His "in this America's poorest big city," preamble to nearly every article is extremely annoying and unneccesary.

Well .. yeah. I do agree with that.

 

But I think his criticisms themselves (on design and architecture) are oftentimes insightful and spot on.

^^Agree and it is just not Litt...This seems to be a favorite line of nearly all PD reporters and columnist.  It could be an article about the latest shoe styles or tips on lawn care and they always seem to throw that it in (a little exaggeration but not much).  It is like the editors had a huge meeting with the staff sometime back and ordered them to consistently pound this.  I have often read an article where this was written and thought "what does this have to do with the topic".

Again, I unfortunately agree.

 

However, I think this is more of a PD-wide problem. It's not just Litt, as you said. It's frustrating that the Cleveland press, especially the PD, is so self-loathing.

 

But that's another topic. :)

Crain's has a story today about plans for the Clinic's next major project.  Does anyone have a subscription taht could post this?  Thanks!

Crain's has a story today about plans for the Clinic's next major project. Does anyone have a subscription taht could post this? Thanks!

 

Here's a link.  Gotta love google.  Looking at 200,000 sq feet.

 

http://crainscleveland.com/article/20080929/MOBPRINT/309299971/1086/mobile

 

Crain's has a story today about plans for the Clinic's next major project.  Does anyone have a subscription taht could post this?  Thanks!

 

Here's a link.  Gotta love google.  Looking at 200,000 sq feet.

 

http://crainscleveland.com/article/20080929/MOBPRINT/309299971/1086/mobile

 

 

More importantly, looking at possibly 800 more high paying jobs.

 

^ wow. awesome news and a great idea. make it so toby!

 

i'm glad litt got this part in, very important:

 

"Looking ahead, the new buildings pose two problems for the future. As glassy monoliths, they are destined to stand apart from the city rather than merge with it. When it builds again along Euclid Avenue, the Clinic should think about introducing street-level retail and other nonmedical uses to weave the life of the city into the campus."

 

 

Peter Volas, the Clinic’s real estate director: we need to kidnap him and implant an Urban Ohio chip to ensure improved Cleveland Clinic land use.

Crain's has a story today about plans for the Clinic's next major project. Does anyone have a subscription taht could post this? Thanks!

 

Here's a link. Gotta love google. Looking at 200,000 sq feet.

 

http://crainscleveland.com/article/20080929/MOBPRINT/309299971/1086/mobile

 

 

More importantly, looking at possibly 800 more high paying jobs.

 

 

And really, in the future, it could be even more.  If they grow to become competitive with Mayo and the Utah one, then there would by 2000-3000 jobs.

 

 

 

Crain's has a story today about plans for the Clinic's next major project.  Does anyone have a subscription taht could post this?  Thanks!

 

Here's a link.  Gotta love google.  Looking at 200,000 sq feet.

 

http://crainscleveland.com/article/20080929/MOBPRINT/309299971/1086/mobile

 

 

More importantly, looking at possibly 800 more high paying jobs.

 

 

Not to mentin the spin off jobs created by the higher paying jobs.

Ok, I'll post it. 

 

Clinic plans next major project

100,000-square-foot laboratory for novel medical tests could result in hundreds of well-paying jobs

 

By STAN BULLARD (Crain's)

 

4:30 am, September 29, 2008

 

The Cleveland Clinic is preparing to spend millions at its main campus to ramp up to national status its reference laboratory, which performs novel medical tests that most hospitals normally don’t perform in-house on their patients.

 

Following the Clinic’s recently completed Sydell and Arnold Miller Family Pavilion and Glickman Tower, its next big project will be construction of a 100,000-square-foot “national reference laboratory and patient laboratory infrastructure,” according to Peter Volas, the Clinic’s real estate director.

 

“There are two other national reference laboratories like this across the country — at the Mayo Clinic and another in Salt Lake City. We’re looking to compete with them,” Mr. Volas told an audience Sept. 17 at the Land Development Conference in Independence. The conference is a seminar for real estate professionals.

 

If the lab takes off, it could provide hundreds of well-paying jobs, which would meet a Clinic objective of leveraging its medical expertise for economic development in the region. However, Clinic spokeswoman Heather Phillips said it’s premature to discuss the project.

 

“Things are not very well defined yet,” she said.

 

Mr. Volas said at the conference that Clinic officials have decided to construct the lab at its campus after considering sites for it on the city’s East Side. However, a specific location is not yet set.

 

Delos “Toby” Cosgrove, Cleveland Clinic’s CEO, referred briefly to the project in his “State of the Clinic” address last February, Mr. Volas said. The Clinic declined to provide Crain’s a copy of the annual briefing. If the Clinic proceeds with transforming its existing 200-person reference laboratory into a larger entity, it potentially would produce significant job growth at the globally known health care institution. A person familiar with the situation who asked not to be identified told Crain’s Clinic officials have indicated the plan would add 800 jobs to the laboratory.

 

If the other reference labs Mr. Volas identified are any guide, 800 jobs is a modest estimate for the new venture.

 

The Mayo Medical Laboratories in Rochester, Minn., employ 2,200 people as they perform 3,000 types of tests, many for more than 4,000 other hospitals nationwide. The ARUP Laboratories, part of the University of Utah in Salt Lake, employ 2,300 and perform more than 2,000 types of tests at a 150,000-square-foot building, the ARUP web site states.

 

Both out-of-town labs perform so-called “esoteric tests” that other hospitals do not perform internally in the course of normal patient testing. Moreover, the Mayo and ARUP labs offer consulting services to help hospitals operate their normal lab programs efficiently and to compete with commercial testing labs.

 

While the Clinic’s reference laboratory is small relative to those competitors, it is part of a 700-person Division of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine at the Clinic — an indication of how much weight the Clinic can bring to bear in the effort.

 

The possibility of housing such an undertaking tantalized Cleveland-area property owners and developers who vied for the assignment before the Clinic decided to put it on its main campus.

 

Jim Haviland, executive director of the MidTown Cleveland neighborhood development group, said his group submitted its MidTown Technology Center — a joint venture with the Ferchill Group development firm of Cleveland — to the Clinic for the reference lab.

 

“This is exactly what we’ve been after for MidTown Technology Center,” Mr. Haviland said. “These are technology-oriented jobs.” However, the Clinic preferred a site with more capability to expand than MidTown Technology Center, Mr. Haviland said.

 

[end article]

 

How could they want more room to expand than MTTC has?  It's 144,000 square-feet and could easily expand to double that:  http://www.midtowntechnologycenter.com/plans.asp#  If the answer was that it isn't contiguous, that'd be a different story. 

 

 

^wow the MTC might be one of the best sited plans I've seen in awhile.

Nice!  I like that in the Phase II illustration, the buildings are built up to the road, and the parking is hidden in the middle :-D

Too bad the plan is 4 years old.  I think they had problems with Empowerment Zone requirements.  Sounds kinda backwards, no?

Nice!  I like that in the Phase II illustration, the buildings are built up to the road, and the parking is hidden in the middle :-D

 

Again, the parking IN MY OPINION is overkill.  [que MayDay's broken record pic] but why so much parking when this is steps from the HealthLine?  Yes, I'm overacting as that is an out of date rendering but I hocks me off.

being that this is just a conceptual site plan and that they were using it to entice large office and tech tenants, I'm assuming that the visual of ample space for cheap parking was part of their marketing effort.  Still, the model fits within the Midtown Mixed-Use zoning overlay and it could certainly be built-out with more greenspace or other built spaces on the interior.

^^^Gosh, that really is a shame that they're not considering the MTC.  It would be a great synergy between the CCF campus 35 blocks to the East and that part of Midtown, and could further encourage development on that stretch of Euclid. Not to mention provide some additional bulit-in ridership for the HealthLine...and further validation of its name! 

 

What about that huge warehouse next to the Dunham Tavern at E. 66 and Euclid that RTA de-façaded?  It'd be wonderful to see that occupied again...and possibly with an equal number of high-paying, high-skilled workers as worked in it 80 years ago, under a much different environs.  What a validation to the transitioning of Cleveland's economy that would be!

Checked out the new rooftop pavilion (open to the public :-) ) at the Heart and Vascular Institute - too bad it wasn't a nicer day, guess I'll have to come back and re-shoot at some point:

 

 

 

 

So awesome, thank you for those.  Wish I could just pull out my big eraser and get rid of that McDonalds, BK and KFC...

I love how windy Euclid looks now!

Euclid looks like a logistical nightmare from high up......

Fantastic pix.  I'd be happy to keep the fast food, as long as they put the buildings up to the street and parking in the rear.

Yeah I'm actually digging the lower left portion of that bottom pic.  Lends some commerciality and liveliness to a dreary day.

wow cool. the brt traffic pattern changes are a real eye-opener.

I saw the tell-tale net fencing and back-hoe in front of the beautiful art deco building at Carnegie & E. 105 that the Clinic is demolishing.

This would be my #1 skyline view.  It's the only one where downtown seems integrated with everything else.  It's got 3 smokestacks, 2 domes, and a steeple.  I love the way Terminal Tower commands its own scene.  This view does the best job of making Cleveland look big.

I saw the tell-tale net fencing and back-hoe in front of the beautiful art deco building at Carnegie & E. 105 that the Clinic is demolishing.

 

That building is infested with asbestos and would cost an unseemly amount to fix.

 

Any updates on Maron's Tudor Arms?

 

Also, and I know it's not UC, any pics on the Juve Center?

If the building is infested with asbestos, then they have to pay just as much to have it removed before it can be demolished as they would to rehab it, possibly more, because they can encapsulate some asbestos for a rehab, not for a demo.

^I will find out more info.  It could be that it does not "fit" into the design scheme anymore. 

yeah, its not suburban enough

^Not necessarily that (unless you meant suburban looking).  Cosgrove requires that every new building on the main campus have certain architectural/artistic characterisitcs.  Maybe the fact that this one has asbestos nor blends in with the rest of the new construction is why they're getting rid of it.

Considering the building would seemingly be a natural fit for the State Historic Tax Credit program, it's a real shame.

If the Clinic and adjacent healthcare institutions would at least man up and drop the horsesh!t line of "we care about building green" while demolishing buildings like East 105th/Carnegie (the greenest building is the one that's already built) and lobbying for swaths of wetlands/forest to be demolished for far-flung exurban campuses (and the highway-centric infrastructure) in Avon and Twinsburg, I'd be more hesitant to call them out on their hypocrisy. I mean thank god McDonalds no longer serves downtown but hey, Avon will have about 60 acres of trees vaporized! :roll:

Well I'm not going to get into a pissing match about the Clinic.  But if you expect them to not extend their empire while their competitors do, it ain't gonna happen.  Also, concerning Twinsburg, they went through all the proper hoops, consulted with the EPA, and then after they got a preliminary approval, the EPA came back and said they would possibly harm something. 

 

Considering the building would seemingly be a natural fit for the State Historic Tax Credit program, it's a real shame.

How much would this cost the state?  I would rather have the Clinic, which has little problem covering it's bottom line, foot the bill. 

If the building is infested with asbestos, then they have to pay just as much to have it removed before it can be demolished as they would to rehab it, possibly more, because they can encapsulate some asbestos for a rehab, not for a demo.

 

I agree with you X. I'm calling bullshit. The asbestos DOES have to be removed before demo can take place. So essentially the building would then be gutted and ready for a rehab, but in this case ready for demo.

palijandro7, are you a paid shill for the Clinic or only a well-meaning apologist?

I'm neither.  I just think it is unrealistic to not expect them to compete.  If they do not expand, they fall behind.  I'm not saying I support everything they do, but I'm not going to be so idiotic and foolish to expect them to restrict operations and focus solely on the main campus.  I like how I get labeled a paid shill simply by offering an alternative viewpoint, ala Cleveland.com

 

Mayday, would you call yourself an anti-suburban Nazi, or are you just a well-meaning apologist? 

 

Regarding the asbestos removal, maybe it is BS.  I'm not an architect, an engineer, or a scientist, and I have no idea how asbestos is handled.  I assumed, and maybe ignorantly, that once a building was infested with asbestos, knocking it down and building a new one was cheaper than cleaning the asbestos.  Was I just completely ignorant on the topic?  Thus, whether one cleans up and reuses or brings the wrecking ball, the asbestos gets cleaned the same?

Thus, whether one cleans up and reuses or brings the wrecking ball, the asbestos gets cleaned the same?

 

I'm not an abatement technician or contractor, but I've had some prior experience with asbestos abatement.  So my non expert but somewhat knowledgeable answer is not necessarily, but usually, and any cost difference advantage should go to reusing the building.  That is to say that if the building is being reused, the asbestos can be encapsulated, so that it doesn't get into the air, or it can be completely removed and properly disposed of before renovation.  If the building is being demolished, all asbestos has to be completely removed and properly disposed of.  There is no other option.

Just to clarify, a building can't be "infested" with asbestos.  Asbestos is a fiber, not a mold.  Most homes and buildings in the city have some form of asbestos in them, as it was widely used in construction up until the 70s.  Since the bulk of our homes in the city were built before the 50s, chances are that if someone grew up in Cleveland, they grew up in a home with asbestos.

I'm neither.  I just think it is unrealistic to not expect them to compete.  If they do not expand, they fall behind.  I'm not saying I support everything they do, but I'm not going to be so idiotic and foolish to expect them to restrict operations and focus solely on the main campus.   I like how I get labeled a paid shill simply by offering an alternative viewpoint, ala Cleveland.com

 

Mayday, would you call yourself an anti-suburban Nazi, or are you just a well-meaning apologist? 

 

Regarding the asbestos removal, maybe it is BS.  I'm not an architect, an engineer, or a scientist, and I have no idea how asbestos is handled.  I assumed, and maybe ignorantly, that once a building was infested with asbestos, knocking it down and building a new one was cheaper than cleaning the asbestos.  Was I just completely ignorant on the topic?  Thus, whether one cleans up and reuses or brings the wrecking ball, the asbestos gets cleaned the same?

 

Fair enough, the shill comment was a bit harsh but read my post again - BOTH the Clinic *and* UH (and plenty of other institutions in Cleveland) should be in a position of leadership when it comes to promoting healthy and sustainable development rather than perpetuating and exacerbating auto-centric ex-urban sprawl. The kind of development they're both promoting (outside of their main campuses) is anything but "green".

Anybody have access to the article in this week's Crain's regarding the Clinic's development plans.  The on-line caption indicates the Clinic is planning $2.3 billion in capital expenditures for 2009-2013.

Clinic's growth plan reaches new heights

Capital spending to hit $2.3 billion with expansion projects locally and abroad

By SHANNON MORTLAND

4:30 am, February 16, 2009

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20090216/SUB1/302169971/1007&Profile=1007

 

The Cleveland Clinic is acknowledging that its capital spending plans are more aggressive and geographically diverse than widely thought.

 

The medical giant for a few years now has talked about its $1.2 billion renovation and expansion program in Northeast Ohio. However, the Clinic actually is planning capital expenditures in the period that runs from 2008 to 2013 of $2.3 billion — a capital spending level that is likely to continue every five years, according to Steven Glass, the Clinic's chief financial officer.

 

The $2.3 billion figure includes projects already completed, such as the Arnold and Sydell Miller Family Pavilion and the Glickman Urological and Kidney Institute, which opened last fall. However, Mr. Glass said there are plenty of other projects to be undertaken across the Clinic system.

 

Mr. Glass said some of the larger projects include expanding the Clinic's Florida operations and renovating and backfilling space on its main campus in Cleveland that was vacated by doctors and patients who moved to the new Miller and Glickman buildings, which cost a combined $634 million.

 

Opening those new buildings “creates a domino effect for other locations,” Mr. Glass said.

 

“It allows us to then renovate other areas and, of course, that costs capital dollars.”

 

The Clinic will overhaul the vacated space on its main campus to add more beds to its intensive care units, increase the number of private rooms and build a new bone marrow transplant floor, said Clinic spokeswoman Heather Phillips. After renovations, the space will house 40 different specialties such as internal medicine, which currently is spread out over three locations on the main campus, she said.

 

Mr. Glass said timelines and detailed plans for many projects have not yet been set, and he would not disclose specific costs for projects. The hospital system has raised $1.1 billion in a fundraising campaign since 2006, but Mr. Glass said the $1.25 billion goal for that campaign has not been increased to help fund more construction projects, some of which will be financed through the sale of bonds.

 

Selling debt to finance projects could prove to be a difficult task for hospitals as the recession deepens, said Caroline Steinberg, vice president of trends analysis at the American Hospital Association in Chicago. In a January study by the association, 90% of hospitals responding to a survey found it harder or impossible to issue tax-exempt bonds.

 

Brighter skies in Florida

Mr. Glass admitted that the economy “certainly will challenge every health care organization in meeting their needs.” But he said the Clinic's plans nonetheless are moving ahead, with its two biggest projects currently in the works at Hillcrest Hospital in Mayfield Heights and at its Weston, Fla., hospital.

 

Hillcrest is undergoing a $163 million renovation and expansion that includes a new neonatal intensive care unit, a 72-bed patient tower and an expanded emergency room. The Clinic also is planning to add five beds to the 18-bed intensive care unit at its hospital in Florida to accommodate the increasing volume of patients there.

 

The Florida operations had been a money-losing venture for the Clinic when Dr. Delos “Toby” Cosgrove became CEO in 2004, but he vowed to turn them around. Since the Clinic bought Tenet Healthcare Corp.'s 51% ownership share in the Weston hospital two years ago, “volumes at the Weston facility have been growing by double digits,” Mr. Glass said.

 

The growth, Mr. Glass said, is due to the full integration of the Florida campus into the Clinic's health system.

 

Not as big as it sounds

Besides the physical expansions it's undertaking, the Clinic is planning to upgrade laboratories and laboratory equipment throughout the hospital system to enable those areas to operate more efficiently and effectively, Mr. Glass said.

 

The Clinic expects to spend about $2.5 billion every five years on upgrades, which will include the necessary updating or replacing of aging buildings, Mr. Glass said. Hospital buildings often have a useful life of only about 40 years before needing major overhauls to accommodate new equipment, treatments and procedures, he said.

 

“Two-and-a-half billion dollars might sound like a lot over five years, but it only amounts to about $500 million each year,” which isn't a lot for such a large hospital system, Mr. Glass said.

While on vacation, I saw a blurb in USA Today stating that the Clinic announced a $25 mill. lab that could employ up to 2,000 people.  There was no mention of the location, but I assume it's MC or Mid-Town.  Anyone have any info on this?

It was discussed in the Cle Clinic thread I think.  They haven't reached a location yet, but likely main campus.

While on vacation, I saw a blurb in USA Today stating that the Clinic announced a $25 mill. lab that could employ up to 2,000 people. There was no mention of the location, but I assume it's MC or Mid-Town. Anyone have any info on this?

Twinsburg, according to my sources.

While on vacation, I saw a blurb in USA Today stating that the Clinic announced a $25 mill. lab that could employ up to 2,000 people.  There was no mention of the location, but I assume it's MC or Mid-Town.  Anyone have any info on this?

Twinsburg, according to my sources.

 

^^Then why did Toby Cosgrove, in is slide presentation to Clinic employees last Wednesday, in connection with the new lab, state that it would be located on the main campus?

It's the main campus, with an outside shot of Mid-town.  Promise.

West quad?