Posted October 6, 200717 yr What is the Homicide totals in: Cleveland Cincy Columbus Toledo Dayton Youngstown as current as possible?
October 6, 200717 yr I believe Cleveland is just over 100 for the year so far... I wanna say about 102 I believe? The others I'm not really sure of.
October 6, 200717 yr The last number I heard for Cincinnati was 54 year-to-date. This might be slightly off but it should be close.
October 7, 200717 yr wow i am surprized about ytown. considering they have roughly similar populations these days thats still more than double lorain, which i think has ten this year and is no polly pureheart picnic of a town either. very sad.
October 7, 200717 yr according to the cincinnati police web site 50 murders with a populaiton of 332k. one for every 6640 people amazingly district one still has the lowest number of part one crimes in the city. district 3 has the most crimes, but they also have the largest population
October 7, 200717 yr as an aside, one of the headings in the wikipedia article on youngstown is "Peopling of the Valley"
October 7, 200717 yr wow i am surprized about ytown. considering they have roughly similar populations these days thats still more than double lorain, which i think has ten this year and is no polly pureheart picnic of a town either. very sad. It is sad. There's seemingly a lot of new energy building in this city. But, the very real problem of crime could ruin it. Here are figures for the last several years. It looks like we're on our way to another "average" year. 32 murders in 2006 34 murders in 2005 23 murders in 2004 19 murders in 2003 33 murders in 2002 34 murders in 2001 32 murders in 2000
October 8, 200717 yr wow i am surprized about ytown. considering they have roughly similar populations these days thats still more than double lorain, which i think has ten this year and is no polly pureheart picnic of a town either. very sad. It is sad. There's seemingly a lot of new energy building in this city. But, the very real problem of crime could ruin it. Here are figures for the last several years. It looks like we're on our way to another "average" year. 32 murders in 2006 34 murders in 2005 23 murders in 2004 19 murders in 2003 33 murders in 2002 34 murders in 2001 32 murders in 2000 would you happen to know or have a guess if those are random all over town or are most occuring in certain neighborhoods?
October 8, 200717 yr would you happen to know or have a guess if those are random all over town or are most occuring in certain neighborhoods? Here's a map illustrating all homicides from 2000-2004. http://cfweb.cc.ysu.edu/psi/bralich_map/crime/youngstown_homicides_00-04.pdf The west side seems to fare well. The east side also has the appearance of being OK, but I think part of that is because it's the least developed part of the city.
October 8, 200717 yr boo pdf! kidding -- thx. hell of a map, but i guess it needed to be. if i am looking at that correctly, it looks like most occurred on the southside in 2001, but after that it looks pretty random. sheesh!
October 8, 200717 yr Lorain (population 68k) is currently at 8 murders for 2007, which is the highest total in several years (2002 - 2, 2003 - 5, 2004 - 7, 2005 - 6, 2006 - 5). Elyria had 4 in 2006. Lorain 2007 homicides: January - Darren Grove - 41 - drug related, unsolved March - Tammy Creak - 38 - domestic murder/suicide May - Stephanie Bernhardt - 24 - drive-by, unsolved June - David Kowalczyk - 43 - pizza shop robbery, 3 suspects charged - Jayden Davidson - 8 mos - domestic - mother's boyfriend charged July - Gary Young - 26 - road rage, suspect charged Lewis Turner - 34 - drug related, suspect charged September - Nicolas Shaw - 2 yrs. - domestic - mother's boyfriend charged
October 8, 200717 yr boo pdf! kidding -- thx. hell of a map, but i guess it needed to be. if i am looking at that correctly, it looks like most occurred on the southside in 2001, but after that it looks pretty random. sheesh! That map came from this site. http://cfweb.cc.ysu.edu/psi/psi_maps_crime.htm Each year (2000-2004) is broken down into individual maps. There's also a whole lot of other stuff that probably isn't that interesting to non-residents. This isn't an excuse, but most of these are drug/gang related.
October 9, 200717 yr Is Cincinnati on pace to have a lower homicide rate than last year? yes, 14 fewer that is assuming we average the same number of murders each month, which I would suspect is probably not the case. If I had to gues I would assume may through august would be the most and nov-feb would be the fewest.
October 9, 200717 yr Is Cincinnati on pace to have a lower homicide rate than last year? yes, 14 fewer that is assuming we average the same number of murders each month, which I would suspect is probably not the case. If I had to gues I would assume may through august would be the most and nov-feb would be the fewest. LET'S HOPE!
October 10, 200717 yr Lorain (population 68k) is currently at 8 murders for 2007, which is the highest total in several years (2002 - 2, 2003 - 5, 2004 - 7, 2005 - 6, 2006 - 5). Elyria had 4 in 2006. Lorain 2007 homicides: January - Darren Grove - 41 - drug related, unsolved March - Tammy Creak - 38 - domestic murder/suicide May - Stephanie Bernhardt - 24 - drive-by, unsolved June - David Kowalczyk - 43 - pizza shop robbery, 3 suspects charged - Jayden Davidson - 8 mos - domestic - mother's boyfriend charged July - Gary Young - 26 - road rage, suspect charged Lewis Turner - 34 - drug related, suspect charged September - Nicolas Shaw - 2 yrs. - domestic - mother's boyfriend charged no kidding could have sworn i just read ten but good.
October 10, 200717 yr According to today's edition (10-10-2007) of the Toledo Blade in regards to homicide counts so far of this year: Cleveland 102 Columbus 61 Cincinnati 55 Youngstown 25 Dayton 21 Akron 17 Toledo 10
October 10, 200717 yr Here's the whole article: © 2007 The Blade. Privacy and Security Statement. By using this service, you accept the terms of our visitor agreement: Please read it. http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/NEWS03/710100351 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article published October 10, 2007 Toledo homicides hover at lowest level since '64 Slain detective among 10 deaths reported this year By LAREN WEBER BLADE STAFF WRITER Post edited 9-4-09 to comply with terms of use
October 10, 200717 yr It is a little surprising that Detroit's murder problems don't carry over to Toledo. There are plenty of Detroit-oriented folks in Toledo and the economy still basically moves with the Detroit economy. It is great news especially when you consider that the populations of the cities of Cincy and Toledo are not that different (maybe 20,000+) depending on which numbers you believe.
October 10, 200717 yr It is a little surprising that Detroit's murder problems don't carry over to Toledo. There are plenty of Detroit-oriented folks in Toledo and the economy still basically moves with the Detroit economy. It is great news especially when you consider that the populations of the cities of Cincy and Toledo are not that different (maybe 20,000+) depending on which numbers you believe. I'm surprised that you are surprised that Detroit's murder problems doesn't spill over into our region. We are 60 miles south of their metro and it is not quite the same in terms of urban make-up in between Toledo and Detroit. Toledo still remain to be the dominant population of the region with our suburbs having small size of population and least number of suburbs. Crimes in Toledo is nothing like Detroit (never have and never will) and to have Detroit-oriented folks in this city is so far from the truth. If you are referring to the auto industries (union) folks then you win that argument but the union in our region is the minority since they only occupy 13% of the workforce population of our region. There are only three auto plants today, one with the supplier park (1. Jeep, 2. Chrysler, and 3. GM Powertrain), and they are not as dominate as many people think they are. Yes, they are important but the work force elsewhere is more dominant at the regional hospitals (Mercy Partners, Promedica), Fortune 500 and 1000 world and regional headquarters (HCR Manor, O-I, Owens Corning, Dana, Libbey Glass, Toledo Edison, Fifth Third Bank), universities (UT with Medical College, BGSU, Owens State Community College), insurance companies (Hylant, Brooks, Paramount), engineering companies (SSOE, Poggemeyer, Mannik & Smith), solar industries (First Solar, Xunlight Solar), etc, etc. This region has been transforming itself economically in other industries to offshore the reliance of automobile industries and by diversifying the industries. In the long run it will help the Toledo region with retainment of jobs and creations of new jobs as it will keep us competitive. We have a lot of strong neighborhoods, good schools, and strong civic people that take a lot of pride in our city. We care a lot about our town despite of a lot naysayers who tends to tie Toledo with Detroit. With a low murder rate, that speaks volume about a community that gets themselves involved to create a great place to live. Toledo is long overdue for it's appreciation.
October 10, 200717 yr I wasn't dissing Toledo, but there are plenty of Detroiters floating around. When I lived there I knew more than a few people that commuted to Detroit from Toledo especially Ottawa Hills. Though I knew more that commuted from Ann Arbor to Toledo. Toledo's organized crime was once connected up with the organized crime flowing out of Detroit, mostly in the Dearborn area but also from the city itself. For evidence of Toledo's Michigan'ness is the number of Michigan flags around town.
October 10, 200717 yr I wasn't dissing Toledo, but there are plenty of Detroiters floating around. When I lived there I knew more than a few people that commuted to Detroit from Toledo especially Ottawa Hills. Though I knew more that commuted from Ann Arbor to Toledo. Toledo's organized crime was once connected up with the organized crime flowing out of Detroit, mostly in the Dearborn area but also from the city itself. For evidence of Toledo's Michigan'ness is the number of Michigan flags around town. I know you were not dissing per say but Toledo being tied to Detroit is something that we all have to live with no matter how bad Detroit gets. Toledo works very hard to overcome that shadow. However, Toledo may be called Michigan's 2nd largest city because Toledo sits on the border (which I think we should have toll booths all along the line). I think it would make more sense if the Border Battle of Wolverines versus Buckeyes should be played in Toledo every year instead of at A2 or C-bus because Toledo is truely a battleground area in between Ohio and Michigan and it would be fun for all those to travel here for the true football game of the year behind the Super Bowl. You don't see more Buckeyes and Wolverines fan in one area than Toledo's.
October 10, 200717 yr ^ that would be a lot of fun -- the bucks have played in the cleve before so its possible! when i lived there (and in bg) you never heard of detroit crime shennanigans rolling way down to toledo. why should it when the pickings are easier for them closer to home?
October 10, 200717 yr Without this turning into a total Toledo thread, I'd note that I'm glad Toledo has started to turn the corner, the early 00s were really rough, even more so than in Cincy. It seems like the last couple years has seen the region regain its sea-legs.
October 10, 200717 yr help me out here. according to my tattered atlas, City of Toledo is a little over 300,000 (really???), City of Cleveland under 500,000. Per capita that makes Cleveland look really bad. obviously the entire metro areas are quite different, but does anyone know how the city of Toledo matches up (ie demographics such as poverty, unemployment, etc) with Cleveland?
October 10, 200717 yr ^ Looking at a city's pop versus a city's MSA are two totally different things. To get a better idea on how large a city is, you would look at it's MSA. I'm sure Cleveland having a much larger MSA explains more homicides even though the city pop/murders per 1,000 are much greater.
October 11, 200717 yr if you add in the metro area, we fare much better than some areas. At least I am guessing
October 11, 200717 yr I wasn't dissing Toledo, but there are plenty of Detroiters floating around. When I lived there I knew more than a few people that commuted to Detroit from Toledo especially Ottawa Hills. Though I knew more that commuted from Ann Arbor to Toledo. Toledo's organized crime was once connected up with the organized crime flowing out of Detroit, mostly in the Dearborn area but also from the city itself. For evidence of Toledo's Michigan'ness is the number of Michigan flags around town. I know you were not dissing per say but Toledo being tied to Detroit is something that we all have to live with no matter how bad Detroit gets. Toledo works very hard to overcome that shadow. However, Toledo may be called Michigan's 2nd largest city because Toledo sits on the border (which I think we should have toll booths all along the line). I think it would make more sense if the Border Battle of Wolverines versus Buckeyes should be played in Toledo every year instead of at A2 or C-bus because Toledo is truely a battleground area in between Ohio and Michigan and it would be fun for all those to travel here for the true football game of the year behind the Super Bowl. You don't see more Buckeyes and Wolverines fan in one area than Toledo's. The true football game of the year behind the Super Bowl? Come on now, have you ever travelled to any other states? I have lived in 12 states besides Michigan and Ohio (born in Ohio, grew up in Michigan), and I've never met anyone outside of the Midwest who gave a flip about the UM/OSU game.
October 11, 200717 yr Toledo probably just dropped under 300k. Toledo has maintained a relatively stable working and middle class that Cleveland hasn't. It never really had the heart-wrenching riots that tore apart so many urban communities.
October 11, 200717 yr ^Keep in mind that "urban" Toledo is quite small compared to Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati and that the majority of Toledo was actually annexed land (much like Columbus and Akron did). Thus, Toledo could hold on to more people than the landlocked Cincinnati, Dayton, and Cleveland. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
October 11, 200717 yr Thank you everyone for your contribution. I am surprised at Toledo's relatively low homicide total, although I am also pleased with it. It is nice to see Cincy decrease as well as Columbus. What is Cleveland up to now, after the tragedy at the high school.
October 11, 200717 yr There were no murders at Successtech- there were 4 non fatal shootings, 1 other injury, and a suicide (the shooter).
October 15, 200717 yr homicide rates per 100,000 major ohio cities 1990: Cleveland 34 Dayton 26 Columbus 14 Cincinnati 13 Toledo 11 Akron 7 2000: Dayton 19 Cleveland 15 Columbus 9 Cincinnati 6 Toledo 4 Akron 2 2005: Cincinnati 25* Cleveland 24 Dayton 20 Columbus 14 Akron 13 Toledo 9 *If revised census numbers are used, Cincinnati is at 23
October 16, 200717 yr Thanks. Ah the post-riot era. You can't tell me there weren't some folks around town looking to knock down the cops and break open the drug trade.
October 16, 200717 yr Cincinnati is on pace for about 70 homicides this year, (at end of september we had 54 in 2007 and 70 in 2006 63 in 2005) so for this year we will be on pace to have 21 homicides per 100,000 based on revised census (19 per 100k based on social compact)
October 16, 200717 yr using per 100,000 is pure baloney. Some area's don't have homicides but they are included in stats. It makes a person think the whole city is crime ridden. It's as if though they think the chance you would die is .23% per 100,000 people. based on if 23 people got killed per 100,000 people not taking into the account if you do drugs or what ever.
October 20, 200717 yr Is Toledo still at 10 homicides for the year? What are some of the major reasons for the drop from 35 last year?
November 7, 200717 yr I haven't been paying close attention, but I think Toledo's total is currently 11. Youngstown is now up to 29.
November 9, 200717 yr I saw in an arictle today that Cleveland had 333 murders in 1972. Wow, i can't even imagine that.
November 9, 200717 yr cleveland also had 750,000 people as opposed to 444,323 it is still a higher per capita
November 9, 200717 yr cleveland also had 750,000 people as opposed to 444,323 it is still a higher per capita Yeah, but the sorts of residents that we have lost since 1972 are not the types of residents who were committing homicides.
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