February 6, 20241 yr So not only would my husband not come to a stop on the innerbelt during rush hour, he wouldn’t even sideswipe the white SUV so I could get a better pic! 🙄😂 clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 6, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, cadmen said: @chrino21is absolutely correct. The best way to connect the old Wharehouse District with the modern headquarters is with a transitional design and materials that merge the two. It wouldn't be difficult or expensive either. All it would take is an esthetic that is sensitive to the properties. Fingers crossed. Let’s dust off the WHD Doubletree plans. Plop this down on the corner of West 6th & St. Clair. Fill in with 5-6 floor structures between it and HQ2.
February 6, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Ethan said: Yeah, I'm not sure where the $1,000/month housing allowance is coming from, but even for a large company that's a good bit of money on a per employee basis. It's also at least 3x more expensive than just paying for parking downtown. Probably more like 4, 5, or even 6 times more expensive when you account for leasing in bulk. That's not even considering that it's 10x more than a monthly RTA pass. I'm fairly confident that Sherwin Williams would look at either of those two options long before they consider housing allowances. The $1,000 was pulled out of thin air because it is similar to what we do. Make it $500 or $250 or $3,000 for the sake of the hypothesis. I’m a small business owner (less than $50M per year in revenues) and we give many of our employees as high as a $1200/month car allowance in one of our “US based” countries while a similar amount but adjusted to their currency, in the other countries we operate in. We also give them a cell phone allowance. They are great recruiting tools! As to Dino’s point that it is $35K per spot, good point, so, make the allowance $500/month and make it last only 6 years…as to the $35K per spot…could be, but that tower is already costing about twice(?) as much as it originally was budgeted at, so could new parking spots cost $70K? I’m not saying it will, but it is less likely that it will come in at $35K either. Anyway, my point is to offer solutions that are more enticing than having to build more and more parking spots. We don’t need more parking garage structures and we don’t want these people driving in and parking in other places…we want them living in or near downtown. In addition, based on my experience, I know that a substantial allowance like that is a great recruiting tool because it has many many many other “soft” benefits that you can’t get by giving them an RTA card or paying for parking somewhere else. BTW, $12M/year ($1,000/month for 1,000 employees) is a literal pittance for a company that makes Billions in profit every year. It is literal petty cash for them, but a great and I mean GREAT incentive to their current employees and to attract amazing new employees…plus tax “benefits” to the company itself…If I was an HR person I would be asking for approval for this on a yearly basis until it was granted. Edited February 6, 20241 yr by ragarcia
February 6, 20241 yr 56 minutes ago, ragarcia said: The $1,000 was pulled out of thin air because it is similar to what we do. Make it $500 or $250 or $3,000 for the sake of the hypothesis. I’m a small business owner (less than $50M per year in revenues) and we give many of our employees as high as a $1200/month car allowance in one of our “US based” countries while a similar amount but adjusted to their currency, in the other countries we operate in. We also give them a cell phone allowance. They are great recruiting tools! As to Dino’s point that it is $35K per spot, good point, so, make the allowance $500/month and make it last only 6 years…as to the $35K per spot…could be, but that tower is already costing about twice(?) as much as it originally was budgeted at, so could new parking spots cost $70K? I’m not saying it will, but it is less likely that it will come in at $35K either. Anyway, my point is to offer solutions that are more enticing than having to build more and more parking spots. We don’t need more parking garage structures and we don’t want these people driving in and parking in other places…we want them living in or near downtown. In addition, based on my experience, I know that a substantial allowance like that is a great recruiting tool because it has many many many other “soft” benefits that you can’t get by giving them an RTA card or paying for parking somewhere else. BTW, $12M/year ($1,000/month for 1,000 employees) is a literal pittance for a company that makes Billions in profit every year. It is literal petty cash for them, but a great and I mean GREAT incentive to their current employees and to attract amazing new employees…plus tax “benefits” to the company itself…If I was an HR person I would be asking for approval for this on a yearly basis until it was granted. Unfortunately businesses - especially publicly traded ones - are notoriously short sighted, looking only at maximizing profits in the months ahead.
February 7, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, OldEnough said: Are we starting to think the pattern in the windows is permanent? No.
February 7, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, OldEnough said: Unfortunately businesses - especially publicly traded ones - are notoriously short sighted, looking only at maximizing profits in the months ahead. Totally agree, some unscrupulous accountant will balk at even a rounding error like $12M. Hopefully when put into the context of having to build and build and build parking, someone will instead come to the realization that incentives would yield more desirable outcomes.
February 7, 20241 yr On 2/2/2024 at 11:36 AM, GREGinPARMA said: Sure looks familiar!! I love how they angled it like what was talked about upthread for HQ2 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I’m in Houston right now and my hotel is right next to this building. It’s a nice one. It definitely has SW vibes.
February 7, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Pleco said: I know I keep posting these screen grabs but it looked so nice this morning will be a great angle for tower #2
February 7, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, jeremyck01 said: I’m in Houston right now and my hotel is right next to this building. It’s a nice one. It definitely has SW vibes. I assume SHW will be doing similar lighting on top.
February 7, 20241 yr Checked on the progress of the bulkheads today (posted same pics in that thread too) at lunch and some nice views of shw can be had from down there: Edited February 8, 20241 yr by GISguy
February 7, 20241 yr 23 hours ago, MayDay said: So not only would my husband not come to a stop on the innerbelt during rush hour, he wouldn’t even sideswipe the white SUV so I could get a better pic! 🙄😂 That reflection effect is sweet. Some of Minneapolis's downtown skyscrapers do that with Foshay.
February 8, 20241 yr Love this shot from Michael Collier, but my heart breaks a little every time I think of the Eagle Ave lift bridge's impending murder https://www.instagram.com/p/C3BqVOmJebU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
February 8, 20241 yr Flats views from this afternoon. What a dramatic prescience in the skyline! Edited February 8, 20241 yr by ArtMasterCLE
February 8, 20241 yr While I have yet to capture a picture, the skyline view of downtown from the corner of Larchmere and Woodland is possibly my most favorite one. Somehow from that view, with the SW tower filling in a major gap, this new tower looks larger and more impactful than any other perspective I've seen.
February 9, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, scg80 said: While I have yet to capture a picture, the skyline view of downtown from the corner of Larchmere and Woodland is possibly my most favorite one. Somehow from that view, with the SW tower filling in a major gap, this new tower looks larger and more impactful than any other perspective I've seen. Agreed, @scg80. Every time I see that view it instantly takes my breath away. Since I don’t live in Shaker any longer I don’t get to see it very often. If you ever have a chance, please, please shoot a quick pic for the rest of us.
February 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, scg80 said: While I have yet to capture a picture, the skyline view of downtown from the corner of Larchmere and Woodland is possibly my most favorite one. Somehow from that view, with the SW tower filling in a major gap, this new tower looks larger and more impactful than any other perspective I've seen. Closer and not quite the same angle but the view from community college/e30 looks great, especially at night. My cell wouldn't do it justice and I'm too lazy to travel w the good camera and tripod haha Edited February 9, 20241 yr by GISguy
February 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, GISguy said: ICU SHW @GISguy, You got a great two-for-one pic of SHW and City Club Apartments.
February 10, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, GISguy said: ICU SHW What a mesh of architectural styles going on in this photo. Very well done!👍 Edited February 10, 20241 yr by Florida Guy
February 10, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Silent Matt said: Approximately 1 hour ago. Great pics, @Silent Matt You've been giving us a lot of cool shots! I selected just a few from your post today (2/9) just to offer an opinion I think your pics show- that being: A tower built above the parking garage would've been a great place for SWHQ2 - especially if it does rise as high as 500' as might be possible. It would've left that view from the west "open" for HQ1 and would've added even more of a presence around Public Square. I know it's wishful thinking, but it might've been even more impactful at that location. (Don't get me wrong - a new significant tower between HQ1 and Rockefeller Building will still be very sweet!) The other thing I'm thinking is that HQ1, as a building, is really growing on me. I liked it from the start - but I'm really growing to love it with time. I think it turned out to actually be a perfect height too - as it's bulk almost requires it to be a bit shorter than the Terminal Tower from an aesthetic standpoint. Bottom line is we're fortunate to have a big company like SW investing in the city and changing the optics (and the skyline) for Cleveland. Just my two cents.
February 10, 20241 yr Well said, @CleveFan. I believe many who have seen the building take shape feel as you do. In my opinion, the reason the actual building is appreciated so much more is that the architects did not do a very good job of presenting renderings that show views of the tower that accentuate the true personality of the design. For instance, now that you see the crown taking shape you can fully appreciate the angles of the two peaks and the interplay between them. The extreme angle of the East elevation directs the eye directly to Terminal Tower in homage to the elder statesman. The many photos we’ve seen of the cut-outs on the Northwest and Southeast corners are so much more interesting when viewed from pedestrian level as you can now understand their aesthetic and contextual importance. Up next, when the crown is completed and the vertical lighting elements applied to it along with the programmable lighting strip traveling the full length of the tower- this will take it to a whole other level of impact. The architects could have done a much better job of selling the unique features of this tower. Just my artistic opinion.
February 10, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, ArtMasterCLE said: Up next, when the crown is completed and the vertical lighting elements applied to it along with the programmable lighting strip traveling the full length of the tower- this will take it to a whole other level of impact. The architects could have done a much better job of selling the unique features of this tower. Just my artistic opinion. Also, well said @ArtMasterCLE Hopefully those include fog lights, evidently. 🥁 In a serious vein, have the architects released any information on lighting precautions during bird migrations?
February 11, 20241 yr Sceeenshots from cool new Instagram reels by JonesDronescl. Edited February 11, 20241 yr by CleveFan
February 11, 20241 yr Is what appears to be an open area facing north on the 36th floor going to be an outdoor balcony?
February 11, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: Is what appears to be an open area facing north on the 36th floor going to be an outdoor balcony? Yes. The executives party terrace.
February 11, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: Is what appears to be an open area facing north on the 36th floor going to be an outdoor balcony?
February 11, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, marty15 said: Yes. The executives party terrace. I wonder if, when they look out at the view, with their martini's in hand, that they will feel inadequate? Knowing they are the shortest of the big 4...and wishing they had built taller?
February 11, 20241 yr A few photos from the Terminal Tower observation deck (I'll be posting a full set in City Photos, but cross-posting here). Any of our renderings ninja-rockstars want to use these to mock up HQ2 and maybe something over the parking entrance adjacent to the Renaissance, have at it with my blessing. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 12, 20241 yr On 2/11/2024 at 10:34 AM, urb-a-saurus said: Is what appears to be an open area facing north on the 36th floor going to be an outdoor balcony? UO Sky Lounge.
February 12, 20241 yr Lovin the skyline more than ever with SW in it! And hopefully, another substantial tower to the west of HQ1 coming soon! Courtesy JonesDrones on IG Reels.
February 14, 20241 yr On 2/11/2024 at 10:03 AM, CleveFan said: Sceeenshots from cool new Instagram reels by JonesDronescl. So strange how the BP building looks so much taller the SHW. Even though it is only 50ish feet taller. Is the land the SHW is built on at a lower elevation than the east part of public square?
February 14, 20241 yr According to this topographical map, yes the land the BP building sits on is roughly 727' and SW sits on land that is 649'. That could explain the height difference you're talking about.
February 14, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, 8MPG said: It’s all about perspective. From the westside SHW appears taller to me despite being shorter. This shot is from near the Lorain Carnegie bridge along the towpath trail. Along this stretch you get great reflections of terminal tower too!
February 15, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, JuddM said: According to this topographical map, yes the land the BP building sits on is roughly 727' and SW sits on land that is 649'. That could explain the height difference you're talking about. There's a 0% chance there's that much elevation difference here. This is picking up things like building heights, if a site sits lower than its surrounding street (which would be where building height is measured from), etc. to skew information as this isn't utilizing actual surveyed information to build these maps. If you place the marker on the streets directly adjacent, you get ~660' at both, which is accurate to reality. There might be ~5-10' of elevation difference, but it's extremely flat in this location, and most definitely nowhere near 78' of elevation difference. Edited February 15, 20241 yr by jmicha
February 15, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, jmicha said: There's a 0% chance there's that much elevation difference here. This is picking up things like building heights, if a site sits lower than its surrounding street (which would be where building height is measured from), etc. to skew information as this isn't utilizing actual surveyed information to build these maps. If you place the marker on the streets directly adjacent, you get ~660' at both, which is accurate to reality. There might be ~5-10' of elevation difference, but it's extremely flat in this location, and most definitely nowhere near 78' of elevation difference. Maybe not 78’ but keep in mind the difference in the Euclid/Superior entrances to both the Arcade and 200 Public Square. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 16, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, jmicha said: There's a 0% chance there's that much elevation difference here. This is picking up things like building heights, if a site sits lower than its surrounding street (which would be where building height is measured from), etc. to skew information as this isn't utilizing actual surveyed information to build these maps. If you place the marker on the streets directly adjacent, you get ~660' at both, which is accurate to reality. There might be ~5-10' of elevation difference, but it's extremely flat in this location, and most definitely nowhere near 78' of elevation difference. Using the FAA VFR chart for Cleveland, there is only about 67' in elevation difference between the field at Burke Lakefront and the base of Key Tower. So I think you're estimate of 5-10' is definitely more accurate.
February 16, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, Paul in Cleveland said: From the 26th floor of 1111 Superior today ... looking super cool! Great photo, @Paul in Cleveland! With all of the excellent photos we’ve seen from various vantage points around the city, it’s hard to find one that is fresh. Good on ya!
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