41 minutes ago, KJP said:

A Barista store is envisioned for the part of the pavilion closest to Superior. SHW isn't sure if it will be open to the public.

https://www.baristaproshop.com/

 

So no cafe, but a store for cafes?  Weird.  Just weird.

a little glitz on the pavilion would be nice. ultra high resolution video signage is a thing these days all over asia. i could see it used creatively for new paint colors and products by sw. the tokyo kitty is the latest example:

 

 

^I wouldn't mind a cool digital billboard like that with something cool at Playhouse Square---it would add to it.

Obviously it will be a while before shovels are in the ground, but that means there’s ample time to plan a place and time for a forum meet/happy hour to celebrate the groundbreaking  🥂🍺🎉

 

As the day gets closer, be on the lookout for info and updates. Also,@ColDayMan has offered to cover the entire tab 😁 (KIDDING!)

@MayDay I took the liberty of creating a thread for a SHW Groundbreaking/Cleveland Forum Meet:

 

 

I was ,once again ,playing around with photoshop.  I placed the 300 LaSalle facade onto the SHW Headquarters Tower facade on W 3rd. two options.  The first is all glass and the second is treating the bottom left facade below the cutout to match the stone facade and heights surrounding Public Square.

@dave2017 great job.  I’ve been underwhelmed with the renders so far, but   these made me realize that details can make all the difference.  Also, is it just me, or did you intentionally make the bottom base stone facade as an homage to AmeriTrust center, which I recall was to have a similar treatment, just one block east ?

1 hour ago, dave2017 said:

I was ,once again ,playing around with photoshop.  I placed the 300 LaSalle facade onto the SHW Headquarters Tower facade on W 3rd. two options.  The first is all glass and the second is treating the bottom left facade below the cutout to match the stone facade and heights surrounding Public Square.

 

I hope that's not what it will look like. Looks like it was built in the 70's.

9 hours ago, jbee1982 said:

 

I hope that's not what it will look like. Looks like it was built in the 70's.

Right. I hope it looks way more like the Hilton than that!

i kinda like it.

 

No need for stone facade at base since it is not on Public Square.  And please no vertical stripes.

Stone could still work on the lower levels. Posted upthread the Denver building designed by Chilton uses masonry on the ground floor and it looks great.

5 hours ago, skiwest said:

No need for stone facade at base since it is not on Public Square.  And please no vertical stripes.

Maybe the stripes could be different colors...kinda like paint. Its ok, but not really inspiring...

Agreed. No frickin stripes!

Some colored lighting at night would be nice.

 

Edited July 23, 20213 yr by skiwest

2 hours ago, cadmen said:

Agreed. No frickin stripes!

 

It already looks bulky and clunky and seems to lacks a sense of cohesion.  Hopefully they can do a treatment that helps with this.     

This back and forth about the stripes shows how important not only the design is but the materials as well. Great design can be ruined by poor material choices.

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While the new building does have a large profile on its east and western sides l think its bulk is nicely broken up with the cutouts, vertical breaks and different peaks on both northern and southern ends. I wanted bulk and height but not something outsize its context and l think that's exactly what we have here.

 

Now if we had gotten the same footprint and height in a plain rectangular box l would agree that would have been a negative but l think P+C gave us a nice combination of size and interesting angles.

And it doesn’t have a back as the Sohio/BP/Huntington building does. 

6 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

This back and forth about the stripes shows how important not only the design is but the materials as well. Great design can be ruined by poor material choices.

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being in ny i get to see this a lot and it is 1000% true. even relatively boring looking buildings are redeemed by using very high quality materials — like for example one manhattan west and the wtc. another way to do it is to use a wider variety materials than just glass, with some care and restraint of course. both of those things greatly elevate an otherwise dull or should i say straightforward design.

UO when SHW gets the red light on their two story "PUBLIC" pavilion.

I love the design of the tower - they now just need to elevate the design of the pavilion and garage to match

Purely based on the massing, I am not in favor of that design.  It looks like a giant ice cream sandwich with two angle ends.  To me it seems too disjointed with the angles going in opposite directions.  Hopefully the choice of exterior materials will help improve the look, as I agree with MRNYC, materials can greatly change the look.

Edited July 24, 20213 yr by Firenze98

Agreed. I hope they tweak the top of the tower so it is more tapered or at least have the angles going in the same direction.

 

A shame SHW is so conservative. The had an opportunity to do something bold, but didn't.

 

Edited July 24, 20213 yr by skiwest

39 minutes ago, Firenze98 said:

Purely based on the massing, I am not in favor of that design.  It looks like a giant ice cream sandwich with two angle ends.  To me it seems too disjointed with the angles going in opposite directions.  Hopefully the choice of exterior materials will help improve the look, as I agree with MRNYC, materials can greatly change the look.

That’s what was trying to get at with “lack of cohesion”.  Exterior material selection will be key here. I’m not even clear about the pitches of the angles at the top as they seem to vary in each section (and maybe they are not even clear).  Also, a little more height would help with the sense of bulkiness.  

If they go for a more textured facade (thinking like the vertical steel mullions on Key Tower), it could look great. If they go for just a flat glass curtainwall, might end up more of a 'meh'. This is their Denver tower that's been mentioned before - I think if the vertical elements had more depth, it wouldn't read so flat in the first photo. The second photos shows what I mean, especially near the top of the building.

Ugh. I hope the skin doesn't look anything like that. Too much happening there. 

I think it would look great all glass with maybe changing light strips down both sides of the building

5 hours ago, jbee1982 said:

I think it would look great all glass with maybe changing light strips down both sides of the building

I am not sure what I want - but this being a paint company, I definitely want color... and I mean A LOT of color! I'll leave it to the professionals on how to make it happen - but it really needs to happen and it needs to be dramatic. 

 

If they were to go all glass I would prefer they treat the breakups in the design as opportunities to place lighting strips in them similar to the Hilton or Beacon. It allows them to be simple while adding something to the night time skyline.

The last time we had a 600-plus-foot-tall tower under construction in downtown Cleveland. This was 1990. You can't see the two cranes on top of the tower but you can see the bases for them.

1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

If they were to go all glass I would prefer they treat the breakups in the design as opportunities to place lighting strips in them similar to the Hilton or Beacon. It allows them to be simple while adding something to the night time skyline.

I personally love that idea, but I’m also hoping it can be somewhat restrained.  On one hand it’s impossible to ignore the obvious potential use of color as a branding opportunity for a global paint / coatings behemoth, on the other hand it could be… impossible to ignore in the night sky.  We’ve heard how the SHW company culture is somewhat conservative, so I’m guessing they might not want this to be too showy by grabbing all the attention in the skyline.  Also remember it’s been reported there will be placement of a logo or company branding near the top of the tower on both the east and west sides. With all that going on, it would be easy to overdo, so I’m hoping Pickard exercises a little restraint.

^The Terminal Tower rightly grabs the most attention in the night skyline; though I’m hoping for some dazzle in lighting, I think TT will keep it’s fair share of the attention. 
 

Now- if Key Tower we’re to update the crown with some dazzle, that may be cool… but that’s getting off topic. I’m excited to see what the new SHW lighting concepts will look like as the tower will draw its own attention being the new player in the skyline. The Courthouse Tower drew attention in the past just by the lighting of the cornice (I wish that would come back) so something just that simple could make SHW stand out. 

Edited July 25, 20213 yr by Oldmanladyluck

The cutouts and vertical breaks lend themselves to creative lighting. And that would be another way to differentiate this tower from the others downtown. What we have now are lighted crowns but if SHW chose vertical and horizontal access lighting that would set them apart. 

 

Of course lMO they already possess an advertising icon in the cover the earth image. Millions of people already know that image so incorporating it into the design makes perfect sense to me. And just imagine how many colors could pour out of that bucket. Unfortunately from all reports using the icon doesn't seem to be in the plans. Another lost opportunity. 

And don't forget they're supposedly going to have a couple of SHW names/logos atop the tower. It will be interesting to see what styles/logos and placements they will be.

I want Wilshire Grand Vibes for SWHQ.

 

This is pretty close to the actual plan for the top of the tower, below....

 

 

That’s better than the actual new logo! 

Random notes that don't matter: With the SWHQ, Cleveland will be tied at number 4 in the midwest, with Columbus for most buildings over 500 feet, at 5. We will be tied with Minneapolis at number 2 for Midwestern cities with most buildings over 600'. Number 1 in Ohio.

3 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Random notes that don't matter: With the SWHQ, Cleveland will be tied at number 4 in the midwest, with Columbus for most buildings over 500 feet, at 5. We will be tied with Minneapolis at number 2 for Midwestern cities with most buildings over 600'. Number 1 in Ohio.

I’m assuming you are leaving out Chicago?  Chicago is most definitely Midwest. 

3 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

I’m assuming you are leaving out Chicago?  Chicago is most definitely Midwest. 

I think that is why he stated Cleveland and Minneapolis would be tied for number two with Chicago being number 1 of course.

Edited July 26, 20213 yr by Htsguy

5 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Random notes that don't matter: With the SWHQ, Cleveland will be tied at number 4 in the midwest, with Columbus for most buildings over 500 feet, at 5. We will be tied with Minneapolis at number 2 for Midwestern cities with most buildings over 600'. Number 1 in Ohio.

That’s pretty cool to think about, hopefully nuCLEus can push us past Minneapolis in that category.  

5 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Random notes that don't matter: With the SWHQ, Cleveland will be tied at number 4 in the midwest, with Columbus for most buildings over 500 feet, at 5. We will be tied with Minneapolis at number 2 for Midwestern cities with most buildings over 600'. Number 1 in Ohio.

One other thought—SW HQ will be the 4th tallest in Cleveland, but also puts Cleveland as having 4 of the top 6 tallest in Ohio at that 616 ft.

 

 

 

Edited July 25, 20213 yr by MuRrAy HiLL

Another pass at the reflective glass treatment for the new headquarters

 

Edited July 26, 20213 yr by dave2017

7 hours ago, Htsguy said:

I think that is why he stated Cleveland and Minneapolis would be tied for number two with Chicago being number 1 of course.

Apologies, I misread it. 

I like the glass, but do any of you think an all-glass tower will be jarring next to the big 3?

On 7/25/2021 at 5:34 AM, MyPhoneDead said:

If they were to go all glass I would prefer they treat the breakups in the design as opportunities to place lighting strips in them similar to the Hilton or Beacon. It allows them to be simple while adding something to the night time skyline.

 

I like the lighting idea, just not the red. Makes the building look scary. 

22 minutes ago, jbee1982 said:

 

I like the lighting idea, just not the red. Makes the building look scary. 

Oh those colors don’t indicate what colors I’d use lol. I wouldn’t mind a terminal tower treatment though with the ability to change the lights daily since it is a paint company lol.

I am guessing it will have a dramatic effect on this beauty shot

(borrowed from clevelandskyscrapers.com)