A lot to digest...one thing I am happy to see it that the plan is to deal with that parking lot between Crile and E 105 sooner (some time in the next two years) rather than later.  I hope the greening of this space includes (obviously it will) removal of all that hideous chain link fencing.  This lot is a real embarrassment given it's prominent location.

Good point. That are certainly many areas that are more conducive to future development (ie. banal surface lots). I think what needs to be emphasized is that the current master plan is more of "conceptual" plan rather than an articulated, "practical" plan. A lot of areas are not addressed.

 

A few thoughts.

The CC has to balance contrasting elements; approachability/containment, urban/convenient, inviting/sterile, and even, historic/modern. I think that right now, the Clinic's biggest success has been the cohesiveness from their recently built buildings. Hopefully that leads to a more defined "campus" instead of the sprawling hodge-podge we have now. Marking the perimeter/entries and providing definition to the CC would help.

 

In general, I am a fan of building up to the ROW and incorporating perimeter landscape elements as they seem to be doing. These gestures are urban and approachable and convey the right aesthetic. I hope subsequent efforts can add cohesion and continue to add successful green spaces throughout the campus.

 

 

Hi all. I hope it's not poor form to post a link to one of my own stories here, but it seems pertinent to this discussion to mention that the PD ran a separate article about the Euclid Avenue Church of God and the Church of the Transfiguration today: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/01/historic_churches_near_clevela.html

 

Not poor form at all.  Thank you for the link.

You may be happy to know I read the PRINT version of your article!

 

Hi all. I hope it's not poor form to post a link to one of my own stories here, but it seems pertinent to this discussion to mention that the PD ran a separate article about the Euclid Avenue Church of God and the Church of the Transfiguration today: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/01/historic_churches_near_clevela.html

You may be happy to know I read the PRINT version of your article!

 

Egad! (And thanks!)

The one story U.S. Bank building seems to be getting demolished (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH)

 

Praise Jesus if this is true!

For what I wonder

 

The one story U.S. Bank building seems to be getting demolished (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH)

 

Praise Jesus if this is true!

 

I sure hope so! Thanks for sharing

The one story U.S. Bank building seems to be getting demolished (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH)

 

Praise Jesus if this is true!

 

Praise Jesus (so long as it's not for more surface parking)

Waaaay upthread there is the images of the clinic master plan from 2006 or so. The original plan was to redevelop the whole block to be a near mirror image of the block immediately west across the rock reflecting pools. The whole bank crisis set back those plans a few years; it's a matter of securing financing.

 

In the near term it will probably be parking. As someone who parks on the roof of the super garage on 89th and Carnegie, I'm fine with that. If you were the Cleveland Clinic and you were 3-5 years from redeveloping the block... What would you do?

^Yes I would definitely mar Euclid with new surface parking for 3-5 years (which of course will turn into 5-10 years).

Surface parking for 3-5 years or a boarded up US bank branch with a Strongsville setback for 3-5 years? If you think the Clinic does a poor job of addressing Euclid, look at how Metro treats w25th; arguably the major north south corridor on the near west side.

 

Oddly enough, the Cleveland Clinic puts a link to their official master plan on their website, but you have to contact them to get the password...

http://portals.clevelandclinic.org/ocm/BuildingInformation/tabid/2634/Default.

 

From the Plain Dealer article.

The one story U.S. Bank branch (9701 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH) is no more.  It was demolished today.

 

 

 

Can't think of a more worthless "master plan" than the one Norman Foster has produced for the clinic...

Can't think of a more worthless "master plan" than the one Norman Foster has produced for the clinic...

 

I'll bet if you lock 50 architects in the same room together for more than two hours, none will come out alive. ;)

^ Why do you say that? 

Because architects are extremely critical of other architects (w28th is an architect). I was a judge at an architectural school contest where they were designing train stations (the rail component was the only reason why I was a judge) and I was shocked at how brutal these architects were to these students. And I thought brutalism was just a style!

And I thought brutalism was just a style!

 

Hey-o!

HAHA KJP that is both funny and sad. I am a graduate architecture student, and so I understand what you experienced. A lot of that difference has to do with whoever the critic is. Some are much more harsh than others.. kind of like coaches.

 

In regards to the Norman Foster plan, I am extremely underwhelmed. It is also hard to judge, because I imagine there is a lot more to see that we cannot see from the PeeDee article. The "grand allee" has been done before, it will work just fine for what they need. Looking at the lineup the Clinic has gotten lately, and their continued investment in good productive space, I see a great future ahead with their campus.

"Dr. Cosgrove unveiled plans to create an addition to the Clinic's Taussig Cancer Institute on its main campus, which has outgrown its current space off Euclid Avenue. Likewise, the system plans to also construct a new building for its neurological center. "

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120229/FREE/120229802

I always loved passing the Cleveland Clinic building in Weston when I lived down there, it reminded me of home.  I'm glad to hear they're committed to both here and abroad, maybe we can regain 3rd best hospital or better!

It was posted today that the Chester lots will soon be closing for construction. It looks like the area behind the defunked B of A (possibly including that space as well) will soon cease to be a surface lot.

It was posted today that the Chester lots will soon be closing for construction. It looks like the area behind the defunked B of A (possibly including that space as well) will soon cease to be a surface lot.

 

What is  "defunked B of A"?

Defunct Bank of America I think.

So what are they allegedly building?  I know they announced a bunch of projects for the future but I was not aware that anything was that close to groundbreaking.

Upon getting a copy of the memo to read:

On Friday, April 6th, spaces on the south side of the Chester Lot will close for construction. Thus will eventually create more available parking fir those assigned to te lot. The last day you will be able to park in this area is April 5th. Only the north section of the lot will be available beginning friday....

New laboratory is open for business

 

Cleveland Clinic's recently opened $75 million medical testing lab already on path for expansion

Published: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:00 AM

Ellen Kleinerman, The Plain Dealer By Ellen Kleinerman, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Cleveland Clinic opened its new $75 million state-of-the-art medical testing laboratory four months ago and already the building is poised for change.

 

"The lab of today is not going to be the lab of five or 10 years from now," said Dr. Kandice Kottke-Marchant, chair of the Pathology and Laboratory Medicine Institute. "We built this with expansion and flexibility in mind."

 

The new 135,000-square-foot "LL Building" sits on the eastern edge of the Clinic's downtown campus, at the corner of Carnegie Avenue and East 105th Street in Cleveland. It houses the largest-volume hospital lab in Ohio and the 15th largest in the U.S. Systemwide, Clinic labs perform about 20 million tests annually.

 

The LL Building doubles the Clinic's laboratory footprint. It operates 24-hours a day, seven days a week and has the capability to perform 2,400 different types of tests including advance molecular pathology, microbiologic, molecular, genomic, DNA testing and more. In comparison, some of the larger labs nationwide offer around 500 unique tests.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2012/05/cleveland_clinic_opens_new_lab.html

 

I see that Segelin's Florist is moving from 105th & Carnegie to the Tudor Arms Hotel down the street. They're having a moving sale inside the last Art Deco-inspired building, albeit a small one, around that immediate area. Of course, everyone knows the OCPM Bldg and the Physicians and Surgeons Bldg have already been razed. Makes me worried that this remnant of the 4-corner intersection is on its way out.

Pictures from a few weeks ago behind and beyond this intersection... I think this is surface parking lot musical-chairs in order to create the "green spine" that I remember reading about this past winter. Too lazy right now to google. Somebody more knowledgeable out there on CCF, perhaps?

Last picture is of the new huge surface lot on Euclid Ave...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clueless - I actually work for a CM firm and have been at the Clinic for 4.5 years doing work and am still stationed there. You're right about the parking lot. They are continuing the mall that borders Glickman Tower and the Intercontinental Hotel through the Crile building (pyramid looking bldg) to 105th. I heard a rumbling last week that the CC bldg (building with the florist) could be coming down soon but I don't know how true that is. As for the immediate future, I know they are looking to build a Neurological building (couple hundred million dollars) and a cancer bed tower (hundred million or so). To my knowledge, those buildings will be on already vacant land on main campus. The neurological building is going through programming so we may know more in 6-12 months.

 

That's all the insight I have, other than interior renovations...which more than likely don't interest people on here.

 

^Thanks for the info!

Some of it isnt the news I wanted to hear but I understand that hospitals/science-tech places need state-of-the-art buildings.

But all of these lawns, and "green"ery, and setbacks...that's what makes my stomach turn a bit. And tearing down historic things to get there...

Wanna see what the Clinic looks like when they build up to the street? Look at Carnegie between 89th and 100th. ZERO doors opening on to the street and two long blocks with no pedestrian presence and dark tinted windows.

 

I know, I know, I know the Crile Building, the Walker Building, and the whole 105th and Euclid to Carnegie intersections are horrible. That stuff was all built in the 80's and early 90's and does not accurately reflect the attitudes of the Cleveland Clinic today. Most everything built under the Cosgrove administration has been reasonably close to the street with a greater emphasis on ground floor entrances and fewer skywalks.

 

I'm sure the Clinic would love nothing more then to be handed a billion dollars and told to build research/offices/patient rooms out the wazoo on the 105/Carnegie intersection, anyone care to ante up?

Wanna see what the Clinic looks like when they build up to the street? Look at Carnegie between 89th and 100th. ZERO doors opening on to the street and two long blocks with no pedestrian presence and dark tinted windows.

 

Isn't there a way for the city to become more proactive in this department? I mean, it's one thing to criticize parking garages and terrible buildings from the 70's etc. But when recent buildings make the same bad mistakes it's extremely disconcerting.

^There's certainly a way (zoning, design review, historic designation), but there doesn't seem to be the political will.

 

originaljbw, I guess I agree things have gotten better under Cosgrove a bit, but the scorched earth/complete disregard for the surrounding neighborhood seems more or less have to have continued unabated.  This is evident in small decisions (leasing its land to the off-the-shelf suburban drug store on Chester) and big (demolition of the old Laurel building and OCPM buildings).

 

I think it's easy for a lot of people to just say hospitals are inherently ugly so who the eff cares, but if you look at the Clinic's peer institutions, none of them (none that I've been to, anyway), look anything like the Clinic, with its utterly random setbacks and enormous halo of surface parking.  Even Hopkins, arguably the closest analog given its setting, preserves the nice older buildings on its campus, builds relatively densely, has very little surface parking, and uses green space sparingly (and effectively, IMHO). 

 

I also think the Clinic botched the design of its segment of the HealthLine that it specially commissioned when its plan to close Euclid there failed, and that was under Cosgrove's watch too, I believe.

The Clinic will get what the Clinic wants from City Hall....... within reason.   

Could they do better? Of course, but lets look at what has been done under Emperor Toby:

 

1. Miller Pavilion and Glickman Tower -  built pretty much up to street with a pretty good pedestrian presence outside during normal business hours. "smokingPark Benches in front for guests.

 

2. Parking Garages - the newest ones for 'customers' on the main entrance loop are wrapped in a layer of offices to give the illusion of a solid office building. The ginormous employee garage on 89th houses shipping and receiving in it's basement.

 

3. Reference lab -  flush with the garage on Carnegie, roughly 10 feet off of the road with the main entrance at the corner of Carnegie and 105.

 

4. No new skywalks

 

Had you ever been in the Hathaway Brown School building before the Clinic razed it? Sure it was a beautiful building from the street, but it was a nightmare inside. Imagine a 10' by 10' room with a 15 foot ceiling. Repeat that all over the building with windows in odd places and a general old person smell, nonexistent elevators and zero ADA compliance. That's what they tore down.

 

Compared to Metro's treatment of 25th, the Clinic is an urban utopia.

^Actually, I'm pretty sure Miller Pavilion and Glickman designs predate Cosgrove and he made pretty clear (tactfully) in an interview with Litt that he wasn't a fan of their design, even as they were completed on his watch.  I guess I agree that the worst of the campus trajectory was plotted before Cosgrove took the reins, but there still doesn't seem to be much of a vision to deal with the edges of the campus, or brighten the Euclid frontage with amenities for visitors or staff.  The recent master plan seemed entirely concerned with the green spine in the heart of the campus.

 

I agree re metro, but I'm pretty sure the Clinic doesn't view metro as a peer. Much more interesting, IMHO, are comparisons to MGH, Hopkins, Penn, the Longwood area in Boston, etc, which compete with the Clinic for top talent and medical tourists.

Construction begins on the addition to to the Ronald McDonald House... North side of the building

^I am not clear what exactly they are building here.  Are there any renderrings?

 

^I am not clear what exactly they are building here.  Are there any renderrings?

 

http://www.rmhcleveland.org/expansion

 

Behold the green spine (sorry, couldnt resist). Kind of underwhelming...unless there's more coming?

 

 

 

Actually very disappointed with this.. specifically the "landscaped parking".  I thought the whole area was going to be green.  I guess it is better than the broken asphalt and chain linked fence that was there before.

I can't believe they paid Norman Foster-level fees for this.

I can't recall if this design was Norman Foster or Peter Walker. I know PWP was looking at the mall upgrades 4 years ago. From what I've been told, this is all they're doing. They were to extend the mall that currently exists between glickman tower and the Crile building through to E105. With what is shown, they did just that.

Grass is not a development.

The helicopter in the first picture is the only thing good about this. Yes they paid Norman Foster fee's for this. Its not something we blame on Norman Foster, its something we should be concerned about that the Clinic doesn't build it out.

Maybe they'll set up goals or goalposts so employees can get in game of soccer or flag football during their lunch break.  I mean, thats the only real benefit I can see from this.  Turn a parking lot and grass into a couple of smaller parking lots and more grass.  On a more positive note, the clinic is restoring one of the older buildings in the "imposing canyon" on carnegie.  It's been covered in plastic for a while but it's coming off now and is looking good, except for the skywalk still peircing it's side. Sorry, no pic.

The long term plan is to turn those lots into buildings that will border the "Green Spine." In defense of Norman Foster, the renderings I've seen for the spine look nothing like this. They are filled with benches, trees and pathways with glass buildings bordering it. The only thing I can surmise is that the Clinic plans to use the lawn for special events like they use the Crile one for the Farmers Market, etc.

Well Rounded

As hospital campuses grow, how can they simultaneously shrink their environmental footprints?

 

By Bill Millard for AIArchitect

 

But the 1969 fire had good timing: Rachel Carson’s novel Silent Spring had spurred the environmental movement in 1962, and seven years later, the public was ready to take the planet’s degradation seriously. By then, the full array of urban-renewal-era pathologies prevailed in Cleveland: sprawl bred abandonment and unemployment bred crime. Corporations treated the city like a sinking ship, while hospitals and universities weathered the rough decades by staying put and, in many cases, expanding. Now, the Cleveland Clinic and other so-called meds and eds have found that institutional expansion and greening are deeply intertwined with their community’s viability, and they are looking for ways to grow while staying green. Clevelanders point to the 1969 fire as a wake-up call and they hail the clinic, university hospitals, and other institutions linked with the Cleveland Foundation’s Greater University Circle Initiative as revitalization catalysts.

 

http://www.architectmagazine.com/healthcare-projects/well-rounded.aspx

 

 

Time for an update on Ronald McDonald...

Time for an update on Ronald McDonald...

 

I can't open that. My device is telling me it's a corrupt file.

When was the last time the Cleveland Clinic ever did an adaptive reuse of an historic structure? They sure aren't with the Episcopal Church at Euclid and East 86th......

 

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