Extremely disappointed that they changed the cladding on the garage.  It was going to be a sharp glass cladding and now it is a generic tensile/metal/concrete. 

 

Edit. I see that they will have glass cladding on one side of it so my mistake.

Edited November 16, 20213 yr by cle_guy90

Just now, Whipjacka said:

yea, the garage width was the big change. wonder why

 

Good question. Was it in response to a potential developer/lessee requesting more space? That's what I would like to know.

8 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Good question. Was it in response to a potential developer/lessee requesting more space? That's what I would like to know.

Michelle’s article on Crain’s touches on it a bit.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/sherwin-williams-reveals-final-hq-designs-including-lighting-branding

 

“That change maintains the capacity of the garage while leaving Sherwin-Williams room to add a bay — if there's a need for additional parking. Perhaps more importantly, though, the reduced footprint leaves more of the surrounding block open for other types of development, from housing or a boutique hotel to offices, restaurants or even national retailers.

 

Sherwin-Williams has earmarked the L-shaped perimeter of the block, along St. Clair and West Sixth Street, for such complementary projects. Creating a deeper site along St. Clair gives the eventual developer, or developers, more flexibility, said Tim Muckley, director of corporate real estate, during a meeting this week at the company's historic office complex downtown.”

I was admiring the rendering of the tower as seen from the river for the 1,000th time and it kind of hit me.  Given the design of the building, the purported Phase 2 expansion really cannot be more than 13-14 stories without taking away from many features of the design (at least in my un-expert opinion).  By the way, I say "purported" because in my negative heart of hearts I think that plot of land is going to be a "temporary" surface lot for a very long time.

5 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I was admiring the rendering of the tower as seen from the river for the 1,000th time and it kind of hit me.  Given the design of the building, the purported Phase 2 expansion really cannot be more than 13-14 stories without taking away from many features of the design (at least in my un-expert opinion).  By the way, I say "purported" because in my negative heart of hearts I think that plot of land is going to be a "temporary" surface lot for a very long time.

I was thinking the same thing (great minds think alike). That's why I was kind of hoping they would go a bit taller with the main tower so there would be no need for a phase 2 building. 

8 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I was admiring the rendering of the tower as seen from the river for the 1,000th time .

@HtsguyCan you reshare this specific rendering view here?  I've forgotten where all of the latest documentation can be found.  THX!

5 minutes ago, DO_Summers said:

@HtsguyCan you reshare this specific rendering view here?  I've forgotten where all of the latest documentation can be found.  THX!

I was actually viewing it in a Crains article I accessed with my Cuyahoga County Public Library membership but you can see the river view I mentioned on page 122 of this thread.  First picture on the page (although a bit fuzzy).

More from the Crains article 

All of the renderings and graphics available here:

 

https://corporate.sherwin-williams.com/content/sherwin/corp/corp-aem-sherwin/us/en/media-center/building-our-future/building-our-future-news---updates/headquarters.html

this is all great to see while we wait for a ground breaking.

 

the lighting feature is very cool -- i love it.

 

but the developer-friendly change in the garage sizing is probably the really big news of things to come.

26 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

this is all great to see while we wait for a ground breaking.

 

the lighting feature is very cool -- i love it.

 

but the developer-friendly change in the garage sizing is probably the really big news of things to come.

Now that they might be able to pick up the stupid Stark property, shrinking the garage probably makes sense to market those northern lots. More square footage. 

I am a bit surprised by this move and I am wondering if this expansion of the St. Clair depth is just a common sense idea which finally struck a cord with the SHW planners or whether the impetus was due to some actual negotiations with a possible developer. 

18 hours ago, KJP said:

Ironically, protestors showed up today to protest a groundbreaking that didn't break ground.

 

What were they protesting?   Were they from the Atlanta CofC?   Brecksville's?

^^by the way, it is an idea that they apparently just came up with because they were in front of the Board of Zoning Appeals just this week for garage variances and now they have to apparently go back to the Board due to this new change.  Again the result of a negotiations with a developer that just happen or could it be that one arm of the development team does not know what the other arm is up to.

Edited November 17, 20213 yr by Htsguy

23 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Always funny to me when Cleveland Scene & Co. acts like Cleveland city government just bends to corporate interests and is some well-oiled machine for them.... bruh... 

 

The administration is changing, so the people who expect to be leaving will tend to move at the speed of evolution.

Just now, E Rocc said:

 

The administration is changing, so the people who expect to be leaving will tend to move at the speed of evolution.

 

Just now, E Rocc said:

 

The administration is changing, so the people who expect to be leaving will tend to move at the speed of evolution.

Which is frustrating to me because I'm trying to have as many cranes in the sky as possible for the All Star Weekend lol. 

9 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

 

Which is frustrating to me because I'm trying to have as many cranes in the sky as possible for the All Star Weekend lol. 

 

The phrase "It is what it is" comes to mind.

1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

 

Which is frustrating to me because I'm trying to have as many cranes in the sky as possible for the All Star Weekend lol. 

 

Not sure it'll be ready at SHW by then, even if they started next week - right? 

Its too bad they wouldn't also light the angled top from within using the same color scheme as the stripe.  

In the night shots, with the exception of the logo, that top pretty much disappears into darkness.  

8 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Not sure it'll be ready at SHW by then, even if they started next week - right? 

 

There will be a big hole in the ground however and probably some world-class signage announcing what's going in there. Ditto for City Club.

1 hour ago, willyboy said:

Its too bad they wouldn't also light the angled top from within using the same color scheme as the stripe.  

In the night shots, with the exception of the logo, that top pretty much disappears into darkness.  

Agreed. Especially since SW itself commented that the roofline was meant to be a distinctive signature for the Cleveland skyline. Given  the logo placement, they may have felt it would be “too busy” to outline the angled top.  
 

With the Terminal Tower, Key Tower and 200PS, the lighting is visible from 360 degrees, any angle - The SW lighting won’t have that quality.  I’m sure the vertical lighting will be striking particularly from East and west but it won’t  accent the tower’s overall dimensions and design  like the lighting does for the current big 3. 

2 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Agreed. Especially since SW itself commented that the roofline was meant to be a distinctive signature for the Cleveland skyline. Given  the logo placement, they may have felt it would be “too busy” to outline the angled top.  
 

With the Terminal Tower, Key Tower and 200PS, the lighting is visible from 360 degrees, any angle - The SW lighting won’t have that quality.  I’m sure the vertical lighting will be striking particularly from East and west but it won’t  accent the tower’s overall dimensions and design  like the lighting does for the current big 3. 

I don't think the degrees of visibility will be a big deal. The lighting looks like it will be pretty apparent unless you're directly perpendicular to the building. Maybe not visible from 360 degrees, but 330 degrees or so. 😉

8 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

What were they protesting?   Were they from the Atlanta CofC?   Brecksville's?

 

I heard it was the Ohio City block club complaining about respecting the asphalt aesthetic of the neighborhood. 

 

But in all seriousness - people will find ANYTHING to be angry about

Overall I'm okay with the design, and looking forward to cranewatch 2022....but Frankfurt looks like such a lost opportunity. A sidestreet like that connecting PS to WHD seems just about perfect for that Laneway concept. 

9 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

What were they protesting?   Were they from the Atlanta CofC?   Brecksville's?

what would Brecksville be protesting? That they didn't get enough poaching?

So sad that anyone would be protesting a Fortune 500 corporation that has decided to remain in Cleveland and is investing millions of dollars on a new headquarters.

28 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

So sad that anyone would be protesting a Fortune 500 corporation that has decided to remain in Cleveland and is investing millions of dollars on a new headquarters.

 

From what I understand, the protesters were told to be there and given signs to display.

8 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

I don't think the degrees of visibility will be a big deal. The lighting looks like it will be pretty apparent unless you're directly perpendicular to the building. Maybe not visible from 360 degrees, but 330 degrees or so. 😉

I am interested to see how visible SHW Headquarter's Tower is visible from the east side . I remember when Sohio's Headquarter Tower was built and how it completely blocked the view of The Terminal Tower.  I wished the tower was lit from all sides

9 hours ago, KJP said:

 

From what I understand, the protesters were told to be there and given signs to display.

 

SOROS!?!?

38 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

SOROS!?!?

 

Or maybe Senyak.   We have home grown will-complain-about-anythings.

I suppose Roldo is too old and it *is* downtown after all.

21 hours ago, willyboy said:

Its too bad they wouldn't also light the angled top from within using the same color scheme as the stripe.  

In the night shots, with the exception of the logo, that top pretty much disappears into darkness.  

 

 

i wonder if the whole of the building will also be lit up too? at least sometimes. that would be enough to see it.

 

also, just an fyi trivia i found out, but i believe the term for the vertical lighting effects is called a 'spectacle feature' of a building. or it could be used for a live 'spectacle billboard' too. someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i read that somewhere.

oh come on, sheesh!

is this roldo's grandkid? 😂

 

 

Scene & Heard

Sherwin-Williams Aims for Third-Most Interesting Light Display in Downtown Cleveland With New Skyscraper

Posted By Vince Grzegorek [email protected]> on Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:31 PM

 

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2021/11/17/sherwin-williams-aims-for-third-most-interesting-light-display-in-downtown-cleveland-with-new-skyscraper

We've come a long way since the 70s when the most interesting light display downtown was at CSU during the holidays. 

^Throwback- sweet pic!

 

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the light strip, honestly… but maybe from different angles it will pop a bit more. Maybe from the river angle pic from  the Scranton Penninsula (if anybody knows how to play with photoshop, now that we know what the exterior lighting will look like, I’m making a request 🙂 ).

19 hours ago, surfohio said:

Overall I'm okay with the design, and looking forward to cranewatch 2022....but Frankfurt looks like such a lost opportunity. A sidestreet like that connecting PS to WHD seems just about perfect for that Laneway concept. 

Agreed! 

16 hours ago, dave2017 said:

I am interested to see how visible SHW Headquarter's Tower is visible from the east side . I remember when Sohio's Headquarter Tower was built and how it completely blocked the view of The Terminal Tower.  I wished the tower was lit from all sides

Dave Terdolph?

 

Sherwin-Williams HQ builders to get an HQ, too

By Ken Prendergast / November 21, 2021

 

With an anticipated sale of the Gilman Building closing this week, Sherwin-Williams’ (SHW) global headquarters development team expects to gain its own HQ of sorts in the form of a construction office over the next two years. But the long-term future of this five-story, modernist-clad Victorian-era building at 1350 W. 3rd St. in downtown Cleveland is uncertain.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/11/21/sherwin-williams-hq-builders-to-get-an-hq-too/

 

if there is any possible way to restore the corner gilman bldg to its victorian glory then it absolutely should be saved.

 

it was a real beauty, but lord knows what they did to it in the 1960s covering it with that hideous cheapskate cladding.

 

if it cannot be restored might as well tear it down.

7 hours ago, mrnyc said:

if there is any possible way to restore the corner gilman bldg to its victorian glory then it absolutely should be saved.

 

it was a real beauty, but lord knows what they did to it in the 1960s covering it with that hideous cheapskate cladding.

 

if it cannot be restored might as well tear it down.

 

Restored, it could be a great start to a new strip along W. St. Clair stylistically-sympathetic to the Warehouse District.  Developers in Wash DC are getting to be really good at blending old and new without making it look like Disneyland. 

Jersey barriers were going up at the tower site this afternoon.  I've mentioned it before but the impact of this development cannot be overstated.  Those parking lots suck the life out of the very center of downtown.  They're a black hole not only visually but in the vacuum of activity they create right on the square.  It's like the edge of the earth and downright depressing.  

And hopefully some signage soon indicating it will be the future home of Sherwin-Williams global headquarters.

And it better not be just any ole signage...

And it better not be just any ole signage...

World Class Signage!

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I FOUND IT!

 

By God, I found it 🤣 

 

 

For the new world headquarters of Sherwin Williams,  I want NOTHING LESS than WORLD CLASS SIGNAGE!!

- 

Edited November 23, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy

52 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

I FOUND IT!

 

By God, I found it 🤣 

 

 

For the new world headquarters of Sherwin Williams,  I want NOTHING LESS than WORLD CLASS SIGNAGE!!

As we all know, nothing says World Class Signage like vinyl wrapped chain link fence sitting on top of jersey barriers 😆

^ i am going to print that out, frame it and put it up as art in our new condo.  😂👍

Newer members to the forum must be scratching their heads with all this "world class signage" discussion.  It is definitely one of the Cleveland forum inside jokes that is starting to show its age.  But it is nice to see a picture of it genesis 

^ just wait until they find the uo in greece thread!  😂

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

 It is definitely one of the Cleveland forum inside jokes that is starting to show its age.  

 

something something terdolph park