June 9, 20214 yr @GeowizicalNo, we do not “seem” to enjoy your renderings, we F’n love them! Thank you for contributing, it’ll be interesting to see how things play out and if they match up with what you’ve shared. @Chazz Michael Michaels Although I prefer threads stay close to topic, you get bonus points for a quote from one of many favorite films from the 80s. “Herb, we got a cleanup in Aisle 5!!!” 😆 clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 9, 20214 yr I'm happy to hear the latest newsflash particularly related to the slight increase in the buildings height. However, I find the look of the mock-up to be extremely underwhelming. Of course the aesthetics can ultimately be quite alluring depending upon the exterior details ... type and coloring of glass as well as any decorative touches or rooftop illumination and ornamentation. I'd love to see something dramatic atop this tower (a giant illuminated paint can that spins and changes colors) Hoping that what finally comes to fruition will stun every single forum member here due to its transformative and incredibly beautiful appeal. Fingers crossed and rubbing my lucky rabbits foot!!!! 😜😄❤👌
June 9, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, MayDay said: @GeowizicalNo, we do not “seem” to enjoy your renderings, we F’n love them! Thank you for contributing, it’ll be interesting to see how things play out and if they match up with what you’ve shared. Much appreciated! I just didn't want to assume that every single person likes them, haha 😆 I too am very interested to see if things play out similarly - and if they do by some miracle, I swear in advance I DONT work for the architects lol
June 9, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, KJP said: They're fossilized. How could such an awesome website come from a fossil? http://www.scranton-averell.com/ Edited June 9, 20214 yr by cfdwarrior content
June 9, 20214 yr Author 14 minutes ago, John D. Baumgardner said: I'm happy to hear the latest newsflash particularly related to the slight increase in the buildings height. However, I find the look of the mock-up to be extremely underwhelming. Of course the aesthetics can ultimately be quite alluring depending upon the exterior details ... type and coloring of glass as well as any decorative touches or rooftop illumination and ornamentation. I'd love to see something dramatic atop this tower (a giant illuminated paint can that spins and changes colors) Hoping that what finally comes to fruition will stun every single forum member here due to its transformative and incredibly beautiful appeal. Fingers crossed and rubbing my lucky rabbits foot!!!! 😜😄❤👌 John, perhaps you don't realize that these renderings are done by a friend who does these for the love of Cleveland, not for love of money. It is his hobby. I'm very appreciative of his generosity in adding some visuals in his free time. We should all be so lucky to have someone like @Geowizicalin our lives. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, KJP said: John, perhaps you don't realize that these renderings are done by a friend who does these for the love of Cleveland, not for love of money. It is his hobby. I'm very appreciative of his generosity in adding some visuals in his free time. We should all be so lucky to have someone like @Geowizicalin our lives. @KJP, of course I realize that these drawings are only for massing purposes. I just hope that the actual tower doesn't come out in a very similar form. In these forums, everyone is entitled to and shares their individual opinions. I certainly didn't say I am unappreciative of this work performed by @Geowizical. In fact, I enjoy his various renderings in this and other threads. Edited June 9, 20214 yr by John D. Baumgardner
June 9, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, cfdwarrior said: How could such an awesome website come from a fossil? http://www.scranton-averell.com/ Might as well stick “angelfire” in their hyperlink and one of these on the site. Edited June 9, 20214 yr by Sapper Daddy
June 9, 20214 yr Wow! Thanks for the news @KJP and the renders @Geowizical. I'm very (very!) pleased, and now my interest & curiosity move to enthusiasm & hopefulness about coming news of various treatments; the materiality and texture of the surfaces, especially at pedestrian level; the look of parapets and flashing, etc. Then there's the overall shape and color, sculptural features, and reflectiveness of the finishes; and details like how Pickard +Chilton will resolve turning corners with sharp edges or soft curves, etc. P+C has put together some plain-Jane duds over the years, but also some of the most positively stately and impressive textures that are a complete pleasure to behold on a tower (300 N LaSalle anyone?) The composition of the planes and surfaces of this new skyscraper could really be a standout, in fact a dazzler. My hope is for elegance over shocking boldness. ...Oh my, the whole package can yet go in so many different directions. I'm back on the edge of my seat for more news. Today was made better for me thanks to all the reports and insights in this thread. Thanks again. ❤️ Edited June 9, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy grammar/spelling
June 15, 20214 yr anyone else hear more about this tower being built with extra space and having other tenants in the building besides SW?
June 15, 20214 yr Author MONDAY, JUNE 14, 2021 Photos, details of Sherwin-Williams' new HQ interiors At last, we have more illustrations showing the preliminary designs of the new Sherwin-Williams (SHW) headquarters! OK, they're photos of the proposed interiors rather than renderings of the exterior. But during employee tours of the interior mock-ups, HQ design team members confirmed the physical HQ descriptions NEOtrans has reported are accurate. And considering that up 3,500 Greater Clevelanders, plus many suppliers and customers will be seeing more of the HQ interiors than the exteriors, the design concepts are very important to attracting and retaining talent to SHW and Greater Cleveland. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/06/photos-details-of-sherwin-williams-new.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 15, 20213 yr yeah good to see they are mostly going for normal cubes, with huddle rooms and cubbies. and a mini conference bar!
June 15, 20213 yr 6 hours ago, gottaplan said: whoa! a huddle room! Those are the rooms that your manager will meet with you to let you know not to expect any raise this coming year because SW spent it already building this beautiful new headquarters! Simple victories.
June 25, 20213 yr 43 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said: 🎼 🎶... 🎵🎶... I’m growing so impatient. I really hope this would be something we look at and say DANG THIS WAS WORTH THE WAIT.
June 25, 20213 yr Same here. I can only refresh NEO-Trans Blogspot so many times in a day before I give up 😄 https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
June 25, 20213 yr Author I hate to say, but it won't be worth the wait. After waiting so long and expecting so much, there's no way it can measure up. It's like the movie you've heard so much about for so long, and when you finally see it, it's like "I waited so long for this?" I'm just looking forward to having another 500- to 600-foot-tall tower in the skyline. That's the extent of my expectation. If it meets that, I will be satisfied. I'm not expecting it to relate to the street at all. BTW, nothing has apparently changed from what I've reported most recently... https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/06/sherwin-williams-hq-towers-height-edges.html https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/06/photos-details-of-sherwin-williams-new.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: It won't be worth the wait. After waiting so long and expecting so much, there's no way it can measure up. Nothing has apparently changed from what I've reported most recently. Oh, I think it’ll be worth the wait! After years of speculation, to finally see an official rendering of what is coming will be a turning point, moving the discussion from imagination to a tangible image concept. The next big turning point then will be the movement of dirt.
June 25, 20213 yr Tallest office building in the city in 30 years. That's an exciting milestone even if the building is boring. It's also being built immediately after a massive economic downturn that could easily have derailed plans, but didn't. Frankly it's symbolic of Cleveland's very strong emergence from the pandemic. Lots to be thankful for even if the aesthetics end up being underwhelming.
June 25, 20213 yr 12 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Tallest office building in the city in 30 years. That's an exciting milestone even if the building is boring. It's also being built immediately after a massive economic downturn that could easily have derailed plans, but didn't. Frankly it's symbolic of Cleveland's very strong emergence from the pandemic. Lots to be thankful for even if the aesthetics end up being underwhelming. Way to keep a good attitude! I find it hard to remain upbeat though. It's kind of like finding out the Browns are coming back in 1999 but knowing that they are going to be a disaster for 20 years. Thankful? Yes. Excited? Hopeful? Not so much. But you're right. At least we have a team/skyscraper. That's something, right?
June 25, 20213 yr @KJP - Any news on the Rockefeller project next door? Maybe Cliffs builds over there after the garage is torn down?
June 29, 20213 yr Author On 5/24/2021 at 12:21 AM, Silent Matt said: Ken, have you heard that, in fact, the final design has been settled upon? @Silent MattYes. Article coming....... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr Author Here's a sample of some of the music I'm listening to so that I may write the article in the proper frame of mind. Yes, this is some of the most kick-@$$ music ever composed. And yes, you should take a cue from the title "Rise Above".... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: Here's a sample of some of the music I'm listening to so that I may write the article in the proper frame of mind. Yes, this is some of the most kick-@$$ music ever composed. And yes, you should take a cue from the title "Rise Above".... All I saw was “two steps from hell” and I thought “that doesn’t sound great.” Looking forward to non-hellish news! When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 29, 20213 yr Author Nah, Thomas Bergersen's music is amazing. If it doesn't make you feel anything, you might already be kaput. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr Author TUESDAY, JUNE 29, 2021 600 feet above the street: Sherwin-Williams sets HQ height An executive-level committee at Sherwin-Williams (SHW) has made a critical decision -- the final height of its new headquarters tower just west of downtown Cleveland's Public Square. According to sources on the HQ design team, the height decided by SHW's Building Our Future Committee is 600 feet. The tower's height may actually be a few feet over 600, depending on the size of rooftop fixtures and other related structures ordered. The number of floors also approaches 40 stories, but the number isn't easy to specify since there are planned lobby mezzanines and penthouse levels that can be counted or discounted based on preference. MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/06/600-feet-above-street-sherwin-williams.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr Amazing reporting @KJP. Do any of the "briefing documents" you have seen contain actual renders or massings?
June 29, 20213 yr The only thing I don't like at all is this: "Roughly 2.8 acres of SHW-owned land held for "future development" along West 6th Street and St. Clair Avenue will be used for trailers, equipment and materials staging during HQ construction. Afterwards it will return to use as surface parking and held for future expansion unless a developer or developers make worthwhile offers to SHW." Returning this to surface parking would be such a disappointment. I hope that is not the long term reality.
June 29, 20213 yr I'm hopeful that the location and surrounding momentum (Rockefeller rehab, potential Rockefeller parking lot new construction, potential Magellan new construction, the new HQ itself) will be more than enough reasons for developers to jump at those lots. I won't get my hopes up too quick but fingers crossed... Having a complete and built up / activated W6th corridor would be amazing someday, hopefully sooner than later.
June 29, 20213 yr weve talked about it all before, but not excited about a bridge over w3 or about the center of excellence plan. sullies the entire project imo
June 29, 20213 yr Great to now have the official confirmation that Cleveland will add a 600 foot tower to the skyline. That will be a huge change in the look of the skyline. This single addition will really be symbolically and aesthetically powerful for the city. Now we just have to see the actual execution of detail in the structure - hopefully it will be one of those projects that, in person, is even more impactful than expected based on the early massings. Also great to know that the city design commission has been working cooperatively with SW already and that we should not expect a drawn out design approval process. Watching this baby rise is going to feel real good! Edited June 29, 20213 yr by CleveFan
June 29, 20213 yr 600 feet is great but no mention of balconies...sorry guys. The heat's getting to me.
June 29, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: TUESDAY, JUNE 29, 2021 600 feet above the street: Sherwin-Williams sets HQ height MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/06/600-feet-above-street-sherwin-williams.html I really like how the angled roof slopes up towards the Big 3. I also like how the tower is west of W 3rd. It will provide more interesting sight lines. Overall the impact on the skyline will benefit tremendously because of both of those decisions. (The Public Sq facing lot plans are still quite disappointing.) When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 29, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Thanks a bunch, Ken, for sticking with your fantastic reporting here so long. This comment: "Each of those myriad of options was presented to the committee for review and elimination until only one was left." Maybe this was part of the process?
June 29, 20213 yr Author 1 hour ago, LlamaLawyer said: Amazing reporting @KJP. Do any of the "briefing documents" you have seen contain actual renders or massings? No. I was not given any documents with renders on them. In fact, when I reported the site plan in January, that was based on word descriptions. But the descriptions were so detailed that I was able to come up with my own interpretation of the site plan which turned out to be nearly identical to the official release a month later. BTW @Geowizical, design team sources say your renders are pretty close to what is proposed except the roofline is "a little bit different" and another said "a little fancier but close enough." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr My wife just walked in the room and asked me if I was watching porn...I told her it was better...a Ken Prendergast report! Edited June 29, 20213 yr by cfdwarrior
June 29, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: BTW @Geowizical, design team sources say your renders are pretty close to what is proposed except the roofline is "a little bit different" and another said "a little fancier but close enough." I'll take it! That's a win in my book 😎
June 29, 20213 yr I'm just grateful it has some decent size and it's erasing the shameful fact that some of the frontage on our prime downtown civic space was surface parking lots for years. That will no longer be the case, and I am happy.
June 29, 20213 yr This firm must love pushing out glass, boxy, 600 footers this time of year [emoji28]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
June 29, 20213 yr Author 1 hour ago, cfdwarrior said: My wife just walked in the room and asked me if I was watching porn...I told her it was better...a Ken Prendergast report! 😬 2 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: This firm must love pushing out glass, boxy, 600 footers this time of year "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr 8 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: This firm must love pushing out glass, boxy, 600 footers this time of year Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Interestingly, the project page describes that tower as 520,000 square feet of space. Must be much smaller floorplates than SHW, which I think is supposed to be around 1 million square feet, at the same height.
June 29, 20213 yr Interestingly, the project page describes that tower as 520,000 square feet of space. Must be much smaller floorplates than SHW, which I think is supposed to be around 1 million square feet, at the same height.You are correct. This is actually a really good looking building in my opinion, and still has a looming presence at ‘only’ 600’. Just hope SHW isn’t way boxier than this to make up that square footageSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
June 30, 20213 yr I'm glad CPC is involved and the approval process is being expedited, but also very frustrated that there's zero public involvement. Small business owners and homeowners can sometimes spend months getting put through the ringer at local design review, Landmarks and CPC for things like signage, roof replacements, and minor rehabs. Think of what developers in Ohio City, Tremont, or Little Italy have to go through. Meanwhile perhaps the most important project in a generation won't be made public until it is more or less already approved? I'm not saying they should spend a year scrutinizing every little detail of the SHW project, but is it too much to ask to see a rendering?
June 30, 20213 yr Agreed. Hopefully it will not have a dark, drab exterior. There are enough of those buildings downtown already.
June 30, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, skiwest said: Agreed. Hopefully it will not have a dark, drab exterior. There are enough of those buildings downtown already. No, no, no, it won't look like anything we have here in Cleveland. I mean, we're told it will resemble the world class architecture of suburban Toronto. So...yay!
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