I'm there in the day tomorrow, I can probably have some up by 5 pm if (collectively) you are good.

What is the deal with the rocks in the Clinic reflecting pool?  I thought there was going to be fountains?  Although if it had fountains it really wouldn't be a reflecting pool I suppose.

Upon seeing what looks to be the completed landscape between the split E. 93rd Streets, I have to say I'm disappointed (and surprised) that this vast green landscape with an enticing water feature at its center has ZERO sidewalks.  That's right... no clear means by which a pedestrian can stroll amongst the copious, meticulously placed trees or approach the pool.  Unless they just want people to walk in the grass, but I doubt that was their intent... 

Upon seeing what looks to be the completed landscape between the split E. 93rd Streets, I have to say I'm disappointed (and surprised) that this vast green landscape with an enticing water feature at its center has ZERO sidewalks. That's right... no clear means by which a pedestrian can stroll amongst the copious, meticulously placed trees or approach the pool. Unless they just want people to walk in the grass, but I doubt that was their intent...

 

I saw an arial of this on the news last night and had the exact same thought...

McCleveland, you're killing me. Arial is the name of the print font. An aerial is an overhead view.

 

Then, of course, there is Ariel -- the Little Mermaid.

There are sidewalks.  I just walked on one today.

McCleveland, you're killing me. Arial is the name of the print font. An aerial is an overhead view.

 

Then, of course, there is Ariel -- the Little Mermaid.

sh*t.  innocent mistake... and not nearly as bad as when mayday recently informed me that for all intensive purposes was... is for all intents and purposes. :lol:

And apparently the "aerial" of the Clinic's allee was as atrocious as the font Arial! :laugh:

I forgot about that.  :lol:

 

Having MayDay around isn't nearly as bad as having three editors read everything you write. Ah, the life of a journalist.

OK, a few days late and a few dollars short, here you go.

 

Corner of E 100th and Euclid looking east.

 

One of the new toothbrush lights.

 

East 96th, which has been closed since before I started working in the area.

 

Looking down the mall (I hate that French word allee) from Euclid.

 

Some world class signs :)

 

Old school Clinic

 

The underground tunnel where the walls change color. (Under Euclid)

 

Healthline looking East

 

Panoramic!

\

 

The rooftop garden/banquet space. You CAN see the lake from up there, just barely.

 

Old School Clinic again!

 

Healthline-Mall intersection

 

The mall, with empty reflecting pools.

 

Taussig Cancer Center

 

Healthline looking west

 

Home of the new Cleveland Clinic sign (on Chester)

 

View from Chester

 

I wanna rock!

 

In the roundabout, some seating, trees, and those lights.

 

For some reason I love the pre-rusted look.

 

I like these trashcans better.

 

The white zone is for loading and unloading only.

 

It's hard to see, but there are little blue lights that remind me of stars, its much neater at night.

 

Fountain, or approved smoking zone?

 

Welcome to Gataca

 

Uberdesk

 

Stairs to the basement

 

Elevators

 

I'm sorry, you have...

 

Waiting area

 

some art (can that be abbreviated s'mart?)

 

The nice brick walkway.

 

Back side of the Heart Center

 

More world class signage

 

The circus is coming to town

 

In the Learner Bldg courtyard, my favorite spot to relax. Note the wiggly art that usually sits behind the hotel.

 

Tallest, er, most erect building.

 

There are more pictures, mostly less relevant, at

http://picasaweb.google.com/originaljbw/ClevelandClinic2#

 

 

Upon seeing what looks to be the completed landscape between the split E. 93rd Streets, I have to say I'm disappointed (and surprised) that this vast green landscape with an enticing water feature at its center has ZERO sidewalks.  That's right... no clear means by which a pedestrian can stroll amongst the copious, meticulously placed trees or approach the pool.  Unless they just want people to walk in the grass, but I doubt that was their intent... 

 

There are sidewalks.  I just walked on one today.

 

 

OK there may be sidewalks on each "side", but I see no walkways along the median of the allee.  This is disappointing and makes the whole space unapproachable (typical of CCF planning).  Would have been much nicer and more functional with a walkway between each line of trees and a few benches/seats.

^Agreed. Everytime I have an appointment, I will happily step on the grass. :evil:

 

Does anyone know where I can "find" a pet rock?!

Thanks for posting the pics.

Does anyone know where I can "find" a pet rock?!

 

No, but fortunately if you catch a wild one they aren't that hard to tame.

 

Thanks for the CC update, Originaljbw.  The whole thing is sort of attractive, but so very sterile.  I agree a walkway down the middle of the trees with some benches would make for so much nicer a space.  I also think being able to sit on the water's edge would be a nice feature for people looking to relax or contemplate.

Thanks for all those photos and for the illustration of my sans-sidewalk point.  Maybe once they see the tread marks of all those clinic workers who want to walk along the banks of the allee, they'll add them in!

My apologies if this has been discussed previously but sidewalks aside, is this finished? Water will be added? I don't get it?

My apologies if this has been discussed previously but sidewalks aside, is this finished? Water will be added? I don't get it?

Exactly.  I looks like a pet rock farm!

Healing environments, with amenities

 

The new buildings, characterized by their modernity and open and soothing spaces, provide the latest in medical technology coupled with the most advanced healing environment.

 

A rooftop plaza, an assortment of retail stores and food options, more than 1,000 works of art throughout the buildings and a tree-lined boulevard with six reflecting pools leading to Cleveland Clinic’s new main entrance will magnify the Miller Family Pavilion and Glickman Tower’s impact.

 

http://www.meetthebuildings.com/

 

 

Then why do I feel sick?  :wink:

My apologies if this has been discussed previously but sidewalks aside, is this finished? Water will be added? I don't get it?

 

They were filled a couple weeks ago.....

Cleveland Clinic's new look more than just a pretty face

by Harlan Spector

Sunday September 07, 2008, 1:06 AM

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/medical/2008/09/07CGCLINIC.pdf

 

After 40 months of construction, the Cleveland Clinic is ready to celebrate the opening of two buildings characterized as monuments to 21st-century thinking in health-care delivery.

 

The Sydell and Arnold Miller Family Pavilion will be home to the Clinic's signature cardiovascular program and a new grand entrance at the corner of East 93rd and Euclid Avenue.

 

Tucked behind Miller on the 166-acre campus is the Glickman Tower, the new 12-story headquarters of the Urological and Kidney Institute, which has bragging rights as the Clinic's largest surgery center and one of it fastest growing programs...

 

http://www.cleveland.com/medical/index.ssf/2008/09/a_grand_green_entrance.html

 

That may be the ugliest structure I've ever laid eyes on. Not to mention the fact that it is completely ignorant of its environment and dominates the surroundings.

tulip trees

 

Well I guess that solves our little mystery several pages back.

That may be the ugliest structure I've ever laid eyes on. Not to mention the fact that it is completely ignorant of its environment and dominates the surroundings

 

to each their own... 

 

Personally I think that the building and landscaping has pushed the Cleveland design envelope more than anything we've seen in a long time (ok that's not saying much but still...).  It's different and assertive and just because it's ignorant of an ignorant existing landscape doesn't mean it's bad.  For $3/4 billion, this complex better dominate something!  The Clinic is making very bold and reverred statements with the UAE facilities--there's no reason why the home base has to be "safe".  If the Clinic continues to develop at this pace, this modern approach will perhaps lead to more unique, architecturally significant, and urban friendly buildings.

 

As far as the "boulevard" designation goes, the VAST majority of avenues and boulevards in this city are not really such...

I don't see what's so innovative about a massive glass curtain wall, or a granite wall with only a few transparent elements punched into it.  The Cleveland design envelope seems safely unstretched to me, though this would be a nice architectural addition to Beachwood.  I'm happy about the jobs it brings, however.

I just really hope that the improve the "PUBLIC" space portion of this.

 

In order for this to really become a true, public space, there needs to be things to encourage people to congregate there .. benches, etc. Does anyone know if these types of things will be added? Or will this just be a gigantic, suburban environment?

^ I hope so as well. Say what you will about the building but it serves its purpose. I can't say the same for the public space "rock farm."

I just really hope that the improve the "PUBLIC" space portion of this.

 

In order for this to really become a true, public space, there needs to be things to encourage people to congregate there .. benches, etc. Does anyone know if these types of things will be added? Or will this just be a gigantic, suburban environment?

 

Not sure when you've been home, but have you seen it in person?  I don't think it looks as bad in person as it does in the pictures. 

 

It somewhat reminds me of Century Plaza in LA.

I just really hope that the improve the "PUBLIC" space portion of this.

 

In order for this to really become a true, public space, there needs to be things to encourage people to congregate there .. benches, etc. Does anyone know if these types of things will be added? Or will this just be a gigantic, suburban environment?

 

Not sure when you've been home, but have you seen it in person? I don't think it looks as bad in person as it does in the pictures.

 

It somewhat reminds me of Century Plaza in LA.

 

I don't think it looks bad at all in the pictures, actually. I think this whole project looks really quite stunning.

 

I just hope they make it more appealing as a public space by adding benches and things that let people know they can congregate there or enjoy their lunch there, etc. This would be such a great little park space, rather than just have it be a green front door to the Cleveland Clinic, which is kinda what it looks like now. It's beautiful in and of itself, but I love to see it pushed a little further in this way.

 

I hope that's clear.

^ But CP has seating areas, sidewalks, and benches.

Sorry .. what's CP?

It somewhat reminds me of Century Plaza in LA.

You beat my post...

^ But CP has seating areas, sidewalks, and benches.

 

yeah it's a hotel.  I hope that those things are installed.  My "imagination" says this will be nice just to go out and sit on during the day, but if they want to make this "seamless" with the neighborhood, they will need to up it a bit.

 

I'll reserve judgement.

I chatted with the landscaping contractors a while back and they mentioned that the goal was to make the CCF campus more like a college campus. With them they had designs on redoing the space east (behind the churches) of the new buildings with better walkways, some little hillocks, and more park benches. I am hopeful that all the benches have not been installed yet along the finished portions of the new entrance.

Take heed to the fact that these buildings were designed with patients in mind, not passers-by.  Once you see the views from the patient rooms and the pavillion on the roof, I bet you'll change your tune.

 

I've been up there.  It's awesome.  Trust me.

 

I would take photos, but... I don't know...

 

There are benches in key places.  I doubt they'll put them around the reflecting pools, but there are benches all around the front entrance.  Retail will follow soon.  That should make it more accomodating for a busy public space.

 

All of this, plus the landscaping they're doing for Euclid corridor makes this one of the best looking intersections in town.  It's certainly my favorite, and I challenge any of you to find a better one.

 

Look at this picture from the PD, reposted from above:

 

 

Awesome.

for cryin' out loud.....take picures!  dont tease us!  :whip:

I saw a "keep off the grass" sign this morning along Chester.  I'm assuming that's just temporary until the sod takes root... or at least I hope!  Also, does anyone know if they're actively filling the reflecting pools?  They were full this morning since it rained a sh!t ton overnight, and they looked much prettier :-D

I was about to post that about the presumably temporary "keep off the grass" signs.  I'm sure they'll invest in more permanent, world class keep off the grass signs in the near future.

^Not if Tom L. Johnson has anything to say about it...

^Not if Tom L. Johnson has anything to say about it...

 

What does this mean?

Tom Johnson is widely considered Cleveland's best mayor (actually there are many that rank him among the best mayors in US History)... perhaps he will rise from Lake View Cemetary and not stand for the injustice of such a private public space

 

(Johnson was the guy behind the group plan, and thus a real champion of public spaces... and streetcars)

He also created a law or ordinance in the city which does not allow public to be barred from using green space.  Basically banning "KEEP OFF THE GRASS."  But, since this land is technically the Cleveland Clinic's land, it may not apply.

He also created a law or ordinance in the city which does not allow public to be barred from using green space. Basically banning "KEEP OFF THE GRASS." But, since this land is technically the Cleveland Clinic's land, it may not apply.

 

i wish i had mayday's little "the more you know" graphic.

... perhaps [Tom Johnson] will rise from Lake View Cemetary and not stand for the injustice of such a private public space

 

He can rest in peace.  It's not a private space.  Where are you getting that?  Just because there's no walkway around the grass and reflecting pools?  What about the sidewalks just feet away on either side of the allee?  What about the HUGE entrance with benches and landscaping?  What about the sidewalks down Euclid Avenue that are now really well lit at night (I just drove down Euclid last night... very nice)?

Ipsilon... you are right, it is a beautiful space, but it is very uninviting to pedestrians.  I think they did a fine job with the benches by the main entrance but right now the allee is really only good scenery when you are driving on E.93rd, E.94th, or looking out a window.  The space should be inviting with paths and benches so people can sit and enjoy the reflecting pool.  Not having those things is like posting a big sign next to the euclid sidewalk fronting it that says "keep the fck off".

 

ADD: In short it should be a public space... not the well manicured front lawn of the clinic. That is if it want to reach its full potential.

Ipsilon... you are right, it is a beautiful space, but it is very uninviting to pedestrians. I think they did a fine job with the benches by the main entrance but right now the allee is really only good scenery when you are driving on E.93rd, E.94th, or looking out a window. The space should be inviting with paths and benches so people can sit and enjoy the reflecting pool. Not having those things is like posting a big sign next to the euclid sidewalk fronting it that says "keep the fck off".

 

ADD: In short it should be a public space... not the well manicured front lawn of the clinic. That is if it want to reach its full potential.

 

I wholeheartedly agree. Otherwise, in my opinion, it's no different than a giant water fountain in a suburban office park.

From Litt:

 

Cleveland Clinic's 2 new buildings impose a chilly presence

by Steven Litt / Plain Dealer Architecture Critic

Saturday September 27, 2008, 12:00 AM

 

The Cleveland Clinic has been an architectural conundrum for decades. It's a world-class medical center and a huge point of pride for Cleveland. But it's confusing and often hard to navigate, especially in the dense, clotted core of its sprawling, 166-acre main campus.

 

The Sydell and Arnold Miller Family Pavilion and the adjacent Glickman Tower, two huge buildings that just opened in the center of the Clinic, are the latest attempts to cut through the clutter and impose clarity, serenity and grandeur...

 

http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf/2008/09/cleveland_clinics_2_new_buildi.html

For once I agree with everything Litt descibes in this article.  He could add University Hospitals to this as well.  30 blocks of this mess...

I often times agree with Litt, actually. I don't know why people rag on him so much here.