April 18, 20241 yr 56 minutes ago, mrnyc said: phase two baby whats poppin? come on now sw give us the 411. 😂 lol getting antsy for more rumors
April 18, 20241 yr People let's not forget Sherwin Williams has ANOTHER HQ going up in Cleveland. Current progress on the Sherwin Williams Corporate Aviation HQ at CLE. 😜 (sorry for the poor pic quality through my windshield!)
April 19, 20241 yr Author Sherwin-Williams: already outgrown its new HQ By Ken Prendergast / April 19, 2024 With the completion of Sherwin-Williams’ new Downtown Cleveland headquarters tower delayed well into next year, the global coatings giant has a some extra time to consider its options on how to handle various aspects of its unanticipated growth. Since the company has already outgrown its new HQ before it is finished, that means weighing a second HQ tower, expanding remote work, as well as addressing parking and commuting options. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/04/19/sherwin-williams-already-outgrown-its-new-hq/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 19, 20241 yr Build a second tower with more height and lease unused floors/space to partners unitl the company needs them due to future growth. Dont make the same mistake twice!
April 19, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, KJP said: Sherwin-Williams: already outgrown its new HQ By Ken Prendergast / April 19, 2024 With the completion of Sherwin-Williams’ new Downtown Cleveland headquarters tower delayed well into next year, the global coatings giant has a some extra time to consider its options on how to handle various aspects of its unanticipated growth. Since the company has already outgrown its new HQ before it is finished, that means weighing a second HQ tower, expanding remote work, as well as addressing parking and commuting options. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/04/19/sherwin-williams-already-outgrown-its-new-hq/ Great read and nice rendering @Geowizical!
April 19, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, dski44 said: Build a second tower with more height and lease unused floors/space to partners unitl the company needs them due to future growth. Dont make the same mistake twice! Yeah, 900' would be nice.
April 19, 20241 yr Can Sherwin Williams extend their lease at the Landmark building? Operating out of both buildings would solve their problem, at least in the short term. Allow them time to get a new building built, and possibly even wait out interest rates if they decide to do that.
April 19, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, Ethan said: Can Sherwin Williams extend their lease at the Landmark building? Operating out of both buildings would solve their problem, at least in the short term. Allow them time to get a new building built, and possibly even wait out interest rates if they decide to do that. Yes. I noted in the article that their deed transfer gives them tenant rights. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 19, 20241 yr Man can you imagine Phase ll actually being taller than the first building? And it could happen if all of the potential components (new staff, hotel, parking and SHW suppliers) all took up space in the building. Sure, l know it's unlikely to happen but a guy can dream, can't he?
April 19, 20241 yr lol, everyone who reviewed the plan told them they didn't have enough parking. and shw claimed they not only had enough parking, but that garage would provide enough parking for phase 2.
April 19, 20241 yr Jeez, to be stuck with a medium-sized office building while growing quickly doesn't seem to be a great place to be at the moment. Maybe they sell the whole thing to Progressive, Cleveland Cliffs, or The Clinic, and just start over.
April 20, 20241 yr Pleco, it's not the camera; it's the photographer. 🙂 Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 20, 20241 yr SHW's underestimating it workforce growth and space needs. The good news is that Cleveland will see more buildings
April 20, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, cadmen said: Man can you imagine Phase ll actually being taller than the first building? And it could happen if all of the potential components (new staff, hotel, parking and SHW suppliers) all took up space in the building. Sure, l know it's unlikely to happen but a guy can dream, can't he? Happened in Philly, though not necessarily because the Comcast didn't build big enough the first time: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast_Technology_Center
April 20, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, cadmen said: Man can you imagine Phase ll actually being taller than the first building? And it could happen if all of the potential components (new staff, hotel, parking and SHW suppliers) all took up space in the building. Sure, l know it's unlikely to happen but a guy can dream, can't he? Could there be a collaboration with a national hotel brand in a mixed use project for HQ2 that provides parking, office space and a hotel that becomes our "skyline changing" new hotel. 21C is an interesting hotel brand that might be interested
April 20, 20241 yr That view of downtown is my favorite one of the city. Too bad there's no way to access it for a longer look except from a moving car.
April 20, 20241 yr A few somewhat recent pics. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 21, 20241 yr I can't wait to see this thing lit up at night. It's going to make a statement and really add to the skyline.
April 22, 20241 yr Can’t get enough! SW fits in so well- just looks like it was always there - but we all know how long we waited! And I sure hope this view has some more major buildings in it along that Bedrock riverfront in the not distant future!) The lights across the river are getting denser - love that! Edited April 22, 20241 yr by CleveFan
April 22, 20241 yr ^ I mean...makes sense to me. I got a lot of paint cans in MY basement, l imagine SHW has quite a few themselves.
April 22, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, marty15 said: It blows my mind that this floor will be used for storage. That is the 37th floor and the 38th floor is mechanic, correct?
April 22, 20241 yr Awesome photos, @Pleco ! SHW has really changed the look and feel of downtown - and it’s not even close to completion.
April 22, 20241 yr I know you all have been anxiously awaiting news to drop concerning the second tower. I can now confirm that SW has officially assigned me with the task of heading the updated design team. It will officially be 46 stories tall with large floor plans (the 26th floor will become my condo as compensation). I am not taking any questions/concerns at the moment. More to follow...
April 22, 20241 yr You actually gave a little too much info in that tease, @superior. We prefer something more vague - e.g. “skyline changing”. But good job!
April 22, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, superior said: I know you all have been anxiously awaiting news to drop concerning the second tower. I can now confirm that SW has officially assigned me with the task of heading the updated design team. It will officially be 46 stories tall with large floor plans (the 26th floor will become my condo as compensation). I am not taking any questions/concerns at the moment. More to follow... Heck, why not 66 stories?
April 22, 20241 yr It was talked about way up in the thread...what work did SW already do on the lot to the west? Were some caisons already poured? Was is just prep/cleanup from old foundations? Obviously, if some caisons, or other foundationalwork was already performed, it may limit the size of phase II. Edited April 23, 20241 yr by dski44
April 22, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, CleveFan said: You actually gave a little too much info in that tease, @superior. We prefer something more vague - e.g. “skyline changing”. But good job! Noted 😉
April 22, 20241 yr Has it just been been sunnier or has the tower recently added a white outline Edited April 22, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
April 22, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, TMart said: Heck, why not 66 stories? I had to work within the budget. I did squeeze another story into the project though.
April 22, 20241 yr On 4/19/2024 at 7:17 PM, chrino21 said: Jeez, to be stuck with a medium-sized office building while growing quickly doesn't seem to be a great place to be at the moment. Maybe they sell the whole thing to Progressive, Cleveland Cliffs, or The Clinic, and just start over. Didn't SHW want their vendors to have a building nearby? Let them have this one and build a proper 50 story building. They've already said they are delaying move in. So get HQ2 right and let your vendors move in - they'll even have access to a museum - fun for them. :)
April 22, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: That is the 37th floor and the 38th floor is mechanic, correct? Correct
April 22, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, superior said: I had to work within the budget. I did squeeze another story into the project though. As tight lipped as SW was about the design details of the first tower, did SW change their PR toward their HQ developments based on the criticism they got over being overly secretive? Also, I noticed they are removing the stuff (for lack of a better word) behind the windows on the lower floors. And it looks much better without it. I can't wait to see the finished product with the crown completed and without the window coverings.
April 23, 20241 yr To add into the noise of a second tower. Was talking to someone who works at SHW. And he made it seem like it's a foregone conclusion that the second tower will be built after the first one. And the reason is what has already been said here several times. They need more space.
April 23, 20241 yr I'm a skyline guy but even I have to admit being impresed how much this project does for DT at the street level. It's not just the addition by subtraction that we saw in wiping out the Public Square/WHD parking crater. It's the view looking west down Euclid Avenue with the HQ tower complementing the existing density of that street. Just gives everything such a more "big city" feel. On the downside, what a blunder by SW not to make the parking garage amenable to future vertical growth. Much more than "underbuilding" the existing HQ tower, being stuck with this stubby, 5-story or so parking warehouse on prime downtown land forever sucks. But it's really hard to complain given the overall impact of the project.
April 23, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said: To add into the noise of a second tower. Was talking to someone who works at SHW. And he made it seem like it's a foregone conclusion that the second tower will be built after the first one. And the reason is what has already been said here several times. They need more space. They better get moving then... with everything already on site they could easily transition to building the 2nd tower. Hopefully plans get submitted soon.
April 23, 20241 yr Until we get to see the plans for phase Il we have a little time to speculate about it. As in will they decide to build a similiar (identical?) but just a smaller version with the same orientation? Will they build a similiar version but angle it instead? Or will they do something completely different? My choice would be a very similar tower on an angle creating a mini-park between the two. At any rate, like all of you l can't wait to see what they build AND how tall it will be.
April 23, 20241 yr 55 minutes ago, Down_with_Ctown said: I'm a skyline guy but even I have to admit being impresed how much this project does for DT at the street level. It's not just the addition by subtraction that we saw in wiping out the Public Square/WHD parking crater. It's the view looking west down Euclid Avenue with the HQ tower complementing the existing density of that street. Just gives everything such a more "big city" feel. On the downside, what a blunder by SW not to make the parking garage amenable to future vertical growth. Much more than "underbuilding" the existing HQ tower, being stuck with this stubby, 5-story or so parking warehouse on prime downtown land forever sucks. But it's really hard to complain given the overall impact of the project. Once the majority is wrapped by mixed use, it will be better.
April 23, 20241 yr ^ Agreed. I believe they did reduce the footprint of the garage to allow more space for the parcels surrounding it. Hopefully, they will be developed relatively soon. Edited April 23, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
April 23, 20241 yr Tuesday morning skyline with the new SW HQ changing the dynamic (by JonesDronesCle) ps - there’s plenty of room for a new Justice Center Courthouse Tower - just an aside…(comment on that in the JC Replacement thread) Edited April 23, 20241 yr by CleveFan
April 23, 20241 yr If they build a second building does that mean we get to have another thread with 201 pages of speculation and photos? lol
April 23, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, GISguy said: If they build a second building does that mean we get to have another thread with 201 pages of speculation and photos? lol clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 23, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, GISguy said: If they build a second building does that mean we get to have another thread with 201 pages of speculation and photos? lol Probably not. They dragged their feet for several years before finally getting started. I doubt that will be the case for HQ2.
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