5 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

If SW is truly considering all their options for their new HQ, including leaving Cleveland and the state completely then I'm not entirely sure what is wrong with that letter drafted by SW?

Come on,  Stop playing games.  I am sure you are bright enough to realize (as pointed out by more than one poster) that "exploring all options" language is a throw away like that appears in every corporate news release dealing with a headquarters move since the world was  born. 

7 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Come on,  Stop playing games.  I am sure you are bright enough to realize (as pointed out by more than one poster) that "exploring all options" language is a throw away like that appears in every corporate news release dealing with a headquarters move since the world was  born. 

 

I would argue that's not really true...

Companies have to suggest they are exploring others regions and states to get the most lucrative incentives. Bob Evans was never leaving Ohio, but they had to claim looking at Texas so the state could justify incentives to keep them here. 

3 minutes ago, ink said:

Companies have to suggest they are exploring others regions and states to get the most lucrative incentives. Bob Evans was never leaving Ohio, but they had to claim looking at Texas so the state could justify incentives to keep them here. 

 

Right, which is sad to some extent... It's basically saying, "Give us a reason why we should stay." 

17 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

I would argue that's not really true...

 

Yeah, it is though, my source is about as good as it gets on this matter... and they're saying Cleveland would really have to drop the ball in concert with another city knocking it out of the park. 

 

Talked to them again last night, and SW would be particularly concerned about operations falling behind due to a potential exodus of employees if the HQ moves - not to mention the cost of training. 

47 minutes ago, troeros said:

Right, which is sad to some extent... It's basically saying, "Give us a reason why we should stay." 

 

This game is a national disgrace, but it is standard operating procedure, it is reality.

Edited September 13, 20195 yr by mu2010

31 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Yeah, it is though, my source is about as good as it gets on this matter... and they're saying Cleveland would really have to drop the ball in concert with another city knocking it out of the park. 

 

Talked to them again last night, and SW would be particularly concerned about operations falling behind due to a potential exodus of employees if the HQ moves - not to mention the cost of training. 

 

Agreed. I also trust your source very much.

 

And I think many others would feel more comfortable if they knew how many different sources in positions of knowledge/access are saying much the same thing.

 

I feel very badly for the many people who assume that SHW is leaving. They act as if they are abused. I suppose that's understandable considering the history of the last 50 years and that some people take the many corporate departures/mergers/deaths very personally. Perhaps the only thing that will help them forget the past is an amazing, shiny, new headquarters and R&D facility that beats any local precedents in terms of scale and design.

On 9/12/2019 at 9:43 AM, Geowizical said:

Of course a company is going to say they are "exploring all options" with regards to making a move as big as this. I take these kinds of sentences in press releases like this with a grain of salt. I hope that KJP's scoop that the two local developers (Turner and Gilbane I believe) were the only ones contacted is true just to further prove the point that it is all a show by SHW and that they've already decided on staying in NEO at the minimum. I see little to no chance they move anywhere else.

Actually Gibane's Corporate HQ is in Providence, RI and 

Turner is in NYC.

 

BUT they both have local offices and they both have been building large projects here for 40+ years too.

 

Has anyone heard of a response to this from City Hall? 

 

What the #@!% are they waiting for?

Just now, Frmr CLEder said:

Has anyone heard of a response to this from City Hall? 

 

What the #@!% are they waiting for?

 

Too busy sucking at Mayor damage control.

On 9/12/2019 at 10:09 AM, B767PILOT said:

Seems like a pretty pro-forma announcement that SH is building a new HQ and that their options are open. At least they acknowledged what everyone knows. 

I totally agree and legally they have to say they are keeping all options open to protect their shareholders rights.

 

4 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Has anyone heard of a response to this from City Hall? 

 

What the #@!% are they waiting for?

 

If only Urban Ohio was in charge of the city ? There would definitely be a lot more enthusiasm and urgency. That's for sure.

1 minute ago, CLE_Millennial said:

 

 

If only Urban Ohio was in charge of the city ? There would definitely be a lot more enthusiasm and urgency. That's for sure.

 

We'd have two dozen 1,000-foot-tall towers downtown with their occupancies averaging about 3 percent.

14 minutes ago, CLE_Millennial said:

 

 

If only Urban Ohio was in charge of the city ? There would definitely be a lot more enthusiasm and urgency. That's for sure.

 

The Mayor's statement came out yesterday afternoon:

 

“We are happy that the process has begun and I had a brief conversation with Sherwin-Williams [Thursday] morning and assured them that we would be competitive. In addition, our economic development team is engaged with them in finding a solution to their future growth needs.”

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/sherwin-williams-looking-for-new-headquarters-company-confirms.html

2 minutes ago, SgtBarone said:

 

The Mayor's statement came out yesterday afternoon:

 

“We are happy that the process has begun and I had a brief conversation with Sherwin-Williams [Thursday] morning and assured them that we would be competitive. In addition, our economic development team is engaged with them in finding a solution to their future growth needs.”

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/09/sherwin-williams-looking-for-new-headquarters-company-confirms.html

 

That response is so bland..not really familiar with the mayor, is he always so uninspiring? 

2 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

That response is so bland..not really familiar with the mayor, is he always so uninspiring? 

Yes

Boilerplate statement in response to a boilerplate press release.  Moving on?

37 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

That response is so bland..not really familiar with the mayor, is he always so uninspiring? 

Not only that, it was a joint statement from the City, County and Community Development. Where's the leadership here?

1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

That response is so bland..not really familiar with the mayor, is he always so uninspiring? 

 

1 hour ago, marty15 said:

Yes

 

I'd still take Jackson over John Cranley any day of the week. He's too busy sleeping at work to constantly meddle in projects and get them killed for personal vendettas. 

1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

That response is so bland..not really familiar with the mayor, is he always so uninspiring? 

That statement was soaring poetry by Mayor’s standards.

So on to real news - what locations are actually on the list?

 

 - Public Square parking lots owned by Jacobs?

 - Nucleus site?

 - Valor Acres in Brecksville?

4 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

So on to real news - what locations are actually on the list?

 

 - Public Square parking lots owned by Jacobs?

 - Nucleus site?

 - Valor Acres in Brecksville?

I would think that these are the only legitimate contenders for them. And you have likely listed in order from most likely to least likely. 

Don't watch Channel 3 news about Sherwin-Williams this evening.... ?

Edited September 13, 20195 yr by KJP

1 hour ago, CCC said:

That statement was soaring poetry by Mayor’s standards.

 

Separate conversation but relevant here, I was telling a friend last weekend that Frank Jackson really has no winning record to speak of as mayor but has merely managed to avoid controversy.  Now with his grandson facing felony, he's mired in the muck.  If this SW deal somehow gets away, he's toast.

38 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

 

Separate conversation but relevant here, I was telling a friend last weekend that Frank Jackson really has no winning record to speak of as mayor but has merely managed to avoid controversy.  Now with his grandson facing felony, he's mired in the muck.  If this SW deal somehow gets away, he's toast.

I don’t understand the hate for Mayor Jackson, I really don’t. For one, this is gonna be his last term anyway, most likely. Two, people want to saddle him with all of the city’s woes but give him no credit for the city’s successes. People act like it wouldve happened regardless. If you think that, you’re mistaken. Several of the people who ran against him recently would’ve been terrible for the Cleveland business community and the overall climate for development. No he’s not the most dynamic person in the world, but to give him no credit at all for anything positive that’s going on in the city is false and unfair. A Mayor Jeff Johnson would’ve given you a lot to complain about. 

Moving on from Mayor Jackson....

37 minutes ago, X said:

Moving on from Mayor Jackson....

Edited September 13, 20195 yr by X
Continuing conversation after "back on topic" post from mod

36 minutes ago, X said:

Moving on from Mayor Jackson....

Edited September 13, 20195 yr by X
Continuing conversation after "back on topic" post from mod

Me chatting with a WKYC's Mark Naymik and a producer and cameraman (I'm the handsome devil in the middle) on a scorching hot afternoon today on Scranton Peninsula, with Sherwin-William's 89-year-old HQ building looming across the river. Just out of view to the left is SHW's John G. Breen research facility, nearly half of which is 71 years old. My wife took this photo....

Edited September 13, 20195 yr by KJP

1 minute ago, KJP said:

Me chatting with a WKYC's Mark Naymik and a producer and cameraman (I'm the handsome devil in the middle) on a scorching hot afternoon today on Scranton Peninsula, with Sherwin-William's 89-year-old HQ building looming across the river. Just out of view to the left is SHW's John G. Breen research facility, nearly half of which is 71 years old. My wife took this photo....

 

KENNY SCOOPS

Please post the interview here once it's aired, sadly I don't live in Cleveland anymore, but i do care about it as it is my home.

1 hour ago, Terdolph said:

I hope that the city thinks outside of the box in its attempt to retain SW, much like what was in the Amazon bid.  One thing I thing that could be transformational would be for the city to spend the $$ to complete the rail system so that SW employees, and other new DT corporate employees can get to and from work.  How about completing the DT waterfront rail loop going into the Huron Rd. portal?   How about making a rail loop from TT over the DS birdge lower deck, down w25th and back on the Hope Memorial bridge lower level?  That would open up a lot of housing for SW workers and maybe attract some other headquarters to Cleveland.

The downtown/waterfront loop would be incredible. Avenue District station, Browns/Rock Hall station, Playhouse Square/CSU station, Progressive Field/RMF/NuCLEus station, FEB........ Fack....would be packed all day long.

Agree 100%.

 

Not sure of the cost for the original construction, annual maintenance costs or how it's paid for but MIA has a no-fare People Mover that runs from Edgwater/Adrienne Arsht Center to the Art Museums/Frost Science Center to Bayfront Park/AA Arena to Civic Center to Brickel and back again. 

It really takes $$$, leadership and commitment to pull it off. I use it alot rather than drive and pay to park. Unfortunately, most of the time its empty.

A CLE project to tie PS and new SW HQ to all other CBD districts would be phenomenal but costly.

1 hour ago, Terdolph said:

I hope that the city thinks outside of the box in its attempt to retain SW, much like what was in the Amazon bid.  One thing I thing that could be transformational would be for the city to spend the $$ to complete the rail system so that SW employees, and other new DT corporate employees can get to and from work.  How about completing the DT waterfront rail loop going into the Huron Rd. portal?   How about making a rail loop from TT over the DS birdge lower deck, down w25th and back on the Hope Memorial bridge lower level?  That would open up a lot of housing for SW workers and maybe attract some other headquarters to Cleveland.

Spot on.  Would like to see rail go south of the inner belt as well.  Really fill out that empty land and that large Progressive Field employee lot at e 14th and Broadway.

On 9/12/2019 at 10:56 AM, Chazz Michael Michaels said:

Because they are awesome.  What a depressing world to live in without dreams.  Good luck to you sir

So TRUE !

 

And I think that DOWNTOWN CLEVELAND has improved so much in the last ten+ years! 

 

And thats why there have been several SUBURBAN based companies including NRP Group, Brandmuscle, Inforce Technology, Dakota Software, BrightEdge and others MOVING INTO DOWNTOWN CLEVELAND! 

 

Of course it helps that talented people, specifically millennials want to LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY in a very WALKABLE URBAN DOWNTOWN TOO!

Edited September 14, 20195 yr by Larry1962
Added examples of companies moving to Downtown from the Suburbs.

22 hours ago, West153 said:

SW doesn't want to be in the suburbs.  In 2019, all the evidence points to the fact that Millennials and Gen Zs generally want to live/ work/ play in the city.  Moving to Brecksville or where ever would put them at a serious competitive disadvantage from a talent acquisition standpoint.  These are smart people; it won't happen.

Contrary to popular opinion, but companies that moved to the burbs like Eaton are doing just fine with talent acquisition, same with Progressive who is exploding with growth and new hires. That millennial and Gen Z thing doesn't really apply in NEO. Here, it's all about the suburbs maaaan.

2 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Contrary to popular opinion, but companies that moved to the burbs like Eaton are doing just fine with talent acquisition, same with Progressive who is exploding with growth and new hires. That millennial and Gen Z thing doesn't really apply in NEO. Here, it's all about the suburbs maaaan.

 

What are you smoking, maaaan?

Edited September 13, 20195 yr by Clefan98

MARK NAYMIK REPORTS: CLEVELAND’S FAILED AMAZON PITCH OFFERS POSSIBLE CLUES FOR NEW DIGS FOR SHERWIN-WILLIAMS

Some of the same properties offered to the giant online retailer could be available for global paint maker’s new headquarters

https://www.wkyc.com/article/money/business/clevelands-failed-amazon-pitch-offers-possible-blueprint-for-new-digs-for-sherwin-williams/95-45a8bd09-af78-4da2-a5af-7cdf3e86a04f

2 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Contrary to popular opinion, but companies that moved to the burbs like Eaton are doing just fine with talent acquisition, same with Progressive who is exploding with growth and new hires. That millennial and Gen Z thing doesn't really apply in NEO. Here, it's all about the suburbs maaaan.

 

Only 13 posts, but 34 "thumbs down" votes.  You have to be trying to be a troll to do so badly. 

Just saw an expert on the subject on WKYC! ?

Don’t count out the riverfront site on the south side of Huron for HQ. 

Does anyone know the approximate number of parking spaces inside the LANDMARK OFFICE TOWER complex ??

(SHW current HQ)

 

Just trying to get an idea of how much parking the NEW SHW HQ might require.....

 

I do agree that most likely they will build the NEW SHW HQ TOWER on the JACOBS LOT at PS. 

 

And a combination R&D CENTER-PARKING COMPLEX on the WESTON PARKING LOTS. 

 

Which should help WESTON build his multiuser complex on the rest of his parking lots in the Warehouse District too!

 

 

Edited September 14, 20195 yr by Larry1962

Maybe just maybe, it would make sense in the long run, to have SHW HQ built on the nuCLEus site?

 

The nuCLEus site is 3 acres, where as the JACOBS SITE is

1 acre and so there is plenty of space for both towers!

 

With a NEW SHW HQ that is 60-80 floors tall that would replace the 24 floor office tower that STARK is currently proposing at that site.

 

And then STARK could built the 24+ tall multiuser tower with apartments, retail, parking and also the CLEVELAND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT COMPLEX at the corner of East 4 & Huron!

 

What a GREAT GIFT from SHW to their HOMETOWN to both built their NEW HQ DOWNTOWN and to help ensure that the nuCLEus PROJECT is FINALLY BUILT too!!!  

 

And they could build the R&D CENTER at the other STARK parking lot across East 4 Street and combine it with the

310 Prospect Avenue site after the demolition if the building can't be renovated.

 

Edited September 15, 20195 yr by Larry1962
Added R&D CENTER details

On 9/12/2019 at 3:55 PM, YABO713 said:

If SHW jumps ship it's going to a boomtown, imo. 

 

I'm sure there is a loud voice from Valspar lifers to move to Minneapolis.    

Why are we convinced it is going to be greater than 1,000 feet? Just wondering if that is hopeful speculation or based on something tangible? They could keep their current space and build an additional space that is much smaller, right?

There are so many concepts out there right now that anything is possible. The Public Square site has been favored historically by Sherwin-Williams but everything is on the table.

48 minutes ago, jfristik said:

Why are we convinced it is going to be greater than 1,000 feet? Just wondering if that is hopeful speculation or based on something tangible? They could keep their current space and build an additional space that is much smaller, right?

In my mind no matter what they build or where they go it would seem strange to make the effort to build "additional space" to meet their growth requirements and stay in the old building as well.  The Midlland Building has to be super dated in terms of everything most modern company's want out of their office space today.

I feel them mentioning the out of state option is just a power move to get the best deal from Cleveland and why not? They threw the world at Amazon. To me Sherwin Williams has put too much into the Cleveland is our home campaigning to just leave a couple years later. Anything is technically possible I guess but I think they are just trying to get the best deal from Cleveland.

1 hour ago, jfristik said:

Why are we convinced it is going to be greater than 1,000 feet? Just wondering if that is hopeful speculation or based on something tangible? They could keep their current space and build an additional space that is much smaller, right?

I think that with the requirement of a total of 1.8 million sq. ft. for both the modern HQ and R&D CENTER, that wherever they build, even if it's two buildings the HQ building will be more than a one million sq. ft.  Which would be TALL TOWER. 

 

And I DON'T think that it's likely that they would renovate the LANDMARK OFFICE TOWER since that would require them moving temporarily to another location to enable a complete redo of all the major systems and also adding modern features like fiber optics ect.