July 12, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: Sounds a lot like Pickard Chilton's 1144 Fifteenth in Denver: The photo, provided by @Chazz Michael Michaelsreally impressed me as to how big SW will appear from the ground level perspective- this skyscraper in Denver is just under 700,000 square feet and 603' high - so especially in style and height, it's a pretty good comparison. And seeing the great photo shared by @Mov2Ohioreminds me that for many posters, it'll be the first time experiencing a very tall true skyscraper rising in Cleveland. Yea, it's gonna be very exciting! Edited July 13, 20213 yr by CleveFan Format
July 12, 20213 yr I think it’s a very attractive building. But does anybody else look at all of PC’s work and find a lot of similarities in them? I definitely won’t use the word lazy, just seems like they basically go for one style. And almost copy and paste from their previous work.With that being said, I will gladly welcome a beauty like this downtown.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
July 12, 20213 yr That Denver project has a great ground floor presence. I'd be thrilled if it looked this nice. Most of Chilton's designs though are bland, cold metal and glass. This however looks great:
July 13, 20213 yr One thing I really enjoyed was walking around Boston late at night and looking into all the different lobbies and designs. I really hope that this has something cool or at least unique like @Mendoposted...
July 13, 20213 yr The Denver tower incorporates their parking into the structure between floors 3-13. Would rather see this incorporation and lose the stand alone parking structure proposed for SHW's
July 13, 20213 yr @KJP i know the first meeting with CPC is scheduled for a week from today. Can we expect to see initial renderings that same day?
July 13, 20213 yr Author 13 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: @KJP i know the first meeting with CPC is scheduled for a week from today. Can we expect to see initial renderings that same day? Doubtful. They are presenting the conceptual massings we all saw. Once the city approves the massings with whatever changes are recommended, then they will submit schematic plans including initial renderings. After that is approved with whatever changes are recommended, then they will submit final plans for review and approval. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 20213 yr Am I correct in thinking that site prep can begin once massings are approved? Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
July 13, 20213 yr Author 4 minutes ago, Dougal said: Am I correct in thinking that site prep can begin once massings are approved? I think it's safe to say they already are. This was June 25th.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 20213 yr What a different welcome it will be for out-of-town guests to be dropped off in front of the Renaissance vs. the see of parking.
July 13, 20213 yr Author 17 minutes ago, OldEnough said: What a different welcome it will be for out-of-town guests to be dropped off in front of the Renaissance vs. the see of parking. I don't want to see that sea of parking either. 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 20213 yr It's going to create a whole different feel for that area giving it an even bigger city feel and look. Going to be exciting watching this baby get built.
July 13, 20213 yr 20 minutes ago, KJP said: I don't want to see that sea of parking either. 😉 There should never be surface lot parking within the boundaries of downtown
July 13, 20213 yr 10 minutes ago, B767PILOT said: There should never be surface lot parking within the boundaries of downtown Land Value Tax to the rescue...but not in cle lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax This may be a better home for the discussion?
July 13, 20213 yr Author Just noticed that the SHW HQ presentation will be to a joint meeting of the CPC and Landmarks a week from today..... https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/SW/2021-07-20_CLE-Joint-Meeting-Agenda.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 14, 20213 yr 50 minutes ago, KJP said: Just noticed that the SHW HQ presentation will be to a joint meeting of the CPC and Landmarks a week from today..... https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/SW/2021-07-20_CLE-Joint-Meeting-Agenda.pdf Exciting news
July 14, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Just noticed that the SHW HQ presentation will be to a joint meeting of the CPC and Landmarks a week from today..... https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/SW/2021-07-20_CLE-Joint-Meeting-Agenda.pdf Can you explain the significance of the City Planning and Landmark commissions being present? Anything that should be expected? Edited July 14, 20213 yr by BuckeyeNative
July 14, 20213 yr Perhaps to exercise our rights of public comment, we can create a running list of concerns mentioned in the past by our fellow posters. If it reads well, we can ask for a volunteer to tidy it up and submit by email by July 18 per the notice to represent our collective UO thoughts. Anyone want to begin?
July 14, 20213 yr 11 minutes ago, DO_Summers said: Perhaps to exercise our rights of public comment, we can create a running list of concerns mentioned in the past by our fellow posters. If it reads well, we can ask for a volunteer to tidy it up and submit by email by July 18 per the notice to represent our collective UO thoughts. Anyone want to begin? I expect a lot of comments will be submitted which means it might be best to have the most voices and submit separately. Need to drown out any NIMBYs too. There's gonna be at least somebody complaining about not enough parking lol. But regarding concerns: More public uses like retail to activate the street. Make Frankfort inviting and pedestrian friendly. Find a developer to partner with and start on "future development" ASAP. No skywalks. Bike parking. Add color, art, and character to the buildings.
July 14, 20213 yr 8 minutes ago, tykaps said: I expect a lot of comments will be submitted which means it might be best to have the most voices and submit separately. Need to drown out any NIMBYs too. There's gonna be at least somebody complaining about not enough parking lol. But regarding concerns: More public uses like retail to activate the street. Make Frankfort inviting and pedestrian friendly. Find a developer to partner with and start on "future development" ASAP. No skywalks. Bike parking. Add color, art, and character to the buildings. To follow-up on the “character” part, I thought it’d be neat if the future development copied some of the architectural characteristics of the Warehouse District. I think this project could serve as a nice transition between the two downtown districts and incorporating some of that would be a nice touch. I’m not sure how well it’d go with the rest of the Sherwin Williams campus, though. Just my opinion. Edited July 14, 20213 yr by BuckeyeNative
July 14, 20213 yr Great, an opportunity for Landmarks to complain about height for no reason and offer unproductive commentary.
July 14, 20213 yr Great, an opportunity for Landmarks to complain about height for no reason and offer unproductive commentary."The building blocks the views of our historic warehouse district buildings, please lower it to 2 stories"Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
July 14, 20213 yr "You can't even see the few remaining historic parking lots from Public Square anymore, so now get rid of the last 2 stories"
July 14, 20213 yr I understand this joint meeting is going to be an in person session at city hall. Does anybody know if it will still be live streamed liked PC and Landmarks meetings have been during the pandemic?
July 14, 20213 yr I understand this joint meeting is going to be an in person session at city hall. Does anybody know if it will still be live streamed liked PC and Landmarks meetings have been during the pandemic? Yes. It says you can watch on their youtube or facebook page.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
July 14, 20213 yr Cleveland committee to hold meeting on Sherwin-Williams’ new downtown Cleveland HQ, seeks public feedback. https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2021/07/cleveland-committee-to-hold-meeting-on-sherwin-williams-new-downtown-cleveland-hq-seeks-public-feedback.html
July 14, 20213 yr 5 hours ago, X said: "You can't even see the few remaining historic parking lots from Public Square anymore, so now get rid of the last 2 stories" Maybe we can get an historic parking lot preservation fund established via the State. Seems about right based on the anti-urban tilt of the Ohio General Assembly.
July 15, 20213 yr On 6/30/2021 at 1:48 PM, KJP said: SHW and the city were at odds over whether Frankfort should be considered a street or an alley and thus whether the parking deck needed to have a liner building on it. Vacating Frankfort makes that debate moot. But since SHW will have its HQ loading dock on Frankfort and possibly a garage entrance/exit, it will remain a vehicular thorough route and not have the garage butt up against the HQ tower. I've often been told to look at the BOK Park Plaza for the closest model to what SHW and Pickard Chilton want to do with the HQ, especially at/just above ground level. Note that just north of BOK Park Plaza is an alley that is no longer public. It is a loading/service drive for the skyscraper with a skywalk over it to the parking garage next door. I've been told that's what SHW/PC have in mind here in Cleveland. https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4673499,-97.5194859,3a,75y,236.58h,102.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBRJtV3RA8Vo_gokFbPzHbQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Using @KJP's link above, yes, this certainly looks nice from West 3, looking west.....
July 15, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, Pugu said: Using @KJP's link above, yes, this certainly looks nice from West 3, looking west..... And don't forget to imagine jersey barriers instead of the bollards.
July 15, 20213 yr @Pugu Yes, this is exactly what I am expecting to learn has been planned by P+C for Sherwin Williams. It's what I hope planners and decision makers at The City are able to prevent from happening. Whatever goes in on Frankfort and overall will be what gets locked in for Cleveland & our visitors for (probably) the next 75 year, so let's get this done right folks, okay? Edited July 15, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy
July 16, 20213 yr I think this new tower of Pickards in Dallas is gorgeous. Almost exact same floor count and height. But about 500,000 sq ft smaller!! Love all the welcoming green space at the base, which we probably won’t have much of. This tower even has a lounge, restaurant and coffee shop. Also none of which we will get to enjoy :(Click link for pics and infohttps://www.pickardchilton.com/work/field-street-towerSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
July 16, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, ExPatClevGuy said: ... so let's get this done right folks, okay? Psst: Maybe I have a false hope, but the folks that can articulate well their concerns about this plan, please don't forget to send your comments by email by Sunday afternoon to the Planning Commission of Cleveland. https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/SW/2021-07-20_CLE-Joint-Meeting-Agenda.pdf
July 18, 20213 yr I'm not an architect , but these are my comments that I just emailed to the commission. "My top concern is how SW will address the inclusion of surface parking on the lots that are reserved for future expansion. What if anything is the plan in the event that future expansion is not required for SW for many decades? My second concern is the elevated skybridges connecting the parking garage and learning / training center with the main tower. The design of these walkways is critical for how the public will perceive and interact with the exterior spaces - especially the auditorium building on the present Jacob lot. My concern is that the overall design at the street level will veer toward a "fortress" vibe and not create welcoming public spaces. My third concern is that the small amount of space of the "retail liner" allocated on the W 3rd side of the parking garage seems severely inadequate for a project of this scope. See #2 above. If one of the main stated goals of the project is to create an environment and public interface that will help attract the next generation of SW workers, the interaction of the design at the street level with Public Square and the Warehouse district appears to be unimaginative and backward looking rather than forward. Good luck as you incorporate public feedback into your design and congratulations to all for making the investment. Sincerely Yours, D. Summers
July 18, 20213 yr Author 5 pm today is the deadline to submit input on the basic conceptual plan. Keep it short and polite. Email it to: [email protected] "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 18, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Keep it short and polite. @KJPI believe I followed your advice. What i really wanted to do is call the skybridges "gerbil tubes."
July 18, 20213 yr I am pretty sure the gerbil tubes are a done deal. The only thing to hope for is that they put some effort into them so they don't turn out looking like the generic sky bridges we have downtown. The reason I feel this way, and as I believe has been pointed out by either other forum members or in a news article, is that the Planning Commission has lost the moral high ground on the issue since it approved both bridges for the casino. If SHW brings this up in response to any Commission push back, I guess all they can say is we were wrong but I am pretty sure they are not going to want to piss the company off on this point. As such I hope, other than suggestions for the actual design of at least the West 3rd bridge, that not a lot of time is spent on this so that other problematic design issues can be hashed out at length.
July 18, 20213 yr Author I'm hopeful we can get a more active street-front for West 3rd. They're doing the absolute minimum. 2k sq ft is woefully inadequate and easily correctable. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 18, 20213 yr 5 pm today is the deadline to submit input on the basic conceptual plan. Keep it short and polite. Email it to: [email protected]Sent my email. I requested the sides of the development (office building and parking garage) that touch the sidewalk (West 3rd, Superior, Frankfort) have uses that are accessible to the public. I said in the email "if Cleveland is to take that next leap in it's future and compete with cities of it's size they can't repeat mistakes from their past". I mentioned how we have enough highrises with dead zones and we don't need another. I also mentioned how Cleveland was trying to have as little dead zones as possible with this new zoning overlay and how this is the perfect development to set the tone of that with. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
July 19, 20213 yr It's sad, but also hilarious that there are likely townhomes going up in Ohio City or Tremont that will end up being taller than this ridiculous paint center or whatever they're calling it.
July 20, 20213 yr 2 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: Here she is! Ok, looks great...but Sheeez , anyway to remove the W3rd skybridge?
July 20, 20213 yr Author Look familiar? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 20, 20213 yr "...the aversion to skybridges, which was mentioned in almost half of all comments..." "We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of paradise." - ????, ???????
July 20, 20213 yr Hey, this design shouts: International paint and coatings firm headquarters! Sufficient gravitas and just a little flair. Edited July 20, 20213 yr by DO_Summers
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