October 1, 200717 yr ^Last time I checked, a florist on the Square is a good thing Florists in the city are a good thing. I am not saying I don't want a florist near Fountain Square. I just think it is a waste of prime real estate to have them on the Square. I realize Fountain Square isn't our own Sim City game where we can cherry pick the businesses we want but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Is there still a large enough parcel to have something like a bookstore on the square? I still think something like a flagship Joseph Beth's on the square would be a huge hit.
October 1, 200717 yr I realize Fountain Square isn't our own Sim City game where we can cherry pick the businesses we want but that doesn't mean I have to like it. DAMNIT!!! SimCity was the whole reason I got into Urban Planning...I thought that was how things worked! *dejected*
October 1, 200717 yr Is there still a large enough parcel to have something like a bookstore on the square? I still think something like a flagship Joseph Beth's on the square would be a huge hit. Monte: I wondered this very thing beacuse I think it is needed. Wasn't sure if you could do something say on the 2nd floor of the Westin or move Kinko's and use 1st & 2nd floor space. Or if there were opportunities on the 2nd floors of 5/3 somewhere. My only other thought would be say first floor retail at 5th & Race in conjunction with whatever is there - movie theatres, theatres, condos, etc. Is that too far from the action? Maybe.
October 1, 200717 yr My only other thought would be say first floor retail at 5th & Race in conjunction with whatever is there - movie theatres, theatres, condos, etc. Is that too far from the action? Maybe. I don't think so...I think it would actually be a great way to start spreading out that activity from the square and allow it to keep spilling out onto the neighboring streets (like the 6th and Walnut intersection for example). I don't know how MED plans to redo the Enquirer Building, but maybe they could rework the two lower levels to accommodate a bookstore like this. It could be a very cool atmosphere if you preserved those beautiful details in that building...but like I said, I don't know if that is feasible or not...or if it fits within MED's plans.
October 1, 200717 yr I hear Joseph Beth does not have the financial ability to expand at this time. The fact that they are not on the square is more about Jo Beth than the Square Management.
October 1, 200717 yr My band played a gig Saturday night on Fountain Square for the downtown hoparound... that was the first time I've been down there at night since the redo. The atmosphere of playing down there with the lights on the fountain, and the changing colors over on 5/3, with the screen up there... it was cool. What's with the parking garage, though? I parked on the very top level, just 50 feet from the gate. To get out, they make you drive all the way down and all the way back up!?! Not real sure that's entirely necessary.
October 1, 200717 yr Downtown workers who live in "The Burbs" can pick up flowers for thier loved ones at lunch instead of fighting traffic at sprawlmart. And when they reply, Those are beautiful! Where did you get them?? They will say Downtown. Its positive energy. But its possible it could be in a better location. ^Last time I checked, a florist on the Square is a good thing Florists in the city are a good thing. I am not saying I don't want a florist near Fountain Square. I just think it is a waste of prime real estate to have them on the Square. I realize Fountain Square isn't our own Sim City game where we can cherry pick the businesses we want but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
October 1, 200717 yr Night life districts are something that should truely be a "district" in the purest form, IMO. It's more convenient. In a utopian district, one element easily relates to another. When you dress nice and go out to a restaurant or a bar by fountain square, you are likely to lounge around the square or go to other nearby establishments because it is something you do in your free time. I look at a florist the same way I look at a post office. It's there, and it's an important element but it's not "fun". This is all just abstract thinking, I realize it's not entirely realistic. Besides, I hate buying flowers, last time I bought a girl flowers she complained about the #$%#ing shade of color and asked if she was able to exchange them. That was the end of that.
October 1, 200717 yr Oh by the way, Pete called me from Nicolas to FINALLY start training. Jeez. Nicolas isn't exactly used to opening new restaurants, that's the only excuse I can think of for the delay.
October 2, 200717 yr Night life districts are something that should truely be a "district" in the purest form, IMO. It's more convenient. In a utopian district, one element easily relates to another. When you dress nice and go out to a restaurant or a bar by fountain square, you are likely to lounge around the square or go to other nearby establishments because it is something you do in your free time. I look at a florist the same way I look at a post office. It's there, and it's an important element but it's not "fun". This is all just abstract thinking, I realize it's not entirely realistic. Good, because it sounded really pathetic. I hope you're in planning school right now, and your mind is simply a little warped. When I go out to have "fun" I couldn't care less if the bar I'm going to is next to a florist, a dry cleaner, or whatever. Be honest, has anyone on this site actually said to themselves, "I'd be having a much better time at this place if I didn't have to walk past that irritating pet groomers to get in the door," or "The drinks in this place are overpriced and watered down and the girls are uptight and hugging the wall, but at least I can walk to seven other places exactly like it without leaving the block. I'm having fun." To give a serious and concrete example: has anyone here refused to go to The Comet simply because it is in the least convenient location in the City? I think the idea of an entertainment district is lame and misguided. Besides, I hate buying flowers, last time I bought a girl flowers she complained about the #$%#ing shade of color and asked if she was able to exchange them. That was the end of that. This redeems my opinion of your judgment. You certainly made the right call there. I remember a few years back when I was out to dinner with this girl and she got annoyed with me for ordering the same dessert as her. It seems I was supposed to order something different so that we could share. You'd think she could have simply changed her order after she realized that I had "screwed up" and ordered the same thing as her, but I suppose explaining my mistake to me immediately after I had made it was the most important thing to do at the time. I wonder what she's up to right now. She and I had a lot in common.
October 2, 200717 yr Good, because it sounded really pathetic. I hope you're in planning school right now, and your mind is simply a little warped. When I go out to have "fun" I couldn't care less if the bar I'm going to is next to a florist, a dry cleaner, or whatever. Be honest, has anyone on this site actually said to themselves, "I'd be having a much better time at this place if I didn't have to walk past that irritating pet groomers to get in the door," or "The drinks in this place are overpriced and watered down and the girls are uptight and hugging the wall, but at least I can walk to seven other places exactly like it without leaving the block. I'm having fun." To give a serious and concrete example: has anyone here refused to go to The Comet simply because it is in the least convenient location in the City? I think the idea of an entertainment district is lame and misguided. Calling someone's percieved ideal district "warped" and "pathetic" is just RUDE And yes, I am in a planning school, a pretty good one. I usually wouldn't mind that storefronts are occupied by a diverse variety of businesses, in fact, in most cases I think it's a beautiful thing. However, due to Cincinnati's layout it is extremely difficult to create a strong centralized entertainment district. In Columbus, all you have to say is "go to the short north". In Cincinnati, it's "well, you might like Northside if you're okay with it being a little gritty, or "you might like Mt. Adams if you're into a more yuppie scene", or "you might like Main Street in OTR if you don't mind crackheads screaming at you in exchange for going to one of the few DANCE clubs in Cincinnati". I would rather see fountain square have a strong identity as a place where people eat or have drinks and then enjoy the square. Maybe I implied it but I wasn't contending that everyone else has to feel the same way or that it's even entirely possible, hence "I realize it's unrealistic". We're talking about a public space downtown with limited ability for growth in entertainment, not a linear commercial business district that goes on for 1/2 of a mile. In that case, I would say hell yeah, bring in the florists, but as far as commercial space up against the square, I just see it "ideal" to have businesses that are more likely to promote foot traffic on the square. I still wish the florist success in his/her business and I'm always glad to see anything "occupied".
October 2, 200717 yr What you're missing is that bars/clubs do business at night, while other uses function during the day, including specialty retail. Having something like a florist actually benefits foot traffic, as it serves a daytime population. The meatpacking district was one of the chic nightspots last time I was in Manhattan, though it's not my style. Two guesses what (still) goes on there during the day. The difference between your and LK's way of thinking is that you're talking about districts and he's talking about cities.
October 2, 200717 yr What you're missing is that bars/clubs do business at night, while other uses function during the day, including specialty retail. Having something like a florist actually benefits foot traffic, as it serves a daytime population. The meatpacking district was one of the chic nightspots last time I was in Manhattan, though it's not my style. Two guesses what (still) goes on there during the day. Not necessarily, I mean Via Vite is open during lunch and dinner, as well as Palaminos and Rock Bottom. I wouldn't consider it ideal to have places that are only open at night. I do see a benefit in having a florist there during the day but I think people that eat and go to bars are more likely to lounge around such a great public space compared to people that go to a florist where they're just in and out. Maybe they're not just in and out, I could be wrong. The difference between your and LK's way of thinking is that you're talking about districts and he's talking about cities. I do think people get caught up in social engineering and trying to make a city or neighborhood something that it's not. In that sense, I can see where he's coming from. If we were talking about Northside, College Hill, Pleasant Ridge, Clifton etc I would want them to grow organically as possible because they hold such a unique character that could easily be lost but fountain square is a very dynamic tricky beast.
October 2, 200717 yr It's called "agglomeration of industry" There are many industries that benefit from clustering.
October 2, 200717 yr I don't get what the big deal is. Jones had previously been in what is now the "fountain square district" and, if memory serves, they were always planning on opening back up on the square after construction ended. I'd rather not kick out a long time tenant that serves not only the massive amount of 9 to 5ers downtown, but also has the potential to serve residents. Besides, from what it looks like, there is still plenty of space available for Potbelly's, Jones, and a new club or two.
October 2, 200717 yr The difference between your and LK's way of thinking is that you're talking about districts and he's talking about cities. This is key...because with the FS district I think you're only missing a couple pieces for a really vibrant night life. That can easily be accomplished with some of the other spaces surrounding the square. I don't think you necessarily need to have it right on the square...so while a florist may not be 'ideal' it certainly works at helping generate activity during the times that restaurants, bars and clubs don't. As others have said...a bookstore may be more ideal and even useful than a florist, but certainly this is a space that a bookstore would be too big for. There is PLENTY of room downtown for all of these places to open up and even grow down the road. We certainly shouldn't be all that picky right now. Just like residential, a critical mass will eventually happen with retail downtown, but right now it is still a work in progress. When we have a movie theatre, full service grocery (or two), bookstore and some other service retail we will be there (or at least a lot closer).
October 3, 200717 yr Florists grease the wheels that make what happens in the bars and clubs possible. You're a hot to trot Proctoid who meets a hot to trot 5/3rder and yada . . . yada . . . yada . . . you meet for lunch the next day at say JeanRo and how does the Proctoid impress the 5/3rder . . . that's right she remembers the florist by the bar and buys him flowers . . . and they get married . . . buy a nice condo downtown . . . have 1.9 children who go off to Montessori public school . . . and come back to Cincinnati to start a small well-capitalized business that employs across the socio-economic and racial spectrum . . . and Cincinnati's problems are solved for generations to come all because she remembered to buy him flowers . . .
October 3, 200717 yr she remembers the florist by the bar and buys him flowers . . . What drugs are you smoking and where on 12th street can I buy them? Impossible. These girls don't exist. When it comes to buying gifts or paying for anything during the "dating process", guys are the ones that end up broke. The whole scenario is borderline legalized prostitution if you ask me.
October 3, 200717 yr Calling someone's percieved ideal district "warped" and "pathetic" is just RUDE. After reading your post my mind immediately went to a conversation from the movie "Barcelona", in which one character, Ted, describes how he wants to go out with only plain or homely women, as what he perceives to be society's obsession with female beauty leads to relationships without a spiritual connection, which by his definition are not serious. His cousin, Fred, asks him a few questions that lead Ted to further explain his position, until Ted basically talks himself out of his new position and admits that it was merely an idea. To which Fred replies, "Good, because it sounded really pathetic." The fact that you made the assertion you did but by the end of your post admitted it was unworkable reminded me of this piece of dialogue, so I responded by quoting Fred (obviously I didn't bother to put in quotation marks. I didn't think anyone else would understand that). Merriam-Webster's definition of the word pathetic: Main Entry: pa·thet·ic Pronunciation: p&-'the-tik Function: adjective Etymology: Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French pathetique, from Late Latin patheticus, from Greek pathEtikos capable of feeling, pathetic, from paschein (aorist pathein) to experience, suffer -- more at PATHOS 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 : marked by sorrow or melancholy : SAD 3 : pitifully inferior or inadequate <the restaurant's pathetic service> 4 : ABSURD, LAUGHABLE <a pathetic costume> synonym see MOVING I was using the word (like the character Fred) in the manner of the fourth definition. I found the manner in which you made a bold assertion at the beginning of your post and slowly backed away from it until you essentially admitted it's unworkability to be funny, or laughable. I apologize if it came across as rude, but I think your post perfectly described the absurdity of planning in terms of entertainment or retail districts.
October 3, 200717 yr This is key...because with the FS district I think you're only missing a couple pieces for a really vibrant night life. That can easily be accomplished with some of the other spaces surrounding the square. I don't think you necessarily need to have it right on the square...so while a florist may not be 'ideal' it certainly works at helping generate activity during the times that restaurants, bars and clubs don't. Maybe I just don't get it. How do you quantitatively determine the vibrancy of a give geographical location's night life? Hook-ups per available couples? Drinks consumed? Time spent dancing versus time spent standing? Maybe I sound dismissive or rude but seriously I don't see the point in this. Perhaps it is because I'm coming at it from the perspective of prescriptive policy, but what other perspective is there? Aren't we talking about policy, about the success or failure of government inputs (public money, zoning regulations, etc.)? When people discuss mixed-use they are basically making the argument that the most successful (and perhaps efficient) urban areas are those that allow for multiple activities. But the key is that they allow them, they don't provide them. Building an office park or a gated subdivision is an act that disallows certain activities. Allowing buildings that range from 10-30 stories allows for the possibility of office or residential usages (perhaps even artisan style manufacturing). But it doesn't prescribe them. The market is supposed to take care of that.
October 3, 200717 yr 1. It sounds like you're saying I changed my stance which I DIDNT. I stated my opinion about districts in general and said it was unrealistic to expect it to happen in its purest form because I knew someone like you would respond. Well, cities and districts are COMPLEX. You don't always get what you want or what is most efficient and you can't always group the same uses. However it's probably not a coincidence that there are 5-6 urban design/graphic design/ etc firms clustered together on W. 4th street (Hey man, my plotter broke, is it okay if I use yours!? Jeez it sure is nice that we're all clustered together and can share resources!" ). Then you have law firms wanting to locate near jails/courthouses. How about fast food places? Surely those fast food giants know what they're doing when they use GIS to strategically locate themselves next to each other. The reason why is because when people think "I'm hungry and I'm broke" they can connect that with a "fast food district" where they go to that sprawly disaster known as Delhi, Beechmont, etc. and determine once they're there, what they want. It's no doubt applicable to upscale dining and bars. 2. You expect me to have seen "Barcelona"?! The last movie I saw was Shooter and it was 4-5 months ago. That's grounds for you to "obviously" not put "good because it sounds really pathetic" in quotation marks? 3. The fact that you would copy word for word the Webster entry "pathetic" is insulting and pretty damn arrogant. The fourth definition which you claim to have used is the most COMMONLY USED anyway. 2,3,and 4 are all closely related.
October 3, 200717 yr Woops didn't see this. Maybe I sound dismissive or rude but seriously I don't see the point in this. Apology accepted. I need to stop drinking coffee so late. I don't get any sleep at night. Now I know how the Chairman of Blackwater feels :(
October 3, 200717 yr Woops didn't see this. Maybe I sound dismissive or rude but seriously I don't see the point in this. Apology accepted. I'm not trying to fight with you but, if you think I'm a douchebag then by all means let me have it. It wouldn't be hard to make a pretty decent case that I am a douche; I'd be inclined to agree with you in some respects. However douchebag or not, I think my points are still relevant. I will respond to your latest post and then, on my end, leave it at that: 1. It sounds like you're saying I changed my stance which I DIDNT. I stated my opinion about districts in general and said it was unrealistic to expect it to happen in its purest form because I knew someone like you would respond. Well, cities and districts are COMPLEX. You don't always get what you want or what is most efficient and you can't always group the same uses. I don't believe you wrote your post with the intent that "someone like [me] would respond" (and I hope that by someone like me you mean cramer, dmerkow, jmecklenborg, noozer or KJP. If you I remind you of other posters, let me know and I will try to alter my posts accordingly). It still strikes me as though you wrote it because you believed it, and that you weren't trying to draw out a contrary opinion. I will take your word that you didn't change your position, though to me it still sounds like you are admitting the impracticality of your ideal. It was your statement, "This is all just abstract thinking," that led me to that understanding. However it's probably not a coincidence that there are 5-6 urban design/graphic design/ etc firms clustered together on W. 4th street (Hey man, my plotter broke, is it okay if I use yours!? Jeez it sure is nice that we're all clustered together and can share resources!" ). Then you have law firms wanting to locate near jails/courthouses. But we aren't really talking about that, are we? We were talking about the presence of a florist in a prime location in an "entertainment district". My argument was 1) that the presence of said florist in said location does not adversely effect said entertainment district; 2) that the idea of an entertainment district is essentially absurd. The fact that law firms cluster around the courthouse is because quick and easy access to the court makes their job far more efficient. But where would the "law district" begin and end, geographically? And once again, the word district has a prescriptive connotation, as if some authority chose a particular geographical area in which a given activity should take place (for example, TIF districts. In these limited geographical areas, tax increment financing may occur). You may be using the word district in an non-prescriptive way, like the example you gave of the law firms, but I found the complaint that a florist would locate his or herself in the district to imply that the district was or should be prescriptive. And it is the idea of a prescriptive entertainment district- the idea that some authority says, in effect, "Go here to have fun", that I find to be ludicrous. How about fast food places? Surely those fast food giants know what they're doing when they use GIS to strategically locate themselves next to each other. The reason why is because when people think "I'm hungry and I'm broke" they can connect that with a "fast food district" where they go to that sprawly disaster known as Delhi, Beechmont, etc. and determine once they're there, what they want. It's no doubt applicable to upscale dining and bars. Now I am extremely confused as to what you mean by the word district. 2. You expect me to have seen "Barcelona"?! The last movie I saw was Shooter and it was 4-5 months ago. That's grounds for you to "obviously" not put "good because it sounds really pathetic" in quotation marks? I reread what I wrote and I think it seems clear enough that I didn't expect anyone to get the quotation that came to my mind (I didn't even expect the people on this blog that I know who have seen "Barcelona" to get the reference if I put it in quotation marks), and that is why I didn't put it in quotation marks. And I used the word "obviously" there because everyone can see that I didn't use quotation marks. All you have to do is scroll up and look at the post. I wrote the anecdote of the my mental state when writing that line because the line offended you. The purpose of the anecdote was to show how I wasn't attempting to attack you personally with the line, but that I was amusing myself. That sort of self-centeredness could legitimately be considered rude, though I don't think using the word pathetic to refer to an idea or an action is. It's not a slur. I've had plenty of pathetic ideas and actions. If someone else referred to them as such it doesn't make them any more pathetic. 3. The fact that you would copy word for word the Webster entry "pathetic" is insulting and pretty damn arrogant. The fourth definition which you claim to have used is the most COMMONLY USED anyway. 2,3,and 4 are all closely related. This I can not agree with. You were offended by my use of a particular word and implied that I used it in a certain way. I do not find said word to be offensive. As a result of this impasse, as well as to make sure that I hadn't misused the word, I decided that it would be useful to bring in a third party (in this case merriam-webster's online dictionary) in order so that both of us would have equal access to the point in question. That's also why I referenced where I got the definition from, so that you could go to the source and see where I had gotten it from and verify for yourself its independence (i.e. that I did not re-type the definitions to better reflect my opinion). It seems to me that it would have been arrogant to simply tell you what I perceived the definition to be without the reference, for that would have shown that I didn't care about anyone else's opinion on the matter. To the crowd, I will ask, as this seems to be more and more of a generally held opinion (I've been noticing it in other places than just blogs) when did it become insulting to let someone know that they are misusing a word (I'm not saying David had the wrong definition of pathetic)? If I am misusing or mispronouncing a word, I'd want the first person who notices to tell me, so that I quit doing it. It's like having a boog hanging out of your nose- it's better to be slightly embarrassed when someone points it out than have nobody tell you so it keeps hanging out there all day.
October 3, 200717 yr Impossible. These girls don't exist. You're in college, I am sure you rarely come across them on campus, however they do exist in the corporate world.
October 3, 200717 yr you guys realize you just spent an entire page arguing over definitions of mean names and florists, right? lol
October 3, 200717 yr so to get more on topic, I ate lunch on the square today and Via Vite has signage up with red trim hanging from the outdoor seating area. The signage says, 'Via Vite' (obviously) in cursive and is bright red. Looks good and certainly adds color to the square that was needed. There was also some small show going on, some performing arts thing. The square was packed more so than usual with people watching. Ever since I moved here, every time I work downtown I eat on the square and have been impressed with the feel of the place and the amount of activities happening on that stage.
October 3, 200717 yr I can sum up this whole argument in one sentence: One-upmanship is the opiate of UrbanOhio. That is all.
October 3, 200717 yr so to get more on topic, I ate lunch on the square today and Via Vite has signage up with red trim hanging from the outdoor seating area. The signage says, 'Via Vite' (obviously) in cursive and is bright red. Looks good and certainly adds color to the square that was needed. There was also some small show going on, some performing arts thing. The square was packed more so than usual with people watching. Ever since I moved here, every time I work downtown I eat on the square and have been impressed with the feel of the place and the amount of activities happening on that stage. I actually was a part of the 20/20 Arts Festival on the Square today: http://www.20days20nights.com/images/2020/2007/Enq_2020_full.pdf. I led a one-hour, downtown architectural tour at noon from Fountain Square and we had about 20-25 people I would guess. It was great as my normal Saturday tours downtown have been averaging about 3 lately! I noticed the Via Vite signage & fabric too. Looking good . . .
October 3, 200717 yr ^oh really...what exactly were you doing....trying to see if I remember your part or not. I watched intently for about 20 minutes.
October 3, 200717 yr Right after the Brazilian dancers, I was over by the Fountain and gave a brief history of Fountain Square and the Tyler Davidson Fountain to the group that was gathered there. We then took off north up Vine Street for a one hour walking tour. So you would have just caught me at noon and then when we got back at 1:00.
October 3, 200717 yr oh, yea i didnt get to the square til 12:10 or so and there was something going on with glass and trapping people with it. It was The Factory....thats all I really remember in terms of who they were speaking about. What is The Factory?
October 3, 200717 yr I was just at Nicola's filling out the paper work; the owners are shooting for the 13th now. If someone wants me to type out the menu for Via Vite I have the lunch and dinner menus, just say the word. The list isn't that long. It's very authentic. Lunch is as cheap as at Indigo. They don't have the wine list made yet though.
October 4, 200717 yr LOL Dinner: Appetizers: Soup of the Day--7 Assortment of bruschettas--10 Mussels alla marinara with garlic crostone--13 Inzimino: Traditional Tuscan stew of Calamari and spinach, with crostini--11 Pizza with onions and Italian picy sausage--13 Pizza with prosciutto and mushrooms--13 Pizza Napoletana with sea salt capers, anchovies and mozzarella--13 Salads: Caprese of fresh imported buffalo mozzarella with tomatoes and basil--14 Boucheron Goat Cheese, spring mix, raspberry vinaigrette and Pistachios--11 Arugula and pine nuts with shaved Parmigiano Reggiano--10 Grilled asparagus with marinated roasted beets and goat cheese--10 Fingerling potato salad with gruyere cheese, celery root and truffle oil--10 Pastas: Linguine al pesto with sauteed shrimp--22 Penne with traditional meat sauce alla bolognese--18 Spaghetti with tomato sauce and fresh basil--16 Rigatoni Vodka tomato sauce "vecchia Firenze" with a touch of cream--20 Linguine with crab meat and tomato basil sauce--22 Entrees: Roasted whole hen with potato puree--23 Seared cod with my grandma's peperonata--25 Broiled swordfish with salsa alla pizzaiola--24 Braised lamb shank with creamy polenta--25 Grilled pork chop with zucchini sauce and pancetta--25 Sides: Cauliflower au gratin--6 peperonata--6 Field greens--5 potato puree--4 Fresh Spinach olive oil and garlic--5 Creamy polenta and Parmigiano Reggiano--4 --------------------------------------------- Lunch: Soups: Cup 5, bowl 7 Fresh broccoli soup with toasted crostini and goat cheese leeks and potato soup with truffle oil Yellow pepper soup with croutons and extra virgin olive oil Salads: Tomato and mozzarella salad with extra virgin olive oil--12 Warm goat cheese, dried figs, mixed greens and raspberry vinaigrette--10 Grilled vegetable salad--10, with Chicken--13, with irish organic salmon--14 Our grilled Panini: served with greens or pasta salad Panino with spicy italian sausage and peperonata--9.75 Panino with caprese salad and extra virgin olive oil--9.50 Focaccia with fontina cheese and truffled porcini mushrooms--11.50 Panino with Chicken Milanese, tomatoes and lettuce--10 Wood Fired Pizza: Margherita, with fresh mozzarella tomato sauce and basil--10 Prosciutto e funghi, with mushrooms and Italian ham--12.50 Italian Sausage, red onions, tomato sauce and mozzarella--12 Pesto, artichokes and goat cheese--11 Pastas: penne with traditional meat sauce alla Bolognese--15 Spaghetti with tomato sauce, basil and extra virgin oilive oil--12 Pappardelle with wild mushrooms and Grand Padano cheese--15 Linguine alle vongole with clams, mussels, garlic and Italian parsley--15 Tortellini alla Romana with peas, muchrooms and cream sauce--15 Spaghetti Amatriciana, with pancetta and spicy tomato sauce--14 Entree: Today's chef's recommendation Oh, and we have private party rooms.
October 4, 200717 yr Are there two or three floors to the restaurant? I remember hearing that their would be rooftop seating, is that still the case?
October 4, 200717 yr Are there two or three floors to the restaurant? I remember hearing that their would be rooftop seating, is that still the case? it doesnt look like there would be rooftop seating, but I could be wrong. Definitely upper terrace seating though, which will be cool. I cant wait to eat here. Its gonna be packed! David, are you going to be a waitor? If so, you'll be making some good money.
October 4, 200717 yr I might start out as a busser; I don't have much experience serving and bussing usually pays almost as much since you get tipped out on top of a higher base pay. I'd serve at Indigo sometimes but I found it to not be worth it because as a host/busser I was tipped out 10 percent of what every server got at Indidgo on top of 7/hr. At Via Vite bussers get a percentage of the sales for the day.
October 4, 200717 yr Start off a server, you'll do fine and you will thank me later. I used to bus and I don't miss those days.
October 4, 200717 yr well make sure you get tipped out. sometimes bussers dont get tipped out and only work on base pay. I think this is rare but I have definitely heard of it.
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