological Institute on its main campus in Cleveland https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/05/cleveland-clinic-announces-13-billion-in-projects-including-new-neurological-institute-on-its-main-campus-in-cleveland.html I'm not clear from Litt's article what ground is being broken on May 20th. The Cole expansion or the Neurological demolitions? Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 13, 20223 yr I understand an adaptive reuse of the Playhouse isn’t likely, but I imagine the old Sears department store part of the complex could be saved and repurposed as on campus housing. I’d imagine it’d fill up immediately. Edited May 13, 20223 yr by marty15
May 13, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, Dougal said: I'm not clear from Litt's article what ground is being broken on May 20th. The Cole expansion or the Neurological demolitions? Cole
May 22, 20223 yr Some of the images used in this Crain’s article really help with seeing the scale of the Clinic’s massive main campus expansion.
May 23, 20223 yr Great stuff. Would love to see UC, CC, MidTown and Dowtown Cle Alliance team up with the city to give Carnegie a facelift. The avenue is a complete mess and an embarrassment to the city from CC all the way to west 25th.
May 23, 20223 yr ^especially now with the Opportunity Corridor open. Give Carnegie the same treatment Clifton got.
May 23, 20223 yr That would be fantastic. I realize we're not going to replace the dozens of abandoned businesses over night - but there's absolutely nothing being done to make the area more attractive for potential (or current) development. Imagine going to look at a place in the Foundry - what a welcome that ride down Carnegie is.
May 23, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, OldEnough said: That would be fantastic. I realize we're not going to replace the dozens of abandoned businesses over night - but there's absolutely nothing being done to make the area more attractive for potential (or current) development. Imagine going to look at a place in the Foundry - what a welcome that ride down Carnegie is. I think you will start to see proposals for more new projects on Carnegie, specifically the stretch between East 55th and the Clinic Campus. Honestly though out of all the East Side Avenues, I don't think a single one looks good the whole route from Downtown to UC. Cleveland has nothing to compare to a High Street in Columbus. Euclid could, but I think a lot of people Bypass that road so they don't have to deal with the signaling installed there for the Euclid Corridor busses. Superior or particularly St Clair could one day provide that type of avenue, but their course veers to the North east, missing University Circle, so maybe not the best roads to focus on. Honestly, Lorain Avenue is the closest road that is on its way to becoming that main drag, full of businesses and busy sidewalks all the way down.
May 23, 20223 yr I've often thought what if UC, starting from the Clinic going east would look like if it that area began at the innerbelt. That would be a tight area of development. Imagine the spillover of activity from downtown to the new UC and vice versa. Instead of having two smaller areas of energy we would have a much larger single one. And I think that single entity would be greater than the two existing ones now. Yep, those are just some of the crazy thoughts running through my amateur urban planner brain. Of course I think about stuff like that only after I create world peace. You know...priorities.
May 23, 20223 yr We're already seeing lots of new, small businesses opening up along Carnegie. It's an uncoordinated mishmash but I like a little bit of that in a city. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 30, 20222 yr Does it still appear that work will begin this year on the Center of Infectious Diseases? I'm sorta surprised we haven't heard more about it.
August 1, 20222 yr On 7/30/2022 at 9:11 AM, LlamaLawyer said: Does it still appear that work will begin this year on the Center of Infectious Diseases? I'm sorta surprised we haven't heard more about it. Its been somewhat hush hush aside from “general”, news. Seen some renders but not to the extent of something that should be breaking ground soon. According to CCF, it is still expected to break ground this year and only slightly behind schedule. They have been converting space in NA to additional research space.
August 1, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, willyboy said: Its been somewhat hush hush aside from “general”, news. Seen some renders but not to the extent of something that should be breaking ground soon. According to CCF, it is still expected to break ground this year and only slightly behind schedule. They have been converting space in NA to additional research space.
August 1, 20222 yr 8 minutes ago, willyboy said: Those renderings are actually not that horrible. Like all the glass. Should do much to improve the Cedar Rd experience even if it probably won't increase street activity that much. Hopefully employees will leave their fortress and walk down Cedar to the new grocery store a few blocks east. Would have been nice if they had given this much thought to the dental clinic on Chester.
August 1, 20222 yr 33 minutes ago, willyboy said: Its been somewhat hush hush aside from “general”, news. Seen some renders but not to the extent of something that should be breaking ground soon. According to CCF, it is still expected to break ground this year and only slightly behind schedule. They have been converting space in NA to additional research space. i have an ask -- maybe somebody could get us before pics of the sites -- before they get started? 👍
August 1, 20222 yr According to permit applications, CCF apparently is already doing some work on the existing building just north of the first phase of the Center for Infectious Diseases (CID), NW corner of Cedar and East 100th. The work appears to relocate some utilities/connections to make way for the CID. But I haven't seen any permit applications or anything pending with the city regarding any of the CCF's big projects. And yet they've stashed some construction trailers (or perhaps as some temporary offices for relocated CCF activities?) on East 105th at Carnegie. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 1, 20222 yr 28 minutes ago, KJP said: According to permit applications, CCF apparently is already doing some work on the existing building just north of the first phase of the Center for Infectious Diseases (CID), NW corner of Cedar and East 100th. The work appears to relocate some utilities/connections to make way for the CID. But I haven't seen any permit applications or anything pending with the city regarding any of the CCF's big projects. And yet they've stashed some construction trailers (or perhaps as some temporary offices for relocated CCF activities?) on East 105th at Carnegie. Yes thats what i mentioned in my post. They have been working in LRI, section NA (wing along e. 100) to lab space.
August 1, 20222 yr 22 minutes ago, willyboy said: Yes thats what i mentioned in my post. They have been working in LRI, section NA (wing along e. 100) to lab space. Ah, OK. I wasn't aware that N Building had a section called NA. It probably mentioned NA in the permit application but I didn't notice it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 19, 20222 yr Oops! Thanks. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 24, 20222 yr Drove by on E 89th and Carnegie. Fence was going up around the P building. Rest in pieces.
August 25, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: Drove by on E 89th and Carnegie. Fence was going up around the P building. Rest in pieces. Still a couple of months away from demo. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 28, 20222 yr On 8/26/2022 at 4:08 PM, KJP said: Lotsa stuff happenin' Cleveland Clinic’s big projects are on the move By Ken Prendergast / August 26, 2022 To say that the Cleveland Clinic has a lot of development activity happening would be a major understatement. And some of that $1.3 billion worth of construction at its Main Campus is already starting to manifest itself on the landscape. This week, the Clinic is starting site preparation work for its massive new Neurological Institute on Carnegie Avenue. It also delivered plans to the city for its expanded Cole Eye Institute to be reviewed starting next week. The health care system has been prepping the site for the first phase of its new pathogens center. And it is finalizing plans for a full or partial demolition and redevelopment of the ex-Cleveland Play House property, the details for which could be released this fall. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/08/26/cleveland-clinics-big-projects-are-on-the-move/ I'm not a demolition expert, but do they usually demolish interiors if the entire building is coming down? They started interior demolition on the inside of the second floor of the old Sears building fronting Carnegie within the past few weeks, but that was newishly remodeled, so I can't imagine there was an abatement issue that caused this, so why tear out if not to remodel? sorry the pic isn't that great (corner of Carnegie and E86th) those bay windows had also been carboarded up from the inside until recently. The space in that corner was set up to train students for mock codes in a hospital setting so that debris is recent. For reference, that entire floor was finished office space and looked like this: this is the opposite side of that same room 2 years ago
August 28, 20222 yr If theres asbestos containing materials, or any materials inside that can't be dumped at a C&D facility, then they have to abate those before mass demolition.
August 28, 20222 yr In other words, that building is likely gone. Which is interesting because this masterplan shows the Sears store gone but the theaters remaining. I don't know how old this is but it was included in the CCF's presentation to local design-review this week. Yet the aerial view of the ex-CPH site I led the article with shows a complete clearing and redevelopment of it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 30, 20222 yr Good illustrations about the Cole Eye Institute Addition in the presentation for Thursday's CPC meeting: https://assets.adobe.com/public/82901ee1-fb92-4778-7975-5301f94c149f/Design Review/2022-08-23_Euclid Ave. Planning Review Draft(1).pdf
September 18, 20222 yr The future of the Cleveland Play House site By Ken Prendergast / September 18, 2022 Planning and development activities by several large players are pointing toward the need for constructing thousands of housing units in and near the Cleveland Clinic and the nearby booming University Circle area. And while the large number of housing units already under construction in and near University Circle is evident, it’s likely that they will start rising west of the Clinic’s main campus soon. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/09/18/the-future-of-the-cleveland-play-house-site/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 20, 20222 yr On 9/18/2022 at 9:16 AM, KJP said: The future of the Cleveland Play House site By Ken Prendergast / September 18, 2022 Planning and development activities by several large players are pointing toward the need for constructing thousands of housing units in and near the Cleveland Clinic and the nearby booming University Circle area. And while the large number of housing units already under construction in and near University Circle is evident, it’s likely that they will start rising west of the Clinic’s main campus soon. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/09/18/the-future-of-the-cleveland-play-house-site/ Kind of a bummer to have to wait 3-4 years to learn what will ultimately become of the CPH/old Sears building site, but it may be a blessing in disguise to have that so much developable land unavailable and offline for a definite period. It will support land scarcity in the rest of UC and (hopefully) encourage developers to build more densely. Fairfax, Hough, and even East Cleveland should also benefit. Then, come 2026 or so, this property will be primed for development once the Neuro Institute, Cole expansion, and CID add thousands and thousand of new jobs to the area. Really exciting development path to follow. Edited September 20, 20222 yr by Down_with_Ctown
September 20, 20222 yr You think? It just seems like these hospitals don't ever result in significant ancillary jobs and surrounding neighborhood stability/desirability. Fifty years or the Clinic/University Hospital's expansion, fifty years of the area basically degrading. I just don't think medicine acts as any kind of economic engine.
September 20, 20222 yr 9 minutes ago, TBideon said: You think? It just seems like these hospitals don't ever result in significant ancillary jobs and surrounding neighborhood stability/desirability. Fifty years or the Clinic/University Hospital's expansion, fifty years of the area basically degrading. I just don't think medicine acts as any kind of economic engine. Brilliant observation. There's hardly any new development happening in University Circle.
September 20, 20222 yr I'd say Case and Little Italy are a bit more responsible than UH and the Clinic for some limited luxury housing developments of the last 15-20 years, basically since Peter Lewis chewed out the school. Meanwhile Hough, Glenville, Fairfax, Buckeye haven't exactly had an easy run despite their proximity to those thousands of jobs. Just go outside the hospitals. There isn't any commercial activity or walkable communities. And I don't think this necessarily unique to Cleveland.
September 20, 20222 yr So you're saying if you go beyond the developed areas there's no development? Makes sense lol I don't mean to be mean and I think I get what your point is but to say that the Clinic and UH haven't created jobs/development is just factually incorrect. AND we're finally seeing that spin-off commercial activity you refer to, not to mention housing, so again, your statement is just incorrect.
September 20, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, TBideon said: Just go outside the hospitals. There isn't any commercial activity or walkable communities. I will agree with you on that. Hopefully that changes. The only time I see people walking around outside the hospitals is when all the staff is going home/coming in at shift changes.
September 25, 20222 yr that's hard to change -- big hospital campuses have cafeterias and dont exactly encourage staff going outside on breaks. bringing streetlife back to the area will have to come from bringing in more residents and other businesses.
September 25, 20222 yr ^30 or 40 minute lunches don't allow time to do anything except zip through the onsite cafeteria or microwave something from home, even at the satellite hospitals and family health centers. I haven't left the building for lunch in years (thanks DoorDash...)
September 25, 20222 yr A number of years ago a friend opened a restaurant within walking distance of a large far west side hospital and medical office building. He thought it was a great location and his place would be packed at lunch with hospital employees (and medical office visitors). That type of business was practically zero. Just an occasional high up hospital administrator with more time for lunch or who might be holding a meeting with an outside vendor. Even that type of business was rare. Edited September 25, 20222 yr by Htsguy
September 25, 20222 yr Can confirm. Worked for many years in a restaurant in a hotel surrounded by hospital 2 blocks in any direction. They even hired a local 'celebrity' chef as a consultant so it would feel more like an independent restaurant. Fridays would usually be good, but on a campus with over 20,000+ employees we would struggle to get 70 lunch covers most days. It was always department heads, vendors, and philanthropy that came in to eat. As the newest buildings finish up and start taking resident, it will be interesting to see how it affects the area's restaurants.
September 25, 20222 yr 6 minutes ago, originaljbw said: Can confirm. Worked for many years in a restaurant in a hotel surrounded by hospital 2 blocks in any direction. They even hired a local 'celebrity' chef as a consultant so it would feel more like an independent restaurant. Fridays would usually be good, but on a campus with over 20,000+ employees we would struggle to get 70 lunch covers most days. It was always department heads, vendors, and philanthropy that came in to eat. As the newest buildings finish up and start taking resident, it will be interesting to see how it affects the area's restaurants. Classics/table 45... Even when our department had a yearly holiday lunch it would be at the North Coast Cafe.... Never Table 45 for some reason.
September 25, 20222 yr one of my worksites was next to a hospital in manhattan, beth israel, and those staff would get out for lunch as it was just a standalone hospital, but a huge hospital campus like the clinic? or like say houston or the mayo? forget it. you stay on the campus. same even in nyc with like bellevue. Edited September 25, 20222 yr by mrnyc
September 27, 20222 yr Anyone have any thoughts as to whether or not the Library Lofts will need a tower crane?
September 27, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, DHubb said: Anyone have any thoughts as to whether or not the Library Lofts will need a tower crane? The three most recently constructed 11-story buildings in Cleveland all required a tower crane -- The Edge on Euclid, Church+State, and MetroHealth's Glick Center. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20222 yr Surgery Center prior to demolition (9-30-22) Surgery Center Parking garage coming down (10-4-22)
October 7, 20222 yr I wonder if that second floor walkway will remain to connect the new building with the old? Probably I guess but haven't read one way or the other.
October 13, 20222 yr Not a lot of "new" news on the Clinic's Pathology center, but it's a nice compilation of old news. The article does say the installation and operations of IBM's Quantum System One computer should happen in early 2023. https://www.crainscleveland.com/health-care/cleveland-clinics-pathogen-center-continues-its-growth Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
October 13, 20222 yr I hope the Clinic and IBM are able to maximize that computer. If done properly it could be a real economic multiplier.
October 13, 20222 yr On 10/7/2022 at 11:44 AM, cadmen said: I wonder if that second floor walkway will remain to connect the new building with the old? Probably I guess but haven't read one way or the other. yes, there will also be a bridge to west to the M garage
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