October 5, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: We have to be honest with ourselves here. It's unfortunate but the reality is that unless SW builds a HQ tower, with ancillary buildings downtown and unless there's a dramatic new development on the horizon that none of us are aware of, its unlikely there will be another high-rise office tower built downtown in the near future. Therefore, Cleveland needs SW to build their HQ tower downtown. What’s your definition of high rise?
October 5, 20195 yr Sorry you feel that way My2Sense, but not surprised. Edited October 5, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder
October 5, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said: > 500 ft. Gotcha, this is the best most near term high rise. But the potential for significant mid rises is there for sure.
October 5, 20195 yr Author I asked that it be unlocked in light of the discussions in the Tower City thread regarding whether the riverfront development massings were possibly a SHW HQ+R&D concept. It seemed possible, considering that Vocon and Korman, Jackson & Krantz are working on both the CityBlock and SHW projects. They would be aware of needing a "placeholder" massing in the background of a rendering involving a neighboring project, in this case CityBlock. At least one insightful forumer, @w28th, has heard that SHW has considered the riverfront for its HQ+R&D. But after checking with a source, the massing in the background isn't anything relating to SHW. It is a concept for future development by Bedrock. As before, most sources/indicators point to the Jacobs/Weston lots. Hopefully we'll hear something official before the end of the year. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20195 yr Author WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2019 Sherwin-Williams HQ and CEO are finding new homes If you were the chief executive officer of a major corporation that is about to build a new global headquarters in a new location, would you build a brand-new mansion for your primary residence right now? And if you did, where would you build it? Chances are, you'd probably build it in the same metro area where your new headquarters will be located. According to public records, Mr. and Mrs. John G. Morikis put the finishing touches earlier this year on their beautiful, brand-new 22,197-square-foot mansion. Mr. Morikis, if the name doesn't immediately ring a bell, is the CEO of Sherwin-Williams Corp. (SHW). MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/10/sherwin-williams-hq-and-ceo-are-finding.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20195 yr 46 minutes ago, KJP said: WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2019 Sherwin-Williams HQ and CEO are finding new homes If you were the chief executive officer of a major corporation that is about to build a new global headquarters in a new location, would you build a brand-new mansion for your primary residence right now? And if you did, where would you build it? Chances are, you'd probably build it in the same metro area where your new headquarters will be located. According to public records, Mr. and Mrs. John G. Morikis put the finishing touches earlier this year on their beautiful, brand-new 22,197-square-foot mansion. Mr. Morikis, if the name doesn't immediately ring a bell, is the CEO of Sherwin-Williams Corp. (SHW). MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/10/sherwin-williams-hq-and-ceo-are-finding.html Praise the Lawd!! John and I can share the commute to downtown on Clifton in the morning!
October 10, 20195 yr Mfw finding out that the SHW CEO just bought(/built) a mansion in Cleveland. "We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of paradise." - ????, ???????
October 10, 20195 yr A few more pics courtesy of Eagleview, current as of March of this year. @KJP , as always, great reporting! Edited October 10, 20195 yr by GISguy
October 10, 20195 yr Author Wow, those are fantastic views, @GISguy! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, KJP said: Wow, those are fantastic views, @GISguy! I don't want to drag this too far off topic, but for reference you can go to the county full map viewer and click on the Pictometry widget (highlighted in the screenshot), and you'll have access to oblique imagery spanning staggered years from 2006-2019. FWIW, there's a yearly flight, so oftentimes better imagery than what Google Aerial's can offer!
October 10, 20195 yr Hot damn that's a big one. And when traffic gets really bad, he could take his speed boat down to the Rock and Docks where I've seen his boat docked in the past btw. Anyways, great investigative work here KJP.
October 10, 20195 yr Author 2 minutes ago, jmblec2 said: How secure is that cliff there? It would make me nervous after spending $10M. Also what is going on next store, is that erosion? Next door? Nah, that's an amazing stairwell built into a ravine (a manmade ravine) down to a lakeside party deck and dock built by the neighboring property owner Michael A. Priore who tried to hide his ownership of the property through an LLC. This is who Priore is: https://www.bbb.org/us/oh/cleveland/profile/property-management/windsor-realty-management-inc-0312-22438 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20195 yr Okay folks, a lot to get understandably excited about but try to keep it on topic. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
October 10, 20195 yr Just one more off topic, if anyone is interested in seeing the building of this and others like it in NEO here is Schillar Architectures Instagram. I’ve been wondering who this was being built for and needless to say I’m not disappointed
October 10, 20195 yr Judging from this, you really think Mr. Morikis wants to settle for a modest and unassuming looking new headquarters? ?
October 10, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, marty15 said: Judging from this, you really think Mr. Morikis wants to settle for a modest and unassuming looking new headquarters? ? Good point! After seeing his house, the new HQ+R&D might surpass all the wishful thinking/dreaming we've done here at UO ?
October 10, 20195 yr Actually, this is good news. I remember living in DC during Amazon HQ2-mania, it was always speculated that they would choose DC because Jeff Bezos acquired a massive new home there.
October 10, 20195 yr Author 4 hours ago, marty15 said: Judging from this, you really think Mr. Morikis wants to settle for a modest and unassuming looking new headquarters? ? He might not. ? BTW I just tweeted this... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20195 yr ^ May not mean much, but I couldn't help but notice that KJP used "site" in the singular, and not "sites."
October 10, 20195 yr 28 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said: I wouldnt get excited. I say prepare for the worst. Just for you. From the worst movie eva!
October 10, 20195 yr Author 48 minutes ago, surfohio said: ^ May not mean much, but I couldn't help but notice that KJP used "site" in the singular, and not "sites." Yes, I'm told "site." I don't know if it's been selected yet, but by the end of the month it should down to one site. 37 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said: I wouldnt get excited. I say prepare for the worst. While I've been hearing conflicting information for a while, it's becoming more focused. And I think the "worst" you should expect is that you may not like the design because everyone has widely differing opinions about design. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 10, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, freethink said: Just for you. From the worst movie eva! Sweetie, nobody uses Miranda Priestly GIFs - APPROPRIATELY - but me! By your (virtual) inflect I can tell you think what you’re posted is funny, but no. Until we have confirmation of a location and construction has started....I'm reserving my excitement.
October 11, 20195 yr If you're going to read or throw shade, please make sure your spelling and grammar are correct.
October 11, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Yes, I'm told "site." I don't know if it's been selected yet, but by the end of the month it should down to one site. By “one site” do you mean that the HQ and R&D will both be in Cleveland? Or by “one site” do you mean that the HQ+R&D will both be on the same piece of property(Jacobs Lot, or Weston Lot)?
October 11, 20195 yr Author Definitely the former, probably the latter. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20195 yr The CEO, who’s not from here, builds a $10+ million dollar mansion on the lake, all in the midst of new HQ discussion/planning, and the negativity still persists. Amazing.
October 11, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, marty15 said: The CEO, who’s not from here, builds a $10+ million dollar mansion on the lake, all in the midst of new HQ discussion/planning, and the negativity still persists. Amazing. Marty you know I'm generally positive and think outside the box, but this is bigger than our average development. I'm going to remain skeptical until this development is officially announced with details.
October 11, 20195 yr 57 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said: Marty you know I'm generally positive and think outside the box, but this is bigger than our average development. I'm going to remain skeptical until this development is officially announced with details. Understandable and that’s your right. 3 hours ago, KJP said: Yes, I'm told "site." I don't know if it's been selected yet, but by the end of the month it should down to one site. Once the site is selected how long potentially until a developer is identified? Also, once the site is selected do you anticipate it being public knowledge or remaining close to the vest for awhile?
October 11, 20195 yr Author The site will be announced, as in publicly. Also the conceptual site plan, architectural exterior design, and likely the interior design and finishes, as well as the development team (construction manager, general contractor, architect, etc) will be announced officially then too. Although the Jacobs/Weston lots are favored by SHW, other sites are being considered. And don't forget that there is another whale out there… the new Justice Center. The city also wants the Justice Center to go on/near the Jacobs and/or Weston lots. While I understand that that the new Justice Center should be in a location that is convenient to public transportation and the nexus of law offices, the Justice Center is in no danger of leaving Cleveland whatsoever. While I don't think SHW is in danger, it would have been if Cleveland didn't take care of SHW first and then find a site for the new Justice Center. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20195 yr 20 minutes ago, KJP said: The site will be announced, as in publicly. Also the conceptual site plan, architectural exterior design, and likely the interior design and finishes, as well as the development team (construction manager, general contractor, architect, etc) will be announced officially then too. Although the Jacobs/Weston lots are favored by SHW, other sites are being considered. And don't forget that there is another whale out there… the new Justice Center. The city also wants the Justice Center to go on/near the Jacobs and/or Weston lots. While I understand that that the new Justice Center should be in a location that is convenient to public transportation and the nexus of law offices, the Justice Center is in no danger of leaving Cleveland whatsoever. While I don't think SHW is in danger, it would have been if Cleveland didn't take care of SHW first and then find a site for the new Justice Center. The Justice Center could fill up all those buildings in the City Block riverfront rendering. Directly connected to public transit. Maybe that’s part of discussion. The county purchasing SHW’s property. Edited October 11, 20195 yr by marty15
October 11, 20195 yr I certainly hope that the City is not considering placing the new Justice Center on the Jacob's lot. PS and the community deserve a more iconic use of that space.
October 11, 20195 yr While I certainly would prefer the SW tower on Public Square, nothing -- other than a lack of money or imagination -- would necessarily prevent a courthouse tower from being a great addition if SW does not come through. The federal courthouse tower, for instance, would look just fine on Public Square.
October 11, 20195 yr 20 hours ago, MyTwoSense said: I wouldnt get excited. I say prepare for the worst. SHW isn't going anywhere
October 11, 20195 yr Author 44 minutes ago, YABO713 said: SHW isn't going anywhere No, it's not. A big piece was decided this week. The site wasn't, but that's coming in the next couple of weeks. None of the four potential sites are outside of downtown. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, KJP said: No, it's not. A big piece was decided this week. The site wasn't, but that's coming in the next couple of weeks. None of the four potential sites are outside of downtown. What incredible news this will be for the city when they officially announce and roll out renderings.
October 11, 20195 yr 33 minutes ago, KJP said: No, it's not. A big piece was decided this week. The site wasn't, but that's coming in the next couple of weeks. None of the four potential sites are outside of downtown. And The 4 sites are - PS, Westin Superblock, Lebron James Mural site & the Cuyahoga River. KJP - Is this Correct?
October 11, 20195 yr Author My understanding.... 1. Jacobs/Weston 2. Bedrock riverfront (not what was in the Cityblock massing) 3. Lakefront (don't have it nailed down better) 4. Flats South "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 11, 20195 yr If they aren't going to build a supertall on the Jacob's lot, but would rather have a "campus-like" atmosphere, then #2, 3, or 4 seem to make a lot more sense than #1. I would like to see that sort of development at site #2, myself. But I'd still love to have a new supertall on the Jacob's lot!
October 11, 20195 yr For their space requirements, couldn't they have a 600 - 800 ft HQ tower on the Jacobs lot, with a few lower-rise buildings, in a campus-like setting, on a portion of Weston? That could still leave enough room for a new Justice Center on the remaing portion of the Weston lots.
October 12, 20195 yr I don’t think it’s a lock that SW builds downtown because the CEO is building a house around Cleveland. They could still easily build in the suburbs. Even big shots sometimes have to drive a bit.
October 12, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, PAZUZU said: I don’t think it’s a lock that SW builds downtown because the CEO is building a house around Cleveland. They could still easily build in the suburbs. Even big shots sometimes have to drive a bit. Truth, but since he's only 55 and unlikely to retire for awhile, it makes it extremely likely they are staying in the area. And odds are, that means downtown HQ. I still think there's a good chance R&D ends up in the suburbs. Economically, it's pretty much the same for the region.
October 12, 20195 yr 11 hours ago, PAZUZU said: I don’t think it’s a lock that SW builds downtown because the CEO is building a house around Cleveland. They could still easily build in the suburbs. Even big shots sometimes have to drive a bit. I don't think you understand the point of the posts cheering the CEO's construct of a large house on the lake in Bay Village. The implication is that SW will not be moving out of Greater Cleveland or to another state as a result, not that this is evidence that it would not build its HG in the suburbs. People are also implying that this means the touted Brecksville site is less likely since the CEO is moving from his current home in Brecksville to Bay Village. Hope that clears things up for you. That said, according to a certain poster with a number of inside contacts, the HQ will be downtown. What are your inside sources saying? Edited October 12, 20195 yr by Htsguy
October 12, 20195 yr 9 hours ago, E Rocc said: Truth, but since he's only 55 and unlikely to retire for awhile, it makes it extremely likely they are staying in the area. And odds are, that means downtown HQ. I still think there's a good chance R&D ends up in the suburbs. Economically, it's pretty much the same for the region. Can't millionaire CEO's normally be able to afford multiple homes regardless? I see this as positive news, but I'm not exactly buying the cheering and jeering quite yet...The CEO, which is an interchangeable position anyways, having a mansion in Cleveland, while having the salary to afford multiple homes anyways doesn't really shine bright lights on SW next moves, imo at least ..
October 12, 20195 yr No offense intended, but given the ability to build a home anywhere, I cannot see a millionaire CEO building a mansion in the western suburbs of Cleveland, unless they intend to spend a considerable amount of time in it. Edited October 12, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder
October 12, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, Frmr CLEder said: No offense intended, but given the ability to build a home anywhere, I cannot see a millionaire CEO building a mansion in the suburbs of Cleveland, unless he intends to spend a considerable amount of time in it. Does he have kids that are enrolled in Cleveland schools? Any blood family in Cleveland? Part of any organizations/charaties? This very well could be his "main" home but still have a Luxery condo "business" home in a downtown Atlanta tower.
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