September 10, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, John D. Baumgardner said: Just received a cryptic text from another friend who is employed with Sherwin-Williams at their existing headquarters in Downtown Cleveland ... See the screenshot I've attached. Evidently the CEO has reissued a GAG ORDER of sorts ... Telling company employees to basically shut tf up about any potential skyscraper!!!!! Let the gnashing of teeth commence at once! ??? This could also be due to Sherwin Williams not wanting to inflate land prices dramatically because of their desire to build a tower. I imagine that these type of transactions are pretty tight lipped, and this spreading wind could only create a larger obstacle for them.
September 10, 20195 yr Author The owners of the properties are already well aware. They have been since 2014-15. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 10, 20195 yr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Ohio Interesting how this wikipedia entry has the proposed height of 653 ft. Edited September 10, 20195 yr by Firenze98 https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
September 11, 20195 yr I’m surprised the Wikipedia article even includes the SW headquarters - listing it at 669’ with completion over a 6 year range between 2019 and 2025. Unless that was the height of a pre-Valspar tower that SW was once considering.. The article also has Nucleus listed at 650’ and being completed in 2019, so we know the information is at best, not accurately updated - and, at worst, fake news.
September 11, 20195 yr 43 minutes ago, CleveFan said: I’m surprised the Wikipedia article even includes the SW headquarters - listing it at 669’ with completion over a 6 year range between 2019 and 2025. Unless that was the height of a pre-Valspar tower that SW was once considering.. The article also has Nucleus listed at 650’ and being completed in 2019, so we know the information is at best, not accurately updated - and, at worst, fake news. Right, and seeing as how it’s Wikipedia maybe I jump on there and drop a one and a comma in front of that 669’. That would make for some real excitement ?
September 11, 20195 yr Interestingly, somebody jumped on and gave it a range of 700-1,300 ft tall. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
September 11, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, Firenze98 said: Interestingly, somebody jumped on and gave it a range of 700-1,300 ft tall. That would make it the tallest or second tallest building in the city/state.
September 11, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: That would make it the tallest or second tallest building in the city/state. Anything over 1,121' would make it the tallest building in the country outside of NYC and Chicago.
September 11, 20195 yr That would be awesome. I'm hoping for the HQ to be at least 1,300ft or more, and the R&D(parking?) to be 500ft or taller.
September 11, 20195 yr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Cleveland#Tallest_under_construction_or_proposed 95 would be a mind-shattering number of stories. "We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of paradise." - ????, ???????
September 11, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, Boxtruffles said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Cleveland#Tallest_under_construction_or_proposed 95 would be a mind-shattering number of stories. Who is beyond the Listed Warehouse District Offices - 37 Stories % Warehouse District Condo - 18 Stories Is that the Dead Weston Development or Someone Else?
September 11, 20195 yr This is where I bring this photo in, which was made years back. I kind of want to find this guy and give us an ultra realistic vision of Cleveland's skyline post lumen. I would love to see this amount of density. Edited September 11, 20195 yr by tastybunns
September 11, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, simplythis said: Who is beyond the Listed Warehouse District Offices - 37 Stories % Warehouse District Condo - 18 Stories Is that the Dead Weston Development or Someone Else? That's been there for a while, was a supposed component of the Weston superblock. "We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of paradise." - ????, ???????
September 11, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said: Construction of that magnitude would require Turner or Gilbane, locally. TOTALLY TRUE! Per KJP blog article SHW RFQ was only sent to the Turner and Gilbane companies because they have the required expertise.
September 12, 20195 yr Sherwin-Williams Explores Options for a New R&D Facility and a New Global Headquarters CLEVELAND, OHIO, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 – The Sherwin-Williams Company (NYSE: SHW) today announced it has initiated a process to explore options for a new R&D facility and a new global headquarters. This action comes as a result of the company’s ongoing review of its facilities requirements as it seeks to best meet the current and future needs of its customers and employees.... ...As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states. Any transition to new facilities is not expected to occur until 2023 at the earliest and would require Board approval.... https://investors.sherwin-williams.com/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SWIR%2FSWIRLayout&cid=1385095432733&pagename=SWIRWrapper Edited September 12, 20195 yr by TPH2
September 12, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, TPH2 said: Sherwin-Williams Explores Options for a New R&D Facility and a New Global Headquarters CLEVELAND, OHIO, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 – The Sherwin-Williams Company (NYSE: SHW) today announced it has initiated a process to explore options for a new R&D facility and a new global headquarters. This action comes as a result of the company’s ongoing review of its facilities requirements as it seeks to best meet the current and future needs of its customers and employees.... ...As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states. Any transition to new facilities is not expected to occur until 2023 at the earliest and would require Board approval.... https://investors.sherwin-williams.com/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SWIR%2FSWIRLayout&cid=1385095432733&pagename=SWIRWrapper Thoughts on the "several other states" bit? Is there a chance some state/county/muni offers some knockout incentives to move (they are a publicly traded company after all)? Does anyone think they'd risk such a move? Edited September 12, 20195 yr by GISguy
September 12, 20195 yr ^"and several other states". Now for all the crazy offers. I assume--and hope---that they are only saying 'other states" so that they will be eligible for any funding from the state of Ohio, which they otherwise would not be.
September 12, 20195 yr I was told from a friend at Turner "when i asked someone about that they said they hadn't heard anything about it" but then said "there's a chance we are but people are keeping it secret" ? Edited September 12, 20195 yr by RE Developer In Training
September 12, 20195 yr If it is possible for a news release to contained very little news this is it. Also some possible mis-direction.
September 12, 20195 yr https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/sherwin-williams-looking-for-new-headquarters-company-confirms.html
September 12, 20195 yr 39 minutes ago, TPH2 said: Sherwin-Williams Explores Options for a New R&D Facility and a New Global Headquarters CLEVELAND, OHIO, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 – The Sherwin-Williams Company (NYSE: SHW) today announced it has initiated a process to explore options for a new R&D facility and a new global headquarters. This action comes as a result of the company’s ongoing review of its facilities requirements as it seeks to best meet the current and future needs of its customers and employees.... ...As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states. Any transition to new facilities is not expected to occur until 2023 at the earliest and would require Board approval.... https://investors.sherwin-williams.com/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SWIR%2FSWIRLayout&cid=1385095432733&pagename=SWIRWrapper Was there another earthquake in Cleveland? I definitely just felt quite a strong JOLT after reading this media release from Sherwin-Williams. It's as exciting as it is frightening ... Especially the part about exploring options in other states! ? Unless, a 1,100 ft. tall skyscraper is poised to rise high above Valor Acres in Brecksville, hopefully this release is only a ploy from Sherwin-Williams to get as many large incentives from Ohio and local officials as possible. Something of concern would be our prospering cousin city of Columbus, just 2 hour's south ... They'd do anything to lure a corporate goliath like S-W to their city. Columbus is speeding ahead with an explosion in population and a very youthful and educated workforce ... C-Bus forum denizens have been gnashing their teeth and salivating for YEAR'S AND YEAR'S to see a transformative SKYSCRAPER alter that city's skyline.
September 12, 20195 yr 38 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^"and several other states". Now for all the crazy offers. I assume--and hope---that they are only saying 'other states" so that they will be eligible for any funding from the state of Ohio, which they otherwise would not be. These guys are such shameless pigs.
September 12, 20195 yr On 9/6/2019 at 4:41 PM, Frmr CLEder said: I don't think anyone on this board would be 100% satisfied with anything other than 26 Public Square as the new address for SW, but it's not our decision to make. Well.....LOL. Seriously, I agree downtown for the HQ, but still think Brecksville is a better idea for the R&D. I know some of the execs like to "drop in" over there, but that's not necessarily a good thing for the people doing the work. It's also what would be called a soft consideration. Ever see a skyscraper have to be evacuated because of a toluene leak on the 27th floor? Ever see a fire department/hazmat have to deal with it? Ferro had their tech center in Independence partly for this reason.
September 12, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, John D. Baumgardner said: Was there another earthquake in Cleveland? I definitely just felt quite a strong JOLT after reading this media release from Sherwin-Williams. It's as exciting as it is frightening ... Especially the part about exploring options in other states! ? Unless, a 1,100 ft. tall skyscraper is poised to rise high above Valor Acres in Brecksville, hopefully this release is only a ploy from Sherwin-Williams to get as many large incentives from Ohio and local officials as possible. Something of concern would be our prospering cousin city of Columbus, just 2 hour's south ... They'd do anything to lure a corporate goliath like S-W to their city. Columbus is speeding ahead with an explosion in population and a very youthful and educated workforce ... C-Bus forum denizens have been gnashing their teeth and salivating for YEAR'S AND YEAR'S to see a transformative SKYSCRAPER alter that city's skyline. I think you are reading a lot into what I see as a throw away sentence in a news release that really did not say much and which they were just pretty much pressured to release because of people like KJP pounding on them.
September 12, 20195 yr https://trib.al/ivtEJdj “The company is considering multiple sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and “several other states,” according to a news release.”
September 12, 20195 yr Of course a company is going to say they are "exploring all options" with regards to making a move as big as this. I take these kinds of sentences in press releases like this with a grain of salt. I hope that KJP's scoop that the two local developers (Turner and Gilbane I believe) were the only ones contacted is true just to further prove the point that it is all a show by SHW and that they've already decided on staying in NEO at the minimum. I see little to no chance they move anywhere else.
September 12, 20195 yr They can say "several other states" as much as they want, but unless they have a workforce already set up in those other states, that seems unlikely.
September 12, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, plinth857 said: They can say "several other states" as much as they want, but unless they have a workforce already set up in those other states, that seems unlikely. Excellent point. In fact I would imagine even a move to Minneapolis would result in hundreds of million in labor costs losts and lost of institutional memory for no good reason.
September 12, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Excellent point. In fact I would imagine even a move to Minneapolis would result in hundreds of million in labor costs losts and lost of institutional memory for no good reason. Nonetheless - that phrase alone was enough to make me poop a little.
September 12, 20195 yr 38 minutes ago, John D. Baumgardner said: Was there another earthquake in Cleveland? I definitely just felt quite a strong JOLT after reading this media release from Sherwin-Williams. It's as exciting as it is frightening ... Especially the part about exploring options in other states! ? Unless, a 1,100 ft. tall skyscraper is poised to rise high above Valor Acres in Brecksville, hopefully this release is only a ploy from Sherwin-Williams to get as many large incentives from Ohio and local officials as possible. Something of concern would be our prospering cousin city of Columbus, just 2 hour's south ... They'd do anything to lure a corporate goliath like S-W to their city. Columbus is speeding ahead with an explosion in population and a very youthful and educated workforce ... C-Bus forum denizens have been gnashing their teeth and salivating for YEAR'S AND YEAR'S to see a transformative SKYSCRAPER alter that city's skyline. "As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states." Columbus is not in NE Ohio, Cleveland, or another state.
September 12, 20195 yr Seems like a pretty pro-forma announcement that SH is building a new HQ and that their options are open. At least they acknowledged what everyone knows.
September 12, 20195 yr 14 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Nonetheless - that phrase alone was enough to make me poop a little. Coffee does that to me?
September 12, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Nonetheless - that phrase alone was enough to make me poop a little. By the way, I think that was the intent of the "team" that came up with the news release. I can see them sitting around a conference table, all with little sinister grins on their faces, as they came up with the exact phrasing. Edited September 12, 20195 yr by Htsguy
September 12, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, Htsguy said: By the way, I think that was the intent of the "team" that came up with the news release. I can see them sitting around a conference table, all with little sinister grins on their faces, as they came up with the exact phasing. Yeah strategically I don't think it would be smart to say "we're for sure staying" without an incentives package locked in. Nonetheless, a move away from NEO would be dang near fatal to our local economy Edited September 12, 20195 yr by YABO713
September 12, 20195 yr Not to be a contrarian here, but I’m a cautious Cleveland supporter...The leadership of the city of Cleveland should not assume that the SW announcement is just a misdirection. (Even though it may in fact be a leverage play) The city should aggressively move to put together the most attractive deal that guarantees SW’s new world headquarters is built downtown. Despite the historical connection between SW and Northeast Ohio, I think it’s not impossible that a huge corporation could make what seems an unthinkable move - if there’s enough motivation from a competing city, be it Columbus, Minneapolis or someone else. So here’s to Cleveland leadership remaining aggressive and closing the deal. Imagine the impact of SW locating downtown in that mighty new world headquarters on public square - that cannot be allowed to not happen.
September 12, 20195 yr this was just tweeted by Ward 3 councilman McCormack: Edited September 12, 20195 yr by NewtoCLE
September 12, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, CleveFan said: Not to be a contrarian here, but I’m a cautious Cleveland supporter...The leadership of the city of Cleveland should not assume that the SW announcement is just a misdirection. (Even though it may in fact be a leverage play) The city should aggressively move to put together the most attractive deal that guarantees SW’s new world headquarters is built downtown. Despite the historical connection between SW and Northeast Ohio, I think it’s not impossible that a huge corporation could make what seems an unthinkable move - if there’s enough motivation from a competing city, be it Columbus, Minneapolis or someone else. So here’s to Cleveland leadership remaining aggressive and closing the deal. Imagine the impact of SW locating downtown in that mighty new world headquarters on public square - that cannot be allowed to not happen. I believe KJP previously quoted Kerry McCormack saying that the city has already had discussions with SW and in his mind has put a very generous package together.
September 12, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, NewtoCLE said: this was just tweeted by Ward 3 council man McCormack: Wow, just as I was typing the above
September 12, 20195 yr I think Cincinnati and Columbus would love to have SW HQ. I'm sure the same goes for most states and their major cities. While I'm sure SW is Keen on staying In Cleveland, for multiple reasons, I also believe they will be looking for massive tax breaks and incentives. This is kind of equivalent to Amazon HQ 2. Not nearly as many workers, and new generated city tax income, but many cities will bend over backwards to lure in a new HQ the size of SW.
September 12, 20195 yr ^This seems pretty different from Amazon HQ2, which is being staffed from the ground up, not relocated. I'm not sure if there's been a recent equivalent to this kind of move. GE's workforce relocation was relatively tiny. Boeing, I guess, but they left tons behind in Seattle too, I think.
September 12, 20195 yr Author THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 Sherwin-Williams finally admits new HQ, R&D site search After months of denials, Sherwin-Williams (SHW) finally has acknowledged publicly and officially that it is seeking a new home for its global headquarters and research-development facilities. In a press release shared today, SHW Chairman and Chief Executive Officer John G. Morikis admitted what has been reported here at NEOtrans for nearly a year -- that the global coatings giant has outgrown its scattered offices throughout Greater Cleveland and is looking for a new HQ+R&D. “The company’s significant growth and global expansion over the last several decades has resulted in a less than optimal configuration of headquarters, offices and R&D facilities across multiple locations,” Morikis said. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-finally-admits-new-hq.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 12, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, StapHanger said: ^This seems pretty different from Amazon HQ2, which is being staffed from the ground up, not relocated. I'm not sure if there's been a recent equivalent to this kind of move. GE's workforce relocation was relatively tiny. Boeing, I guess, but they left tons behind in Seattle too, I think. True, I was more referencing to the impact it will have for most cities to land a new HQ the size of SW. It was being discussed how it might be a labor cost strain in order for SW to relocate all of their work staff/new hires to staff the HQ...but I'm wondering if they receive tax cuts/incentives if it will balance out the labor costs?
September 12, 20195 yr 19 minutes ago, CleveFan said: Not to be a contrarian here, but I’m a cautious Cleveland supporter...The leadership of the city of Cleveland should not assume that the SW announcement is just a misdirection. (Even though it may in fact be a leverage play) The city should aggressively move to put together the most attractive deal that guarantees SW’s new world headquarters is built downtown. Despite the historical connection between SW and Northeast Ohio, I think it’s not impossible that a huge corporation could make what seems an unthinkable move - if there’s enough motivation from a competing city, be it Columbus, Minneapolis or someone else. So here’s to Cleveland leadership remaining aggressive and closing the deal. Imagine the impact of SW locating downtown in that mighty new world headquarters on public square - that cannot be allowed to not happen. I'm sure the Mayor will get right on that after completing more fake interviews about his family matters....?
September 12, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, KJP said: THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 Sherwin-Williams finally admits new HQ, R&D site search After months of denials, Sherwin-Williams (SHW) finally has acknowledged publicly and officially that it is seeking a new home for its global headquarters and research-development facilities. In a press release shared today, SHW Chairman and Chief Executive Officer John G. Morikis admitted what has been reported here at NEOtrans for nearly a year -- that the global coatings giant has outgrown its scattered offices throughout Greater Cleveland and is looking for a new HQ+R&D. “The company’s significant growth and global expansion over the last several decades has resulted in a less than optimal configuration of headquarters, offices and R&D facilities across multiple locations,” Morikis said. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-finally-admits-new-hq.html Why are we making renderings in downtown when time and time again companies continue to leave Cleveland for other states or NEO suburbs?
September 12, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: Here come the trolls. Smh The possibility of Sherwin leaving Cleveland proper is very real. Don't even start with this troll accusation. The Jackson administration has an awful reputation with corporate business downtown. I can't even count the number of huge corporate headquarters the city has lost to not only other states, but to its blood sucking suburbs. Edited September 12, 20195 yr by AsDustinFoxWouldSay
September 12, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Why are we making renderings in downtown when time and time again companies continue to leave Cleveland for other states or NEO suburbs? Because they are awesome. What a depressing world to live in without dreams. Good luck to you sir
September 12, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, marty15 said: How many employees did BP have here when they left for Chicago? Lots but completely different situation. Amoco merged with BP.
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