November 8, 20231 yr These are the last two full-height floors that span the full width of the building. It appears that the very top one has a taller ceiling height than those below. Presumably this will be where the CEO and leadership team have offices. After these floors are done, the sloping framework should start to appear, giving the building its signature silhouette on the skyline.
November 8, 20231 yr 41 minutes ago, JohnSummit said: These are the last two full-height floors that span the full width of the building. It appears that the very top one has a taller ceiling height than those below. Presumably this will be where the CEO and leadership team have offices. After these floors are done, the sloping framework should start to appear, giving the building its signature silhouette on the skyline. Silhouette that shall be known as the dueling paint brushes
November 8, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSummit said: These are the last two full-height floors that span the full width of the building. It appears that the very top one has a taller ceiling height than those below. Presumably this will be where the CEO and leadership team have offices. After these floors are done, the sloping framework should start to appear, giving the building its signature silhouette on the skyline. Can't let your execs have the same ceiling heights as all the peasants below!! Gotta make extra headroom for all that ego 😉 I kid I kid 🤣
November 8, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Silhouette that shall be known as the dueling paint brushes A “cut” above.
November 8, 20231 yr If they leave the exterior plywood elevator shaft it will look even more like the paintbrush handle! lol Edited November 8, 20231 yr by dave2017
November 9, 20231 yr I’ve enjoyed watching SW rise above Post Office Plaza. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
November 10, 20231 yr Author Yeah, this probably qualifies as one. Duck! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 20231 yr Sherwin decided to throw in 3 more shacks on the rest of the property since we all loved the first one so much???
November 10, 20231 yr 55 minutes ago, KJP said: Yeah, this probably qualifies as one. Duck! Here's to hoping there's news on the Horizon for either the Phase II or development surrounding the HQ :)
November 10, 20231 yr Phase II news would be great, but i doubt it given the troubles with financing these days.
November 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said: Adding 10 more floors? If they were to add 10 floors that would indicate that phase 2, under no circumstances, is happening. So let’s not hope for that!
November 10, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, bwheats said: If they were to add 10 floors that would indicate that phase 2, under no circumstances, is happening. So let’s not hope for that! Then something else could go on that site. Perhaps a 5 star hotel.
November 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said: Adding 10 more floors? 5 minutes ago, bwheats said: If they were to add 10 floors that would indicate that phase 2, under no circumstances, is happening. So let’s not hope for that! 3 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Then something else could go on that site. Perhaps a 5 star hotel.
November 10, 20231 yr Author Sherwin-Williams may advance 2nd tower in 2024 By Ken Prendergast / November 10, 2023 One year from now, as Sherwin-Williams employees are scheduled to begin moving into their new, 616-foot headquarters tower in Downtown Cleveland, there are renewed rumblings that the global coatings giant will pursue the development of the west half of its HQ site. The HQ site is west of Public Square and the west half of the HQ site is along West 6th Street, between Superior and St. Clair avenues. That’s where Sherwin-Williams has proposed a new office tower and a row of low-rise, mixed use buildings extending around the corner of St. Clair to partially wrap its five-level, 920-space parking garage. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/11/10/sherwin-williams-may-advance-2nd-tower-in-2024/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, KJP said: Sherwin-Williams may advance 2nd tower in 2024 By Ken Prendergast / November 10, 2023 One year from now, as Sherwin-Williams employees are scheduled to begin moving into their new, 616-foot headquarters tower in Downtown Cleveland, there are renewed rumblings that the global coatings giant will pursue the development of the west half of its HQ site. The HQ site is west of Public Square and the west half of the HQ site is along West 6th Street, between Superior and St. Clair avenues. That’s where Sherwin-Williams has proposed a new office tower and a row of low-rise, mixed use buildings extending around the corner of St. Clair to partially wrap its five-level, 920-space parking garage. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/11/10/sherwin-williams-may-advance-2nd-tower-in-2024/ That is mostly definitely a bomb drop!!!! Nicely done and thanks for making my Friday
November 10, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, KJP said: Sherwin-Williams may advance 2nd tower in 2024 By Ken Prendergast / November 10, 2023 One year from now, as Sherwin-Williams employees are scheduled to begin moving into their new, 616-foot headquarters tower in Downtown Cleveland, there are renewed rumblings that the global coatings giant will pursue the development of the west half of its HQ site. The HQ site is west of Public Square and the west half of the HQ site is along West 6th Street, between Superior and St. Clair avenues. That’s where Sherwin-Williams has proposed a new office tower and a row of low-rise, mixed use buildings extending around the corner of St. Clair to partially wrap its five-level, 920-space parking garage. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/11/10/sherwin-williams-may-advance-2nd-tower-in-2024/ Guess I have to eat my hat. Thanks, @KJP! After reading this I have to wonder if the stuff about Minneapolis being HQ2 was just lip service. Moving those employees to HQ2 makes the most sense.
November 10, 20231 yr Great news all around. And just for tower lovers - even at the low end of the possible range described in @KJP's story , 15 stories, you'd get something at least as tall as City Club - and at the higher range of 20 stories - something along the lines of the Beacon - assuming at least 15 feet per story. So, in other words, a tower of some substance that would further balance the west end of the downtown skyline. I realize the human capital and investment into downtown is the main point - but just from an aesthetic standpoint - I think it would be a very good look for that part of town. Build it SW!! Edited November 10, 20231 yr by CleveFan
November 10, 20231 yr Well that's a nice little pick me up. While l'm glad the actual existence of a phase two looks to be more imminent than previously expected l'm also very curious to see what the rest of the footprint on St. Clair will look like. A block long building of, say 5-6 stories wouldn't be more office space. Would it? After all if they needed more office space they could just add some floors to the second phase. So residential? That doesn't sound like SHW does it? Maybe a boutique hotel then with a little space for retail/restaurant/bar. I really don't know what they will use it for but it sure will be fun to see what develops.
November 10, 20231 yr 34 minutes ago, CleveFan said: Great news all around. And just for tower lovers - even at the low end of the possible range described in @KJP's story , 15 stories, you'd get something at least as tall as City Club - and at the higher range of 20 stories - something along the lines of the Beacon - assuming at least 15 feet per story. So, in other words, a tower of some substance that would further balance the west end of the downtown skyline. I realize the human capital and investment into downtown is the main point - but just from an aesthetic standpoint - I think it would be a very good look for that part of town. Build it SW!! I agree. I'd be happy with something that approximately matched the Rockefeller Bldg. That would make a nice corner. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
November 10, 20231 yr 44 minutes ago, cadmen said: Well that's a nice little pick me up. While l'm glad the actual existence of a phase two looks to be more imminent than previously expected l'm also very curious to see what the rest of the footprint on St. Clair will look like. A block long building of, say 5-6 stories wouldn't be more office space. Would it? After all if they needed more office space they could just add some floors to the second phase. So residential? That doesn't sound like SHW does it? Maybe a boutique hotel then with a little space for retail/restaurant/bar. I really don't know what they will use it for but it sure will be fun to see what develops. Hopefully it will look like the Weston's Warehouse District proposal of a few years ago.
November 10, 20231 yr This image popped up in a sponsored post for Marriott on IG a while ago and I took a screen shot thinking something like this would be perfect for the development around SW HQ. It would be nice to see a hotel go in around the warehouse district.
November 10, 20231 yr I wonder if HQ2 will need its own structured parking, or if the 920 space phase 1 garage was sized to accommodate both. Obviously if HQ2 needs its own parking, it might call for a taller building if the parking has to be underneath the offices. In that massing, HQ2 appears to be at least 20 stories, given the notch on phase 1 is at levels 14 and 15.
November 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, CleveFan said: Great news all around. And just for tower lovers - even at the low end of the possible range described in @KJP's story , 15 stories, you'd get something at least as tall as City Club - and at the higher range of 20 stories - something along the lines of the Beacon - assuming at least 15 feet per story. So, in other words, a tower of some substance that would further balance the west end of the downtown skyline. I realize the human capital and investment into downtown is the main point - but just from an aesthetic standpoint - I think it would be a very good look for that part of town. Build it SW!! Too late for one of the recurring debates in urban development: do you want a 616' building and an adjoining 250' one, or do you want the 866' one? I'm firmly in the latter camp, which is Cleveland's traditional approach. I know others here are the opposite.
November 10, 20231 yr I think it's more. there is a 16 acre development site and 1.5 million Square feet of offices to be built. would you rather a 2 acres developed- surrounded by 14 acres of surface parking and fencing or would you rather spread it out with multiple buildings that face the street
November 10, 20231 yr Author An old source chimed in with new SHW employment data. Article updated. If this is correct, they're building HQ2 ASAP. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 20231 yr 19 hours ago, E Rocc said: Too late for one of the recurring debates in urban development: do you want a 616' building and an adjoining 250' one, or do you want the 866' one? I'm firmly in the latter camp, which is Cleveland's traditional approach. I know others here are the opposite. I would have preferred one taller building. The skyline looks a bit odd with Key Tower dwarfing all the other buildings. Having another tower of similar height would have given Key a companion and would have given the skyline some symmetry. Buildings of 50+ stories are quite common now. Toronto has dozens of them. Yeah, I know Cleveland is no Toronto but geez can't we just get one more? Edited November 11, 20231 yr by LibertyBlvd
November 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, ASPhotoman said: This image popped up in a sponsored post for Marriott on IG a while ago and I took a screen shot thinking something like this would be perfect for the development around SW HQ. It would be nice to see a hotel go in around the warehouse district. I had sent this development image to the developers of Bridgeworks as what their development should aspire to be!
November 10, 20231 yr 17 minutes ago, dave2017 said: I had sent this development image to the developers of Bridgeworks as what their development should aspire to be! That top floor would be a wonderful solution for Bridgeworks
November 10, 20231 yr Too late for one of the recurring debates in urban development: do you want a 616' building and an adjoining 250' one, or do you want the 866' one? I'm firmly in the latter camp, which is Cleveland's traditional approach. I know others here are the opposite.I think it's relative to the neighborhood. In the WHD I'd prefer the former since that neighborhood has so many low-rise historical buildings. Also mid-rise buildings tend to fill-in the skyline well, giving that dense feel. Look at Cincinnati, they have one of the densest skylines especially versus Cleveland who has 4 out of the 5 tallest buildings in Ohio. Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk
November 10, 20231 yr This image popped up in a sponsored post for Marriott on IG a while ago and I took a screen shot thinking something like this would be perfect for the development around SW HQ. It would be nice to see a hotel go in around the warehouse district. My lord why is that area so dead lolSent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk
November 10, 20231 yr Author If I had that employment data before I wrote the article, I would have probably written it very differently. Not only does the data scream for a new tower, but it also screams for the development of the perimeter of the parking garage with almost exclusively offices over retail/restaurants. It will also put a lot of pressure on Welty to sell the Gilman to SHW who will want to demolish it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, KJP said: If I had that employment data before I wrote the article, I would have probably written it very differently. Not only does the data scream for a new tower, but it also screams for the development of the perimeter of the parking garage with almost exclusively offices over retail/restaurants. It will also put a lot of pressure on Welty to sell the Gilman to SHW who will want to demolish it. Does that Cleveland headquarter figure include the people in the research building along the river who will be moving to Brecksville?
November 10, 20231 yr So they actually accidentally under built their tower? If the second building was only supposed to support their partners and not their main staff they made a mistake then?
November 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: An old source chimed in with new SHW employment data. Article updated. If this is correct, they're building HQ2 ASAP. Wow Ken. Now THIS is a bomb! Incredible news for the city.
November 10, 20231 yr Guess City Club is gonna have to build their second Cleveland apartment building downtown as opposed to UC to accommodate all these employees 😝.
November 10, 20231 yr Author 22 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Does that Cleveland headquarter figure include the people in the research building along the river who will be moving to Brecksville? Checking.... 2 minutes ago, JohnSummit said: What does “Higbee” refer to? Higbee Building. More info is in the article. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 10, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, Dougal said: I agree. I'd be happy with something that approximately matched the Rockefeller Bldg. That would make a nice corner. If I had any skin in the game, I'd prefer a building that is about 20-25 stories, maybe 25% taller than Rockefeller. Would help the skyline kind of step down from the taller buildings on public square and allow Key Tower to serve as the central focal point with the shorter buildings tapering down to the east and west.
November 11, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: If I had any skin in the game, I'd prefer a building that is about 20-25 stories, maybe 25% taller than Rockefeller. Would help the skyline kind of step down from the taller buildings on public square and allow Key Tower to serve as the central focal point with the shorter buildings tapering down to the east and west. If the massing in KJP's article is accurate, then it will be taller than the 55 building. So, your hopes would come true. It looks like from the massing that it would be somewhere between 325 and 350 feet. And I agree with your assessment of the skyline tapering down as it goes West. Based on the employment data that KJP provided, it would support a building of this size.
November 11, 20231 yr Author 2 hours ago, Htsguy said: Does that Cleveland headquarter figure include the people in the research building along the river who will be moving to Brecksville? @Htsguy Source says that doesn’t include Breen’s employee count, which is an additional 330. Furthermore, it sounds like there are about 310 employees included in the 3,800 that don’t physically work in the building. They’re tied to the HQ count but work completely remote (training? sales? quality control?) across the US. So it’s more like 3,500 for those actually located in Cleveland. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 11, 20231 yr This is such great news. We’ve got all our obsolete office space getting gobbled up for unending residential demand. We’ve got the county searching for 1 million square feet for a new courthouse, and now we’ve got a downtown employer with an unquenchable need for new office space, in a world where every city’s offices are emptying out. The future is bright here. We’re gonna need a whole lot of new housing, like now.
November 11, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Ineffable_Matt said: Guess City Club is gonna have to build their second Cleveland apartment building downtown as opposed to UC to accommodate all these employees 😝. How about one in the UC and one downtown. They could fill them both tomorrow.
November 11, 20231 yr A little chilly but loving the lighting this time of year. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
November 11, 20231 yr 18 hours ago, X said: Did we miss a payment on our billboard? I think all of us “legacy” urban Ohioans, think alike. Exactly what I thought when I saw the picture before reading this post.
November 12, 20231 yr 22 hours ago, Florida Guy said: I think all of us “legacy” urban Ohioans, think alike. Exactly what I thought when I saw the picture before reading this post. Hey now, as one of the founders of this forum - I’ve been posting photos and editing billboards for almost 20 years here. That said, if you folks actually noticed and enjoyed that, I’ll step it up 👍 clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
November 12, 20231 yr On 11/10/2023 at 4:37 PM, LibertyBlvd said: Yeah, I know Cleveland is no Toronto but geez can't we just get one more? But why can’t it be? Think big! Edited November 12, 20231 yr by Growth Mindset Quote not pasted
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