October 12, 20195 yr 25 minutes ago, troeros said: Does he have kids that are enrolled in Cleveland schools? Any blood family in Cleveland? Part of any organizations/charaties? This very well could be his "main" home but still have a Luxery condo "business" home in a downtown Atlanta tower. It is my understanding that his two favorite mistresses live in Cleveland and one is afraid to fly and the other ate some bad shell fish in Atlanta.
October 12, 20195 yr Well.. at least this time it took more than a full day for this thread to go off the rails.
October 12, 20195 yr 40 minutes ago, troeros said: Does he have kids that are enrolled in Cleveland schools? Any blood family in Cleveland? Part of any organizations/charaties? This very well could be his "main" home but still have a Luxery condo "business" home in a downtown Atlanta tower. 1. He and his wife are major Cleveland philanthropists 2. Again, no offense, but downtown Atlanta would not even remotely be considered the location of a second home
October 12, 20195 yr Why are we still debating the merit of the new home when it’s been said by multiple people with great sources that they aren’t going anywhere? The home is great news for reasons that people pointed out but regardless that’s not the main reason why people are saying they are staying.
October 12, 20195 yr I think what’s interesting is options 3 and 4. Based on what we’ve heard from the Haslam’s, those are pretty ripe contenders for a future stadium. I wonder if S-W and the Browns have been talking about a collab.
October 12, 20195 yr 41 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said: Why are we still debating the merit of the new home when it’s been said by multiple people with great sources that they aren’t going anywhere? The home is great news for reasons that people pointed out but regardless that’s not the main reason why people are saying they are staying. Thank you! People with proven sources have said it’s very likely they’re staying and very likely they’re staying in downtown. Why are we burying the lede here people?!
October 12, 20195 yr If the HQ does end up being a tower of some sort, I hope it has some color! Whether it's the bluish/green of the Lumen and Hilton towers, the dark Bronze/green of Tower at Erieview, or the aluminum of Ernst & Young, I hope it has a different color than all the beige and off-beige buildings Downtown Cleveland is home to.
October 12, 20195 yr Htsguy ? My sources are saying... that was just an observation/opinion that not all CEOs live where the headquarters of their companies are.
October 12, 20195 yr Author 52 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: If the HQ does end up being a tower of some sort, I hope it has some color! Whether it's the bluish/green of the Lumen and Hilton towers, the dark Bronze/green of Tower at Erieview, or the aluminum of Ernst & Young, I hope it has a different color than all the beige and off-beige buildings Downtown Cleveland is home to. I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 12, 20195 yr 31 minutes ago, KJP said: I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. Works for me.
October 12, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. Main building....may not beat Key Tower in height. So, what you're saying is there multiple buildings with at least one very tall, probably at least skyline altering and possibly larger than Key.
October 12, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. I hope it stands out like the three tallest buildings to the left in this pic!
October 12, 20195 yr Author Thanks for the picture with Buckingham Fountain. Now I've got the song "Love and Marriage" running through my head... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 12, 20195 yr 53 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: I hope it stands out like the three tallest buildings to the left in this pic! Just as long as it's not red. Lol.
October 12, 20195 yr So while we were all fretting about possibly losing S-H they were doing their due diligence (evaluating possible locations) AND at the same time designing their new headquarters? Such that the design will dove-tail seamlessly with the chosen location? Walk and chew gum at the same time as they say. What's interesting to me about that approach is how can you design a complex without knowing where you're going to build or if you even control the site? If the above is credible and they ARE building on Jocobs/Westin then S-H already knew where they were going and they already had an agreement to purchase those properties. At any rate, like most (all?) of us here we thrilled that S-H is staying home and staying downtown. Now if only we could have kept Eaton and gotten Progressive to build downtown. Oh well. I guess we'll just have to be thankful for S-H and go from there.
October 12, 20195 yr I just hope they have some great lighting at night. Terminal Tower has set a nice bar locally with that. I'd like to see something that moves and is part of the building itself, instead of just a static display or lighting up the architecture. I've always loved the City of Capitals (second and third towers in the pic) for their light display. The LEDs move so the lights look like water dripping down. Edited October 12, 20195 yr by PoshSteve double posted photo
October 12, 20195 yr If the SW HQ tower is shorter than Key Tower, I suspect that its design will be somewhat dramatic and iconic.
October 13, 20195 yr I have my fantasies too, but before the topic derails again i'd like to share something i've made on mspaint quite a while ago regarding the new SW headquarters. Just for lighting sake I love LED honeycomb, I've seen it used at Ohio State University i believe in one of their Engineering buildings, at night it's just so vibrant and colorful, but also provides a nice relaxing place to settle down and study. Also, as you can tell I love spires, Let it be so bright you can see it from freaking Canada... Edited October 13, 20195 yr by tastybunns
October 13, 20195 yr 10 hours ago, Htsguy said: It is my understanding that his two favorite mistresses live in Cleveland and one is afraid to fly and the other ate some bad shell fish in Atlanta.
October 13, 20195 yr https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/poor-air-service-hobbles-sherwin-williams-hq-bid A lot of hot air, hopefully.
October 13, 20195 yr This issue has been discussed upthread with convenient global connections via ORD, LAX, JFK, and EWR.
October 13, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, bwheats said: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/poor-air-service-hobbles-sherwin-williams-hq-bid A lot of hot air, hopefully. It's like a game of ping pong between KJP and other writers. ?
October 13, 20195 yr 15 hours ago, marty15 said: Just pluck one of these from the Doha skyline and I’m good. Ahh yes. Cleveland Cliffs, make way for the Cleveland Cobs. We'll be the envy of the entire Midwest!
October 13, 20195 yr Author 1 hour ago, jjames0408 said: It's like a game of ping pong between KJP and other writers. ? My next shot comes tomorrow. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: My next shot comes tomorrow. We don’t mind the poor grammar and typos if you want to move your deadline up!
October 13, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: My next shot comes tomorrow. Is this the equivalent of journalistic "foreplay"? ??♂️
October 13, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, bwheats said: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/poor-air-service-hobbles-sherwin-williams-hq-bid A lot of hot air, hopefully. When I first read that headline I got real nervous-like Stan might have some sort of inside information. Then I read the article and realized it was a puff piece basically stating the obvious which anyone of us on the forum could have written. Most annoying is Stan's favorite technique of going to industry specialist's who actually have nothing to do with the project (in this instance re-location consultants) to obtain quotes and bolster the article even though he clearly already knew what they are going to say (in fact he could have approached my tenth grade niece and she would have given the same quotes). At least he made an attempt to get quotes from SHW and community leaders but there was basically nothing there. If Stan is going to ruin my Sunday morning with a headline like that, he should actually include some news. Or at least change the headline to something like " As everybody and their mother knows, Cleveland's poor air service is a real negative for Sherwin Williams and Cleveland's other global companies". By the way I really enjoyed his companion article on Bo Knez.
October 13, 20195 yr 27 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Then I read the article and realized it was a puff piece basically stating the obvious which anyone of us on the forum could have written. totally agree - what a misleading headline followed by nothing more than extremely bland speculation that was as insightful as some man-in-the-street interview. I don't want this thread to be locked again but let me just say this: despite whatever index cited in this piece and used by "experts", there is not one domestic business center of relevance to SHW that is currently underserved by the existing inventory of commercial flights out of KCLE. And if a direct doesn't currently exist, most business centers in the U.S. are still reachable from KCLE with a maximum of two hops. Same for international. Two hops max. I am glad the article mentions this however not until the very end and only after you realize this important fact belies the misleading headline that preceded it. Akron and Columbus are both home to combined 15-20 legacy Fortune 1000 companies that all presumably seem to make gobs of money for their shareholders while still being able to attract talent year after year. Hopkins has those airports beat in terms of total annual passenger rate and daily non-stop destinations (by multiple carriers) by an objectively large margin. Again, not saying that Hopkins does not have its issues. But let's please stop pretending that Cleveland Hopkins is Manchester, NH or Buffalo, NY
October 13, 20195 yr 19 hours ago, KJP said: Thanks for the picture with Buckingham Fountain. Now I've got the song "Love and Marriage" running through my head... Well that's Kind Of A Drag. (Let's see if anyone gets this....)
October 13, 20195 yr 18 hours ago, marty15 said: Just pluck one of these from the Doha skyline and I’m good. Bet I can guess the jist of the orange one's nickname. And it's not "Trump Tower".....
October 13, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Well that's Kind Of A Drag. (Let's see if anyone gets this....) (couldn't help myself, but I had to answer in this manner. Nobody appropriately uses a DWP gif like me!) ? Edited October 13, 20195 yr by MyTwoSense
October 13, 20195 yr On 10/12/2019 at 1:54 PM, KJP said: I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. Please be taller then Key Tower, please be taller!!! Hopefully the main tower is at least 1,001ft.
October 13, 20195 yr Author You will be disappointed "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, KJP said: You will be disappointed If they're building multiple 20 plus story towers I sure won't be disappointed.
October 13, 20195 yr 28 minutes ago, KJP said: You will be disappointed Ill never fully understand the obsession with height. Better to have a city filled with midrises throughout like many historic European cities than a small area of supertall buildings and the rest being low density.
October 13, 20195 yr 7 minutes ago, tykaps said: Ill never fully understand the obsession with height. Better to have a city filled with midrises throughout like many historic European cities than a small area of supertall buildings and the rest being low density. Cleveland skyline could use a high rise or 6. That’s why it’s skyline sort of lacks compared to peer midsized cities.
October 13, 20195 yr Retracting ill-advised off-topic post Edited October 13, 20195 yr by bumsquare Retracting ill-advised off-topic post
October 13, 20195 yr 52 minutes ago, tykaps said: Ill never fully understand the obsession with height. Better to have a city filled with midrises throughout like many historic European cities than a small area of supertall buildings and the rest being low density. It's the tallest buildings that define a skyline and make it distinctive.
October 13, 20195 yr 34 minutes ago, bumsquare said: Do you mean besides having more 300+, 400+, 500+, 600+, 700+, 800+, and 900+ than Cincinnati and Columbus? Hard to tell that from most skyline pics ...example of Cincy skyline compared to Cleveland. Not trying to start a skyline debate/war. Just saying a taller building would help fill out Cleveland skyline Abit, that's all.
October 13, 20195 yr Author Guys, don't get this thread locked. Pretty cool little article coming out tomorrow. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: You will be disappointed As much as I would like to see a tower surpass Key in height, I'm kind of liking the idea of a 6 or 7 hundred foot tower, or two flanking Key on the west side. It would help to balance the skyline, which is weighted heavily with the 9th street corridor, with fewer towers to the west of Public Square. Can someone do a massing illustrating that? Edited October 13, 20195 yr by Mov2Ohio
October 13, 20195 yr 15 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: As much as I would like to see a tower surpass Key in height, I'm kind of liking the idea of a 6 or 7 hundred foot tower, or two flanking Key on the west side. It would help to balance the skyline, which is weighted heavily with the 9th street corridor, with fewer towers to the west of Public Square. Can someone do a massing illustrating that? Already did this a while back...
October 14, 20195 yr 13 hours ago, troeros said: 145.65 kB · 0 downloads Hard to tell that from most skyline pics ...example of Cincy skyline compared to Cleveland. Not trying to start a skyline debate/war. Just saying a taller building would help fill out Cleveland skyline Abit, that's all. Proportionality is important though. 200 Public Square is only 16 feet shorter than GAT, and taller than anything in Columbus. And it's the shortest of the triple towers on Public Square by a good margin. Downtown Cleveland is much more impressive coming from the west, by the way. Edited October 14, 20195 yr by E Rocc
October 14, 20195 yr 17 hours ago, MyTwoSense said: (couldn't help myself, but I had to answer in this manner. Nobody appropriately uses a DWP gif like me!) ? LOL okay, five yards for obscure reference. The song "Kind of a Drag" was a huge hit for the Buckinghams, a Chicago band who claimed to have named themselves after the fountain, but were clearly attempting to sound English.
October 14, 20195 yr Author MONDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2019 Sherwin-Williams HQ+R&D will be in downtown Cleveland Not only will Sherwin-Williams' new headquarters plus research and development facilities be located in downtown Cleveland, but the coatings giant also chose its construction manager, learned the amount of its public incentives package and set its deadline for announcing its HQ+R&D site. By the end of this month, SHW reportedly expects to announce the site for its new HQ+R&D, according to two sources. The $1 billion, 1.8-million-square-foot HQ+R&D will be built adjacent to each other on whatever site is chosen and they will consolidate up to 6,000 SHW employees from throughout Northeast Ohio, Minneapolis and potentially other locations. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/10/sherwin-williams-hqr-will-be-in.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 14, 20195 yr Thank you for the above article Ken. I personally hope they build on Jacobs/Weston lots. IMO filling the empty lots and empty west quadrant on Public Square would Have a more dynamic and immediate impact downtown . And personally I was hoping it would be taller than just 40 stories. That’s a little disappointing if true. The other three locations would be more isolated and we are still left with empty lots in our downtown.
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