Which means that the building which use to house Seeglin's Florist and Potter and Mellon will be demolished.  Obviously this building did not have long given what the Clinic has done in that area, but it is discouraging given there are two huge surface lots on the northeast and southeast corners of 105 and Carnegie which are begging to be built upon.

Are we talking something to compete with Siedman Tower?  Or is this something more small-scale?

Which means that the building which use to house Seeglin's Florist and Potter and Mellon will be demolished.  Obviously this building did not have long given what the Clinic has done in that area, but it is discouraging given there are two huge surface lots on the northeast and southeast corners of 105 and Carnegie which are begging to be built upon.

 

*sigh*

 

I always did like this building, though I liked the (very similar) Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine building more.

 

http://goo.gl/maps/vRDEt

Ugh. But as promised by the master plan:

 

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2012/01/cleveland_clinics_new_master_p.html

http://giving.clevelandclinic.org/articles/digging-deeper-education

Cleveland Clinic’s Lerner College of Medicine

 

includes renderings

No required acre of grass? Built up to the sidewalk? This can't be the Cleveland Clinic's development! Seriously I'm glad to see it built to the sidewalk.

 

EDIT: After second glance I will say relatively close to the sidewalk especially given the Clinics building history.

 

Oh c'mon must I always be the one to post renderings! ;)

 

 

Interior atrium:

 

The rendering in the article seems very similar to the initial sketchy conceptual renderings we saw quite some time ago and which I liked.  Of course I would like to see more.

 

If I recall correctly, when the new medical school was first announced it was suggested that they wanted to fast track the development (which I guess is subjective).  I really thought they would be farther along at this point.  At least the guest house is down.

When the Cleveland Clinic means "fast track" it means it. I'll never forget that its $500 million heart center went through the city's approvals process in five days.

^^I too am surprised how faithful these design are to the initial napkin sketches. The current plan--building a new campus in collaboration with the Clinic-- was only announced 13 months ago and came together very quickly.  If they really do break ground this fall as the web site suggests, that seems pretty fast for an academic project this large.

Where exactly will this building be located?

^On the ally (spelling) across the street from the huge office building/parking garage between Euclid and Chester.

^^I too am surprised how faithful these design are to the initial napkin sketches. The current plan--building a new campus in collaboration with the Clinic-- was only announced 13 months ago and came together very quickly.  If they really do break ground this fall as the web site suggests, that seems pretty fast for an academic project this large.

 

Due to a contractual relationship with Case and the fact that you don't want to start a school year in one campus and then move to another campus whenever it is ready, this project has a hard deadline. Fall groundbreaking is a must.

If CWRU is building its med school on the campus on the Clinic, is it still retaining its relationship with UH?

Yeah, I'm confused too.  It appears that Lerner College of Medicine and CWRU School of Medicine are separate schools, but Lerner is still affiliated with CWRU.  Is that correct?

^ They are separate schools but Case hands out degrees to both. They are separate programs and separate tracks with very little overlap.  CWRU's Med School is more traditional and will continue to be affiliated with UH for at least the next 40 years. Lerner is a research based 5 year program and spends much more time in labs and hospitals than a traditional medical school does. Basically, if you want to be a research or academic doc, Lerner is the way to go. CWRU is the route for clinicians with some research thrown in.

^Thanks.  That's helpful to understand.

One of CWRU SOM's main selling points is its affiliations with CCF, UH, VA medical center (3rd largest in the nation) and MetroHealth. It will work very hard to maintain them all. Also just a minor disagreement with mwd above, I wouldn't consider the CWRU program to be traditional really. Lectures are completely optional (pretty rare) and the curriculum is really based on small group self-directed learning, very similar to the CCLCM in that regard. True they have a full year devoted solely to research, whereas CWRU only has a 4 month research block. It's still a research heavy institution. Also worth mentioning the CCLCM is free tuition.

 

 

^Very fitting for a hotel near the CLinic.  Looks just like the Clinic. 

^^Oh my God....NO!

I also note the architects are very hip to Cleveland.  Note in the site plan "former Cleveland Playhouse Square Parking area to remain".

^^Oh my God....NO!

I know, right??  This may be one of the worst I have seen spun out of an architects office on what is supposedly, a transit route.  Definately not inspired by concepts pertaining to TOD.

Not great when the stand out architectural feature is the glass stairwell....please take another swing at this

Sterile environment.

It's only 9 stories.  I wonder what if IHG had to do with this as the own the Holiday in Brand and the existing and very nice InterContinental hotels.

The site plan submitted to the landmark commission showed a building built up to the street with a restaurant and patio on the sidewalk. Then the CC submits this after demolition? I hope the planning commission isn't that stupid to allow this.

When is this going before the planning commission? I couldn't see it on their website.

I'm not expecting an iconic building for a holiday inn, but they need to put this thing on the street like they said they would when they went in front of the landmark commission.

When is this going before the planning commission? I couldn't see it on their website.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/AGENDALIST.html

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/07242014/index.php

 

For anybody interested here was the site plan floating around when the former owners were asking for demolition:

 

http://media.cleveland.com/business_impact/photo/cleveland-cleveland-holiday-inn-concept-plan-2013-3cd2b47fe8769810.jpg

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/06/cleveland_clinic_buys_former_c.html

I fairness, that older site plan was just as bad.  At least the main entry in the new plan faces Euclid.  But it's still awful.

I fairness, that older site plan was just as bad.  At least the main entry in the new plan faces Euclid.  But it's still awful.

 

I was thinking the same thing.  I also question whether the parking is needed for any shared services with the IC hotel?

I can't add much more to what's already been said. I guess I didn't realize urbanism was so difficult for some architects. Geez, go see the Comfort Inn down by CSU to see a contemporary, chain hotel that interacts with the sidewalk. Look, sidewalk frontage! Mixed uses! Windows on the street!....

 

Thanks, Mendo. I didn't think to look under the landmarks commission agendas.

Yes, but what beautiful lawns it will have!

Cleveland Clinic picks Chicago developer for 274-room Holiday Inn project

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Clinic has picked a Chicago developer to build a 274-room Holiday Inn hotel on its campus, at Euclid Avenue and East 86th Street near the old Cleveland Playhouse complex.

 

A team led by developer John T. Murphy will lease the 1.8-acre site from the Clinic, which acquired the last of the land in June. Designs presented at a Cleveland Landmarks Commission meeting Thursday morning show a nine-story, 175,000-square-foot building clad in off-white concrete, metal and glass.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cleveland_clinic_picks_chicago.html#incart_river

Cleveland Clinic picks Chicago developer for 274-room Holiday Inn project

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Clinic has picked a Chicago developer to build a 274-room Holiday Inn hotel on its campus, at Euclid Avenue and East 86th Street near the old Cleveland Playhouse complex.

 

A team led by developer John T. Murphy will lease the 1.8-acre site from the Clinic, which acquired the last of the land in June. Designs presented at a Cleveland Landmarks Commission meeting Thursday morning show a nine-story, 175,000-square-foot building clad in off-white concrete, metal and glass.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cleveland_clinic_picks_chicago.html#incart_river

The fact that the story states members of the Landmark Commission likes the hotel plan is discouraging, this is a very bland project with no good street presence on Euclid. This project makes me like the Courtyard hotel design down the street so much more just because it's build up to the street. 

I think the Courtyard turned out really nice.

I think the Courtyard turned out really nice.

It turned out a lot better than the renderings I saw, but there are components I'm not a fan of such as the grey siding, I do like the amount of glass on the street level, which makes it feel open and inviting but I don't want to get off topic.

I'm wondering now that this project is this far along, does it deserve it's own thread?

Here's Steve brief "review" from Twitter....

 

Steven Litt ‏@steven_litt  8m

A Holiday Inn will replace a Ralph Adams Cram church on Euclid Ave, mjarboe[/member] reports. Design is dull and generic: http://bit.ly/UqMR49

Here's Steve brief "review" from Twitter....

 

Steven Litt ‏@steven_litt  8m

A Holiday Inn will replace a Ralph Adams Cram church on Euclid Ave, mjarboe[/member] reports. Design is dull and generic: http://bit.ly/UqMR49

Exactly what it is, it looks so sterile. Members of the commission don't seem to feel the same.

"On Thursday, members generally seemed to like the hotel plan, though they did ask architect Chris Kaczmar to tinker with the Euclid façade."

Here's Steve brief "review" from Twitter....

 

Steven Litt ‏@steven_litt  8m

A Holiday Inn will replace a Ralph Adams Cram church on Euclid Ave, mjarboe[/member] reports. Design is dull and generic: http://bit.ly/UqMR49

Exactly what it is, it looks so sterile. Members of the commission don't seem to feel the same.

"On Thursday, members generally seemed to like the hotel plan, though they did ask architect Chris Kaczmar to tinker with the Euclid façade."

 

^from Michelle's article...

 

"He would not delve into financing sources or disclose the total cost of the hotel, which is being designed to meet the Clinic's architectural standards"

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cleveland_clinic_picks_chicago.html

 

I'll need some convincing this maintains the Clinic's architectural standards...

Here's Steve brief "review" from Twitter....

 

Steven Litt ‏@steven_litt  8m

A Holiday Inn will replace a Ralph Adams Cram church on Euclid Ave, mjarboe[/member] reports. Design is dull and generic: http://bit.ly/UqMR49

Exactly what it is, it looks so sterile. Members of the commission don't seem to feel the same.

"On Thursday, members generally seemed to like the hotel plan, though they did ask architect Chris Kaczmar to tinker with the Euclid façade."

 

^from Michelle's article...

 

"He would not delve into financing sources or disclose the total cost of the hotel, which is being designed to meet the Clinic's architectural standards"

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/cleveland_clinic_picks_chicago.html

Unfortunate, but it explains why the hotel looks like a hospital.

I literally lol-ed when I read that part of the article.  Those sure are high standards!

Goooot Damb that design is horrible.

Maybe one of the Architects on the board can respond, but I do not understand the clinics walled garden approach to building.

Hey, I've got it. This is all part of the Cleveland Clinic's new advertising slogan --

 

"Our operating rooms are as sterile as our architecture!"

As it was explained to me when Miller and Glickman were under construction, they want the whole campus to feel like you're in the future. Much the same way the glorious old bank lobbies were supposed to inspire fiduciary confidence back in the day before FDIC insurance.

 

 

I guess there are no shops or street level retail "in the future"!