November 17, 20195 yr Just now, KJP said: "...Because I'm right, dammit, and no amount of scientific analysis is going to convince me otherwise that I'm no longer a spring chick!!!" ?
November 17, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, X said: Light usually travels in straight lines, but recent posts theorize that it's path can bend depending on the recollections of the observer and the design of the building. IT'S SCIENCE PEOPLE!!!!!!
November 17, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, MyTwoSense said: The SOHIO Building will block the view of any building on the Jacobs lot UNLESS the building is taller. I wish they would have made the Sohio/BP building taller but more tapered towards the top. Its stocky build blocks views of Terminal Tower from points east.
November 17, 20195 yr Author 13 minutes ago, CleveFan said: What’s the over/under on this thread getting locked again? Please don't get this locked. I have another tasty article coming tomorrow. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 17, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, X said: Light usually travels in straight lines, but recent posts theorize that it's path can bend depending on the recollections of the observer and the design of the building. IT'S SCIENCE PEOPLE!!!!!! It's called "gravitational lensing."
November 17, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, tastybunns said: @X like this but taller That could be interesting. I love the Chateau Fairmont in Quebec, but this is something I think would be more appropriate overlooking the cuyahoga in Ohio City (at the corner of Detroit/W 25 or W 25 and Franklin), this would be an amazing addition to Ohio City and fit into the neighborhood architecture. I could also see this on either sides of the flats. Even better behind Tower City, along Huron, but built in an Art Deco design.
November 17, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, tastybunns said: @X like this but taller Perfect for the Scranton Peninsula
November 17, 20195 yr 23 minutes ago, Watertiger1962 said: Perfect for the Scranton Peninsula The Scranton Fortress... If the SHW HQ doesn't end up being a glassy, avant-garde, 21st century tower, I think a well-executed(!) postmodern build could work nicely as well—three Midwest peer cities (DET, PIT, MKE) all feature something along those lines prominently in their skylines... "We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of paradise." - ????, ???????
November 18, 20195 yr I crave something iconic and bold that doesn’t exist in the United States. A WOW factor for all visitors to help shed the old image. I’m all for overcompensating with this.
November 18, 20195 yr Just a thought. I think posts like this is why the thread was locked. Collectively, I think we went too far off topic. My Fairmont hotel post, up-thread, included. Edited November 18, 20195 yr by MyTwoSense
November 18, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said: Just a thought. I think posts like this is why the thread was locked. Collectively, I think we went too far off topic. My Fairmont hotel post, up-thread, included. Just musing til @KJP grants us our fix.
November 18, 20195 yr Author 3 minutes ago, marty15 said: Just musing til @KJP grants us our fix. Just a little more patience. I'm waiting to see what's going to happen next in terms of COD filings. But I may have to update the article after it is published. We won't know what the designs will be for many months, but I am starting to get a clearer picture as to how many jobs will be involved. And it sounds like it could be amazing. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 18, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, KJP said: Just a little more patience. I'm waiting to see what's going to happen next in terms of COD filings. But I may have to update the article after it is published. We won't know what the designs will be for many months, but I am starting to get a clearer picture as to how many jobs will be involved. And it sounds like it could be amazing. Details, @KJP, Details! Lol
November 18, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, marty15 said: I love this building. Put a hotel on the top floors of the right side. Looks like a trachea and a pair of lungs sitting atop a diaghram. Breathtaking! Excuse the pun. Edited November 18, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder
November 18, 20195 yr This whole thread sometimes feels like: transformational economic impact? Big shiny building? Edited November 18, 20195 yr by LlamaLawyer And yes I realize I am partly guilty
November 18, 20195 yr 23 minutes ago, X said: Alright, folks, let's wait for some real news. This thread is dialed up. It’s like Christmas Eve up in here. Act natural @X
November 18, 20195 yr Author Monday, November 18, 2019 Sherwin-Williams' new HQ+R&D = 6,000 jobs for downtown Cleveland Sherwin-Williams' (SHW) top executives are urging department heads to consolidate as many activities and jobs as possible from around the world into its new headquarters and research facilities. The end result of that directive is that SHW's global headquarters plus research and development (HQ+R&D) center could add 2,500 jobs, bringing the total for the entire campus to 6,000 employees, according to sources who spoke off the record and provided internal company data. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/11/sherwin-williams-new-hqr-6000-jobs-for.html Edited November 18, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 18, 20195 yr On 11/16/2019 at 8:45 PM, Oldmanladyluck said: When the project is officially announced UO should have a celebration- and I will be personally buying KJP a beer! Since so many eyes are on this thread, maybe not happy hour but lunch? Please post any replies in this thread ? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
November 18, 20195 yr On 11/16/2019 at 8:45 PM, Oldmanladyluck said: When the project is officially announced UO should have a celebration- and I will be personally buying KJP a beer! I was going to suggest the same. Would be a good reason for a happy hour--somewhere near the site of course!
November 18, 20195 yr Rent a few parking spaces on Jacobs/Weston, throw up a few tables, have a catered lunch.
November 18, 20195 yr If anyone can get down to the Jacobs lot, there are currently multiple people at the bore holes taking samples. You could do your best @KJP impression and try to get some info.
November 18, 20195 yr Author Or pictures? ? Please don't forget to take pictures of the company names on service vehicles. Edited November 18, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 18, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said: Rent a few parking spaces on Jacobs/Weston, throw up a few tables, have a catered lunch. This from the guy who said it was too cold to come to Cleveland.?
November 18, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, Htsguy said: This from the guy who said it was too cold to come to Cleveland.? We’re freezing down here right now! Great job as usual @KJP. I echo everyone else’s sentiments that you are the best that Cleveland has for reporting!
November 18, 20195 yr 13 minutes ago, Htsguy said: This from the guy who said it was too cold to come to Cleveland.? Only during the winter months. Cleveland is beautiful and perfect during the summer.
November 18, 20195 yr As exciting as this is, I do hope they're able to find tenants for the spaces they'll be leaving in the suburbs. I'm all about growing dt cle but at the same time, its beneficial to have a humming hub AND humming spokes (suburbs). TLDR: Get the tower built and hand off real estate to some good firms to make good on the suburban tax bases.
November 18, 20195 yr 32 minutes ago, GISguy said: As exciting as this is, I do hope they're able to find tenants for the spaces they'll be leaving in the suburbs. I'm all about growing dt cle but at the same time, its beneficial to have a humming hub AND humming spokes (suburbs). TLDR: Get the tower built and hand off real estate to some good firms to make good on the suburban tax bases. I'd like to believe there would be a revenue sharing agreement between CLE and the suburbs. But with this deal, there probably won't be much tax revenue to share... Edited November 18, 20195 yr by PaxtonMarley
November 18, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, BradforPres2040 said: If anyone can get down to the Jacobs lot, there are currently multiple people at the bore holes taking samples. You could do your best @KJP impression and try to get some info. Try to contain your excitement ? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
November 18, 20195 yr Author Any company name(s) seen? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 18, 20195 yr Author That's OK, @MayDay. Another UrbanOhioan/spy code-named 007 was on site as well and took this picture. He noted that DRS Enterprises and Strategic Environmental are working on the Jacobs lot. The latter was monitoring one of the wells from the back of their Hummer. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 18, 20195 yr 23 minutes ago, MayDay said: Try to contain your excitement ? Maybe those were Urbanohio tailgaters watching things unfold! In all seriousness though, what does soil sampling actually do? Depth of bedrock? Soil makeup? I'm just curious...
November 18, 20195 yr Thanks for the usual great article KJP - The economic impact of SW’s decision to stay in CLE is going to be even bigger than one might initially realize. One line from the latest NEOtrans article that jumped out at me was that “the number of people visiting SHW’s seminars and 3-day training classes would fill more than 100 hotel rooms every weeknight for a year.” Talk about real impact, wow. That’s not even accounting for the restaurants and occasional sporting events, RRHF visits and shows that visitors might want to add to their work trips. Obviously beyond the skyline and the optics for Cleveland, there is an incredible effect at “street level” - a renewed energy from real people and real jobs. Yea, sign me up for that Urban Ohio Party. I’ll bring the Diet Coke. Edited November 18, 20195 yr by CleveFan
November 18, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, CleveFan said: Thanks for the usual great article KJP - The economic impact of SW’s decision to stay in CLE is going to be even bigger than one might initially realize. One line from the latest NEOtrans article that jumped out at me was that “the number of people visiting SHW’s seminars and 3-day training classes would fill more than 100 hotel rooms every weeknight for a year.” Talk about real impact, wow. That’s not even accounting for the restaurants and occasional sporting events, RRHF visits and shows that visitors might want to add to their work trips. Obviously beyond the skyline and the optics for Cleveland, there is an incredible effect at “street level” - a renewed energy from real people and real jobs. Yea, sign me up for that Urban Ohio Party. I’ll bring the Diet Coke. Should more than make up for the loss of the Lebron effect. All those people who came to town stayed in hotels and ate at restaurants while in town to catch a Cavs game.
November 18, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: Should more than make up for the loss of the Lebron effect. All those people who came to town stayed in hotels and ate at restaurants while in town to catch a Cavs game. Makes me wonder if they’ll have a hotel component to their complex. Thinking like how Comcast put a 4 Seasons hotel on the top floors of their Philly building.
November 18, 20195 yr Author 47 minutes ago, cfdwarrior said: Maybe those were Urbanohio tailgaters watching things unfold! In all seriousness though, what does soil sampling actually do? Depth of bedrock? Soil makeup? I'm just curious... From what I understand (and I hope @Jenny and others will correct me), they aren't soil testing. That should have happened in 2015 when AECOM commissioned the geotech surveys of the Jacobs lot for SHW. When I asked a construction expert if that data is still valid, he said that the 2015 data won't change for hundreds or even thousands of years. The fact that they drilled water wells, capped them and are revisiting them for testing/draining, is exciting to me. It tells me they are beyond debating whether to buy but are preparing for construction. Of course, construction is more than a year off, but this seems to be the kind of prep work you do in advance of constructing a big building. Edited November 18, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 18, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, marty15 said: Makes me wonder if they’ll have a hotel component to their complex. Thinking like how Comcast put a 4 Seasons hotel on the top floors of their Philly building. Perhaps to add the Myles Garrett Institute for Anger Management? Sorry couldn't resist.
November 18, 20195 yr This must be very nerve racking for the employees. Hopefully, for their sake, there will be an announcement soon.
November 18, 20195 yr 38 minutes ago, skiwest said: This must be very nerve racking for the employees. Hopefully, for their sake, there will be an announcement soon. If I were an employee, I wouldn't be concerned at all. The CEO just built a multi-million dollar mansion on the cliffs above Lake Erie.
November 18, 20195 yr 57 minutes ago, KJP said: From what I understand (and I hope @Jenny and others will correct me), they aren't soil testing. That should have happened in 2015 when AECOM commissioned the geotech surveys of the Jacobs lot for SHW. When I asked a construction expert if that data is still valid, he said that the 2015 data won't change for hundreds or even thousands of years. The fact that they drilled water wells, capped them and are revisiting them for testing/draining, is exciting to me. It tells me they are beyond debating whether to buy but are preparing for construction. Of course, construction is more than a year off, but this seems to be the kind of prep work you do in advance of constructing a big building. The guys in the above photo appear to be doing environmental groundwater sampling.
November 18, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, staph79 said: The guys in the above photo appear to be doing environmental groundwater sampling. Looks like it, hence the coolers. The samples need to be sent out to the lab in coolers.
November 18, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, cfdwarrior said: Maybe those were Urbanohio tailgaters watching things unfold! In all seriousness though, what does soil sampling actually do? Depth of bedrock? Soil makeup? I'm just curious... Although I don’t work in commercial construction (heavy highway/public infrastructure here), soil sampling is necessary to design the foundations for these structures. If it’s a shallow foundation (i.e. pad) you’ll know what the allowable bearing is for that location. For deep foundations (i.e. piles) you’ll get an idea of the depth of bedrock, what type of deep foundation will be needed, and how deep/how many there will be. There is always some unknown with geology, but you need to know all this before you start construction because it decreases risk and makes cost estimates more accurate. Edit: an example of the results Edited November 18, 20195 yr by Enginerd Attachment
November 18, 20195 yr I assume there was no soil/groundwater sampling done for the AmeriTrust tower that was planned for that site.
November 18, 20195 yr Sounds interesting although you need a subscription to read the story. PPG adds to considerable Cleveland presence as Ohio competitor mulls HQ and R&D locations https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2019/11/12/pittsburgh-primed-for-an-epic-paint-battle-as.html https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/10/ppg-adds-research-lab-at-cleveland-coatings-plant-with-eye-toward-electric-driverless-vehicles.html Edited November 18, 20195 yr by Florida Guy
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