52 minutes ago, scb0525 said:

Any update on a possible webcam?  

It will be going live in the next 3 weeks, from atop of the Rockefeller Building 

How soon before we might start seeing some structural steel rising?

57 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

How soon before we might start seeing some structural steel rising?

2-3 months from here I imagine 

Not much to see. But this is what i got today, probably around 1230. I did see a handful of construction workers going to different restaurants around this time


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On 12/21/2021 at 12:46 PM, enginerd12 said:

I would say the most likely reason this is being installed is to facilitate excavation for the foundation & utilities of the main tower. 

 

I also wonder whether they are just planning to excavate the entire site now to get rid of all the old building remnants under the entire site.  That could simplify future construction of a second building and cause less disruption to the by-then existing tower if/when the second tower is built.

I would imagine things will really get to rolling around January 3rd 2022

Received this in my e-mail box a few moments ago....

 

Good afternoon news editors, producers and reporters:

 

First Day Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb is being called upon to address one of the city's hottest issues - the longstanding dispute between The Sherwin-Williams Co. and Black contractors in Cleveland. The SCLC and the Black Contractors Group said they will be at City Hall on Tuesday to meet with Mayor Bibb and Council President Blaine Griffin. They want the mayor and council to help both sides return to the table to resolve the burning issue over diversity, equity and inclusion at all levels of the construction of Sherwin-Williams' new global headquarters. Talks broke off after Sherwin-Williams failed to finalize negotiations with a Black-owned firm that was identified as a key partner on the project. Sherwin-Williams has named nine key partners, but all of the partners are white. Sherwin-Williams' failure to name a Black-owned firm as a key partner in a nation's poorest city, which is 51 percent Black, has led to demonstrations outside the headquarters of the global paint and coating giant and forced the top Fortune corporation to cancel its ground breaking in November.  Additional details below. To arrange an interview with a member of the SCLC or Black Contractors Group, contact Jerry Thomas at [email protected], or -312-414-4016. 

9 minutes ago, KJP said:

Received this in my e-mail box a few moments ago....

 

Good afternoon news editors, producers and reporters:

 

First Day Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb is being called upon to address one of the city's hottest issues - the longstanding dispute between The Sherwin-Williams Co. and Black contractors in Cleveland. The SCLC and the Black Contractors Group said they will be at City Hall on Tuesday to meet with Mayor Bibb and Council President Blaine Griffin. They want the mayor and council to help both sides return to the table to resolve the burning issue over diversity, equity and inclusion at all levels of the construction of Sherwin-Williams' new global headquarters. Talks broke off after Sherwin-Williams failed to finalize negotiations with a Black-owned firm that was identified as a key partner on the project. Sherwin-Williams has named nine key partners, but all of the partners are white. Sherwin-Williams' failure to name a Black-owned firm as a key partner in a nation's poorest city, which is 51 percent Black, has led to demonstrations outside the headquarters of the global paint and coating giant and forced the top Fortune corporation to cancel its ground breaking in November.  Additional details below. To arrange an interview with a member of the SCLC or Black Contractors Group, contact Jerry Thomas at [email protected], or -312-414-4016. 

I thought this was resolved 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

15 minutes ago, osu4brutus03 said:

I thought this was resolved 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

 

They are trying to put Bibb and Griffin, both new,  on the spot.   Note the loaded language, blaming SW for the negotiations breaking down.   It's at least equally likely the firm in question is using political pressure tactics to push a deal on their terms.  

8 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

They are trying to put Bibb and Griffin, both new,  on the spot.   Note the loaded language, blaming SW for the negotiations breaking down.   It's at least equally likely the firm in question is using political pressure tactics to push a deal on their terms.  

That’s horrible and this group isn’t even based in Cleveland 

This is the corruption CLASSIC CLEVELAND CITY HALL was RENOWNED for. Curious to see if Bibb lets this racially motivated shakedown continue under his watch.

7 minutes ago, ogibbigo said:

This is the corruption CLASSIC CLEVELAND CITY HALL was RENOWNED for. Curious to see if Bibb lets this racially motivated shakedown continue under his watch.

And to make matters worse, many of these minority owned firms are just shell companies, who hire in majority white firms as subcontractors and mark their invoice up 10%.   So it's not like lots of city of Cleveland minority residents are benefitting with jobs and wages...it's one guy making a small markup who has figured out how to game the system with the white contractors.   

What the circumstances are surrounding this vague, flowery and hyperbolic "news release" (I mean I guess that is what it is meant to be) are unclear.  But whoever this group is, they are fooling themselves if they believe they have any real leverage with the city.  Throughout this entire process all SHW had to say to the city was jump and city officials would just ask how high.  The review process was just one public example of this.  If SHW is actually digging their heels in on some sort of issue (and who knows if that is the case)...believe me...they win.

as if they could not do this under Frank Jackson.  They waited for Bibb to throw this at him as he enters office.  

A while ago I read either here on UO or maybe on KJP Blog that the new SHW Tower will NOT have a basement.  Is that correct?  I've never heard of a office tower NOT having a basement, especially considering that they have to dig for the foundation anyway and with all of the utilities being underground too.

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18 minutes ago, Larry1962 said:

A while ago I read either here on UO or maybe on KJP Blog that the new SHW Tower will NOT have a basement.  Is that correct?  I've never heard of a office tower NOT having a basement, especially with all of the utilities being underground.

 

I see no references to a basement in the HQ tower presentations. Perhaps a basement is planned but due to SHW's heightened desire for security, they don't want to publicize it?

I think they mentioned not having a basement in the commission meetings. when they were explaining that a lot of mechanical stuff would be on ground level

10 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I see no references to a basement in the HQ tower presentations. Perhaps a basement is planned but due to SHW's heightened desire for security, they don't want to publicize it?

 

Not that this directly bears on the basement but given your mention of security it also begs the question on what design features the SW HQ will incorporate to accommodate a future micro-grid, recognizing their expressed interest in being a tenant. At a high level, I know that buildings can be designed in ways that lower the overall cost of interconnecting but I'm not keen on the specifics. 

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On 10/17/2021 at 2:53 PM, Pleco said:

Haha yeah that's me!! I'm working on the 3D view rn. Always bummed by how much detail gets lost when I scale down the drawings for the site. 

 

 

Hey @Pleco !

Now that the Sherwin Williams tower has broken ground, is your contribution to our virtual skyline able to transition from

💭- Proposed to "🏗️- Under construction on the Cleveland Diagram of SkyscraperPages.com?

 

I've publicly whined & complained as much as I thought useful in hopes of prodding for the best possible design, (the big decision makers all looked here first, right?) but now that the design & materials are settled and it's on the way up, I'm pleased and excited over how things will go. 

 

It will be a fun couple of years now traveling to and from Cleveland watching this new tower take it's place.

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In case you don't know there is a cool site on Wikipedia that shows every building from tallest on down for most American cities. At the bottom of each list it also a list of buildings either proposed or under construction. SHW is listed as under construction on the site. Google "building's  tall" and you should find it. It's a fun site and helps to put different cities skyline lined into comparison/contrast.

13 minutes ago, cadmen said:

In case you don't know there is a cool site on Wikipedia that shows every building from tallest on down for most American cities. At the bottom of each list it also a list of buildings either proposed or under construction. SHW is listed as under construction on the site. Google "building's  tall" and you should find it. It's a fun site and helps to put different cities skyline lined into comparison/contrast.

 

Thanks. Interesting list.  Of note, of the long list of tallest bldgs under construction, only one--chase bank in NYC at 63 stories--is in the US. Most of the list (probably 90%) is in China.  Also on that same list, looks like Saudi Arabia is trying to beat Dubai to have the world's tallest bldg with the Jeddah Tower at a full kilometer in height versus the Burj's 829.8 m.

11 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Thanks. Interesting list.  Of note, of the long list of tallest bldgs under construction, only one--chase bank in NYC at 63 stories--is in the US. Most of the list (probably 90%) is in China.  Also on that same list, looks like Saudi Arabia is trying to beat Dubai to have the world's tallest bldg with the Jeddah Tower at a full kilometer in height versus the Burj's 829.8 m.

Others would have more insight but I don't believe work has gone forward on the Jeddah Tower in over four years after reaching about the one third point.

23 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Others would have more insight but I don't believe work has gone forward on the Jeddah Tower in over four years after reaching about the one third point.

 

Sounds like the 100-story ghostly hotel in North Korea that was finally finished but never had a single guest. The hotel of Doom.

 

https://www.insider.com/abandoned-hotel-north-korea-ryugyong-photos-2019-11#the-hotel-reached-its-full-height-in-1992-but-the-inside-was-never-completed-2

On 1/8/2022 at 4:57 PM, ExPatClevGuy said:

Hey @Pleco !

Now that the Sherwin Williams tower has broken ground, is your contribution to our virtual skyline able to transition from

💭- Proposed to "🏗️- Under construction on the Cleveland Diagram of SkyscraperPages.com?

 

I've publicly whined & complained as much as I thought useful in hopes of prodding for the best possible design, (the big decision makers all looked here first, right?) but now that the design & materials are settled and it's on the way up, I'm pleased and excited over how things will go. 

 

It will be a fun couple of years now traveling to and from Cleveland watching this new tower take it's place.

 

oh no no no, you are not done yet! 😂

 

just wait until the facade materials and glass go up.

 

that can make all the difference.

 

meaning on the positive side that is can elevate ok design to something much greater.

 

see one wtc, one vandy and one manhattan west for a few well known examples.

On 1/5/2022 at 1:43 PM, Whipjacka said:

I think they mentioned not having a basement in the commission meetings. when they were explaining that a lot of mechanical stuff would be on ground level

 

 

baaaasement?...baaaaasement tapes?

 

fyi we made sure to go by big pink and hermit of mink hollow studio houses too just to see them last time we were in woodstock.

 

sorry, but yr avatar! 😆

lol I heard you can air bnb big pink

This development has been so quiet. There still has been no mention of groundbreaking and we already know it’s has happened. 

Has any significant caisson work started yet?

^ yeah -- maybe someone can get more pix for us?  looking forward to a construction cam going live.

I think everyone is distracted by the Gateway project lol. We seem to have forgotten about a 600+ ft skyscraper going up

Need one of our forumers with a higher perch to see how far along the caissons are. Here’s two from today. 

Here you go.

 

 

 

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Their working hard and I love it 

I am not in the  construction business - and this might be a stupid question for those that are knowledgeable  -

But i am going to ask this question anyhow.

 

Now every large construction project that i have ever seen has a pit dug out first AND

this is a 38 story project and we are a month into construction and there is no signs of

digging out a pit and everyone is saying that there is NO Basement.

 

They are putting caissons in the ground, so i assume SW is going to build a 38 story building on a platform.

Am i correct? Is this doable ? Is this cost cutting or am i missing something?

27 minutes ago, simplythis said:

I am not in the  construction business - and this might be a stupid question for those that are knowledgeable  -

But i am going to ask this question anyhow.

 

Now every large construction project that i have ever seen has a pit dug out first AND

this is a 38 story project and we are a month into construction and there is no signs of

digging out a pit and everyone is saying that there is NO Basement.

 

They are putting caissons in the ground, so i assume SW is going to build a 38 story building on a platform.

Am i correct? Is this doable ? Is this cost cutting or am i missing something?

Maybe this visual will help. The steel structure will rise from the top of the caissons. 

44 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Maybe this visual will help. The steel structure will rise from the top of the caissons. 

Thank you. Is this new technology or just cost savings as other downtown projects such

as Lumen, Hilton Etc all had basements.

15 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Thank you. Is this new technology or just cost savings as other downtown projects such

as Lumen, Hilton Etc all had basements.

Just one of many ways. I’m sure cost was a factor. It’s always cheaper to build above ground. 

5 hours ago, B767PILOT said:

 

 

yup -- looks like a lorain thew shovel to me -- that'll do! 👍

 

 

5 hours ago, simplythis said:

I am not in the  construction business - and this might be a stupid question for those that are knowledgeable  -

But i am going to ask this question anyhow.

 

Now every large construction project that i have ever seen has a pit dug out first AND

this is a 38 story project and we are a month into construction and there is no signs of

digging out a pit and everyone is saying that there is NO Basement.

 

They are putting caissons in the ground, so i assume SW is going to build a 38 story building on a platform.

Am i correct? Is this doable ? Is this cost cutting or am i missing something?

There was also no pit excavation dug for the Artisian over in UC. Though not sure what method they used over there. 

Yesterday 

6 hours ago, Watertiger1962 said:

Yesterday 

 

I'm so glad they're starting with the Tower first!!!

 

Also, it is strange that it wont have a basement, but that means we'll see the tower rise faster... no waiting for the basement work to be completed before it starts rising above ground :)
 

20 hours ago, simplythis said:

They are putting caissons in the ground, so i assume SW is going to build a 38 story building on a platform.

Am i correct? Is this doable ? Is this cost cutting or am i missing something?

I believe it is 36 stories, unless they decided to add a couple more.

1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I believe it is 36 stories, unless they decided to add a couple more.

This is not as straight forward as it seems.  On page 51 of the Sherwin Williams final design submission, there are 38 levels which includes two mechanical floors.

 

It seems like the newer skyscrapers do not count mechanical floors.  This includes the Lumen, Key Tower, the Hilton, and 200 Public Square among others.  The Lumen is listed at 34 floors, but actually has a party room on the 35th floor.  So, why is this not counted as a floor?

 

Older buildings such as the Erieview Tower and the Federal building count mechanical floors.  The Top of the Town restaurant was on the 38th floor, but the Erieview is counted as having 40 floors which includes the mechanical floors.

 

Why are mechanical floors not counted in the floor count anymore?  When did this change?  Maybe someone (Mayday?) with more insight into skyscraper statistics can shed more light on this.

I believe floors aren't used as a measuring stick anymore because floor heights vary so much across eras. Height is the more established criteria for comparison nowadays, but even that has differences of opinion of what "counts" as a building. Do radio masts on top of buildings count? What about decorative elements like the crown of key tower?

I agree that height is more important.  But, it seems so inconsistent and wrong the way floors are counted these days.

 

I am going with 38 floors for the Sherwin Williams tower.  

8 minutes ago, deanhorn said:

I agree that height is more important.  But, it seems so inconsistent and wrong the way floors are counted these days.

 

I am going with 38 floors for the Sherwin Williams tower.  

Towers have never had a consistent way of measuring number of floors. It's extremely common for the number to be artificially inflated in tall buildings, in many places certain numbers are left out (13 in several western cultures, anything with 4 in China, etc.), certain things are counted in really questionable ways (I've seen tall lobbies counted as several floors to inflate the total), etc. If you start looking, you'll realize the marketing floor count is very rarely in alignment with actual occupiable number of levels.

Cannot wait to see the crane in the sky. I was hoping it would be up by the start of the NBA All Star Game 

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