Well, damn, now that the HQ is going to be 600 feet, let’s get that sumbitch back on public square where it belongs!

Urban Ohio forumers, pat yourself on the back. You just added damn near 200 feet to the Headquarters.

9 minutes ago, tykaps said:

Nah I'd prefer a 40 story tudor building 😉

Though I'm not sure if it'll even be 4 stories with SHW current plan for a museum on the Jacobs lot.

 

Frankly, if they want to do the museum thingy, one story is fine with me. My biggest fear would be something on the Jacobs lot in the ten story range where it's too short to be remotely in scale with Key-200-TT but tall enough that replacing it becomes expensive. This museum could be a huge swing and miss. I mean....it's paint.

8 minutes ago, Silent Matt said:

Well, damn, now that the HQ is going to be 600 feet, let’s get that sumbitch back on public square where it belongs!

Urban Ohio forumers, pat yourself on the back. You just added damn near 200 feet to the Headquarters.

After it’s built, we can refer to those upper floors as the PendHouse. 😉

Edited January 15, 20214 yr by marty15

11 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

 

Frankly, if they want to do the museum thingy, one story is fine with me. My biggest fear would be something on the Jacobs lot in the ten story range where it's too short to be remotely in scale with Key-200-TT but tall enough that replacing it becomes expensive. This museum could be a huge swing and miss. I mean....it's paint.

Per KJP’s article it is to be a 92,000 sq foot building so we can infer from that how many floors it could be. 25,000 sq foot floor plates would get you a four story building.

 

Also, there is 43,560 sq feet in an acre. And the Jacobs lot is 1.17 acres, so...

Edited January 15, 20214 yr by Silent Matt

Do not want.

1. A (very likely) low-rise glorified paint shop with a huge tower behind is going to look ridiculous and a complete waste of the Jacob's lot.

2. It's going to encourage a campus/ fortress design, whereby people shuttle between the HQ and the 'training/ conference' center away from the city streets. Granted, that could also be the case with the buildings reversed, but at least a front door on PS will drive some foot traffic and street interaction.

3. As @LlamaLawyersays, it's paint. Let's not kid ourselves that the "SHW Experience" is going to drive any tourism. It will be cool for their customers and distributors, but they will probably be in and out via the 'campus' (see 2) 

11 minutes ago, Silent Matt said:

Per KJP’s article it is to be a 92,000 sq foot building so we can infer from that how many floors it could be. 25,000 sq foot floor plates would get you a four story building.

The 92,000 sq. ft. relates to the world of Coca Cola. The size of this building is unknown. 92,000 sq. ft., by the way, is nearly twice the size of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame exhibit hall. No way SHW could even half of that with interesting exhibits. Coca Cola and rock 'n' roll are huge for memorabilia, kitschy items, and other museum crap. It is within the realm of possibility that SHW could make a world class museum . . . but it would be hard.

what a bunch of clowns. nobody, NOBODY, cares about the corporate history of a paint company. SW is not Coca-Cola.

 

this is so ridiculous that I won't believe this is a real plan until i see their plans

5 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said:

Do not want.

1. A (very likely) low-rise glorified paint shop with a huge tower behind is going to look ridiculous and a complete waste of the Jacob's lot.

2. It's going to encourage a campus/ fortress design, whereby people shuttle between the HQ and the 'training/ conference' center away from the city streets. Granted, that could also be the case with the buildings reversed, but at least a front door on PS will drive some foot traffic and street interaction.

3. As @LlamaLawyersays, it's paint. Let's not kid ourselves that the "SHW Experience" is going to drive any tourism. It will be cool for their customers and distributors, but they will probably be in and out via the 'campus' (see 2) 

And after they fired the guy that was actually doing super cool stuff with their paints on Tik Tok, I can’t imagine this will be anything exciting. It’s likely to be an exhibit center on watching paint dry.

2 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

The 92,000 sq. ft. relates to the world of Coca Cola. The size of this building is unknown. 92,000 sq. ft., by the way, is nearly twice the size of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame exhibit hall. No way SHW could even half of that with interesting exhibits. Coca Cola and rock 'n' roll are huge for memorabilia, kitschy items, and other museum crap. It is within the realm of possibility that SHW could make a world class museum . . . but it would be hard.

 

Correct. However Sherwin-Williams has retail stores and while I don't know if they would have a flagship store here apparently some sort of store is being considered.

This is the Coca-Cola museum.  Even with a potential 600-footer behind it across W. 3rd, I just couldn't see something THIS generic on Public Square on the former Jacobs lot.  I love that SH is staying put an investing in the city and the potential for a 600-footer on W. 3rd/Superior; but I would need to see the plans worked out some more before getting too excited about this project again.     

 

Breathtaking and iconic! Reminiscent of NYC style paint store architecture! It’s almost the height of two stories depending on the angle!

Edited January 15, 20214 yr by Silent Matt

3 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

 

I feel like this is a new record for speed of getting reactions.

I am impressed with Whipjacka’s speed with which he whipped up that rendering!

I'd rather see that 5-star hotel on the Jacobs lot instead of a paint museum.

If this "museum" turned out to be something like the Sony Metreon in San Francisco it could be a great addition to the Square, which, however, would no longer be square.  The Metreon is a game arcade, eating place, movie theatre, mid-sized hotel that advertises Sony in addition to everything else it does; plus it packs in the tourists.

 

Over the last ten minutes, my attempted optimism about a paint museum has fully faded based on this one fact:

 

If a paint museum were a big failure (good bet), there is basically zero chance SHW would have the humility or the motivation to do something better with the land. It wouldn't get torn down in a couple years. It would probably be a stupid paint museum for at least thirty years.

 

Design team, if you're listening, in the next twelve months, the Jacobs Lot will probably be worth more than what you paid for it. You can maybe sell it for a profit! If you're not going to put a tower on the lot, then sell it to a company/Russian oligarch/Miami cocaine baron who will.

A broader-than-paint-based Museum of Science and Industry could actually be something that would be very on brand for Cleveland and could be genuinely interesting and draw tourists. Not that SHW would do that, nor should it be on this site.

Anyway, back on topic... 

I hope we’re all wrong, but this feels like one jumbled disaster of a project. Ugly and dysfunctional is the feel. HOPEFULLY we’re just being fed a good dose of disinformation.  

This is a corporate museum. Portraits of former CEOs, a timeline of company events painted on the wall, a decal picture of an old-timey paint delivery truck and a 15 minute documentary you can sit through 'in the theater on the right'. It should be in the loby of the office building

 

3 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

This is a corporate museum. Portraits of former CEOs, a timeline of company events painted on the wall, a decal picture of an old-timey paint delivery truck and a 15 minute documentary you can sit through 'in the theater on the right'. It should be in the loby of the office building

 

Actually how about a mock up an actual manufacturing facility showing the production of products from being to end and employees from research and development working in a lab setting and giving presentations on possible future products...just to name a few possibilities. 

A paint museum would be like watching paint dry. I bet our Federal Reserve Museum would pick up more tourism in one year than a paint museum.

 

Edited January 15, 20214 yr by tastybunns

Heck, the ROCK HALL isn't even open late enough. This paint museum (even typing the word paint museum just made me yawn) is going to close at what, 5pm or earlier? 

 

I'm getting the distinct impression that SW has absolutely no vision here. 

They should do it up like Jurassic Park where you can see behind the scenes of some of the neat industrial/research processes. 'Spared no expense'.

Oof, everything about this project is just getting less and less exciting.  I'm hoping that all these lame ideas are just being put out there to try to suss out who's leaking to KJP.  Also hoping they're not successful, of course!  But seriously KJP, watch your sources!

 

I had a good "paint drying exhibit" joke, but marty15 beat me to it. damn.

I’ll be switching to Baer if this comes to fruition. 

While I’m not for being on public square I do think you could make a mini museum/flag ship store. Where you

 

1) Have access to experimental paints

2) Show rooms featuring the paints of the year ala IKEA

3) The ability to create, name, and buy your own paint color.

4) Rooms that are dedicated to paint and sip parties (these are extremely popular and would need reservations) 

5) Room that has the history of SHW

6) An area that talks about the psychology of paint and emotions. Might even be able to have something interactive where you see a color and guess the emotion that goes with it.

7) Potentially a place with washable fast drying paints where kids could make their own creation (and even adults).

8) A room featuring sweet cars showing off sherwin Williams paints.

 

I don’t know something like this would be worth a trip (at least for me).

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by cle_guy90

14 minutes ago, ogibbigo said:

I’ll be switching to Baer if this comes to fruition. 

To be fair, Behr makes great paint. I wish SHW would’ve bought them instead.

I have two mindsets about the planned use of The Jacob's Lot.

 

1. If SHW is to use this site as a museum it could balance the northern half of Public Square as it  could relate to The Metzenbaum Courthouse heightt and scale.

 

2. If they would flip the proposed HQ Tower to The Jacob's Lot it would maintain the idea of the Public Square location for the 4 tallest skyscrapers in Cleveland. This plan would move the museum closer in line with The Warehouse District height scale. It would also help to invigorate that tourism in that district and could help reinvigorate. the existing restaurants.

 

Either way, I look forward to seeing what SHW will present.  I also wish the architect's were not giving Cleveland a copy of a building from another city. A world headquarters building should be unique to Cleveland even if it is  conservative in design

 

Sometimes, I wish The Ameritrust Tower had been constructed. I also feel the Amazon HQ2 design is going to be very accurate to what is the ultimate deign minus the tallest tower

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by dave2017

46 minutes ago, marty15 said:

To be fair, Behr makes great paint. I wish SHW would’ve bought them instead.

That's terrible paint IMO. I'll only use Benjamin Moore or SW.

 

If SWP is such a conservative company, it makes sense they want a box. I get it, it's boring but as soon as you start adding curves and weird angles the client wants to know if it works as leasable space. If you work at an architecture firm you will need to do tons of interior test fits to show them how they can use it. In turn, the client needs to prove that to prospective tenants that it's a value per sq ft. That is the fear of clients or real estate companies, that the space will be wasteful, unusable and not easy to retrofit. You have to prove they can pack as many workspaces or private offices as possible if needed. And you have to prove that for every zone where the floorplate changes. Even just a curved corner, they want to know how that can be used. And that one floorplate may need to be divided, so now you need to prove to 4 different leasing clients that it is a value.

 

You may need to show them fit outs of how it can be used for offices, or hotel rooms, or even condos. Sears/Willis tower has notoriously hard to rent giant lower floorplates that are sprawling, and dark.

 

Isn't the old circular Ohio Bell/Ameritech/AT&T HQ building (45 Erieview) one of the few non-boxy buildings downtown, and isn't it empty? Those odd floorplates are hard to rent.

 

SW may be the client now, but they may want to sell the building or rent out floors or convert them to other uses in the future. That's probably what they are thinking. Not trying to be a downer, but they are conservative, and clients like that want a box. They could add something of interest to the top though to help.

 

Here are some examples of weird ones I have worked on:

 

6 minutes ago, metrocity said:

That's terrible paint IMO. I'll only use Benjamin Moore or SW.

 

If SWP is such a conservative company, it makes sense they want a box. I get it, it's boring but as soon as you start adding curves and weird angles the client wants to know if it works as leasable space. If you work at an architecture firm you will need to do tons of interior test fits to show them how they can use it. In turn, the client needs to prove that to prospective tenants that it's a value per sq ft. That is the fear of clients or real estate companies, that the space will be wasteful, unusable and not easy to retrofit. You have to prove they can pack as many workspaces or private offices as possible if needed. And you have to prove that for every zone where the floorplate changes. Even just a curved corner, they want to know how that can be used. And that one floorplate may need to be divided, so now you need to prove to 4 different leasing clients that it is a value.

 

You may need to show them fit outs of how it can be used for offices, or hotel rooms, or even condos. Sears/Willis tower has notoriously hard to rent giant lower floorplates that are sprawling, and dark.

 

Isn't the old circular Ohio Bell/Ameritech/AT&T HQ building (45 Erieview) one of the few non-boxy buildings downtown, and isn't it empty? Those odd floorplates are hard to rent.

 

SW may be the client now, but they may want to sell the building or rent out floors or convert them to other uses in the future. That's probably what they are thinking. Not trying to be a downer, but they are conservative, and clients like that want a box. They could add something of interest to the top though to help.

 

Here are some examples of weird ones I have worked on:

 

As far as residential and commercial applications, Behr is a superior product. I hate to say it, as someone who supports local biz whenever I can, but I love their paints. 
 

On all your other points, I agree. 

@KJPSuppose your latest post is correct and the HQ will be going on the eastern side of the super block on top of a large parking deck. What are the possibilities that the western side of the parking deck would be built in a way that it could, in the future, support another tower, whether it be office or residential?

 

Does no one find it highly suspect that in less than a week's time we went from learning that we'll be getting two 20 something story buildings to now one 600 foot building on the superblock and a museum on the Jacobs lot, all because of people complaining on a forum? It's weird. I highly doubt SW is planning their new, multi-hundred million dollar headquarters on the wants of us and not the needs of their operations and employees. 

 

Lastly, I think some of you are overplaying the millennial and talent acquisition argument. Yes, it's been shown through studies that the younger generation prefers to both live and work in urban, vibrant, cosmopolitan settings. I doubt most people care whether they work in a 10, 20 or 60 story building. I am a millennial and while working in the downtown of a major metropolitan city is non=negotiable for me, I could not care less if I was in a low rise or a high rise or on the second floor or the 40th floor. The young people just want to be close to bars, restaurants and transit. 

4 minutes ago, mas1092 said:

Lastly, I think some of you are overplaying the millennial and talent acquisition argument. Yes, it's been shown through studies that the younger generation prefers to both live and work in urban, vibrant, cosmopolitan settings. I doubt most people care whether they work in a 10, 20 or 60 story building. I am a millennial and while working in the downtown of a major metropolitan city is non=negotiable for me, I could not care less if I was in a low rise or a high rise or on the second floor or the 40th floor. The young people just want to be close to bars, restaurants and transit. 

Agree, I work on the 4th floor of a 7 floor old warehouse building turned office building on the Chicago Riverfront in the loop right near many cta and metra lines. Love it. Worked in Suburban office parks, hated it. And I'm GEN-X. McDonalds and Google are in Fulton Market in Mid-rise buildings. McDonalds abandoned a suburban campus building that I believe is being torn down in OakBrook. The setting and access to amenities that aren't limited to the building you are in is the key.

I gotta give props to Forum posters  after a few days of pure passion and obvious love for the city.  I’m one of the slightly crazed that spent a little too much time and energy on  the SE HQ.  
But reading your posts - many  great points - and some so funny     (@Whipjacka’s rendering  an all time classic) is  great therapy. 

Trying to keep up with what we think we know (thanks  @KJP) has been a bit of an emotional roller coaster! 
 

I’m very grateful SW made the decision to stay in Cleveland  - obviously. I just wish that they would use this once in a century opportunity to further honor the city through a building design that’s not based on a nondescript office building from OKC that could’ve been located in any major city. I wish there was something that was a nod to the Big 3 and the heritage of the city. 
 

As for the glass  - I take no issue with that and think Cleveland could use more of it . But without straying  way outside the box, staying within the PC portfolio, and comparable dimensions , there’s room for creativity and something a bit more distinctive. The Milwaukee tower has been cited before and I include  one from Denver, not my favorite - but still more unique - and 600’ high. 
 

Could something like 100 North Tampa (nearly 600 feet) be  conservative enough in design despite being its distinctive “signature” for SW?  Perhaps not. 
 

But like others, I’m hoping the number of curves we’ve been thrown lately  indicates that SW is actually still weighing different options - and that they realize how symbolic and important their location is and tower will be to this city. 

 

 

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by CleveFan

I'm remaining optimistic about the SHW project. It was not so long ago that we genuinely feared the loss of the SHW hq to another city altogether. Thank goodness they not only decided to stay in Cleveland, but they're keeping their hq downtown. I, along with most of us, was hoping for an iconic tower, however what is being proposed will still be of such great benefit. It appears we will be getting a 600 footer which will be a beautiful addition to our skyline. The design they are focusing on is a bit "generic" , but as has been pointed out with a few tweaks in the design it could be a lot better than what we are currently thinking. This project should also spin off several other great additions to our downtown .

 

SWH didn't become a global leader in their industry by making a lot of bad decisions. They are in the position they are because they've made great decisions and gotten a lot right. In my humble opinion I trust they will get this right too and create something of which we can be proud. 

 

@mas1092 Anything is possible with respect to the site plan and design of buildings so I don't automatically discount anything except the completely implausible. The museum idea comes close but we should all be reminded that SHW already has a museum at the entrance to their existing HQ that all visitors must walk through. While I don't see a "World of Paint" museum on the scale of Coca-Cola's "World of Coke" museum in Atlanta, I do see some sort of ground-floor presence that provides a corporate interface with the public. As others have noted, SHW and paint simply lacks the same kind of pop culture materials that Coke has, to say nothing of the public getting a chance to taste the various kinds of Coke products sold worldwide. Fungus-killing primer definitely lacks the same panache.

 

I'll admit -- I fluffed up my previous piece to suggest that the NEOtrans article had anything to do with boosting the height of the main HQ tower. The two 20-something-story towers was a theme SHW conveyed months ago to potential property owners and construction firms to get some free cost data. The origins of my Jan. 5 article began when a longtime source told he had been hearing from SHW nearly a year ago that they wanted two buildings with neither exceeding 25 stories. I went back to one of my best SHW sources and ask him about it. He replied that, yes, it had been proposing two 20-something-story buildings. I was surprised to hear that because he never told me that before, or if he had, I didn't remember it.

 

Then a third source I've relied on responded after seeing my Jan. 5 article and provided newer, more detailed information including a reference to the 27-story BOK Park Plaza building as SHW's model. In my Jan. 14 article, he acknowledged that SHW was debating the height of that building and, considering the layout of the HQ site, meant that the older, two-tower HQ concept probably wasn't doable. That meant that the base HQ building would have to be taller than the 27-story BOK tower. My own calculations show that the BOK tower, with its 25,000 SF floorplates (which is roughly the max for an ideal modern office floorplate) could accommodate SHW's goal for 1 million square feet if that building was 38 stories tall. Now I don't know everything what's going on behind the scenes, so they might design the building in such a way that could result in about 35 stories or possibly less. The source said they would add "some" height or a "few" stories to the BOK tower model to accommodate all of SHW's HQ office needs in that one building -- whatever "some" or a "few" means.

 

One thing that has struck me is that, when I heard that an SHW/Welty-Gilbane subcontractor (Ohio TestBor) was going to be drilling to bedrock, I thought that meant that SHW already knew where it was going to put its biggest/heaviest buildings and just needed to learn how deep to send the caissons. That was reinforced when I learned that the drilling crews weren't taking soil samples on the way down to bedrock. They were measuring the depth to bedrock. So surely SHW had to know what it wanted to build and where. I was wrong.

 

When I saw them drilling on the west side of West 3rd, and after I learned that SHW had considered two 20-something-story buildings, it reinforced my perception that one big building would go on the Jacobs Lot and the other would go across West 3rd from it. And I was wrong.

 

SHW only recently learned where it wanted to build its main HQ and, as it turns out, that's apparently the only HQ office building they're considering right now. I was VERY surprised to learn that SHW is not thinking about putting a big building on the Jacobs Lot. But the source said that could also change. The reason? SHW HQ planning is still very dynamic right now. A lot of things can and will change. I thought SHW was a lot farther along in its planning and design. And boy was I wrong about that, too!

 

I've badgered sources to give me a clearer picture of what is being proposed because it's hard for me to figure out what's going where. But they don't know either or, if they do, they can't say everything or it may reveal their identities. There's also the possibility that some of them are being fed some false info to try and root out sources. But I also throw a few curveballs into my articles from time to time to keep SHW from guessing who the sources are. This is a treacherous road to travel sometimes, filled with lots of hidden dangers and surprises along the way. So bear with me as I try to learn what I can through an already complicated, still-unsettled process.

 

Remember, this is a company that was denying it was even considering a new HQ for nearly a year after I wrote my first article saying that there was an HQ project. This is a company that had their top media relations guy (someone who I knew for 20 years) flat-out lie to me that there was no HQ project. This is a company who then designated a nice young lady in their PR department to report my articles, social media posts, etc. to management. This is a company that fired some poor guy who came out of retirement to help SHW with its HQ project because they thought he was my source (he wasn't my source -- and FYI, I have many sources and I keep gaining new ones) and was rightfully reinstated because my articles kept coming.  This is a company that threatened their contractors and subcontractors with termination for leaks even though none of them were my sources. This is a company whose employees came up to me and thanked me for my articles because they didn't hear/see any official news from the company about whether they were going to stay in Cleveland and, now, what they're considering with regards to the design of their HQ. Frankly, SHW couldn't run an effective PR campaign if their lives depended on it. I feel sorry for the many employees of SHW. They deserve to know what their employer is doing, as do the citizens of this city, county and state -- especially since $100 million of our tax dollars are now invested in this project. I wish SHW didn't play these childish/paranoid PR games and instead involved the community in this important project. Many of my sources chose to be my sources for that very reason. And for that I thank you.

On 11/24/2019 at 9:03 AM, ASPhotoman said:

Better? It's the Block 162 office tower in Denver. 30 stories (452')

This still feels close to what might SHW Headquarters would appear like if on the Jacob's Lot 

Thanks @KJPfor the very thorough and helpful comment above. I think it provides context that should assuage some of our worst fears for this project.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As frustrating as the idea that details are up in the air is for all of us, it is probably a good thing for those who want a large, impressive project. 

 

When you're a company whose DTE ratio is trending like the below, your CFO probably loosens up his or her tie a little bit. So as time goes on, there is every reason to expect an HQ project to get bigger and grander, not smaller.

 

 

If they want a glass box, that's fine. But it would be nice if it was tapered a bit at the top.  Of couse that might require a few additional floors. And perhaps a spire on top? Let's get it up to 700'!

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by skiwest

4 hours ago, skiwest said:

If they want a glass box, that's fine. But it would be nice if it was tapered a bit at the top.  Of couse that might require a few additional floors. 

Absolutely. I think it’s important that it fits in with the majestic big 3.

 

I’m breathing a sigh of relief as it sounds like the design and where the HQ will be located is still very fluid and should be at least 600 feet.

 

I’m genuinely concerned for KJP’s sources now. This confirms that the big wigs and fat cats are reading all his articles, with paranoia. I hope this last batch of information/disinformation wasn’t put out to find his sources.

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by Silent Matt

I dont know anything about development, but Is this sherwin William's wont pay for a uniquely designed building so they are paying less for a replica and the bok center wouldn't fit on the Jacob's lot so they moved it to w3rd?

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by Whipjacka

59 minutes ago, Silent Matt said:

I’m genuinely concerned for KJP’s sources now. This confirms that the big wigs and fat cats are reading all this, with paranoia.

It’s an office building in Ohio, not some secret military base in the middle of the pacific. Why is it so much anxiety surrounding this project? To be honest I don’t believe that company executives (or the actual people who are making these HQ decisions) are on this website or any other planting decoys and misinformation like the CIA. Sherwin is going to build what they want to build period. I would assume because of the location they may put a little razzle dazzle on the building but don’t be surprised if it ends up being a standard glass box. I remember when General Electric announced its global operations center for Cincinnati’s riverfront and everyone assumed it would be some architectural marvel and it turned out to be a plain old glass box. Come to find out they never wanted anything special just plain old modern space with some newer amenities like a gym and lounge pods and such. GE also got incentives from the city and state but it doesn’t matter they are gonna order up whatever they see fit in whatever budget they put forth. Sherwin is a paint company, I never expected some super tall or glitzy HQ everything I’m reading is spot on what I expected when this project was first announced. Great American Tower, Cincinnati’s newest tall building was done fine in my opinion, nothing stunning but just enough in style and height *and something similar would work great at the Cleveland site

 

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by 646empire

First time poster who is not a pro, but just a lover of great architecture...

 

And reiterating what others have eloquently expressed here, this site just cries out for a building that is not a copy of the BOK glass box regardless of whatever features they add to the top floors.

 

I recall the initial disappointment in a discussion with the sculptor Viktor Schrenkengost when the Sohio/BP tower was first revealed. The design turns out it has aged well. Not sure if it is by our long time familiarity or, in fact, was solidly designed.  Anyway, pairing it across the square with a glass box feels discombobulated.

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by DO_Summers

To be clear, I think it's fine that they build whatever office suits their business needs. Its disappointing that it isnt on the square, but that's their decision.

 

There is a land use aspect tho. The city and state should not be providing tax cuts and public subsidies to a project that has a 2 floor, single-use, vanity project on public square. Their bullsh*t company heritage museum can be the ground-floor tenet of their office building if they want it. 

20 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

I dont know anything about development, but Is this sherwin William's wont pay for a uniquely designed building so they are paying less for a replica and the bok center wouldn't fit on the Jacob's lot so they moved it to w3rd?

I would bet that’s why they originally wanted two 25 story towers as these probably wouldn’t require drilling and pouring concrete caissons down to bedrock to support the structure. Thus, saving a lot of $$$.

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by Silent Matt

8 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

To be clear, I think it's fine that they build whatever office suits their business needs. Its disappointing that it isnt on the square, but that's their decision.

 

There is a land use aspect tho. The city and state should not be providing tax cuts and public subsidies to a project that has a 2 floor, single-use, vanity project on public square. Their bullsh*t company heritage museum can be the ground-floor tenet of their office building if they want it. 

I agree the idea that the tower isn’t going to be on the square is extremely odd. If they want a museum of some sort they should just incorporate it into the lobby/ground floor of the tower but put the tower front and center on the square.

26 minutes ago, 646empire said:

 

That’s a handsome building. Except for that monstrosity on top of it.

1 minute ago, Silent Matt said:

That’s a handsome building. Except for that monstrosity on top of it.

lol i kinda agree I’m not a fan of the “tiara”. It does look better at night lit up.

That IS kinda cool. Like a glowing Himalayan Salt Rock on top!

 

And I agree, something like this, sans the tiara, would fit right in public square.

 

Y’all got some good lookin’ buildings down there.

Edited January 16, 20214 yr by Silent Matt

6 minutes ago, Silent Matt said:

Like a glowing Himalayan Salt Rock on top!

Wow! Your right I’ve never seen it that way lol