still that one building makes a statement, which is more than UHHS or clinic could say.

still that one building makes a statement, which is more than UHHS or clinic could say.

 

I am not defending the Clinic or UH's configuration, but one tall glass building from Houston says nothing about the urban landscape that the hospital campus creates.  Does anyone know any good examples of hospital campuses?  I have yet to see a city that has an aesthetic medical district. 

yeah, i echo your statement

do you have an example of a hospital campus that has "wow" factor?

 

No, I don't really. I guess it would be difficult for any urban planner or architectural firm to make a statement and not sacrifice the medical integrity of a medical institution. I guess I just wish the Clinic could have expanded on other parts of blocks and not take up so much streetscape on Euclid Avenue for instance. It could have preserved or encouraged creation of mixed-use development between some of the churches along Euclid as approrpriate infill to serve its employees and visitors, instead of completely surrounding some of these churches or some other properties holding out.

Here is a rendering of the new Office/Garage project, as well as a site plan.  If you look at the site plan, you will notice a proposed foot print for a roughly matching building across a new boulevard from the building

still that one building makes a statement, which is more than UHHS or clinic could say.

 

I am not defending the Clinic or UH's configuration, but one tall glass building from Houston says nothing about the urban landscape that the hospital campus creates.  Does anyone know any good examples of hospital campuses?  I have yet to see a city that has an aesthetic medical district. 

 

Boston's main medical district is every bit as large and functional as the Clinic's campus but much better looking and, not coincidentally, well served by public transit.

 

For some images see:

 

http://www.masco.org/directMap.htm

 

http://medapps.med.harvard.edu/kassislab/Fotos_original/locati2.jpg

Meanwhile, over at the Clinic Heart Center (on Aug. 31st):

 

Clinic workers to park 6 miles away, shuttle in

Thursday, September 28, 2006

Sarah Treffinger

(Cleveland) Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Memo to Cleveland Clinic employees: Your parking spaces have been reassigned.

 

Perfect if you've got tickets to a Browns game. Not so great for work.

 

Roughly 1,500 Clinic employees learned this week that soon they will have to park six miles from the hospital and hitch rides on shuttle buses to get to their jobs ...

 

... More at http://www.cleveland.com/medical/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1159432888254700.xml&coll=2

 

This new parking policy seems very odd to me.

this makes no fuckin' sense.

 

the message, from RTA and the Clinic should be.  We're reducing parking, ride RTA to work!

 

This way ridership goes up as the silverline comes online!

 

This is just ass backwards!

They've been shuttling people to East Cleveland for a while. Part of the problem is that they have to eliminate 1000 spaces while they build a parking garage on top of the surface lot. When you eliminate current spaces, it can be tough. I would love to see RTA and CC hook up though.

 

Hey, at least the city is making some money from this.

The Clinic, and more employers for that matter, should just buy RTA passes for their employees, rather than build parking garages.

^I agree. But its difficult when the man making those decisions lives out in Moreland Hills. Can you imagine taking a bus in from Moreland Hills when you're used to driving your Jaguar in everyday?

So what you're saying is that this isn't a reality-based decision?  :-o

I'm pretty sure they aren't asking the doctors to park in the muni-lot

^my wife works at the Clinic. Due to long and crazy hours, I don't see them forcing the doctors to park downtown.

Ironic that downtown has enough parking surplus to accomodate 1,500 new commuters at a whim.  Shouldn't it be the other way around?

This is not new news, but I wanted to give the update from the Planning Commission that shows the approval.

 

From Cleveland vs. The World:

 

http://clevelandplanner.blogspot.com/2006/10/september-15-2006-cleveland-planning.html

 

1a. DC 06-129: East 86th to East 89th Streets and Carnegie Avenue, Cleveland Clinic, Underground Service Center and Parking Garage, Foundation Permit/Footprint Approval

 

The architects of this new 200,000 sq ft garage are Collins Gordon Bostwick (http://www.cgbarch.com/). The new 7-story garage will hold 4,000 cars. There will also be an attached logistic center and 14 - 16 receiving docks to support the Heart Center. The lower area of the garage will house services such as materials distribution which will connect to the rest of the Clinic through a network of tunnels

The QQ lot will be demoed and retained as a green space but may have a possible building on the southern portion adjacent to the P Building (formerly the Clinic Inn) and the PP Garage. Additionally, there will be a 12,000 sq ft structure attached to the Carnegie side of the building which will house the IT Department.

More cranes in the air, but again nothing about a sidewalk level presence...

Any word on when construction would begin on the garage? Am I correct in thinking that this will replace a giant surface lot?

I dunno - it's designed by the same group that gave us the lovingly atrocious Goodman-Levin building at CSU. They did a great job on the NEORSD building, but a lot of their work suffers from the reflective-glass/sidewalk-ignoring approach.

 

Is this the building site in question?

^The new parking garage at CSU (overlooking the innerbelt) is not that bad. Actually, I really like the parking garage just to the north of the Levin College. I wonder if its the same architect.

Wimwar, yes, it will replace a giant surface parking lot (one that holds nearly 1000 cars).  It also appears that the clinic might be experimenting with cladding their existing garage on 89th with their signature pink granite trim.  If you drive by it, you'll see what I mean. 

Mayday, no, the picture you posted is actually that of another garage under construction for the Clinic.  Your picture shows Chester avenue, not Carnegie. 

Great, more "signature" pink granite striping cladding a parking garage....

They've already started work on the E89th St./Carnegie garage. Those Clinicians don't waste much time.

Thats the nature of large urban hospitals.  They build in layers, as new needs/spaces are realized and needed, with the buildings actually touching one another.  If your lucky they might build an atrium between the buildings.

There seem to be promising signs from Cosgrove as to his understanding of how important it is for the Clinic to lead with good design, but when are we going to start to see them manifest?  For example, do you build a $170 million garage that is just a garage?  Or do you incorporate more office space into it and front it with convenience retail space? 

 

I know they're collaborating on the Upper Chester project, but when does the clinic start working on housing in earnest?  Much like the case of University Circle, with the amount of institutional and job growth projected for the next 10 years, if we can't get more people living near where they work, we're going to have to keep building these garages!  Case is working on this with plans to build hundreds of units at the Triangle.  Will the Clinic move this direction as a developer or will they appropriate funds as a development partner towards residential and neighborhood development?  The Cedar Avenue biomedical startup center is promising, but it needs to go beyond that.

 

I hope we get more than just a little conversation going with the Clinic about this.

^Well Litt's PD article specifically states that "Cosgrove doesn't see the Clinic following suit [like John Hopkins] by investing in development around its boundaries", so to answer the question it does not appear the Clinic has any plans at this time to "move this direction as a developer" or to even partner with anyone.

Its not housing that I'm really concerned about. With Upper Chester, Woodhaven and University Circle, there is a good number of housing that will come onto the market.  I'd like to see the existing and future retail be reconfigured into storefront-style structures the line the northern side of Euclid.

 

 

I haven't been able to get a closer look at the construction recently...is Glickman Tower already underway?

Yes, it looks like the foundation is set and the first floor is going in. You can't see it unless you're inside the the Clinic's overhead walkways.

Do you know how tall this tower will be?

 

Will it be a "tower" in the VA Hospital sense (six measely stories), or a tower in the Cleveland Clinic sense (10-15 stories)?  :-P

Per musky's site, it's to be 10 stories:

http://clevelandplanner.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_clevelandplanner_archive.html

Thanks for the plug.

My permalink function is not, um, functioning. (Anybody good at that stuff?)

If you go to the site, it is about two thirds way down - or I can just post it here.

 

DRC 06-022:(approved)

2070 Circle Drive, Cleveland Clinic, Glickman Tower

This will be new construction located behind the new Heart Center. The ten-story internal glass and granite tower will house the Glickman Urology Institute on the op four floors (not including two for mechanical). The rest of the building will be designated flex space.

 

yes, cranes in the air...

 

On my way up Euclid this afternoon from Downtown to U.C., I noticed that the Heart Center's windows have arrived.  To my disgust, they are a nice shade of "clinic" green.  Not transparent at all...I'm pretty disappointed in this.

Re: MayDay -- Oops!

Re: Clinic windows -- Oops!

re: blinker12's mom -- Oops!

Alright kids...

 

 

DISCUSS.

you can't see the windows there yet, but trust me, they're ugly... Levin College ugly.

i don't care what's going on in the picture, great vantage point

(let me guess, parking garage?)

I was reading the PD yesterday, and in the first section they had a huge add for a global cardiovascular center. They said that it was going to be built in the Fairfax neighborhood. The building looked really good in the picture (it was built to the sidewalk), but I was a little puzzled because I have not heard about this project. Can someone enlighten me?

 

P.S. I am not sure if this belongs in this thread, but I thought it was the most relevant

Fairfax has a master plan. It might be on their website. They want to develop Cedar Rd and add housing and office space.  The immediate area needs a serious shot in the arm. I hope that they could add some restaurants, cleaners and some other amenities that Clinic workers and neighborhood residents could take advantage of.

^^I think the Global Cardiovascular Center stems from the $60 million grant that the Clinic received late last week from the state's Third Frontier initiative.  The article was posted in a thread somewhere on UO -- can't remember where though.

^what I found to be really interesting is that the article mentioned that private firms had committed $120 million to the project.

Two new pics of the Clinic Heart Center - the glass isn't my favorite but it's not completely awful. This building is somewhat of an improvement over the usual Clinic designs:

 

 

With it's massiveness and curvey shape, the Heart Center gives a me a feeling of vertigo whenever I see it up close and in person.

It is a monstrous bulding, and the reflective glass isn't going to help that fact.  If only they would learn to approach the street.  Check this pic I found on Cleveland Memory Project.  That's E105 and Euclid in the 1970's.  As decrepid as that looks, I dream of that kind of scale on Euclid Avenue again.

Sorry, it's E101st and Euclid, but E105 is just the next intersection.  Close enough.  Check out that billboard support at the right.  That is kick ass.

What's there now?  Freaking grass.  We trade an incredible urban landscape for a front lawn.  Thanks Caesar Pelli.

Pelli did the Cole Eye Institute?

 

I was in the Crile Building. I like that one both inside and out. Beautiful atrium. It has some awesome views of downtown.