December 4, 20195 yr 23 minutes ago, marty15 said: Was there anyone from NEORSD on site? Or show any presence? In an odd, but not unusual agreement, the City of Cleveland Division of Water Pollution Control owns and maintains the sewers within the city. Edited December 4, 20195 yr by Enginerd
December 4, 20195 yr 28 minutes ago, marty15 said: Was there anyone from NEORSD on site? Or show any presence? Nope.....Its the same company that was doing the drilling.
December 5, 20195 yr On 12/2/2019 at 10:31 AM, Cleburger said: Of course it's a publicly traded company so budget is the ultimate deciding factor. But this doesn't mean they don't consider building an iconic tower. It happens all the time....Comcast Center in Philly, Bank of America in Charlotte, hell even the P&G buildings in downtown Cincinnati have their own iconic spin on the skyline ? I'm not sure which Comcast Center you're referring to, but I'm guessing the newest, the Technology Center. Comcast is #32 on the Fortune 500 (SW #177), in the 6th largest city in the U.S.. And their tower is only 60 stories with a hotel and retail. You're asking for 90 stories.
December 5, 20195 yr 27 minutes ago, yanni_gogolak said: I'm not sure which Comcast Center you're referring to, but I'm guessing the newest, the Technology Center. Comcast is #32 on the Fortune 500 (SW #177), in the 6th largest city in the U.S.. And their tower is only 60 stories with a hotel and retail. You're asking for 90 stories. I wasn't asking for anything--I was responding to someone asking for 90 stories ? It was so far up the thread I don't remember who.... But to your point, Comcast built the 57 story Comcast Center, then followed up with the 60 story Technology Center, both the tallest buildings in Philadelphia and therefore, somewhat Iconic. My point was that just because a company is public doesn't mean they would automatically rule out a tall tower based on cost.
December 5, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, Cleburger said: I wasn't asking for anything--I was responding to someone asking for 90 stories ? It was so far up the thread I don't remember who.... But to your point, Comcast built the 57 story Comcast Center, then followed up with the 60 story Technology Center, both the tallest buildings in Philadelphia and therefore, somewhat Iconic. My point was that just because a company is public doesn't mean they would automatically rule out a tall tower based on cost. Agreed, but my whole point was that they don't have a need for a building of the size being requested. They would have empty space which they would have to rent or leave dark. I can't see something like that being approved unless another anchor was signed on.
December 5, 20195 yr Author 18 hours ago, mack34 said: Nope.....Its the same company that was doing the drilling. I've been thinking about this.... So during the week of Nov. 18, DRS Enterprises drilled groundwater wells in the Jacobs lot for Strategic Environmental Services to extract water samples for testing. SES primary business is to conduct environmental remediation and waste disposal. I think they found sanitary sewer infiltration into the groundwater below the Jacobs lot. Merely a week later (including the day before Thanksgiving and then the day after Thanksgiving), DRS crews were on West 3rd, West 2nd, Superior, West 6th and West 9th, running cameras through the sewers, then putting roughly two-inch diameter plastic tubing through the sewers (was it to re-line them or was it to jet them -- and what is "them"? Was it the city's high-pressure waterlines or was it the city's sanitary collectors?), then cutting pavement above laterals for later removal. And this week, DRS is removing that cut pavement and digging down to the sewers apparently to do spot repairs. Now how does the city move that fast unless it was to activate a contractor that is on standby to do emergency repairs? But if it was an emergency repair at the behest of the city, then why did this all start with DRS doing groundwater testing from a private property (Jacobs lot) which requires getting the law department involved (if it was the city) to secure access? Why wouldn't the city drill into a public right of way, especially a lightly used one like Frankfort or even the northwest quadrant or roadway of Public Square? Whether this is Sherwin-Williams paying for this or the city paying for it, DRS has to have a permit filed with the city somewhere. And that starts the paper trail to find out who paid for this -- which is not an inexpensive job. And if it was Sherwin-Williams who paid for this as I suspect (because it all began on a privately owned piece of land for which Sherwin-Williams has a purchase agreement), then they are dead serious about locating on this site. You don't spend that kind of time and money on fixing the sewers to address a possible infiltration of flow from the aging sanitary sewers nearby if you're still debating this site. And considering they got a crew out there so fast, if this was Sherwin-Williams, they are in a big hurry to get this done. BTW, that's just the tip of the iceberg on how much Sherwin-Williams is spending on this site. And yes, I have an article coming to summarize what they've done and continue to do. Edited December 5, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 5, 20195 yr Could it be a similar situation like when someone buys a house? You do an inspection, and if you find anything wrong, you tell the current owners to fix it before you buy it SW has such a huge headache on its hands from an acquisition they made years ago, because that company they bought made lead paint, now SW is responsible for for all of the liability stemming from that. Now, is going to purchase the land, I could see them wanting property that is free and clear of any potential problems, like contaminated groundwater, that the corporation may be held liable for, even if it was due to the previous owners. But, this is just my speculation.
December 5, 20195 yr Author What if any contaminated groundwater is due to a problem that is the responsibility of a neighbor (ie the city's rights of way)? It's not the responsibility of Weston, but it must be dealt with prior to a title transfer. And it certainly must be dealt with well in advance of excavating for foundations to build a high rise so that the contamination (if there actually is any) can filter out through the soil. So if the city is responsible, SHW isn't going to wait around for them. They're going to take care of it themselves and possibly bill the city. If all of this is the case, it shows how much SHW wants this site. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20195 yr This is kinda random but with all that’s going on with SW do they have any plans to do something with the B&O station they own?
December 6, 20195 yr Author 1 hour ago, PAZUZU said: This is kinda random but with all that’s going on with SW do they have any plans to do something with the B&O station they own? I thought SHW was going to transfer it to the Metroparks or the city for something to do with Canal Basin Park. But considering how long that project is taking, I wouldn't take bets on it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, KJP said: I thought SHW was going to transfer it to the Metroparks or the city for something to do with Canal Basin Park. But considering how long that project is taking, I wouldn't take bets on it. I’m really not sure, the last thing I remember was a failed attempt at a international heritage center.
December 6, 20195 yr Author Yes, I've stooped to posting my tweets. But it's a pretty tweet. .. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20195 yr Author FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2019 Sherwin-Williams already spending big to put HQ at Public Square For more than a month now, real estate professionals have been watching the activity on the Jacobs Group/Weston Group-owned parking lots, located on the west side of Public Square. When asked what they think of it, their general response is "there's definitely something going on there." Why? Because of the amount of money being spent -- perhaps up to $10 million so far. MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/sherwin-williams-already-spending-big.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, KJP said: FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2019 Sherwin-Williams already spending big to put HQ at Public Square For more than a month now, real estate professionals have been watching the activity on the Jacobs Group/Weston Group-owned parking lots, located on the west side of Public Square. When asked what they think of it, their general response is "there's definitely something going on there." Why? Because of the amount of money being spent -- perhaps up to $10 million so far. MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/sherwin-williams-already-spending-big.html “Well apparently Atlanta” ???
December 6, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2019 Sherwin-Williams already spending big to put HQ at Public Square For more than a month now, real estate professionals have been watching the activity on the Jacobs Group/Weston Group-owned parking lots, located on the west side of Public Square. When asked what they think of it, their general response is "there's definitely something going on there." Why? Because of the amount of money being spent -- perhaps up to $10 million so far. MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/sherwin-williams-already-spending-big.html Great article KEN! Do you still think that the timeline for a formal announcement about the HQ & R/D Project will be this month or January? Edited December 6, 20195 yr by Larry1962
December 7, 20195 yr Author It could happen this month but the impact of the sewer repairs may take longer to show up. Then, again, if they're committed enough to the site to make sewer repairs, then I don't see what the holdup would be. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2019 Sherwin-Williams already spending big to put HQ at Public Square For more than a month now, real estate professionals have been watching the activity on the Jacobs Group/Weston Group-owned parking lots, located on the west side of Public Square. When asked what they think of it, their general response is "there's definitely something going on there." Why? Because of the amount of money being spent -- perhaps up to $10 million so far. MORE https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/sherwin-williams-already-spending-big.html @GISguy has stayed vigilant in reminding us how far Atlanta has come in this race, as evidenced by the article. Has there not been any movement on certificates of disclosure for the Jacob's lot still? Is that due to the due diligence that was already in play from the last go around prior to the Valspar acquisition? Thanks for the great article, Ken! As informative as it was lengthy!
December 7, 20195 yr Author 38 minutes ago, infrafreak said: Has there not been any movement on certificates of disclosure for the Jacob's lot still? Is that due to the due diligence that was already in play from the last go around prior to the Valspar acquisition? It's either due to SHW's preexisting familiarity with the site and/or the possibility that the title agency realized that it did not need to file the certificates. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 20195 yr It's possible they already have or are considering it -- after all, why would people from Gensler's Chicago office start following me on Twitter?By the way "hello" -- hope you're enjoying the blog! ??great!
December 9, 20195 yr Interestingly, a review of Gensler-Chicago's webpage indicates that one of their strengths is corporate branding/rebranding (ie. Goodyear).
December 9, 20195 yr 42 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: Interestingly, a review of Gensler-Chicago's webpage indicates that one of their strengths is corporate branding/rebranding (ie. Goodyear). Yes, this has been previously mentioned in this thread as well as KJP's articles. They were the lead designer for Goodyear's new headquarters and I believe Timken's HQ expansion as well in North Canton. On top of that they took over design on the Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse. So, they have had a pretty big impact in NE Ohio in recent years.
December 9, 20195 yr I'm not sure the branding/rebranding aspect of their capabilities has been previously mentioned. The interesting aspect is that they could assist SW in establishing an increased brand awareness/presence on PS, unlike what has been done in the past. Edited December 9, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder
December 13, 20195 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 20195 yr Four DRS trucks and about 10 workers are back to work this morning. This time on W. Superior on the south side of the Superblock.
December 13, 20195 yr I cant imagine at this stage that if SW were moving out of Cleveland someone wouldnt have spilled the beans already.
December 13, 20195 yr Author 42 minutes ago, skiwest said: I hope I can uncork that bottle of wine soon. ? I may take a little while longer. Not bad news. Just an interesting development. Stay tuned!! ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 13, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, KJP said: I may take a little while longer. Not bad news. Just an interesting development. Stay tuned!! ? For how long?
December 14, 20195 yr FRIDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2019 Sherwin-Williams HQ competition heats up, delays announcement If you wanted a shiny new Sherwin-Williams (SHW) headquarters plus a research and development (HQ+R&D) facility in your Cleveland-area stocking by Christmas morning, you're probably going to be disappointed. But don't expect a lump of coal either. According to two high-level sources, the competition for SHW's HQ+R&D facility is back to a two-horse race, with Bedrock Cleveland making a strong push to take back the lead from the Jacobs/Weston lots west of Public Square in downtown Cleveland. More below: http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/sherwin-williams-hq-competition-heats.html?m=0 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
December 27, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, KJP said: No but you can build a short building that can be added onto or, more likely, a parking deck you can build on top of, or leave a greenspace that can be developed, etc. Do you think it would be more cost effective for SHW to build excess capacity now, lease it out and make some return, and then move into the space(in the same building) down the road when they eventually need it.... then to wait and build again down the line? That way they can complete all construction at once, saving money because construction will only get more expensive, plus they will no longer have to think about/deal with construction for at least 20 or so years. Would you agree? Edited December 27, 20195 yr by MayDay Moved from nuCLEus thread
December 31, 20195 yr Author 46 minutes ago, simplythis said: I am hoping to hear some news in January 2020. Hopefully early January. I was told to not expect an announcement until February or even March. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 2, 20205 yr On 12/31/2019 at 4:54 PM, KJP said: I was told to not expect an announcement until February or even March. So does the additional time needed mean they are leaning from PS/Weston Superblock to the Bedrock site?
January 2, 20205 yr Author Yes, there apparently is a tougher decision to make. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 2, 20205 yr Is that speculation? Or insider knowledge about difficulties with one site or the other?
January 2, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Yes, there apparently is a tougher decision to make. NEOtrans time....
January 2, 20205 yr Author 1 hour ago, CbusTransit said: Is that speculation? Or insider knowledge about difficulties with one site or the other? Not difficulties. Just two sites competing with each other. Nothing new since my last blog.... https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/sherwin-williams-hq-competition-heats.html?m=1 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 2, 20205 yr Seems to be just the latest skirmish on Cleveland's perpetual dispute--build on Public Square or Flats/Riverfront. We''ve been debating this literally since Cleveland was founded.
January 2, 20205 yr It seems like the Bedrock site would be more suitable for the new justice center. It would be downtown, but not in the "heart" of downtown. A more fortified structure could be built at that location which is the preference for new law enforcement facilities. The new jail could be built nearby as well, possibly a bit to the south near the innerbelt. And I suppose they could also put the new police HQ in the vicinity if the opportunity corridor site gets shot down (no pun intended... well actually, a pun WAS intended).
January 2, 20205 yr Hard at work in Miami, driving revenue to build that new Cleveland headquarters. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Uis8zzAm0pJai0K3pGMUNXMXIZa3rbT_/view?usp=drivesdk Edited January 2, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder
January 3, 20205 yr Does anyone know if SHW still has an annual sales / business conference? I thought I had read speculation that they were likely to announce the construction of a new world headquarters at their annual business meeting which was in the Jan/Feb timeframe pre-Valspar. Perhaps, if they are holding a similar conference in 2020, the announcement would be made at the meeting this go'round?
January 3, 20205 yr https://investors.sherwin-williams.com/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SWIR%2FSWIRLayout&cid=1385095601051&pagename=SWIRWrapper Sherwin Williams : to Announce Year-End 2019 Financial Results on January 30, 2020 01/03/2020 | 09:01am EST CLEVELAND, Jan. 3, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- The Sherwin-Williams Company (NYSE: SHW) will issue a press release announcing its financial results for the fourth quarter and year ended December 31, 2019 prior to the opening of the market on Thursday, January 30, 2020. At that time, a copy of the press release and information regarding Sherwin-Williams' financial condition, operating segment results and other information will be available by clicking on this link Sherwin-Williams Press Releases, then clicking on the reference to the January 30th release. Edited January 3, 20205 yr by ExPatClevGuy
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