September 30, 20213 yr Author 6 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: Yes, however, in the case of SHW, they are anticipating future growth. I guess those Van Sweringen brothers were a little insecure. 😀 Construction of a skyscraper is naturally motivated by increased growth and density forcing structures in the central business district to rise vertically. It is less cost-effective to build horizontally, necessitating the acquisition and demolition of fully utilized and valuable structures. When you have 60 acres of surface parking lots in your central business district, the reasons for building a skyscraper become less market-driven and more contrived. Things were just a tad different in downtown Cleveland back in the Vans' days. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 1, 20213 yr wow, you know it sure it nice to see that osborne letter -- it's an official goodbye to the aggravating eyesore parking lots! 👍 On 9/19/2021 at 7:12 PM, CleveFan said: The Shanghai Towers show more of a divergence between ne another - and they’re more arresting particularly at their rooflines. The SW HQ reminds even more of the less dramatic Residences at the Ritz Carlton in White Plains Plains NY I wish SW was closer to the sexier Shanghai towers. But we’ve all done more than our share of second guessing, opining and wishful thinking. I’m just looking forward to our skyline changing in the most noticeable way in 30 years. i think we have a bingo here. pretty sure this ritz tower is as close to the sw hq tower renders as we can get:
October 3, 20213 yr The upshot is that we have an emergent pattern of significant skyscrapers being built; 20s (terminal tower), 80s(BP building), 90s (Key), 00s (that courthouse), and 20s (SW). The downside is that after this SW building shows up it means we have to wait until 2080 to get another one
October 3, 20213 yr @mrnyc & @CleveFan Yep. Thanks Pickard + Chilton for a presenting a design for Cleveland that merely mimics another architect's design from fifteen years ago - in a Westchester bedroom community, no less. It was probably considered stunningly fresh for White Plains, NY back in 2007, but it is sleepy & lazy for Cleveland now in 2023/2024. The more I think of this, the less I like that it is so hopelessly derivative and age-worn, even in advance of construction. 👎 I now accept the angle-ey topped Sherwin Williams design as our Scarlet Letter: The official penalty for keeping S.W. in Cleveland. It all just reminds me how powerless I am in the face of almost amateurishly bland artistic vision and sensibility from our most fantastically wealthy local corporate interest. Edited October 3, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy grammar/ terminology
October 3, 20213 yr The originally proposed design that was to become the headquarters for Ameritrust was and still is far superior to SHW's design and layout. I think that is why I have such a hard time with the design that we will be getting.
October 3, 20213 yr My goodness we’ve been discussing this design for months. It’s a conservative company and we got a conservative design. That’s it that’s all.
October 3, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, MyPhoneDead said: My goodness we’ve been discussing this design for months. It’s a conservative company and we got a conservative design. That’s it that’s all. Exactly. Can a mod please lock this thread until there is actually news worth discussing? It's the same posters repeating the same complaints ad nauseam and it's dragging this thread down.
October 4, 20213 yr 8 hours ago, jeremyck01 said: Exactly. Can a mod please lock this thread until there is actually news worth discussing? It's the same posters repeating the same complaints ad nauseam and it's dragging this thread down. 💯💯💯💯💯💯
October 12, 20213 yr Author The power play property next to new Sherwin-Williams’ new HQ site is in play By Ken Prendergast / October 11, 2021 It’s not much to look at right now, but a five-story commercial building at the southwest corner of St. Clair Avenue and West 3rd Street in downtown Cleveland appears to be the subject of a power play. That play ultimately involves Sherwin-Williams (SHW) and the neighboring site where its proposed global headquarters is due to rise starting this winter. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2021/10/11/the-power-play-property-next-to-new-sherwin-williams-new-hq-site/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 12, 20213 yr ^ Interesting article. I hope that, whatever the fate of the building is, someone would do a Schofield-like regen, or at least patch that bullet-hole that appeared in the metal cladding, on the St Clair side, a couple of years ago. Not a great look. My hovercraft is full of eels
October 12, 20213 yr 22 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: ^ Interesting article. I hope that, whatever the fate of the building is, someone would do a Schofield-like regen, or at least patch that bullet-hole that appeared in the metal cladding, on the St Clair side, a couple of years ago. Not a great look. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Welty do the Schofield? As well as CAC/Athlon?
October 12, 20213 yr 5 hours ago, marty15 said: Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Welty do the Schofield? As well as CAC/Athlon? No. Cleveland Construction was the GC on the Schofield.
October 13, 20213 yr Author Yeah, this probably qualifies "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20213 yr Author Thanks again to @tykaps! Sherwin-Williams HQ groundbreaking date set By Ken Prendergast / October 13, 2021 What’s one way a company can express its confidence? By scheduling a groundbreaking ceremony for its new headquarters complex two weeks before final designs for said complex are due to be voted on by the city. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2021/10/13/sherwin-williams-hq-groundbreaking-date-set/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20213 yr 27 minutes ago, KJP said: Sherwin-Williams HQ groundbreaking date set By Ken Prendergast / October 13, 2021 What’s one way a company can express its confidence? By scheduling a groundbreaking ceremony for its new headquarters complex two weeks before final designs for said complex are due to be voted on by the city. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2021/10/13/sherwin-williams-hq-groundbreaking-date-set/ Rereading the rejection from SHW of those understandable and fair suggestions by the planning commission reminds me that I hated the (for a lack of a better term) arrogance from SHW.
October 13, 20213 yr Really looking forward to the lighting concepts. Being a paint company l can only imagine the fun and colorful things that they "could" do. Unfortunately they are also a very conservative company so l don't expect much in the creative mode. Here's hoping they surprise all of us.
October 13, 20213 yr On 10/11/2021 at 9:31 PM, KJP said: The power play property next to new Sherwin-Williams’ new HQ site is in play By Ken Prendergast / October 11, 2021 It’s not much to look at right now, but a five-story commercial building at the southwest corner of St. Clair Avenue and West 3rd Street in downtown Cleveland appears to be the subject of a power play. That play ultimately involves Sherwin-Williams (SHW) and the neighboring site where its proposed global headquarters is due to rise starting this winter. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2021/10/11/the-power-play-property-next-to-new-sherwin-williams-new-hq-site/ Do you think Welty plans to use the building for offices during the construction?
October 13, 20213 yr Author 4 minutes ago, Foraker said: Do you think Welty plans to use the building for offices during the construction? I haven't heard but it's certainly a realistic possibility. The construction staging area will be where the phase 2 tower would go. But I think that's just for construction materials. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20213 yr The tent may end up being taller than the pavilion that will eventually be built on that lot. 😀
October 14, 20213 yr Excited to hear that ground breaking has been set. I'm still very curious what they end up doing for the night time lighting scheme. The vertical stripes on the building have me wishing they'd go for something similar to the Telus Sky Tower in Calgary.
October 17, 20213 yr Thank you to skyscaraperpages member Pleco, for adding a render of the proposed new Sherwin Williams building to this online database. It presents the specifications and a diagram of Cleveland towers. I've always found that site to be a fun place to hang out and waste time on the web, and it's a solid resource with answers to questions I'm curious about when visiting other cities. @Pleco .. is that you? Thanks! “If you’re going to put up a building that eight million people can see all the time, it had better be pretty f%#ing good.” - Gregg Pasquarelli, Founding partner at SHoP Architects Edited October 17, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy My grammar always seems to need fixing.
October 17, 20213 yr 31 minutes ago, ExPatClevGuy said: Thank you to skyscaraperpages member Pleco, for adding a render the proposed new Sherwin Williams building to the online database of specifications and diagrams of Cleveland towers. I've always found this site to be a fun place to hang out and waste time on the web, and it's a solid resource with answers to questions I'm curious about when visiting other cities. @Pleco .. is that you? Thanks! Nice find - thanks. Heres the link for anyone else curious: https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=94835264&page=1 When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
October 17, 20213 yr Haha yeah that's me!! I'm working on the 3D view rn. Always bummed by how much detail gets lost when I scale down the drawings for the site.
October 17, 20213 yr @PlecoThank you so much, love seeing that! I remember when SSP started the diagrams and I think the few remaining renderings I created were from about 2002 😳 For those who may not know - the UrbanOhio site and forum are a spinoff of the Skyscraperpage forum. That said and keeping things on topic - be on the lookout for a forum meet up/get together for the SW Headquarters groundbreaking 👍 clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
October 18, 20213 yr So with @Pleco’s scaled down but outstanding rendering - are you feeling more love for the new tower? I admit I’ve been a little less than thrilled after renderings showing it in context thus far (Then again, I guess it’s a bit silly to make a judgement until the building actually gets built.) Having said that, it looks pretty darn cool on the skyscraper diagram. Really does look like we’ll have a skyscraper that truly belongs to the 21st century. We haven’t had that many of those. Edited October 18, 20213 yr by CleveFan
October 18, 20213 yr Author 13 hours ago, MayDay said: @PlecoThank you so much, love seeing that! I remember when SSP started the diagrams and I think the few remaining renderings I created were from about 2002 😳 For those who may not know - the UrbanOhio site and forum are a spinoff of the Skyscraperpage forum. That said and keeping things on topic - be on the lookout for a forum meet up/get together for the SW Headquarters groundbreaking 👍 Now that you've got the date! 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 20213 yr Author There's nothing to click on yet as it's a TMP (temporary/placeholder) filing, but there will soon be. While site remediation isn't sexy, it's a start.... 21TMP-028257 Com Building Permit 1450 W 3rd ST, Cleveland OH 44115 Global HQ Pre-Construction Remediation "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 27, 20213 yr Ahhh! You beat me to it. There where some beams delivered, too. Edited October 27, 20213 yr by musky
October 27, 20213 yr 45 minutes ago, musky said: A unique angle that reminds one of the gap that the Lumen filled in.
October 27, 20213 yr I keep thinking about how the SHW tower will block the light for Michael Collier's Euclid Ave sunset pics...
October 27, 20213 yr 12 minutes ago, Pleco said: I keep thinking about how the SHW tower will block the light for Michael Collier's Euclid Ave sunset pics... Thought maybe this was Terdolph, but think his gripe would of been that the new SHW HQ will block views of the Frank Lausche building.
October 27, 20213 yr Definitely going to be awesome watching the amazing SW TOWER rise. Wow I’m over excited about this project. LETS GO CLEVELAND Edited October 27, 20213 yr by osu4brutus03
October 27, 20213 yr Re steel beams and sheet piles being delivered---don't they have to start digging the hole first?!? Groundbreaking (which will precede finally city approval) isn't even scheduled til next month!
October 27, 20213 yr I asked this once before and I will ask again - Is it possible that SHW breaks ground before City Club Apartments?
October 27, 20213 yr 6 minutes ago, simplythis said: I asked this once before and I will ask again - Is it possible that SHW breaks ground before City Club Apartments? Literally a month away til the ceremonial gb, non-insider here, but I think that's almost a certainty?
October 27, 20213 yr 50 minutes ago, Pugu said: Re steel beams and sheet piles being delivered---don't they have to start digging the hole first?!? Groundbreaking (which will precede finally city approval) isn't even scheduled til next month! The sheet piles go in first. Then they dig out the dirt and foundations of the 20-30 buildings that used to be there.
October 27, 20213 yr 14 minutes ago, marty15 said: The sheet piles go in first. Then they dig out the dirt and foundations of the 20-30 buildings that used to be there. Looks like they’ll get this started first and then by the official ground breaking it’ll be READY SET GO
October 27, 20213 yr Author 40 minutes ago, GISguy said: Literally a month away til the ceremonial gb, non-insider here, but I think that's almost a certainty? Just 20 days "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 27, 20213 yr Author Sherwin-Williams HQ construction materials start to arrive By Ken Prendergast / October 27, 2021 With nearly three weeks to go before Sherwin-Williams (SHW) plans to hold a groundbreaking ceremony for its new global headquarters, construction materials began arriving today at the future HQ site in downtown Cleveland. And that groundbreaking ceremony is scheduled two weeks before the coatings giant hopes to receive final approval from the City Planning Commission for its HQ plans. The ceremony will be held at 3 p.m. Nov. 16 on the so-called “Jacobs Lot” on the west side of Public Square. The folks who desire to cover the Earth in their paints sure do seem eager to start covering nearly 7 acres of downtown Cleveland with their new HQ. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2021/10/27/sherwin-williams-hq-construction-materials-start-to-arrive/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 27, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, marty15 said: One minor correction. You’re gonna wanna call those H beams, I beams. Not to be pedantic, but you're gonna wanna call those I Beams wide flanges, no?
October 27, 20213 yr Just now, jmicha said: Not to be pedantic, but you're gonna wanna call those I Beams wide flanges, no? I deleted. It could really be either. H-beam just isn’t a generally used term. It’s not wrong tho.
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