May 24, 20214 yr Ken, have you heard that, in fact, the final design has been settled upon? Edited May 24, 20214 yr by Silent Matt
May 24, 20214 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Silent Matt said: Ken, have you heard that, in fact, the final design has been settled upon? They were pretty close the last I'd heard, and that was weeks ago. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 24, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, X said: We haven't heard anything like that even in rumors, but it would make a lot of sense. A high end hotel overlooking Public Square with balconies and outdoor terrace areas would be super schweet!! But so far, no indication that S-W cares about what I think would be schweet. How dare they! actually we have heard they want a five star hotel partner and where it goes is the real wildcard here. will it be a separate building or will it be a more creative and presumably taller mixed use tower? i could see sw being mum on this for now as it could really change the look of what we seem to know so far.
May 24, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, mrnyc said: actually we have heard they want a five star hotel partner and where it goes is the real wildcard here. will it be a separate building or will it be a more creative and presumably taller mixed use tower? i could see sw being mum on this for now as it could really change the look of what we seem to know so far. Lots of 5 star hotels are relatively low-rise. I could see a nice 6-10 story Fairmont on the Jacobs lot. 🙂 Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 24, 20214 yr Hopefully by the NBA All Star game in February we'll have some cranes in the Skyline in Downtown Cleveland
May 24, 20214 yr 17 hours ago, Jenny said: Right. While Sherwin's a big company, between what they're building now, and their Brecksville campus, they'll have more than enough space. But I think that ONE of the reasons that SHW chose Brecksville for the R&D Center is to be able to better bargain with both cities. And IF they get too much flashback from either in the future, then they can simply steer future development to the other city. Like having back office operations in Brecksville to save money. But also having options for even more prime office space downtown.
May 24, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Dougal said: Lots of 5 star hotels are relatively low-rise. I could see a nice 6-10 story Fairmont on the Jacobs lot. 🙂 absolutely. and that would be fine. but can you imagine say five stories of fancy hotel rooms and five more of long term stay hotel apts plopped into a mixed use office tower? we can dream can't we? ha. but seriously, this five star hotel wildcard thing could change the sw campus game plan, at least looks-wise. i mean we are all wondering if there is some gaslighting and secrecy going on here, so this seems like a big unknown. maybe we should be trolling around five star hotel capital plans for news leaks instead of sw staffers? does anyone know people who work in the upscale hotel business? hmm, i got someone at marriott, i can ask them to poke around.
May 24, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, mrnyc said: absolutely. and that would be fine. but can you imagine say five stories of fancy hotel rooms and five more of long term stay hotel apts plopped into a mixed use office tower? we can dream can't we? ha. but seriously, this five star hotel wildcard thing could change the sw campus game plan, at least looks-wise. i mean we are all wondering if there is some gaslighting and secrecy going on here, so this seems like a big unknown. maybe we should be trolling around five star hotel capital plans for news leaks instead of sw staffers? does anyone know people who work in the upscale hotel business? hmm, i got someone at marriott, i can ask them to poke around. I’m happy to see others with optimism for this idea. Just makes a lot of sense. And imagine a beautiful 5-star hotel on PS with a (hopefully) massive, skyline-altering HQ tower looming right behind it!
May 24, 20214 yr ^ oh yeah all on board for thst too, i had even mentioned that idea a ways back when the training center was first announced. i think others did as well. it just makes sense. a high end hotel would add around 5-10 floors to the training facility and really restore the west side of public square. if the training center was standalone, as proposed, we think anyway, with just a ground floor of a shop/museum/restaurant and then two floors of conference rooms for training, it would be way too lowrise looking for public square.
June 1, 20214 yr Steve Litt's article here asking for SW to release downtown designs was back in March, almost 3 months ago. https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/03/sherwin-williams-should-release-downtown-hq-designs-as-early-as-it-can-for-full-public-input.html Still nothing, right? Getting to be a little hard pressed to get full site plan approval to begin ground breaking by this fall, certainly not likely to see crane on site by winter. Also what else are people hearing on the possibility of the office tower being multi-tenant? I just heard this the other day. If so, that will be the final nail in the coffin for Stark's Nucleus....
June 1, 20214 yr 40 minutes ago, gottaplan said: Steve Litt's article here asking for SW to release downtown designs was back in March, almost 3 months ago. https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2021/03/sherwin-williams-should-release-downtown-hq-designs-as-early-as-it-can-for-full-public-input.html Still nothing, right? Getting to be a little hard pressed to get full site plan approval to begin ground breaking by this fall, certainly not likely to see crane on site by winter. Also what else are people hearing on the possibility of the office tower being multi-tenant? I just heard this the other day. If so, that will be the final nail in the coffin for Stark's Nucleus.... That would provide an explanation as to why there has been no submission to the city yet for review. Especially if they want to break ground this year. That and exorbitant construction material pricing. Maybe they are still drawing thos thing and figuring out how to make it work? With nothing confirmed anything is possible.
June 3, 20214 yr So this little nugget was sent to me. Looks they are getting close to having an interior design/layout if they spent the time and money to set up a mock plan for employees to walk through.
June 3, 20214 yr I'm not an expert on the process but it seems to me the exterior would be designed first then once you know the basic shape of the building the interior would be fleshed out. If that's the case then SHW already has the finished exterior. Hopefully we'll ALL be getting a look soon.
June 3, 20214 yr Author 3 minutes ago, cadmen said: I'm not an expert on the process but it seems to me the exterior would be designed first then once you know the basic shape of the building the interior would be fleshed out. If that's the case then SHW already has the finished exterior. Hopefully we'll ALL be getting a look soon. Other way around. They started with elevator/stairwell core and designed their way outward. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 3, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Stang10 said: So this little nugget was sent to me. Looks they are getting close to having an interior design/layout if they spent the time and money to set up a mock plan for employees to walk through. That could be anything. It could be a cluster of workstations and a mockup huddle room.... what is BTC and WTC?
June 3, 20214 yr Breen and Warrensville. I was told the whole floor is set up for tours to employees featuring smaller cubes, collaboration rooms, etc.
June 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: Breen and Warrensville. I was told the whole floor is set up for tours to employees featuring smaller cubes, collaboration rooms, etc. You are not wrong.
June 3, 20214 yr ^ yeah this is a good sign. it's what my spouse's company did just before they moved out of the seaport to hudson square. then they built most of it that stupid open floor plan anyway lol. just saying i hope the sw employees really do get to pick the office seating style each of them want. anyway nice find this is real news things are indeed moving forward.
June 4, 20214 yr Regarding the idea of a small building on the Jacob's lot, could it create a symmetry with the Sohio building? Maybe @w28th can school me here on the architectual principles. The tower section of the building is not built right on Public Square, but almost a block back. I know the proposed SW tower is a full block back, and not connected, but could it give the illusion of the same idea of the Sohio / BP / .../ Huntington Bank building?
June 4, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, punch said: Regarding the idea of a small building on the Jacob's lot, could it create a symmetry with the Sohio building? Maybe @W28th can school me here on the architectual principles. The tower section of the building is not built right on Public Square, but almost a block back. I know the proposed SW tower is a full block back, and not connected, but could it give the illusion of the same idea of the Sohio / BP / .../ Huntington Bank building? Actually I think you are looking at the wrong building to mimic. If SHW is keen on a lower building on the Jacobs lot I think a good idea would be to replicate in a modern fashion the federal courthouse across the square and more in line with it. Something using the same stone as the courthouse (large blocks of it) but with lots of glass as well. You would have a line of similar height buildings down Superior starting with the library. Hopefully the same height as the courthouse. Again if they insist on the lower building on the Jacobs lot.
June 4, 20214 yr The reporting so far has been that the shw excellence center is much shorter than either of those
June 4, 20214 yr Also worth bearing in mind that there’s quite an elevation drop from East to west on PS making any short building on the Jacob’s lot look even more ridiculous. My hovercraft is full of eels
June 8, 20214 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, JohnSummit said: Don’t we usually get an “Incoming” before a “BOOM”? Sneak attack 😀
June 8, 20214 yr Looks like one of the nuclear tests out west. SHW to Las Vegas confirmed. I'm so sorry, everyone. /s
June 8, 20214 yr Author 45 minutes ago, Htsguy said: OK @KJP that is an "atomic bomb" so you better have renderings.😉 Pretty close.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 20214 yr Author I had to post the full article on the old site as we're having some troubles with the new site. Thanks as always to @Geowizical!! TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 2021 Sherwin-Williams' HQ tower's height edges upward By 2024, Cleveland's four tallest buildings will surround Public Square. Barring an unlikely dramatic change in the tower's programming and design, Sherwin-Williams' (SHW) new global headquarters is nearing its final form. While some plans of the HQ may be submitted to the city this month, some interior designs may not be finalized by SHW's Build Our Future committee until after site preparation work gets under way this coming winter on the west side of downtown Cleveland's Public Square. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/06/sherwin-williams-hq-towers-height-edges.html A few more massings based on the latest intel...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 20214 yr Excellent reporting as always, @KJP! Some of the descriptions in your article remind me very much of this Pickard Chilton project below. Except for the slope at the top, it sounds like it could be very similar. We'll wait and see the final render!! One can dream!!
June 8, 20214 yr As usual Ken, thank you for the anxiously awaited update. With all the info included the last bit about phone calls not being returned by Scranton Averell is disturbing. We could have had it all. Damn it!
June 8, 20214 yr Thanks guys for the massings. The more I consider them, and given the supposed increase in height, I think I am more pleased that the tower is not going on the Jacobs lot. If it did I think it would not interact with the Terminal Tower very well from a number of perspectives. It looks better on the skyline off set from the TT in my opinion.
June 8, 20214 yr Author 18 minutes ago, cadmen said: As usual Ken, thank you for the anxiously awaited update. With all the info included the last bit about phone calls not being returned by Scranton Averell is disturbing. We could have had it all. Damn it! That's not the only development Scranton-Averell has stymied by its inaction. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 20214 yr The skyline will look fantastic. The original Nucleus Tower proposal would also fit in perfectly!
June 8, 20214 yr The cut out section for a roof terrace on the tower gives me hope that something cool might be planned for the Center of Excellence- perhaps another roof garden or connected terraces above street level. The way that the view of Public Square was described as such a big amenity, I can't believe they would put a standard flat roof with mechanical equipment right out front, and only three stories up where everyone from every building will see it. Fingers crossed!
June 8, 20214 yr Although the basic shape and style of the HQ Tower are consistent with the previous reporting from NEOTrans, the news is still “best-case” - we’ve picked up about 100 feet in height and the sloped roof really interacts beautifully with Key, TT and 200. Now instead of a Big 3 plus a “nice” 500 footer - I feel the massings show us a worthy 4th tower that creates a beautiful balance around PS and that much needed western presence in the skyline. It’ll be fascinating to see the details - color, lighting, just how boxy the tower is and how subtle or effective the sloped roofline is, etc. Considering where the reporting was on this HQ when we were last updated, today’s news is definitely a victory. The skyline is about to add our 4th tallest building and it should be a source of pride for this city. Edited June 8, 20214 yr by CleveFan
June 8, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, CleveFan said: It’ll be fascinating to see the details - color, lighting, just how boxy the tower is and how subtle or effective the sloped roofline is, etc. Some really great news today! I am hoping SHW looks more like the sleek & sexy Houston vs. the Toronto building cited in Ken's article....but you know what they say:
June 8, 20214 yr I am just as anxious to see the treatment on West 3rd along the facing of parking garage. It seems to me that the zoning mandates are going to require some time and attention and will be an important aspect of the project. I hope it results in a great street presence. My gut is that the higher ups at SWH would prefer the mandates were not something they had to concern themselves with.
June 8, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: That's not the only development Scranton-Averell has stymied by its inaction. What’s wrong with them???
June 8, 20214 yr Author 7 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: What’s wrong with them??? They're fossilized. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: I had to post the full article on the old site as we're having some troubles with the new site. Thanks as always to @Geowizical!! TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 2021 Sherwin-Williams' HQ tower's height edges upward By 2024, Cleveland's four tallest buildings will surround Public Square. Barring an unlikely dramatic change in the tower's programming and design, Sherwin-Williams' (SHW) new global headquarters is nearing its final form. While some plans of the HQ may be submitted to the city this month, some interior designs may not be finalized by SHW's Build Our Future committee until after site preparation work gets under way this coming winter on the west side of downtown Cleveland's Public Square. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/06/sherwin-williams-hq-towers-height-edges.html A few more massings based on the latest intel...... Awesome reporting. Do we get to vote: I vote yes. I'm pro-40 story tower.
June 8, 20214 yr Author 17 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: Awesome reporting. Do we get to vote: I vote yes. I'm pro-40 story tower. Thanks! It may top out at 38-39-40.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 20214 yr I want it to be 666' tall plus. The exact number would cause some fun freakouts, that height or heigher would put the state's three tallest (and 4 of 5) right there.
June 8, 20214 yr 55 minutes ago, KJP said: Thanks! It may top out at 38-39-40.... Unrelated, I know but I had a flashback to my childhood (sorry!!)
June 8, 20214 yr WOW! That slope at the top really makes the renderings look good. If it comes out like that it will really look way more appropriate than I would have thought a box could. It sort of respects and draws attention to the centerpiece of the skyline, the Key Tower.
June 8, 20214 yr Thanks for the support everyone - glad you all seem to like the new renderings! Here are some other shots not posted in the article: And cuz @dski44 asked politely, I'll throw in a little OG nuCLEus teaser as well 😉
June 8, 20214 yr I know it's not Christmas yet but I'm asking for that rendering (SHW Tower and CLF in a Nucleus style tower) + a high-rise Justice Center replacement. I know that last part may be a pipe-dream but I'm asking Santa anyway:
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