13 minutes ago, audidave said:

Jacobs lot is theoretically one of the most expensive and developable pieces of real estate in Cleveland.  Why wouldn’t it make sense to build much more on it than just a 2 story building on half the block?

A luxurious & ostentatious conspicuous display of wealth by our favorite Fortune 200 corporation? 🎩 🧐  💰💰💰   ...😆

Edited July 20, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy
moneybags

3 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Luxurious ostentatious waste by a Fortune 200 corporation? 🎩

 

yeah, seems like a vanity project to me. when pressed on design principles on public square and the skywalk over w3, the team didn't really have any good answers other than to say its what SHW wanted to do.

Something like this I would find palatable. A steel and glass sort of webbing tying the two structures together, sloping up to the tower, while also sheltering West 3rd from the elements. Would also give the tower a much more dramatic “soaring” look from the square. 

40 minutes ago, KJP said:

Some more views

 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting these views. From this angle it clearly shows just how utterly horrible the thing on Public Square is.  Imagine if they showed a view from the sidewalk--it would look substantially even worse.  I'd say the structure MUST BE at least the height of the Renaissance Hotel/May Co/CEI Bldg----and MUST NOT BE set back.

2 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

 

yeah, seems like a vanity project to me. when pressed on design principles on public square and the skywalk over w3, the team didn't really have any good answers other than to say its what SHW wanted to do.

The Lever house in NYC is famous for it's architecture in general, but notable in the fact that they only built on about quarter of a prime piece of Manhattan real estate.  The rest of the site was outdoor space and a "floating" second floor.  It was seen as a status symbol at the time- like they were so rich that they didn't have to fully develop their expensive piece of land.  That seems to be the exact opposite of SHW's mentality, which is why I find the pavilion so puzzling.  It seems to imply a lot that is contrary to their conservative, pragmatic, fiscally responsible, way of thinking.

I'm getting more ok with the pavilion provided it has significant and attractive public uses. I get that it won't be very tall, but how many buildings are there that have more than a couple floors of public use anyway? In light of that fact, how much difference does the height really make? At 50 feet, it would be a similar height to the middle peak of the Old Stone Church, so not out of scale for the square.

It's going to be great to see this at the end of Superior and Euclid when driving west into town!

23 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

I'm getting more ok with the pavilion provided it has significant and attractive public uses. I get that it won't be very tall, but how many buildings are there that have more than a couple floors of public use anyway? In light of that fact, how much difference does the height really make? At 50 feet, it would be a similar height to the middle peak of the Old Stone Church, so not out of scale for the square.

 

I don't care if it has zero public access---most buildings do not--CEI, may company, 75 Public Square, and a million other bldgs don't have public access---I don't get why there such a demand for it for this bldg.  Public square IS--and by its name--PUBLIC and public space. We don't need public space inside this building; the public needs a proper design building and land use that doesn't look ridiculous--that is, it conforms to the existing land uses---so a minimum of 10-12 stories to be consistent with other structures (with the exception being the Old Stone Church) and at the building line of all other buildings on the square (including the Old Stone Church).  Not building the tower on the square is bad enough---but I guess we can't change that---but this BS of a 2 (or 4) story building that is SET BACK?  That's a big FU to the city of Cleveland and the public.

49 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

I don't care if it has zero public access---most buildings do not--CEI, may company, 75 Public Square, and a million other bldgs don't have public access---I don't get why there such a demand for it for this bldg.  Public square IS--and by its name--PUBLIC and public space. We don't need public space inside this building; the public needs a proper design building and land use that doesn't look ridiculous--that is, it conforms to the existing land uses---so a minimum of 10-12 stories to be consistent with other structures (with the exception being the Old Stone Church) and at the building line of all other buildings on the square (including the Old Stone Church).  Not building the tower on the square is bad enough---but I guess we can't change that---but this BS of a 2 (or 4) story building that is SET BACK?  That's a big FU to the city of Cleveland and the public.

CEI, May Company, and 75 Public Square all have (or will have post-completion) public uses (restaurant/retail), and this pavilion should as well. This is built up against the premiere public space in Cleveland which should only be activated further with more public uses, and this is the perfect opportunity to do that.

6 minutes ago, tykaps said:

CEI, May Company, and 75 Public Square all have (or will have post-completion) public uses (restaurant/retail), and this pavilion should as well. This is built up against the premiere public space in Cleveland which should only be activated further with more public uses, and this is the perfect opportunity to do that.

 

If by "Public space" we mean retail/restaurants that you enter from the street, then, fine---I'd say that would be nice, but not required. I agree that would be great to have a line of shops or restaurants on this block like their used to be at 1 and 33 Public Square, before these were torn down for the Ameritrust Bldg/Parking lot. I still remember that block.

 

SHW may counter as say their "paint museum" is a public facility, designed to teach the public about paint, if they're till pushing the museum concept, not sure. I thought we were talking about space WITHIN the buildings like the atrium in the BP Bldg or the lower levels of the Huntington Bldg or Terminal Tower. But street-front retail---yes, that would be nice.

 

"CEI, May Company, and 75 Public Square all have (or will have post-completion) public uses (restaurant/retail)"  Will these be something other than street-facing uses or will they be something else accessible only from within the bldgs?

Edited July 20, 20213 yr by Pugu

18 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

If by "Public space" we mean retail/restaurants that you enter from the street, then, fine---I'd say that would be nice, but not required. I agree that would be great to have a line of shops or restaurants on this block like their used to be at 1 and 33 Public Square, before these were torn down for the Ameritrust Bldg/Parking lot. I still remember that block.

 

SHW may counter as say their "paint museum" is a public facility, designed to teach the public about paint, if they're till pushing the museum concept, not sure. I thought we were talking about space WITHIN the buildings like the atrium in the BP Bldg or the lower levels of the Huntington Bldg or Terminal Tower. But street-front retail---yes, that would be nice.

 

"CEI, May Company, and 75 Public Square all have (or will have post-completion) public uses (restaurant/retail)"  Will these be something other than street-facing uses or will they be something else accessible only from within the bldgs?

May Company already has street facing uses, but there's a publicly accessible rooftop space for lease too. 75 will have a couple street facing spaces. 55 will have a street facing restaurant in the one story part of the building plus on that one story roof.

SHW could hopefully do something like that with a rooftop restaurant or a street facing cafe or bar or something. Just gotta wait and hope at this point.

3 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

I no longer live in Cleveland, but someone assure me that the pavement on the Main Ave. bridge really isn't as buckled as it appears in this photo. 👀

+ OMG,  that can't be a real guardrail, can it?     

 

Otherwise, my - hopefully humorous - comments overheard by a fly on the wall in the SW executive suite this afternoon: 

 

"We don't need any stinking drunks falling off of the roof of our Learning Pavilion."

"Quick, someone tell me how many new resumes have come into HR this afternoon?" 

"Good one on the utilities below W. 3rd St.  That 150 year old sewer line is going to be impossible to tunnel around."  

 

All in good nature.   No real offense meant.  

Edited July 20, 20213 yr by DO_Summers
guardrail needs to be raised by seven feet

 

TUESDAY, JULY 20, 2021

City OKs Sherwin-Williams HQ concept with conditions

 

A joint meeting of city planning committees partially approved conceptual plans for Sherwin-Williams (SHW) headquarters (HQ). For the portions the review panels didn't approve, they offered guidance on how to enhance the early designs to improve the pedestrian experience along downtown Cleveland's sidewalks.

 

The plans were jointly reviewed and approved today by the Cleveland City Planning Commission, Cleveland Landmarks Commission, Downtown-Flats Design Review Committee and the Warehouse Historic District Design Review Committee. Plans included a more detailed massing whose crown was first described visually and verbally in detail here at NEOtrans earlier this month.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/07/city-oks-sherwin-williams-hq-concept.html

 

14 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

TUESDAY, JULY 20, 2021

City OKs Sherwin-Williams HQ concept with conditions

 

A joint meeting of city planning committees partially approved conceptual plans for Sherwin-Williams (SHW) headquarters (HQ). For the portions the review panels didn't approve, they offered guidance on how to enhance the early designs to improve the pedestrian experience along downtown Cleveland's sidewalks.

 

The plans were jointly reviewed and approved today by the Cleveland City Planning Commission, Cleveland Landmarks Commission, Downtown-Flats Design Review Committee and the Warehouse Historic District Design Review Committee. Plans included a more detailed massing whose crown was first described visually and verbally in detail here at NEOtrans earlier this month.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/07/city-oks-sherwin-williams-hq-concept.html

 

Nicely written,  well balanced article, Sir!  @KJP

After viewing the project in greater detail l must admit l think we dodged a bullet with the tower. Back when we were hearing about a much shorter building most of us were extremely disappointed. But not only are we getting a pretty substantial tower l love all the angles,cutouts and vertical lines not to mention the crown is different from anything else here.

 

And like everyone else l still hate the height of the pavilion but l seem to be in the minority with the shape of it. I prefer the cutout to a box but that is just my subjective view.

 

As for public access to the pavilion l could care less although like everyone else a separate entrance for a public restuarant on the roof would seem to be a smart idea. 

 

Any street level retail attached to the garage etc. I think is a lost cause. Of course, like most l would prefer it but l'm afraid SHW wouldn't make it a leasing priority and we would remain with something like the past attempt at retail by the old National City bank along Euclid - leaving papered over windows offering space for lease. I would prefer to be wrong on this but unfortunately l'm probably right. 

 

Same with the sky bridges. They are a done deal so l won't waste any time complaining about them. I'm just very pleased with the tower and that will have to be enough for me.

The design reminds me of a bigger Hilton Cleveland 

20 minutes ago, 646empire said:

The design reminds me of a bigger Hilton Cleveland 

It is nice to imagine that they would put a hotel similar to this at the for now empty lot (for future development) just west of the tower.

From the cleveland.com article. 

Vocon Principal Matthew Heisey said the design team explored using tunnels to connect the buildings. That option was not feasible because of underground utilities, he said.

 

I’m glad that they at least pursued the tunnel option. My biggest complaint was they could connect the two building underground.

5 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

From the cleveland.com article. 

Vocon Principal Matthew Heisey said the design team explored using tunnels to connect the buildings. That option was not feasible because of underground utilities, he said.

 

I’m glad that they at least pursued the tunnel option. My biggest complaint was they could connect the two building underground.

 

Obviously the utilities don't on vertically downward forever. they still can, of course, use tunnels instead of skywalks if they really wanted to.

No, but you have to go down pretty far as the sewers are big enough to drive a car through. And since a boring machine would be too expensive, you would probably have to use cut and cover, which means a significant disruptions to water, sanitary, storm and electric lines. Not worth when the alternative won't disrupt utility services and and cost $1 million to $2 million versus 10s of millions. 

11 minutes ago, KJP said:

No, but you have to go down pretty far as the sewers are big enough to drive a car through. And since a boring machine would be too expensive, you would probably have to use cut and cover, which means a significant disruptions to water, sanitary, storm and electric lines. Not worth when the alternative won't disrupt utility services and and cost $1 million to $2 million versus 10s of millions. 

Plus, I went back and rewatched the portion of the feed where Mr. Heisey answered questions on the tunnel option. The company wants to use the pavilion as a grand front door. They want to bring in guests into the main tower through the pavilion without having them descend into a tunnel.

 

Personally,  i would just locate the whole center in the base of the tower and do some especially nice landscaping on the Jacobs lot.  Maybe the pavillion gets redesigned now with roof top terrace and everything that could make it special.  Big ?.

10 minutes ago, DO_Summers said:

Plus, I went back and rewatched the portion of the feed where Mr. Heisey answered questions on the tunnel option. The company wants to use the pavilion as a grand front door. They want to bring in guests into the main tower through the pavilion without having them descend into a tunnel.

 

 

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! 

I'm wondering why the bought to parcels when they could've done this with one parcel. 

The tower seems a bit bulky.  I would have prefered a slight taper at the top. Is there a possibility they might tweak the tower a little or is it a done deal?

 

43 minutes ago, freefourur said:

I'm wondering why the bought to parcels when they could've done this with one parcel. 

 

Preserving their view and ensuring their prominence on the square. 

Edited July 21, 20213 yr by GISguy

Thinking now about surface treatments. 'While nice enough in terms of shape, if Sherwin Williams springs for the complete deluxe P+C signature treatement, it could really (in fact) shine; like my favorite P+C product, 300 N LaSalle Chicago.

Edited July 21, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy

2 hours ago, skiwest said:

The tower seems a bit bulky.  I would have prefered a slight taper at the top. Is there a possibility they might tweak the tower a little or is it a done deal?

 

 

I don't expect visible changes to the tower. The Building Our Future Committee considered numerous options for the crown before choosing this one and the city seemed to liked it a lot.

The tower, I love. It’s going to look incredible. It’s everything else that is straight blah and just lazy design. From the ground floor of the tower and pavilion, to the top of the parking garage, these people just plain suck at their job. 

@marty15 From what I have seen Pickard+Chilton is ter-ri-ble at pedestrian interaction and human scale where their towers hit the ground. All their stuff communicates "stand back from this place."

 

What is it about the culture at some firms that they consistently miss certain things to the point of becoming known for it?

 

Sherwin Williams lived for decades at Landmark, which proffered this same cold vibe from the sidewalk outside. Perhaps they see this element as a major plus for them. The City has some coaching work to do to bring home a winner from this team at ground level.

Edited July 21, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy

13 hours ago, DO_Summers said:

Plus, I went back and rewatched the portion of the feed where Mr. Heisey answered questions on the tunnel option. The company wants to use the pavilion as a grand front door. They want to bring in guests into the main tower through the pavilion without having them descend into a tunnel.

 

Personally,  i would just locate the whole center in the base of the tower and do some especially nice landscaping on the Jacobs lot.  Maybe the pavillion gets redesigned now with roof top terrace and everything that could make it special.  Big ?.

So the public is going to be able to wander around the tower? Or will there be public space in the tower? I highly doubt they are going park in their deck and walk business guests to public square in January to enter through the pavilion.

@KJPno pressure (Lol) but I wonder if you can squeeze your sources in a couple of weeks to see if SHW does actually take to heart the comments of the committee’s and do something to make the pavilion taller and do the suggested roof top activation.  My gut feeling is that the second item will never happen in 1 million years.

I was just thinking about it. There is no way that this going to get built for around the price tag they said of about $300 million. For those of you in the industry how much does a building of this size cost including the garage and the pavilion (I know it depends on a a lot of unknowns right now I was just thinking estimates)?

Edited July 21, 20213 yr by cle_guy90

1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

@KJPno pressure (Lol) but I wonder if you can squeeze your sources in a couple of weeks to see if SHW does actually take to heart the comments of the committee’s and do something to make the pavilion taller and do the suggested roof top activation.  My gut feeling is that the second item will never happen in 1 million years.

 

Which, the second item on the list of conditions as posted in my article? If so, that's "Provide a traffic study that includes pedestrian circulation."

 

If so, I think that's very doable.

8 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

I was just thinking about it. There is no way that this going to get built for around the price tag they said of about $300 million. For those of you in the industry how much does a building of this size cost including the garage and the pavilion (I know it depends on a a lot of unknowns right now I was just thinking estimates)?

Ballpark for the parking deck is around $20,000 per space. Building, no clue. $500 - 600 s.f.?

17 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Which, the second item on the list of conditions as posted in my article? If so, that's "Provide a traffic study that includes pedestrian circulation."

 

If so, I think that's very doable.

No second item in my post. The rooftop look out or restaurant which the warehouse district representative was really pushing. Like I said everybody wanted the pavilion to be taller as well and I was just curious if in a couple of weeks your sources could determine whether the architects were working on that.

1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

No second item in my post. The rooftop look out or restaurant which the warehouse district representative was really pushing. Like I said everybody wanted the pavilion to be taller as well and I was just curious if in a couple of weeks your sources could determine whether the architects were working on that.

 

I will inquire.

On 7/20/2021 at 9:40 PM, skiwest said:

The tower seems a bit bulky.  I would have preferred a slight taper at the top. Is there a possibility they might tweak the tower a little or is it a done deal?

 

 

Something similar to this is what I was alluding to previously.  Of course it would have required a few additional floors to get the same square footage resulting in it being close to 700' and the 3rd tallest tower downtown.  Oh well.

Edited July 22, 20213 yr by skiwest

^Though I like the throwback, I think the updated look of the roofline of the new SHW tower will show the City's progress.

 

We can always enjoy what we have already as well...

 

First I want to say how thrilled I am that Cleveland is officially getting another 600+++ foot tower!!! 😃 Simply Fantastic!!!!! 😃

 

Secondly, although its noting extremely extravagant, I would say as of right now I like the tower. As long as it has a nice/bright/shiny facade, and the finishes are nice, I think this might be one of their best yet. If they chose the right materials It could be one of, if not, my favorite building they've done in the USA(I think I might like their overseas ones better, but this could be a really nice and distinct tower).

 

I'd also like to say, after watching the whole presentation, I was pleasantly surprised at the polite-pushback from the city on the horrible Jacobs Lot building - as well as Frankfort and the garage. I honestly didn't expect any pushback at all, hopefully SHW listens and comes back with something dramatically different and much improved! I wholeheartedly agree that it should at least be the heaight of The May Co. building and be as close to the street as possible on every side of the block, Superior is a wide street already and if that building sits back from the street it will seem even more wide & empty.

 

As far as the Pavilion/Jacobs Lot building thing is concerned, I really strongly believe that a "SHW Paint Experience" type of thing would be EXCELLENT for engaging the public. Something where there are multiple options to chose from like(using SHW paints) you can paint your own art on a canvas, or learn about mixing paints and make your own color, or you bring one personal item(hat/shoes/shirt) and using an airbrush you artfully design it... and each option has a different cost. I think for a Public Square facing building this would be a phenomenal pedestrian engagement option, I personally would love it and so would my daughter and family... I'd also take all my friends that come to town. I also think it would be a travel destination type item for people much like Macy's in NYC or Coca-Cola in ATL, plus it would be great advertisement for SHW and a way for people to connect with their brand.  @KJP Do you think you could recommend this as an idea to all your SHW contacts in hopes that it gets to the people in charge? It REALLY would be quite AMAZING to have something like that on our Public Square!

 

Excited for the future. The Best Is Yet To Come. Cleveland Rocks!

13 hours ago, skiwest said:

The tower seems a bit bulky.  I would have prefered a slight taper at the top. Is there a possibility they might tweak the tower a little or is it a done deal?

 

The tower is definitely bulky - had the same square footage been placed on the Jacobs lot  the height of the tower would’ve eclipsed the Terminal Tower or perhaps rivaled Key Tower.  But I think the design team did an excellent job of breaking up the bulk of the tower visually into what looks like four more slender, joined towers. The angled roof lines accent that feeling.
 

I also think the angled roof lines are very contemporary looking and effectively compliment the classic spires of Key and TT.  When you consider the glass cereal box early massing that SW began with, the new tower will end up bringing a very distinctive signature and much needed presence to the Cleveland skyline - one that will reflect this moment in history much as the TT evokes its time.  
 

 

I posted something similar back when the announcement was first made - feels appropriate for an update. It's one meme I'll happily put to rest once we see structural steel rise above street level 🙂

 

 

1 hour ago, NR said:

First I want to say how thrilled I am that Cleveland is officially getting another 600+++ foot tower!!! 😃 Simply Fantastic!!!!! 😃

 

Secondly, although its noting extremely extravagant, I would say as of right now I like the tower. As long as it has a nice/bright/shiny facade, and the finishes are nice, I think this might be one of their best yet. If they chose the right materials It could be one of, if not, my favorite building they've done in the USA(I think I might like their overseas ones better, but this could be a really nice and distinct tower).

 

I'd also like to say, after watching the whole presentation, I was pleasantly surprised at the polite-pushback from the city on the horrible Jacobs Lot building - as well as Frankfort and the garage. I honestly didn't expect any pushback at all, hopefully SHW listens and comes back with something dramatically different and much improved! I wholeheartedly agree that it should at least be the heaight of The May Co. building and be as close to the street as possible on every side of the block, Superior is a wide street already and if that building sits back from the street it will seem even more wide & empty.

 

As far as the Pavilion/Jacobs Lot building thing is concerned, I really strongly believe that a "SHW Paint Experience" type of thing would be EXCELLENT for engaging the public. Something where there are multiple options to chose from like(using SHW paints) you can paint your own art on a canvas, or learn about mixing paints and make your own color, or you bring one personal item(hat/shoes/shirt) and using an airbrush you artfully design it... and each option has a different cost. I think for a Public Square facing building this would be a phenomenal pedestrian engagement option, I personally would love it and so would my daughter and family... I'd also take all my friends that come to town. I also think it would be a travel destination type item for people much like Macy's in NYC or Coca-Cola in ATL, plus it would be great advertisement for SHW and a way for people to connect with their brand.  @KJP Do you think you could recommend this as an idea to all your SHW contacts in hopes that it gets to the people in charge? It REALLY would be quite AMAZING to have something like that on our Public Square!

 

Excited for the future. The Best Is Yet To Come. Cleveland Rocks!

Corning has an amazing glass museum as well as glass making classes, including full art student residencies.  Something like that would be amazing, but I can't imagine they are interested.  We will be lucky to get a sidewalk cafe on Publis Square.

3 hours ago, NR said:

First I want to say how thrilled I am that Cleveland is officially getting another 600+++ foot tower!!! 😃 Simply Fantastic!!!!! 😃

 

Secondly, although its noting extremely extravagant, I would say as of right now I like the tower. As long as it has a nice/bright/shiny facade, and the finishes are nice, I think this might be one of their best yet. If they chose the right materials It could be one of, if not, my favorite building they've done in the USA(I think I might like their overseas ones better, but this could be a really nice and distinct tower).

 

I'd also like to say, after watching the whole presentation, I was pleasantly surprised at the polite-pushback from the city on the horrible Jacobs Lot building - as well as Frankfort and the garage. I honestly didn't expect any pushback at all, hopefully SHW listens and comes back with something dramatically different and much improved! I wholeheartedly agree that it should at least be the heaight of The May Co. building and be as close to the street as possible on every side of the block, Superior is a wide street already and if that building sits back from the street it will seem even more wide & empty.

 

As far as the Pavilion/Jacobs Lot building thing is concerned, I really strongly believe that a "SHW Paint Experience" type of thing would be EXCELLENT for engaging the public. Something where there are multiple options to chose from like(using SHW paints) you can paint your own art on a canvas, or learn about mixing paints and make your own color, or you bring one personal item(hat/shoes/shirt) and using an airbrush you artfully design it... and each option has a different cost. I think for a Public Square facing building this would be a phenomenal pedestrian engagement option, I personally would love it and so would my daughter and family... I'd also take all my friends that come to town. I also think it would be a travel destination type item for people much like Macy's in NYC or Coca-Cola in ATL, plus it would be great advertisement for SHW and a way for people to connect with their brand.  @KJP Do you think you could recommend this as an idea to all your SHW contacts in hopes that it gets to the people in charge? It REALLY would be quite AMAZING to have something like that on our Public Square!

 

Excited for the future. The Best Is Yet To Come. Cleveland Rocks!

If they have to make the smaller building bigger it would be a perfect opportunity for a flagship SHW store. Frankly, I don’t know why they aren’t doing that already. It makes the most sense to have a flagship SHW store there. It would be perfect

23 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

If they have to make the smaller building bigger it would be a perfect opportunity for a flagship SHW store. Frankly, I don’t know why they aren’t doing that already. It makes the most sense to have a flagship SHW store there. It would be perfect

How many people are going to drive into downtown Cleveland to grab a gallon of paint for their bedroom? Any paint being used on commercial projects is already getting delivered (free of any cost) to the jobsite. I know how people think it's a great idea but I don't know how viable the store would actually be.

Edited July 21, 20213 yr by Stang10

30 minutes ago, Stang10 said:

How many people are going to drive into downtown Cleveland to grab a gallon of paint for their bedroom? Any paint being used on commercial projects is already getting delivered (free of any cost) to the jobsite. I know how people think it's a great idea but I don't know how viable the store would actually be.

 

Actually it's a great idea. The paint store wouldn't really be about a profitable store location, rather the PR aspect of it--and people can walk in there and get ideas for colors, or options, or mixes -- and talk to some very experienced paint people---employing the best of the best from the neighboring stores. People can stop in on their lunch hour or tourists anytime. walk out with the info and mix details they need, then go to their local SHW paint store with their car and have it mixed up for them.

Agreed…I think the publicity/exposure of having a manageable size retail operation on PS would be a great idea.

If SW was PR savvy they would be sponsoring both local and internationally renowned artists to create works while highlighting the current trending paint colors. Something like a gallery+interactive center with retail and historical displays would go great on Public Square. 

 

Please steal this idea. 

^ You do recall that this is the company that, less than a year ago, fired one of its employees for being creative and showcasing their products to millions of Tik Tok viewers? 
 

EDIT: To keep on topic, they had an excavator digging a hole on the parking garage plot this morning. 

A Barista store is envisioned for the part of the pavilion closest to Superior. SHW isn't sure if it will be open to the public.

https://www.baristaproshop.com/

3 hours ago, X said:

Corning has an amazing glass museum as well as glass making classes, including full art student residencies.  Something like that would be amazing, but I can't imagine they are interested.  We will be lucky to get a sidewalk cafe on Publis Square.

 

The Corning Museum of Glass is a super nice tourist attraction & highly recommended.  Their art glass collections are "art museum" worthy.  Plus, the technology stuff based on their own products such as the invention of optical fiber is wonderful.    

https://home.cmog.org/