September 4, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: Longer if demolition downtown came into play, correct? Possibly but not necessarily. A building/complex of this size is going to take major engineering of foundations, steel, utilities, infrastructure upgrades.... All that design & engineering work happens while demo could get started. A lot of demo could occur over 4-6 months while engineering & steel is ordered
September 4, 20195 yr ^How about we just pray that the only demo happening for this project is the removal of asphalt
September 4, 20195 yr @Geowizical could you do a rendering of a Sherwin Williams "complex" of sorts... say 3 buildings at 350-700 feet? Btw your first rendering was REALLY cool, nice stuff
September 4, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, YABO713 said: @Geowizical could you do a rendering of a Sherwin Williams "complex" of sorts... say 3 buildings at 350-700 feet? Btw your first rendering was REALLY cool, nice stuff Can do!
September 4, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, YABO713 said: @Geowizical could you do a rendering of a Sherwin Williams "complex" of sorts... say 3 buildings at 350-700 feet? Btw your first rendering was REALLY cool, nice stuff Is this a hint at something?? ?
September 4, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, CLE_Millennial said: Is this a hint at something?? ? Hopefully not! We need a 1,000++
September 4, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Oh @YABO713 why'd you have to ruin it by saying "nucleus"?? ? So you’re saying Bob Stark is wooing SW for Nucleus??!!? Im kidding, right?
September 4, 20195 yr Just now, NR said: Hopefully not! We need a 1,000++ Idk... If we get all those west side parking lots developed I'd say that's a huge win. Having a single tall building is cool, but developing all these parking lots might be better in my opinion. Plus 700 feet is still tall.
September 4, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, CleCaneFan said: So you’re saying Bob Stark is wooing SW for Nucleus??!!? Im kidding, right? Holy crap if that happened to be the case.
September 4, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, CLE_Millennial said: Idk... If we get all those west side parking lots developed I'd say that's a huge win. Having a single tall building is cool, but developing all these parking lots might be better in my opinion. Plus 700 feet is still tall. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely want to see all of those lots filled in! I just think for SHW and what they mean to CLE and all, I think something bigger would be better. I'd rather see either a 1,500 or so all in one(HQ, R&D, parking), or a 1,300(ish) HQ and a 600(ish) R&D and parking.
September 4, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, CleCaneFan said: So you’re saying Bob Stark is wooing SW for Nucleus??!!? Im kidding, right? Before this derails - my use of the word nucleus was ACCIDENTAL - let's temper those rumors before they spread.
September 4, 20195 yr To ensure that they are not landlocked in the future to provide for future growth SHW should build the main HQ at Jacobs lot and then buy the large West 3rd and Superior parking lot to provide plenty of room for growth and space for a combo garage/research center building too! Edited September 4, 20195 yr by Larry1962
September 4, 20195 yr ^The planned Ameritrust Tower had a parking garage on that lot across West 3rd. Seems pretty likely we'd see something similar for any tower proposed for the Jacobs lot.
September 4, 20195 yr Author 19 minutes ago, CleCaneFan said: So you’re saying Bob Stark is wooing SW for Nucleus??!!? Im kidding, right? Noooo!! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 4, 20195 yr What is the current class A office occupancy rate in downtown Cleveland? Reason why I ask is because the corporation that I work for was originally going to build a second office tower and a new parking garage...we were being told this for the past 2 years, then a new CEO came in, and decided to scrap those plans, and save that money towards investing towards internal resources that would help increase revenue...and expanded by leasing more class a office spaces during the hiring frenzy.
September 4, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, troeros said: What is the current class A office occupancy rate in downtown Cleveland? 86.9% at the end of June according to: https://www.downtowncleveland.com/DCA/media/DCA_Media/2019-Q2-REPORT-005.pdf Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
September 4, 20195 yr Author Tell people to stop calling me! It's slowing me down. ? Edited September 4, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 4, 20195 yr Author Here ya go..... WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 2019 Sherwin-Williams HQ, R&D sites identified A high-level source has identified that the Jacobs Group-owned lot on Cleveland's Public Square, as well as a portion of the neighboring Weston Group-owned parking lots in the Superblock, are the favored location for Sherwin-Williams (SHW) new headquarters tower. And it is the preferred location for the coatings giant's new research facility, as well. The source also confirmed an earlier report that the HQ plus research and development center would measure 1.8 million total. And he also confirmed that they were the subject of a request for qualifications (RFQ) sent several weeks ago to Cleveland-area construction management firms. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-hq-r-sites-identified.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 4, 20195 yr Oh man, that parking demand is going to be something slightly scary to keep an eye on.
September 4, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, StapHanger said: Oh man, that parking demand is going to be something slightly scary to keep an eye on. but perhaps some of the surface lots will be turned into structured parking which is an improvement. I also see SW employees on RTA frequently. Hopefully, a decent portion of the employees will get there via RTA.
September 4, 20195 yr Author 11 minutes ago, StapHanger said: Oh man, that parking demand is going to be something slightly scary to keep an eye on. What I find interesting about that is that parking is considered outside the scope of the HQ+R&D project. That puts downtown and the suburbs on a much more even keel when it comes to measuring and comparing costs and difficulty. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 4, 20195 yr Calling it now...With such a high demand for parking, I bet Weston incorporates it into a much larger mixed use development on those lots. I can't imagine financing being too much of a hurdle with 6000 plus employees needing immediate demand for parking and dining. Add in the fact that a fraction of those 6000 employees will need somewhere to live and all of the ancillary companies that may want to follow suit, and we have the perfect storm to FINALLY build on those dreaded lots. This has so much more potential to be transformative than Nucleus.
September 4, 20195 yr 28 minutes ago, KJP said: Here ya go..... WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 2019 Sherwin-Williams HQ, R&D sites identified A high-level source has identified that the Jacobs Group-owned lot on Cleveland's Public Square, as well as a portion of the neighboring Weston Group-owned parking lots in the Superblock, are the favored location for Sherwin-Williams (SHW) new headquarters tower. And it is the preferred location for the coatings giant's new research facility, as well. The source also confirmed an earlier report that the HQ plus research and development center would measure 1.8 million total. And he also confirmed that they were the subject of a request for qualifications (RFQ) sent several weeks ago to Cleveland-area construction management firms. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-hq-r-sites-identified.html Their R&D facility would make a great anchor tenant for the proposed downtown microgrid. I wonder what their reliability requirements are? Edited September 4, 20195 yr by ASP1984
September 4, 20195 yr 24 minutes ago, StapHanger said: Oh man, that parking demand is going to be something slightly scary to keep an eye on. Don't a large % of these employees find their own parking downtown already? I know a lot of downtown firms that do not provide parking for their employees... It's close enough to terminal tower to just continue parking there. I would think SW would not need to provide, but I'm sure at least some will be built in by the developer. Does SW own the landmark building? Would be a great apt conversion but such a massive scale is a tough project.
September 4, 20195 yr Author 5 minutes ago, RMB said: Does SW own the landmark building? Would be a great apt conversion but such a massive scale is a tough project. Yes. They also own a lot of land along the river as well.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 4, 20195 yr 3 minutes ago, RMB said: Don't a large % of these employees find their own parking downtown already? I know a lot of downtown firms that do not provide parking for their employees... It's close enough to terminal tower to just continue parking there. I would think SW would not need to provide, but I'm sure at least some will be built in by the developer. Does SW own the landmark building? Would be a great apt conversion but such a massive scale is a tough project. That's what I was wondering. It's not like there is a massive parking structure for the Landmark building for employees to park at. I'd also love to know how many employees live downtown. With the growing number of apartments coming online, it'd be great if the percentage of employees living downtown was growing. If this gets built how we are all hoping it gets built; I'm excited to see the spinoff development this creates in the surround area.
September 4, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, KJP said: Yes. They also own a lot of land along the river as well.... What a great opportunity to create the Sherwin Williams river front recreation trail.
September 4, 20195 yr ^The net absorbtion was negative- a company probably left. Which one- who knows... doesn't mean the entire market is soft. I'll bet a beer that it's back up to around 90% by the next report. And back to Sherwin Williams... Cleveland Browns presented by Sherwin Williams announcement tomorrow ? Could it be the new face of replacing the Guardian currently on the side of their building? We'll see... Edited September 4, 20195 yr by Oldmanladyluck
September 4, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said: ^The net absorbtion was negative- a company probably left. Which one- who knows... doesn't mean the entire market is soft. I'll bet a beer that it's back up to around 90% by the next report. And back to Sherwin Williams... Cleveland Browns presented by Sherwin Williams announcement tomorrow ? Not a SHW announcement, but a cool one nonetheless... The announcement is about the Brown's Color Rush jerseys being named the primary team jersey for the season. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852393-look-browns-announce-brown-color-rush-jerseys-will-be-primary-uniforms-in-2019 Because Sherwin Williams = Colors Edited September 4, 20195 yr by Geowizical
September 4, 20195 yr A pedestrian bridge over Superior could also be a way for them to link back to the TC/Landmark/Ritz/Renaissance parking garage/Rapid Station. I’m sure all the Minneapolis transplants would be cool with it. Edited September 4, 20195 yr by marty15
September 4, 20195 yr Aren't more and more large corporations turning against the grain of a sole corporate skyscraper? For instance I look at Amazon HQ, Apple HQ, Walmart's new 350 Acre HQ..They are all designed to look like college campuses, with a community meeting space, a corporate lawn to do goat yoga, basketball courts, gym facility, etc. Millennial's have a different definition of the word, "corporate" nowadays. They expect a dress code that doesn't prohibit their idea of expression, they expect a built in espresso bar/Starbucks, a modern cafeteria with vegan options, a free onsite gym, a recreational lawn where you can do goat yoga, play basketball, ping pong, etc. You have to really sell your company nowadays to millennial's, and many don't want to work in a boxed skyscraper, they want, "space" and a laundry list of free corporate amenities, hence the reason for many of these corporate campuses. Edited September 4, 20195 yr by troeros
September 4, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, troeros said: Aren't more and more large corporations turning against the grain of a sole corporate skyscraper? For instance I look at Amazon HQ, Apple HQ, Walmart's new 350 Acre HQ..They are all designed to look like college campuses, with a community meeting space, a corporate lawn to do goat yoga, basketball courts, gym facility, etc. Millennial's have a different definition of the word, "corporate" nowadays. They expect a dress code that doesn't prohibit their idea of expression, they expect a built in espresso bar/Starbucks, a modern cafeteria with vegan options, a free onsite gym, a recreational lawn where you can do goat yoga, play basketball, ping pong, etc. You have to really sell your company nowadays to millennial's, and many don't want to work in a boxed skyscraper, they want, "space" and a laundry list of free corporate amenities, hence the reason for many of these corporate campuses. This is the general idea behind the corporate campus concept I'm going to start rendering at the request of @YABO713. Stay tuned! Edited September 4, 20195 yr by Geowizical
September 4, 20195 yr Author It's not known how tall the headquarters/research facilities will be. The only things I've learned are the general location of the site, total square footage, construction management firms contacted, and that parking isn't counted in the square footage. I'm still going on the last assumption about SHW's HQ at this location, which was that it would be in an iconic skyscraper. You may very well be correct that the 1.8 million square feet will be spread out across the entire 7-8 acres of the Weston and Jacobs lots. It may well look more like Weston's original vision for the Superblock..... Edited September 4, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 4, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, marty15 said: A pedestrian bridge over Superior could also be a way for them to link back to the TC/Landmark/Ritz/Renaissance parking garage/Rapid Station. I’m sure all the Minneapolis transplants would be cool with it. Everyone here on Urban Ohio would be against a pedestrian bridge. We want people on the street.
September 4, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, simplythis said: Everyone here on Urban Ohio would be against a pedestrian bridge. We want people on the street. Even if it saves SHW from building a massive parking garage on Weston lots?
September 4, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, troeros said: Aren't more and more large corporations turning against the grain of a sole corporate skyscraper? For instance I look at Amazon HQ, Apple HQ, Walmart's new 350 Acre HQ..They are all designed to look like college campuses, with a community meeting space, a corporate lawn to do goat yoga, basketball courts, gym facility, etc. Millennial's have a different definition of the word, "corporate" nowadays. They expect a dress code that doesn't prohibit their idea of expression, they expect a built in espresso bar/Starbucks, a modern cafeteria with vegan options, a free onsite gym, a recreational lawn where you can do goat yoga, play basketball, ping pong, etc. You have to really sell your company nowadays to millennial's, and many don't want to work in a boxed skyscraper, they want, "space" and a laundry list of free corporate amenities, hence the reason for many of these corporate campuses. I agree with this, in part. I'm 29 and loving working on the 22nd floor of a building downtown, though.
September 4, 20195 yr Could it be possible that there would be a theoretical 'no need' for parking? It's right across from TT, so I can see a lot more added ridership potentially making this a transient subsidized development. Considering the sheer size of this project, they could just build a pedestrian tunnel directly to HQ. Edited September 4, 20195 yr by tastybunns
September 5, 20195 yr Thanks to @KJP for using my Sketchup renderings in today's blog post! It's great to know they're being put to good use in order to stir the Sherwin-Williams paint can, so to speak ? Speaking of stirring the paint can... First I presented the 1000+ option, for the those who'd like to build it big and build it supertall... Now I must to present the other option, for those who'd like to build it dense with many, slightly shorter buildings... At the request of @YABO713, here it is: the alternative package to the 1000+ option. This brand-spanking-new package features: 750 ft HQ building 430 ft HQ or R&D building 330 ft R&D building and as an added bonus: More green-space for downtown! The great modern campus feel you know and love from your college days! Potential room for retail, lifestyle, and other entertainment options! Invisible walkways! (or they could just be underground!) No depressing parking lots of misery!
September 5, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, troeros said: Aren't more and more large corporations turning against the grain of a sole corporate skyscraper? For instance I look at Amazon HQ, Apple HQ, Walmart's new 350 Acre HQ..They are all designed to look like college campuses, with a community meeting space, a corporate lawn to do goat yoga, basketball courts, gym facility, etc. Millennial's have a different definition of the word, "corporate" nowadays. They expect a dress code that doesn't prohibit their idea of expression, they expect a built in espresso bar/Starbucks, a modern cafeteria with vegan options, a free onsite gym, a recreational lawn where you can do goat yoga, play basketball, ping pong, etc. You have to really sell your company nowadays to millennial's, and many don't want to work in a boxed skyscraper, they want, "space" and a laundry list of free corporate amenities, hence the reason for many of these corporate campuses. For every Apple campus, there’s a Salesforce Tower. Everyone out there wants a Apple/Amazon/GOOGLE/Microsoft on their resume. Location for them at this point isn’t as critical. For most other corps, location in a dense, urban environment is everything.
September 5, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said: ^The net absorbtion was negative- a company probably left. Which one- who knows... doesn't mean the entire market is soft. I'll bet a beer that it's back up to around 90% by the next report. And back to Sherwin Williams... Cleveland Browns presented by Sherwin Williams announcement tomorrow ? Could it be the new face of replacing the Guardian currently on the side of their building? We'll see... ^The net absorbtion was negative because several firms has down sized their space requirements when renewing their leases. Vocon and similar firms redesign their client's office space by incorporating open space type of offices.
September 5, 20195 yr 37 minutes ago, Terdolph said: A walkway under Superior is more likely. A walkway under Superior is very unlikely because of the massive amounts of utilities like electric, fiber optics, water mains, sewer mains ect. under Superior Avenue. Unless they go really deep like City of Cleveland had to do when they built the pedestrian tunnel under Lakeside Avenue to connect the HILTON to the County Garage.
September 5, 20195 yr 31 minutes ago, Geowizical said: Thanks to @KJP for using my Sketchup renderings in today's blog post! It's great to know they're being put to good use in order to stir the Sherwin-Williams paint can, so to speak ? Speaking of stirring the paint can... First I presented the 1000+ option, for the those who'd like to build it big and build it supertall... Now I must to present the other option, for those who'd like to build it dense with many, slightly shorter buildings... At the request of @YABO713, here it is: the alternative package to the 1000+ option. This brand-spanking-new package features: 750 ft HQ building 430 ft HQ or R&D building 330 ft R&D building and as an added bonus: More green-space for downtown! The great modern campus feel you know and love from your college days! Potential room for retail, lifestyle, and other entertainment options! Invisible walkways! (or they could just be underground!) No depressing parking lots of misery! I LOVEEEEE this version
September 5, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, YABO713 said: I LOVEEEEE this version Can't go wrong with either version. It's like choosing between chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Some like one better than the other - but at the end of the day - it's ice cream (i.e., a shiny new headquarters) so....
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