View from the 20th floor of 55 public Square. Much cleaner view without the old and dirty window tint. 

Crane(s) will be prominent for Browns season! 

boy is that view going to improve

 

Any good estimates on when we see the first steel beams  rising out of the ground? 

Edited April 11, 20223 yr by CleveFan

2 hours ago, Neal435CLE said:

View from the 20th floor of 55 public Square. Much cleaner view without the old and dirty window tint. 

Would love to see some movement of the Rockefeller Rehab in the background!

7 hours ago, YABO713 said:

Crane(s) will be prominent for Browns season! 

Until now, I think the early 90’s was the last time there were at least 3 20+story buildings under construction in Cleveland at the same time, (Artisan, City Club, SW).

Great point - and that was in 90-91 with Cleveland’s greatest high rise construction boom, I believe - Key Tower, Fifth Third and the Downtown Marriott at Key.  And North Point Tower was completed in 1990. 

Edited April 12, 20223 yr by CleveFan

I added red circles into the photograph showing the caisson drilling . So far I count 7 holes

Calendar No. 22-049:1400 West 3 St Ward 3 Kerry McCormack

 

The Sherwin-Williams Company, owner, proposes to erect a 4-story parking structure and surface parking lot in a Limited Retail Business District and an Urban Core Overlay District and a ‘9’ Height District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:

 

1.Section 348.05(d)(2) which states that the maximum setback permitted in Urban Core Overlay District for principal and secondary street frontages is 3 feet where a setback of 4 feet and 7 inches on principal street frontage (West 3rd St.) is proposed; 128 feet 4 inches (83 feet 3 inches granted in BZA21-170) and 119 feet, 9 inches on secondary street frontages are proposed.

2.Section 348.05(d)(5)(B) which states that the liner building or facade along principal and second-ary street frontages, that do not appear as a parking structure, are required.

3.Section 348.05(d)(5)(C) where a secondary street frontage or alley abuts the property, no access is permitted on a principal street frontage where the appellant proposes street access from prin-3 | Pagecipal street frontage (West 3rd). Note: this is an amended adjudication due to City Planning Commission/ Landmarks Commission recommendations. (Filed March 22, 2022

 

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/bza/agenda/2022/crr04-25-2022.pdf

11 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Calendar No. 22-049:1400 West 3 St Ward 3 Kerry McCormack

 

The Sherwin-Williams Company, owner, proposes to erect a 4-story parking structure and surface parking lot in a Limited Retail Business District and an Urban Core Overlay District and a ‘9’ Height District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:

 

1.Section 348.05(d)(2) which states that the maximum setback permitted in Urban Core Overlay District for principal and secondary street frontages is 3 feet where a setback of 4 feet and 7 inches on principal street frontage (West 3rd St.) is proposed; 128 feet 4 inches (83 feet 3 inches granted in BZA21-170) and 119 feet, 9 inches on secondary street frontages are proposed.

2.Section 348.05(d)(5)(B) which states that the liner building or facade along principal and second-ary street frontages, that do not appear as a parking structure, are required.

3.Section 348.05(d)(5)(C) where a secondary street frontage or alley abuts the property, no access is permitted on a principal street frontage where the appellant proposes street access from prin-3 | Pagecipal street frontage (West 3rd). Note: this is an amended adjudication due to City Planning Commission/ Landmarks Commission recommendations. (Filed March 22, 2022

 

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/bza/agenda/2022/crr04-25-2022.pdf

If I recall correctly SHW had already received all the variances it needed for the garage with no trouble (of course...who are we kidding) and then changed the design so they have to go back to BZA again which will just be another walk in the park.

Edited April 19, 20223 yr by Htsguy

From yesterday.

A contribution from Friday…

Per post up thread, 26 caissons total.   Have been working since early December.   Seems like this phase should be wrapping up soon.

10 hours ago, MayDay said:

From yesterday.

No offense Mayday but that is a hideous shot with all the parking craters.

Any updates

18 hours ago, stpats44113 said:

No offense Mayday but that is a hideous shot with all the parking craters.

Why would I take offense? I didn’t put them there 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

@osu4brutus03 That photo was from Saturday so the action is still below street level at this point. Won’t be too much longer before things go vertical.

2 hours ago, MayDay said:

Why would I take offense? I didn’t put them there 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

@osu4brutus03 That photo was from Saturday so the action is still below street level at this point. Won’t be too much longer before things go vertical.

Thank you very much

Once SW starts to pop up out of the ground, anybody have a pretty good guesstimate on how fast we’ll see levels being added? 

While I can't give you a prediction, I do recall that recently constructed high rises downtown added about one floor of steel each week. Anyone else remember the same? Or different? However, those were residential. Office buildings typically have larger floor plates, sometimes by as much as double vs residential towers.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

While I can't give you a prediction, I do recall that recently constructed high rises downtown added about one floor of steel each week. Anyone else remember the same? Or different? However, those were residential. Office buildings typically have larger floor plates, sometimes by as much as double vs residential towers.

Being a steel framed structure, the frame will rise much faster than a concrete structure like Lumen. 

Too lazy to search, but is there a construction cam yet? 

16 minutes ago, GISguy said:

Too lazy to search, but is there a construction cam yet? 

 

No. I hoped to have one put in place. Life intrudes...

45 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Being a steel framed structure, the frame will rise much faster than a concrete structure like Lumen. 

 

 

right. the start and base will take some time.

 

from there it goes steadily with raising the steel while the facade follows behind. thats the fun part for us.

 

then they may top out, but usually appear to stall out for what seems like forever when they get near the roof. its frustrating, but not really true because they are doing interior work like hvac and other mechanicals and need to be able to haul stuff up there.

 

lastly, they finally facade up the crown and as the brits say bob’s your uncle.

Concrete structures can typically flip floors in 4-7 days, but there’s substantial shoring that takes place until the concrete is cured to support the structure above it; That is the schedule killer compared to steel. One thing to look out for is how fast the concrete cores rise, because that is a schedule driver for steel structures. 
 

 

I would imagine a week of framing per floor (assuming the cores get a head start of 7-10 floors), but then there’s detailing and the slab on metal deck. No shoring below, so you’ll start to see exterior wall and interior layout happen much sooner than a concrete building. 

There will a construction cam in Rockefeller once steel begins to rise. Be on the lookout, it's coming soon...

33 minutes ago, zbaris87 said:

There will a construction cam in Rockefeller once steel begins to rise. Be on the lookout, it's coming soon...

 

Awesome, thanks for the heads up.

While we’re waiting on the official construction cam 😉

 

Sherwin-Williams HQ to refine appearance

By Ken Prendergast / May 19, 2022

 

At the end of last week’s Cleveland Landmarks Commission meeting, the commission’s Secretary Donald Petit advised members to keep their schedules clear on June 3 for a special meeting with Sherwin-Williams (SHW) regarding its 616-foot-tall headquarters project in downtown Cleveland. That caught the attention of at least a few attendees.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2022/05/19/sherwin-williams-hq-to-refine-appearance/

 

EDIT: I'll add this from the article, too.....

 

 

 

Looks like they dumbed down the base and replaced the stone with boring gray metal panels.

Heard something about " *thee* N-E-O Transportation Blog" on NPR this afternoon in regards to the Sherwin redesign. Any ideas who this elusive local reporter could be? 🤔

1 hour ago, Mendo said:

Looks like they dumbed down the base and replaced the stone with boring gray metal panels.

Wait, are we supposed to like this annex building now?  I agree that the landscaping details look nice, but the flat gray roof looks crappy in these renderings. 

 

 I'm a bit surprised that SW didn't reach out to me to solicit my opinion.   😉

I was hoping they had decided to add a few more floors to the so-called Welcome Center, but no dice. 

this doesn’t change anything. its still a fortress of solitude and a weak state college campus type structure.

 

i mean they went to the effort to redesign it or clarify it a bit, but would not even add a little indoor/outdoor cafe in the corner? and the setback and grass lawn is just weird. 

 

of course, it still beats what is there now. 😅

I don't think they changed the surface materials of The Welcome Center. It looks more like the landscape architect rendering the building in a grayer tone to highlight the landscaping.   I know the last presentation to the commission had renderings that looked different than the building architects.

 

I feel that some of the pathways in fronting Public Square end abruptly that will cause the same effect that the northern half of Public Square. When the shortest distance across a straight path is interrupted most will walk across the grass that automatically wears a path into it.

 

I always will wish that the SHW Tower was placed on the Jacob's Lot. This would have completed the balance of Public Square.  

 

Edited May 20, 20223 yr by dave2017

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

this doesn’t change anything. its still a fortress of solitude and a weak state college campus type structure.

 

i mean they went to the effort to redesign it or clarify it a bit, but would not even add a little indoor/outdoor cafe in the corner? and the setback and grass lawn is just weird. 

 

of course, it still beats what is there now. 😅

 

It's tremendously unimaginative, weird and an entire universe of missed opportunities. But heck, like you said it beats what's there now. Let's fill this awful parking lot and hope for better & more creative developments down the line. 

5 floors high would be ideal, but I’d settle for 4

I’m just excited about this whole development. Some of you are just so opinionated and unpleasing. Just shut up and be happy. 

It's bad urban form and we are on an urban forum. What do you expect from us 🙃 

1 hour ago, osu4brutus03 said:

I’m just excited about this whole development. Some of you are just so opinionated and unpleasing. Just shut up and be happy. 

 

we can be excited but also voice our opinions. IMO when you read comments here pointing out some negatives I wouldn't read it as "here's some things I dislike about this project which means I'm against this project totally." I think it's safe to say we, as development fans, love this project but that does not save it from criticism. You don't have to be 100% for or against something always.

4 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

 

we can be excited but also voice our opinions. IMO when you read comments here pointing out some negatives I wouldn't read it as "here's some things I dislike about this project which means I'm against this project totally." I think it's safe to say we, as development fans, love this project but that does not save it from criticism. You don't have to be 100% for or against something always.

This is America in 2022. You ABSOLUTELY have to be for or against something! 🤣 Lol. 

My main hope is they plant tall trees. It seems like urban landscaping tends to focus on little dwarf and semi dwarf trees. But we are the forest city. There's no power lines nearby and the area in front of the welcome center seems pretty open. Absolutely no excuse not to plant oaks/sycamore/sugar maples, etc.

I’m just excited about this whole development. Some of you are just so opinionated and unpleasing. Just shut up and be happy. 

This mindset leads to bad design continuously being accepted. Imagine if people on the planning commission had this mindset for other projects we’ve seen with bad design such as Geis’ project in duck island. We’d be one ugly looking city.


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1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

This mindset leads to bad design continuously being accepted. Imagine if people on the planning commission had this mindset for other projects we’ve seen with bad design such as Geis’ project in duck island. We’d be one ugly looking city.


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If the choice is an ugly city with lots or people or a pretty city that's empty I'll take ugly every time.

53 minutes ago, dastler said:

If the choice is an ugly city with lots or people or a pretty city that's empty I'll take ugly every time.

Ya. I mean think of the "beautiful" planned cities like we see on the Arabian peninsula, where there's a ton of sexy buildings but the vacancy rate is like 50 percent. That's a great example. 

On 5/20/2022 at 5:10 PM, dastler said:

If the choice is an ugly city with lots or people or a pretty city that's empty I'll take ugly every time.

 

 

How nice for us that such binary choices aren’t the ones Cleveland has to make.

‘Strange options, if you ask me. Cleveland is already a beautiful city, and much of it is built to the very highest aesthetic standards.  
Folks weren’t heading for the exits over the past decades in response to Cleveland being a beautiful place.  

Edited May 22, 20223 yr by ExPatClevGuy

19 hours ago, KFM44107 said:

Ya. I mean think of the "beautiful" planned cities like we see on the Arabian peninsula, where there's a ton of sexy buildings but the vacancy rate is like 50 percent. That's a great example. 

Or the Daniel Burnham designed Cleveland Group Plan. Beautiful planning and buildings, but very few people to be seen around there. 

 

Not saying we should just let anything be built either, just saying...

I just hope I live long enough to see the welcome center get demolished and replaced with something that doesn't have a front lawn.  

yeah — looking at the renders again, another funny thing that pops right out is literally 1/3 of the block is freakin grass.

 

and that is not just any plot of land, its the jacobs property, thee best prime block in the city.

 

smh.

^ That's a real head scratcher. Couldn't they have put the "welcome center" on top of the parking garage? Then they could have sold the Jacobs lot. An upscale hotel on that site would have been perfect. For a company as frugal as SHW to put such an underwhelming structure on one of the most expensive sites in Cleveland and only utilize 2/3 of the site just doesn't make sense. 

 

Edited May 22, 20223 yr by LibertyBlvd