If by future they mean 1960s, they are spot on!

I guess there are no shops or street level retail "in the future"!

 

In fairness, the Clinic builds for their patients and families first. I know people here complain about stuff like this but the guests of the Clinic like the convenience of having Au Bon Pain right next to the tower elevators especially when its 3am and freezing outside. It's something that's remarked on time and time again. Same goes for all the greenery around the campus. Those setbacks are atrocious but guests like them. They would rather see grass, trees and shrubbery than a building up on the street. Greenery tends to calm patients and put them at ease. That's scientifically proven. I don't necessarily like how the Clinic builds things but they have their reasons.

^The Mayo Clinic builds much more urban, despite these reasons.

^Indeed, they do. And not only that but the Mayo is involved in an ambitious urban development plan to help attract not just patients but employees too.

 

I don't have a good reason as to why the Clinic doesn't get more involved in that way. I assume they believe that's up to the private market. But I can tell you from my personal dealings with the Clinic, why some things are done a certain way. Most of their patients are overwhelmingly happy with their surroundings. That's their key and what matters most to them. Perhaps they should see if their employees and future employees feel the same.

I have problems with the Clinic campus, but unlike many posters, it does not have to do with the fact that they do not build to the street, incorporate greenery and are not interested in a street wall with retail.

 

I am fine with minimal set backs on this portion of Euclid and the greenery.  I don't see it as being a retail magnate for the Cleveland, UC or the Heights so no need to develop it in that manner and less as a campus.  There are too many areas of Euclid and Cleveland in general where this is more appropriate and need work so the "shopping" should go there (although some minimal convenience shopping does make sense).  I would rather see street wall retail developed on Euclid more to the west and in the Uptown area of UC (and in those areas I would have a problem with set backs and excessive greenery).

 

My problem with the Clinic is the sterile architecture which again is manifesting itself with the design of the new Holiday Inn.  Even a "campus" can incorporate something "more" than what we have seen.  That is why I have high hopes for the new School of Medicine.  So far I like renderings and hope it breaks the mold.

 

Also, I agree with Ink and cannot understand why the Clinic is not doing more, like other institutions nationwide, in helping the private sector build up the neighborhoods surrounding their campus.  Indeed it almost seems like they often go in the opposite direction and fight those trying to invest in the area (an example would be them questioning the Upper Chester development).

From what I have heard, the city encouraged the clinic to sprawl out as much as possible because the city wanted the clinic to clean up a lot of blighted land and make Euclid Avenue look nicer for a longer stretch.

^From what I've read, the Clinic itself was pretty eager to wipe out all remains of the blighted old commercial neighborhood, though I'm sure the city was plenty supportive. 

 

^^Htsguy, I agree to some extent-I'm definitely not expecting the Clinic to try to recreate a pre war urban development pattern. But even as a leafy campus, the place is a design wreck.  And given the enormous semi-captive employee and visitor population, I'm actually surprised they haven't been more ambitious developing an attractive convenience commercial/ eating hub.

The current economic state of healthcare is not one that invites excess and over the top design. The Clinic is in the midst of drawing down spending and finding ways to save $300MM+ every year.  This fact should not be overlooked when criticizing the look of this hotel.

^The Clinic isn't developing the hotel. I'm sure the ground lease requires preferential room rates for Clinic guests, which no doubt limits the developer's profitability and construction budget, but I guarantee you there are much nicer looking hotels being developed in the country right now that will be charging similar rates.

 

And how much does it really cost for frills like direct pedestrian access to the Euclid Avenue sidewalk?

 

The north side of Carnegie between 102 and 105 Streets will be a new home for the Clinic's cancer program.

 

Crains:  "A new home for the Cleveland Clinic's cancer program, which will be located across from Tomsich Pathology Laboratories on Carnegie Avenue between 102nd and 105th streets. The Clinic is working with architects to design the building. A timeline for the project wasn't provided."

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140226/FREE/140229851

 

Per this week's Staff Meeting, the new cancer building groundbreaking is planned for October 2014.  It was described as being at the site of the old Segelin's florist.  I can't find any public rendering online, but this is from the presentation.

 

 

Plans are to use the current Taussig building ® to house neurology and other departments currently in the oldest buildings on Main Campus (S/T).  Cosgrove: "The S & T buildings are the oldest facilities on this campus, coming up on 100 years old. I worry about the physical structure of those facilities all the time..."

So instead on me going to the S building I will go to R instead?

Eventually - no timeline was stated for completing the new Cancer Center, only for groundbreaking.

 

Just looked up the R building, ugh it's hideous can I go to J instead? Lol

"Cancer Building..."

^ It's so ugly, I think it's actually giving me cancer just looking at it.

You'd think they'd try for something that is on par with Seidman and be a bit unique.

Just looked up the R building, ugh it's hideous can I go to J instead? Lol

 

Well as Clinic buildings go I thought the Taussig building ® was one of the more interesting, and imho it's way more interesting than the posted rendering of their new Cancer Center.

Maybe you didn't see it off to the side. There is a sweet skybridge!

Out with the old and in with the new!

 

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_clinic_to_unveil_plans_today_for_new_cancer_center_all_cancer_treatment_to_be_under_one_roof.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 

Does this align with the clinic's master campus plan?

Damn, that's a pretty cool art deco building we will be losing.

Is it too much to ask for ground floor retail and built up to the sidewalk, or at least the latter.

Damn, that's a pretty cool art deco building we will be losing.

 

It would have made a terrific conversion to housing for new employees moving in from out state but especially out of country when a bigger adjustment to a new city/country is involved.

^^it will be built to the sidewalk.

So we might be getting a 3,000 space garage out of this - north of Cedar and east of 105th

 

Cleveland Clinic cancer center gets thumbs-up from city design review committee

 

The Clinic is eyeing a site on the north side of Cedar Avenue, east of East 105th, for a 3,000-space parking structure. That land currently is a 500-space surface lot.

 

Preliminary figures in a PowerPoint presentation indicate that the garage might cost $38.7 million and could include retail or office space along East 105th. A new garage would allow the Clinic to shift employees south from existing garages, freeing up more centrally located parking for patients.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_clinic_cancer_center.html#incart_river

^not a big surprise...I guess better than those ugly surface lots but would have hoped for something more.  Hopefully they will follow through with office/retail.

A new garage would allow the Clinic to shift employees south from existing garages, freeing up more centrally located parking for patients.

 

 

And place them closer to the Opportunity Corridor "escape route"!

Expanding the Clinic east is huge. If the garage is built well, with retail like mentioned, you will see a better connection to the Cedar-University Circle rapid station. That whole area east of East 105th and south of Carnegie has so much potential for office development and market rate residential development.

Expanding the Clinic east is huge. If the garage is built well, with retail like mentioned, you will see a better connection to the Cedar-University Circle rapid station. That whole area east of East 105th and south of Carnegie has so much potential for office development and market rate residential development.

 

Or ie: this:

 

^ Would that be market rate?

^ Would that be market rate?

 

No idea. I don't think this plan has advanced far enough to answer that question.

Looks like "Garage with offices and/or retail" meets the master plan for the neighborhood.  Hopefully they do as good a job with the "wrapping" as is shown there.

Kevin Leeson ‏@inthewabe  5h

The @ClevelandClinic must hate Art Deco. First they demolished this http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2009/04/cleveland_clinic_will_soon_dem.html … Now they plan to raze this http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_clinic_to_unveil_plans_today_for_new_cancer_center_all_cancer_treatment_to_be_under_one_roof.html

 

Kevin Leeson ‏@inthewabe  2h

mjarboe[/member] Upper Carnegie Bldg was "world's first commercial building with an all-

welded structural steel framework": http://www.theaustin.com/sites/default/files/files/Detailed_Austin%20History.pdf

 

Kevin Leeson ‏@inthewabe  1h

mjarboe[/member] and ODOT recommended it for further study to determine NRHP eligibility: https://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/OpportunityCorridor/Documents/Pages_1_90_Opportunity_Corridor_CAS.pdf … (section 3.6)

 

Here is what ODOT wrote in it's Opportunity Corridor environmental study:

 

3.6 Cultural Resources

In late 2009, a Phase I History/Architecture Survey was prepared for the study area8. This report is incorporated

by reference. The report is currently being coordinated with the Ohio State Historic Preservation Office (OSHPO).

The Phase I History/Architecture Survey identified the following resources within the Area of Potential Effects

(APE) that were either listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) or determined eligible for the

NRHP

 

The following seven resources within the APE were recommended for further study as part of a Phase II

History/Architecture Survey to determine NRHP eligibility:

 

Ohio Bell/AT&T Building (Resource OC-451) – Art Deco Commercial Building located in the southwest

quadrant of Wilbur Avenue/Stokes Boulevard intersection

Segelin’s Florist Building (Resource OC-453) – Art Deco Commercial Building located in the northwest

quadrant of Carnegie Avenue/E. 105th intersection

Cleveland School of Arts Elementary School (Resource OC-464) – Neo-Classical Revival School building

located at 2501 E. 61st Street

John Hay Campus High School (Resource CUY-00393-05) – Neo-Classical Revival School building located at

2075 Stokes Boulevard

Parkside Dwellings (Resource CUY-00713-05) – Triangular shaped, Vernacular apartment building located in

the southeast quadrant of the Stearns Road/E. 109th Street intersection

Bridge structure SFN 1894609 – Carries the RTA Green/Blue Line over Holton Avenue and Norfolk Southern

Railroad

Bridge structure SFN 1894633 – Carries RTA Green/Blue Line over E. 92nd Street.

 

My question is, was this phase-two study completed?

 

Cleveland Clinic plans $276M cancer care building

Written by Anuja Vaidya (Twitter | Google+)  | August 14, 2014

 

Cleveland Clinic plans to build a new $276 million multidisciplinary cancer building.

 

The 377,000-square-foot facility will house all outpatient cancer care at Cleveland Clinic's main campus. It will include designated space for expanded phase I clinical trials, academics and research as well as a total of 126 exam rooms, 98 private and semi-private chemo infusion rooms and a spiritual support center.

 

"The new Cleveland Clinic cancer building will allow us to centralize the cancer care we provide, creating a seamless, personalized experience for patients from throughout the region, nation and world who turn to Cleveland Clinic in their time of need," said Brian J. Bolwell, MD, chairman, Cleveland Clinic's Taussig Cancer Institute.

 

Groundbreaking is slated for Sept. 29 and construction is expected to be completed by early 2017.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/cleveland-clinic-plans-276m-cancer-care-building.html

The whole NE corner of the (beautiful!) art deco building has been torn down already for the new cancer center. They sure move quick! Even though Im not surprised since they stated putting the construction fencing up before the final city approval came lol

City Planning Commission Sept. 5th. Cancer Building and New Garage

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/09052014/index.php

Master Plan

Weak

Are those ponds?

That building could be the centerfold of next months issue of Evil Corporation Magazine.

Wow, only one new building is proposed to be sited on the sidewalk of Euclid Ave. I realize this is only conceptual, but I consider it revealing as to the Clinic's continuing disdain toward urbanism, enhancing the pedestrian experience and community accessibility to all. They continue to build bunkers set behind moats of lawns or parking and which consider only their internal requirements, not their external interface with the neighborhood. No wonder the area look so institutionally foreboding and there's few pedestrians except at East 93rd which makes the area feel lifeless. Rant over.

 

EDIT: just saw this graphic on the CPC's website which demonstrates how much the Clinic wants to internalize the interaction amongst its buildings and have little interaction with the street. They really don't want people to leave one building, walk out onto a sidewalk, stop at a shop or cafe along the way, and re-enter another clinic building!

 

 

Their new cancer building, sited away from the street:

 

 

Wow, only one new building is proposed to be sited on the sidewalk of Euclid Ave. I realize this is only conceptual, but I consider it revealing as to the Clinic's continuing disdain toward urbanism, enhancing the pedestrian experience and community accessibility to all. They continue to build bunkers set behind moats of lawns or parking and which consider only their internal requirements, not their external interface with the neighborhood. No wonder the area look so institutionally foreboding and there's few pedestrians except at East 93rd which makes the area feel lifeless. Rant over.

 

EDIT: just saw this graphic on the CPC's website which demonstrates how much the Clinic wants to internalize the interaction amongst its buildings and have little interaction with the street. They really don't want people to leave one building, walk out onto a sidewalk, stop at a shop or cafe along the way, and re-enter another clinic building!

 

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Their new cancer building, sited away from the street:

 

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I'm against internalized campuses Downtown and for other types of development, but hospitals are insular by nature, aren't they? Patients must be able to traverse various buildings without exposure to the elements, at least. Underground tunnels could do this too, but either way don't hospitals have to be connected?

 

I'd still like buildings up to the sidewalk, but I dunno, I think the Clinic should leave Euclid to more mixed use, spin-off type developments, like housing for resident interns and doctors, shops for patients families, etc. (which they won't I know but still).

Master Plan

 

So the master plan eliminates all of the original Clinic buildings (S-T) and F-G-H-M-TT?  Look west and south of the Miller/Glickman complex and there are some nice white rectangles...

I've always said, let's not leave it up to a hospital to develop Euclid and the surrounding area into a mixed use neighborhood, lets leave that up to private developers.  We are starting to see that happen with the Chester development in full swing, the completed Uptown development, and the proposed Intesa.  Good things are happening.  The Clinic is a double edged knife.  It is such a humungous hospital employing thousands upon thousands, and is located right on our main thoroughfare (fortunately and unfortunately).  Yes, Euclid should be comprised of mixed use from the Center City to Case, but we have an enormous hospital system right in the middle of it encompassing 20 blocks that we can't ask much from when it comes to architecture.  Good things however are happening on the periphery thanks to the thousands that the Clinic employs. 

I've always said, let's not leave it up to a hospital to develop Euclid and the surrounding area into a mixed use neighborhood, lets leave that up to private developers.  We are starting to see that happen with the Chester development in full swing, the completed Uptown development, and the proposed Intesa.  Good things are happening.  The Clinic is a double edged knife.  It is such a humungous hospital employing thousands upon thousands, and is located right on our main thoroughfare (fortunately and unfortunately).  Yes, Euclid should be comprised of mixed use from the Center City to Case, but we have an enormous hospital system right in the middle of it encompassing 20 blocks that we can't ask much from when it comes to architecture.  Good things however are happening on the periphery thanks to the thousands that the Clinic employs. 

 

Great points. But I'd suggest the Clinic could do much more to foster that type of spin off development. It just seems like property adjacent to large, ever growing institutions (hospitals, universities, etc.) are often in peril of being devoured and as such those properties won't inspire long term commitment.

 

 

Dear Cleveland Clinic: when I read this, I thought of the inverse of you....

 

"The ground level may be only 10% of the building, but...90% of the experience of the #publicrealm." Via #urbanopolis http://t.co/zHYxJjWdZ8

An unusual bond issuance to finance its new cancer center plus other expansions and partnerships....

 

Cleveland Clinic To Issue Rare Century Bond

BY ROBIN RESPAUT, REUTERS

SEP. 10, 2014, 4:45 PM

 

(Reuters) - Cleveland Clinic plans to issue a rare century bond on Thursday, marking a first from the not-for-profit healthcare sector and one of few such debt issues in the U.S. municipal market.

 

Cleveland Clinic, which specializes in cancer and cardiovascular treatment, will join an elite club in capital markets circles. The Ohio-based health system favored the ultra-long $400 million issuance because it offered more flexibility to help fund new partnerships and technology, Cleveland Clinic Chief Financial Officer Steve Glass said on Wednesday.

 

Moody's Investor Service reported that Cleveland Clinic's strong reputation, exceptional ability to fundraise, and high demand from patients make the health system less vulnerable to risks associated with ultra-long debts.

 

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-cleveland-clinic-to-issue-rare-century-bond-2014-9#ixzz3D19eGOeS

Drove by today, the Art Deco building is completely demolished.

Partial closure of E. 102nd Street starts Sept. 11

 

Author: Employee Communications/Tuesday, September 09, 2014

 

The construction of the new Cancer Building is making it necessary to close E. 102nd Street between Carnegie Avenue and the East Crile Mall for approximately two years, starting Thursday, Sept. 11, at 7 a.m.

 

Related construction activities will also require periodic 15 to 30-minute closures of Carnegie Avenue between E. 102nd and E. 105th Streets through Sept. 19.

 

A Construction Update page on the Operations website with maps and alerts about future work will be available in the coming weeks.

 

If you have questions, please call Buildings & Properties at 216.444.2460, from 8 a.m. - 4 p.m.

Seems like no one cared enough about this to post ;)

 

Cleveland Clinic breaks ground on $276 million Cancer Institute, vowing it will be 'no ordinary building'

 

By  Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer 

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on September 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM, updated September 29, 2014 at 10:19 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Dignitaries including U.S. Sen Rob Portman and Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson lined up and used the customary shiny shovels to turn small scoops of earth to break ground symbolically for construction of the Cleveland Clinic's new, $276 million Cancer Institute.

 

"This will be no ordinary building," Clinic CEO Dr. Toby Cosgrove promised 200 listeners under a large white tent on the construction site at Carnegie Avenue and East 105th Street, where steel beams had already been stacked for use.

 

Cosgrove said the 377,000-square-foot building, scheduled for completion in early 2017, "will be the ideal outpatient cancer treatment facility for our time."

 

Commenting on the aesthetics of the building's design – led by the architecture firm of William Rawn Associates of Boston with the Cleveland office of Stantec, a multi-disciplinary design firm -- Cosgrove used the adjective "serene."

 

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2014/09/cleveland_clinic_breaks_ground.html