I'm interested to know what those phantom office buildings will be in the rendering, Nearly that entire block has been cleared of structures. Is all of this supposed to kick-start the Fairfax New Economy District around the Opportunity Corridor and the IBM building across E.105th?

6 hours ago, Mendo said:

Why the hell do they need to close yet another street for this projects?

 

Sort of the same question, but why would they site this in the middle of the block face?  Seems weird to decide now it has to be three development parcels instead of two. 

 

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Edited July 17, 20195 yr by StapHanger

Closing off through streets helps to keep the surrounding neighorhood at arm's length.  But I'm sure that has nothing to do with why they did it.?

Let them. One less vacant lot in a city infected with them

I would love to see some Steven Litt architectural designs...   I'm picturing a beige box...

Nice follow-up to my lead-off piece in Seeds-n-Sprouts!

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/07/seeds-sprouts-iii-early-intel-on-real.html?m=1

 

 

Looks great...as a medical rep that has conducted business in the current facility this is much needed 

Based solely on that little rendering and some earlier master plan images, looks like the Cole addition won't be filling any of the dead space immediately east or west of the existing building which is kind of a bummer. That thing has to be the most obnoxiously sited building on the whole CC campus. 

 

Will be interesting to see if the site for the new Neurological Inst includes the church. Have to think the CC has been trying to buy them out for a long time.

here is a link to the Cleveland.com article with a rendering of the other building

 

 

^Thanks. From that article:

 

The L-shaped structure will wrap around the south and west sides of the East Mt. Zion Baptist Church at 9990 Euclid Ave., Connell said.

 

Edited July 24, 20195 yr by StapHanger

I'm glad they are going to save the church.  It's really a beautiful building, and I thought it was a goner when I looked at that rendering.

^ Are they showing two pedestrian bridges over Euclid.  Hmm ... not sure I like the visual effect of  those; but it should reduce the jaywalking problem.

3 minutes ago, Dougal said:

^ Are they showing two pedestrian bridges over Euclid.  Hmm ... not sure I like those; but it should reduce the jaywalking problem.

From the rendering, those two pedestrian bridges would span E.96th St to connect to the Urology and Cardiovascular buildings.

These 2 proposals are...better. Not great from a design perspective, but at least from a form perspective, the clinic is trying to begin some kind of cohesiveness. I give it a C.

1 hour ago, StapHanger said:

Based solely on that little rendering and some earlier master plan images, looks like the Cole addition won't be filling any of the dead space immediately east or west of the existing building which is kind of a bummer. That thing has to be the most obnoxiously sited building on the whole CC campus. 

 

 

You would have learned that from my July 11 blog, too. ?

1 hour ago, Dougal said:

^ Are they showing two pedestrian bridges over Euclid.  Hmm ... not sure I like the visual effect of  those; but it should reduce the jaywalking problem.

 

1 hour ago, 3231 said:

From the rendering, those two pedestrian bridges would span E.96th St to connect to the Urology and Cardiovascular buildings.

The bridge on the right already exists. It connects the Q building thru the Intercontinental Hotel to the C building... also to the 100th street garage and the CA building

1 hour ago, X said:

I'm glad they are going to save the church.  It's really a beautiful building, and I thought it was a goner when I looked at that rendering.

I thought the same thing when I saw it ?

The East Mount Zion Baptist Church built the A. Charles Bowie Education Building a few years ago, so it would be a shame to tear it down, and although the Church itself needs some extensive repairs, That congregation will never give up that church. I only wish the Cleveland Clinic did more to incorporate the church and the surrounding neighborhood into it's master plan.

I believe Neurology is currently in S, one of the oldest buildings on campus, and the U building which is a former psychiatric hospital on East 89th. (https://case.edu/ech/articles/w/woodruff-memorial-institute)

.Clearing out the old spaces to make way for eventual demolition of S and T?

 

 

Edited July 25, 20195 yr by buckeye1

24 minutes ago, buckeye1 said:

I believe Neurology is currently in S, one of the oldest buildings on campus, and the U building which is a former psychiatric hospital on East 89th. (https://case.edu/ech/articles/w/woodruff-memorial-institute)

.Clearing out the old spaces to make way for eventual demolition of S and T?

 

 

Neurological Institution is also over in the P Building where the Center for Behavioral Health is located

They need to demolish G.  When Metro's new hospital is done, the Clinic will definitely have the worst general in-patient rooms in the city.

 

 

I was snooping around and found 2 renderings I haven't seen publicly before:

 

And the  East Mount Zion Baptist Church will be retained, but will apparently lose all it's parking, oh well.

1.  Those two renders don't match up with each other right?  Like the Cole Eye Expansion in the top photo isn't depicted in the plan with the New Neurological Institute on bottom.  I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding those pictures.

2.  That Cole Expansion continues the Clinic's trend of uninspired architecture.  It looks like they just copied and pasted the new Cancer Center building from across the lawn.  It makes me wonder if that is more of a massing than an actual design for the building.  That Cole render also doesn't seem to match what the Clinic released in the last picture from this press release: https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2019/07/24/cleveland-clinic-to-build-new-neurological-institute-building-expand-cole-eye/

I don't know how old the rendering was I found, but it was part of a powerpoint presentation created around the time the article below was published. Both renderings are finished looking, unlike the rendering below for the new Neurological building, and each render is vastly different from the other for a Cole Eye expansion, so I don't know which is favored.

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 10:03 AM, KJP said:

Nice follow-up to my lead-off piece in Seeds-n-Sprouts!

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/07/seeds-sprouts-iii-early-intel-on-real.html?m=1

 

 

These are clearly in the same place, but are obviously not the same design...

On ‎9‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 7:02 AM, WhatUp said:

 

 

And the  East Mount Zion Baptist Church will be retained, but will apparently lose all it's parking, oh well.

At least this rendering matches the overall plan pictured above

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 11:36 AM, WhatUp said:

here is a link to the Cleveland.com article with a rendering of the other building

 

 

The Clinc isn't planning to start construction on either of these until after London opens in a couple years for the Clinic's anniversary, so I'm sure the plans and designs will be altered within the nest year or so.

Nearly the same image a decade apart:

2009

 

2019

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3400&CASE=EAST 2020-003

New design case for Brooks/CCF Biorepository. Both this case and the coinciding building permit from yesterday have it at 9800 Cedar.

Cleveland Clinic biorepository project moving forward after 2 years of discussions

Michelle Jarboe  -  Mon. 2/24/2020

Link: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/02/cleveland-clinic-biorepository-project-moving-forward-after-2-years-of-discussions.html

 

"Two years and three sites after the Cleveland Clinic revealed its plans to add a biorepository to its main campus, developers hope to start foundation work for the $11.3 million project next month. The two-story building will house 400 freezers full of tissue samples used for research."

 

 

I see the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority is providing $10M in taxable bonds in support of the $11.3M project.

Is that correct and why? The CCF isn't going anywhere.

Edited February 24, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder

Because at the end of the day, the CCF (also case western and UH) has their own bus fleet that is easily on par with a downtown trolley line, their own police force, their own backup power grid, their own street plows, their own 'park' maintenance, their own mail facility. They literally are a city within the city. If this gets them to build more faster, good for them.

8 hours ago, originaljbw said:

Because at the end of the day, the CCF (also case western and UH) has their own bus fleet that is easily on par with a downtown trolley line, their own police force, their own backup power grid, their own street plows, their own 'park' maintenance, their own mail facility. They literally are a city within the city. If this gets them to build more faster, good for them.

Fine, build faster but stop building so ugly. 

I don't see it as a bad design, it's just that most of the CCF buildings, as stated above, are very insular, with limited external, neighborhood-facing access points; everything is directed inward as though its turning a blind-eye to and insulating itself from the surrounding community. That's unfortunate because the SDOH impact the entire NEO region's mortality & morbidity. 

Edited February 25, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder

45 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I don't see it as a bad design, it's just that most of the CCF buildings, as stated above, are very insular, with limited external, neighborhood-facing access points; everything is directed inward as though its turning a blind-eye to and insulating itself from the surrounding community. That's unfortunate because the SDOH impact the entire NEO region's M&Ms. 

 

I am surprised that you can still design such prominent blank walls along the street and sidewalk. 

 

Shouldn't this be against zoning? 

It's a repository for biological materials, some of it hazardous. If form follows function, it should be bunker-like

How bunker-like is Cleveland Clinic Laboratories, which also stores clinical and anatomic pathology specimens; some of which are hazardous?

Edited February 25, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder

59 minutes ago, bjk said:

It's a repository for biological materials, some of it hazardous. If form follows function, it should be bunker-like

 

Okay, fair point, but surely it doesn't need to be a bunker all the way up to the sidewalk. Combine that with the suburban looking setback in front, and it's like the worst of both worlds.

Edited February 25, 20205 yr by surfohio

OH NO...!!!!   now I have to read "at the end of the day"

On the bright side, at least the site plan is better than what was proposed couple years ago. This was awful.

 

 

It's not like they're building a Meijer's here or anything.....

My view of this repository is it's the nucleus of something much bigger. 

 

The stories of moving the NIH to Cleveland are absurd; but this repository has the potential of huge growth if it became a PART of the NIH.  Most of the repositories in the US are very local and the coordination of sample- and data-sharing is fragmented and full of logistical disasters; there is a need for a big regional if not national center - why not this one?

 

I'm sure the Clinic would be supportive. It would need Ohio's strong congressional support, of course, but what better have the senators and reps got to do?   

4 minutes ago, Dougal said:

My view of this repository is it's the nucleus of something much bigger. 

 

The stories of moving the NIH to Cleveland are absurd; but this repository has the potential of huge growth if it became a PART of the NIH.  Most of the repositories in the US are very local and the coordination of sample- and data-sharing is fragmented and full of logistical disasters; there is a need for a big regional if not national center - why not this one?

 

I'm sure the Clinic would be supportive. It would need Ohio's strong congressional support, of course, but what better have the senators and reps got to do?   

 

The NIH (or parts thereof) moving here aren't so absurd. There's a growing call to move more federal offices out of DC/Beltway region that don't have to be there. One portion of the NIH is already here:

 

Cleveland Clinic and its six partner institutions - Case Western Reserve University, The Ohio State University, the University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, the University of Michigan, and Northwestern University - have established an NIH Center for Accelerated Innovations (NCAI), headquartered at Cleveland Clinic. With the ultimate goal of benefitting patients, the Center is significantly increasing the generation of new products related to priority targets set by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI) of the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

http://ncai.nhlbi.nih.gov/ncai/center/cleveland;jsessionid=38406940713C15295295DF44D27BC247

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

The NIH (or parts thereof) moving here aren't so absurd. There's a growing call to move more federal offices out of DC/Beltway region that don't have to be there. One portion of the NIH is already here:

 

Cleveland Clinic and its six partner institutions - Case Western Reserve University, The Ohio State University, the University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, the University of Michigan, and Northwestern University - have established an NIH Center for Accelerated Innovations (NCAI), headquartered at Cleveland Clinic.

 

True and good; but I don't think this consortium has the same potential as a regional or national repository, which could take blocks of Opportunity Corridor. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention started with something smaller than this and is now 8,500 jobs in Atlanta. A national repository would have beneficial fallout in radiography, microscopy, data collection and analysis, and international logistics. And there is no competition at present, not that others don't have the same idea. 

 

It will be interesting to see who runs this repository: a visionary or a gnome. I'm guessing the contractor will not be the 'brains' of the operation.

6 hours ago, KJP said:

It's not like they're building a Meijer's here or anything.....

I can never tell if you're teasing us or using sarcasm when you don't include an emoji... but either way, don't stop. 

 

But is Meijer's building a new Cleveland store? ?

57 minutes ago, WhatUp said:

I can never tell if you're teasing us or using sarcasm when you don't include an emoji... but either way, don't stop. 

 

But is Meijer's building a new Cleveland store? ?

 

I hear lots of rumors/ideas but many don't pan out. I'll leave it at that.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

I hear lots of rumors/ideas but many don't pan out. I'll leave it at that.

 

That would certainly be something as they didn't even locate any of their NEO locations so far in Cuyahoga County, let alone the City of Cleveland.

Edited February 26, 20205 yr by jam40jeff

I know a lot of people are critical of the Health Education Campus, but I tend to like it’s massive footprint.  Beautiful night in Cleveland’s other downtown, can’t wait to watch this area’s continued growth!

^I'm sure it's terrific inside and it's perfectly fine drive-by architecture, but I'm still baffled by the landscape plan.  There's a constant flow of arrivals and departures from shuttle buses that pickup/drop off on East 100th, but no service drive, so the shuttle riders have a healthy unsheltered walk to get to the actual door.  And of course there's no diagonal walkways across that huge eastern lawn, so of the small number people arriving by foot, a big portion just cut across the grass.  I still can't believe they hired Norman Foster, spent a crap ton of money, and then finished it off by just rolling out a bunch of sod. 

 

I'm long past haranguing the clinic about its meh urbanism, but I'm still very grumbly about how gratuitously awful they make the exterior pedestrian environment.  Just zero thought goes into it. 

I think it has gotten worse over time. Earlier buildings at least provided a modest attempt to be outwardly friendly, but lately the focus has been almost exclusively inward.

 

Edited March 5, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder

On 1/21/2020 at 8:49 PM, WhatUp said:

Nearly the same image a decade apart:

2009

 

 

2019

 

 

 

I love temporal views like this. If you want another way to see the differences, go to the county GIS viewer and toggle the building footprints. 

 

https://gis.cuyahogacounty.us/html5viewer/?viewer=cegis Layers>Property and Use>Building Footprints

38 minutes ago, WhatUp said:

 

In a communication from May 15 from CEO Tom Mihaljevic in regards to Covid 19 spending: 

 

 "we have delayed some capital and growth projects that require significant funding. This includes the hospital in Mentor, and the Neurological Institute building on main campus, just to name a few."

 

The focus now is undoing the "remodeling" the Clinic did to the Health Education Campus turning it into a multi-hundred bed surge hospital.

 

We were told we need to allow the building to host students in the fall. We are moving everything to the unfinished 3rd floor of the building so it can be returned to a surge hospital if we see more Covid cases. 

 

I don't want to spread a rumor I cannot verify, but, With so many caregivers working from home, I heard they are not going to be able to return to office spaces on the upper floors of the T building (original hospital building at E93rd and Euclid) as the building will be demolished (don't know when or if true). I don't know how credible that is or a timeline, but I know some who lost their offices and their department director relayed that vague info to me.

 

They are currently remodeling the second floor of the S building (between T and M) and since M building houses almost all of the pediatric inpatient departments including OR and NICU / PICU, those would need a new home before the M building could come down.

 

I don't see much possibility in demolishing the T building unless at least the TT and S buildings come down with it... but that's not my department and I don't know anything but the vague rumors I have heard.

 

On a side note... there are "remodeling" signs posted on the doors of the Cleveland Playhouse in March and I can see scaffolding through the windows, but I haven't seen people or movement in the building in over a month, so maybe paused due to Covid.

 

That would be a big story, if true.

They've been talking about demolishing that building for quite a while- I thought it was in their campus master plan to demolish it along with the buildings behind.  It would be sad to lose that part of Cleveland history, but from what I hear, CC is not at all sentimental about it.

^ That building has been around a long time and must seem out of place with so much recent development. It was there when I was at the clinic in the 80s.

21 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

^ That building has been around a long time and must seem out of place with so much recent development. It was there when I was at the clinic in the 80s.

Cleveland Clinic buildings are out of place with Cleveland Clinic buildings. They’ve put together a pretty terrible mishmash.