July 16, 201410 yr http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/PublishingImages/MainlineReconstructionUpdated_June2014.jpg here is an overview Pink is the "new" edgewater BLVD, including a new roundabout at the entrance to Edgewaterpark. Green is the multi-use trail. I was also told..... "everything north of the train tracks is the Metroparks responsibility everything south is the City's" Matt Zone said he had a meeting next week with the Metroparks and the city to delineate responsibility I am not sure if he meant the road as well, since the question had to do with maintaining the landscaping.
July 16, 201410 yr Ugh, is the name change to Edgewater Blvd really necessary? I think this will be one of those formal names for a road that never gets adopted by everyday public use. The Shoreway is a name that is so engrained in Clevelander's vocabulary. If you are going to change it, at least call it Shoreway Blvd or something to that effect.
July 16, 201410 yr Ugh, is the name change to Edgewater Blvd really necessary? I think this will be one of those formal names for a road that never gets adopted by everyday public use. The Shoreway is a name that is so engrained in Clevelander's vocabulary. If you are going to change it, at least call it Shoreway Blvd or something to that effect. I think you are just upset they didn't make west blvd longer and more grand :-) Actually not a bad idea really
July 17, 201410 yr Another take away.....Matt Zone seems to be pretty good at his job. Not only getting this done, but keeping the crowd on point. Be careful drawing any conclusions about Zone from that meeting. I lived in his ward for 6 yrs & majority of his ward is still a dive. This project went forward with a lot of signatures from folks who probably don't know who Zone is.
July 17, 201410 yr I'm still upset that they could not put a dedicated bike lane running parallel to the Shoreway. Not white knighting, but I'm pretty certain Zone has been heavily involved in that project. I know Westbrook was before he retired.
July 17, 201410 yr 3) Father Frascati will be "punched" through from 73rd to 70th. The industrial building standing at father caruso between 70th and 73rd will be demolished for the road extension and the remainder of the property will be developed by Vintage. Whoa, wait! That "remainder of the property" is pretty big. Any idea of what Vintage is proposing? Wow, it is big. This is the area that Vintage would develop. I've added an extended Father Frascati Drive to the map. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 201410 yr Vintage is also doing breakwater bluffs, correct? No, that's NRP. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 201410 yr 3) Father Frascati will be "punched" through from 73rd to 70th. The industrial building standing at father caruso between 70th and 73rd will be demolished for the road extension and the remainder of the property will be developed by Vintage. Whoa, wait! That "remainder of the property" is pretty big. Any idea of what Vintage is proposing? Wow, it is big. This is the area that Vintage would develop. I've added an extended Father Frascati Drive to the map. That's a great map but not all that area is going to be able to be developed. Keep in mind how much 73rd is going to drop down for this road to go under the tracks. It will be a steep retaining wall on the west side I believe and more of a tapered slope on the east side of the trench. At least that's how it was drawn in the last rendering I saw. That parcel is going to be hard to develop though. Vintage cannot build on top of the relocated sewer trench which now bisects that parcel and they need car access which can only come in from the new street, extension of Frascati...
July 17, 201410 yr ^ Is there any renderings of this? I havent seen any but would love to if they are available. Cant quite picture it.
July 17, 201410 yr Oh dont worry, Vintage will find a way to squeeze money out of that little plot of land and piss everyone off while doing so.
July 17, 201410 yr FYI ^ The rendering above by KJP is close to correct, but Frascati will currve slightly south and spill out right at the mouth of that driveway one south.
July 18, 201410 yr all of the area in your top down that is not currently under a building is used for the 73rd st. underpass. Between that and the new street 1/2 of that property will be undevelopable. What you are left with is about the same area as that smaller looking lot across W. 73rd to the east. Which is still pretty significant, but means 20 new townhomes instead of 40
July 18, 201410 yr Is any of the industrial property to the south of the new Father Frascati included in the development site?
July 19, 201410 yr Is any of the industrial property to the south of the new Father Frascati included in the development site? There's really no other industrial property south of Frascati. The next property down on 73rd is the Mobile Martin ambulance dispatch center and further up toward Detroit on the east side of 73rd is pretty much all empty buildings and vacant lots... The west side of 73rd is either Battery Park development or older existing homes...
July 21, 201410 yr The property just south of the "new" frasciti is an active business. The owner was at the meeting and was very concerned about how it would affect her loading dock. Except for 7 houses W. 70th on the West side all the way up to Detroit is all industrial property (Plus mt. carmel's soccer field ---about 1/2 regulation size). Some of it is not currently active, but it is almost all industrial
July 21, 201410 yr The property just south of the "new" frasciti is an active business. The owner was at the meeting and was very concerned about how it would affect her loading dock. Except for 7 houses W. 70th on the West side all the way up to Detroit is all industrial property (Plus mt. carmel's soccer field ---about 1/2 regulation size). Some of it is not currently active, but it is almost all industrial Two of those properties are already up for sale. I assume this is the active business you are referring to. http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1279-W-73rd-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/2106169524_zpid/ http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1294-W-70th-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/2106169523_zpid/
July 21, 201410 yr the first link is the property where the owner/operator was at the meeting. 30k sf light industrial property for sale for $972,000, if they cant cash a lottery ticket they will be there for years to come, which is why she was at the meeting concerned about what a new Frascati will mean for her loading dock....hardly 1 foot out of the neighborhood if they had any firm offer on the table. neither of those is mobile martin, both are currently in use as industrial property. Just because they are for sale doesn't mean they wont continue in their industrial use. This statement by gottaplan is false "There's really no other industrial property south of Frascati. " All of the property south of frascati is currently industrial (at least on the W. 70th side) just because it is for sale and could possibly someday become residential, doesn't mean that it is not currently industrial. I drive down W. 70th every day. 1 side is residential (west) ...Mt Carmel, the highrise, the lowrise yellow condos, the townhouses.... the east side is a wall of industrial buldings with the exception of 7 houses across from the high rise, all the way up to the old Tower Candy bldg just north of detroit.
July 21, 201410 yr These are the descriptions for the 2 properties: what here says NOT industrial/commercial Built in 1999, this light manufacturing facility is over 29,000sf contains 2 overhead doors, shop space for vehicle maintenance, several office spaces, conference room, loft storage, central air conditioning, living quarters with a balcony, security fencing, security cameras, sprinkler system and fenced in parking. Located across from Battery Park. New shore way entrance currently under construction on W.73rd street. Minutes from downtown! Perfect for Owner/User Facts Built in 1995, this light manufacturing facility is over 20,000sf contains 2 overhead doors, shop space for vehicle maintenance, several office spaces, conference room, central air conditioning, security fencing, security cameras, sprinkler system and fenced inparking. Located near Battery Park. New shore way entrance currently under construction on W.73rd street. Minutesfrom downtown! Perfect for Owner/User. For more information on building # 1 for sale, please see listing # 3632595.
July 23, 201410 yr The property just south of the "new" frasciti is an active business. The owner was at the meeting and was very concerned about how it would affect her loading dock. Except for 7 houses W. 70th on the West side all the way up to Detroit is all industrial property (Plus mt. carmel's soccer field ---about 1/2 regulation size). Some of it is not currently active, but it is almost all industrial Two of those properties are already up for sale. I assume this is the active business you are referring to. http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1279-W-73rd-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/2106169524_zpid/ http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1294-W-70th-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/2106169523_zpid/ That seems bizarre that Mobile Martin would sell now. Their business relies on highway access and they are going to have a new direct shot right outside their front door with this new interchange. I'm curious where they think they would relocate to. No way will someone pay what they are asking for either. The city should hurry up & rezone all that area along 70th & 73rd to be multi-story residential/mixed use for density, so anyone potentially interested in buying knows that is what the end use wouild have to be
July 23, 201410 yr its a lottery ticket, if somebody is paying top dollar, take it. Maybe they move over to the Opportunity corridor, or along 176, 71, 77 or 90. If there is something that Cleveland has no shortage of, is underused/abandoned industrial property that would be real easy to re-purpose as a parking garage for a fleet of vans.
July 23, 201410 yr well there's no way anyone can pay what those owners are asking for that property, then demolish, redevelop & build something new, and still get a profit out of the deal...
July 28, 201410 yr Well I thing we know what is going to happen to the Industrial building be taken down at the corner of 70th and Father Caruso for the entrance into the park. As well as the the lot on the north east corner of the current battery park site. Will cross post in the Detroit Shoreway thread http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/vintage_development_group_plan.html#incart_river Marous said Vintage is seeing considerable demand for apartments and for-sale homes in the city. Buying activity has picked up at Battery Park, the company's large residential community that overlooks Edgewater Park from a perch between West 73rd and West 76th streets. Vintage is in the early design stages for a 90-unit apartment building at Battery Park and a 34-unit loft condominium building. Condo construction didn't make sense on the Ohio City site, though, because of the larger size of the project and the need for early buyer commitments.
August 21, 201410 yr Trains are using the accessory RR tracks as of today. Thus far they are coming through slow and squeaky .... house jiggling a bit.
August 31, 201410 yr Well I thing we know what is going to happen to the Industrial building be taken down at the corner of 70th and Father Caruso for the entrance into the park. As well as the the lot on the north east corner of the current battery park site. Will cross post in the Detroit Shoreway thread http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/vintage_development_group_plan.html#incart_river Marous said Vintage is seeing considerable demand for apartments and for-sale homes in the city. Buying activity has picked up at Battery Park, the company's large residential community that overlooks Edgewater Park from a perch between West 73rd and West 76th streets. Vintage is in the early design stages for a 90-unit apartment building at Battery Park and a 34-unit loft condominium building. Condo construction didn't make sense on the Ohio City site, though, because of the larger size of the project and the need for early buyer commitments. Would rather not see rentals. Invest instead.
October 27, 201410 yr Heard some construction noise so took a walk over to 73rd today. Lots of excavation with dirt being loaded onto trucks and hauled off. I think they are actually digging the tunnel portion under the rail road tracks now. Slow and steady progress. :)
October 28, 201410 yr Heard some construction noise so took a walk over to 73rd today. Lots of excavation with dirt being loaded onto trucks and hauled off. I think they are actually digging the tunnel portion under the rail road tracks now. Slow and steady progress. :) Probably heard it because the mound they've built on the Shoreway side is high enough (as are the vehicles working it) that the bluff was no longer able to muffle the sound. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 28, 201410 yr I drove by yesterday, seems like they are really moving on the North side of the tunnel work. The Edgewater on/off ramps are now clearly defined and the multi-use path looks reworked as well. Digging out for the tunnel on the north will be interesting. They'll have to set the bridge walls and rebuild the bridge and tracks, then flip the train traffic again. This really is a huge project. For something that will see a very very small amount of traffic...
October 28, 201410 yr This really is a huge project. For something that will see a very very small amount of traffic... Ya think so? I am going to be using this new connector quite a bit.
October 28, 201410 yr I think they were hauling in crane pieces this morning. "This really is a huge project. For something that will see a very very small amount of traffic..." Yep. Diminishing returns, cost benefit analysis, absolutely. But hey, lot's of happy developers.
October 28, 201410 yr I think they were hauling in crane pieces this morning. "This really is a huge project. For something that will see a very very small amount of traffic..." Yep. Diminishing returns, cost benefit analysis, absolutely. But hey, lot's of happy developers. If I recall correctly, the Shoreway conversion plan played a key role as a catalyst for Battery Park.
October 29, 201410 yr People have been buying in Battery Park for many years. Before this project was formally approved. Nobody is buying in BP because of the 73rd connection. Most residents oppose it because it will make the neighborhood a cut through when it's essentially a cul-de-sac. Also severs the east/west connection that existed at Fr. Caruso
November 4, 201410 yr The big crane and the early signs of what looks to be the actual tunnel under the RR tracks.
November 21, 201410 yr West 65th pedestrian tunnel re-opened today. Just in time for high season ;) No help to me haha. Tried cutting through there on my bike last month and didn't know it was blocked off...tried getting to Edgewater following the detours and it was like I got lost in some kind of infinite loop.
November 22, 201410 yr Walked through the 65th tunnel now that it's open. The exit ramp East bound into the park looks completed.
November 26, 201410 yr Installation of Lakefront Bikeway multipurpose trail along US 6 from W 65th St to W 28th St. I took this picture on Monday. This is the first signage I've seen for the Bikeway. (This is at Edgewater Park exit, south side of the road at the stop sign)
November 26, 201410 yr And this one is just this morning. They have the crews out doing the road surface markings on the new ramp. This is new from just this weekend.
November 26, 201410 yr I'd love to see GCRTA's #55 buses make a stop at the bottom of these ramps to give greater access to Edgewater Park and to Battery Park (as well as cross into downtown on the Detroit-Superior bridge with a stop at West 25th). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 28, 201410 yr what is wrong about this picture? how could you not describe the effect of this elevated highway as deminishing the value of the buildings and land around it.
November 28, 201410 yr what is wrong about this picture? how could you not describe the effect of this elevated highway as deminishing the value of the buildings and land around it. Does anyone have any pictures of what used to be here before it was built?
November 28, 201410 yr Start with this aerial of the Main Avenue Bridge project area, Aug. 28, 1932: And this project overview from 1938: Old Main Avenue swing bridge, looking east toward National Terminals Building (right), June 8, 1938: Original lighthouse on bluff of Water Street (W. 9th before numbered streets came into being in c1915). Note the lighthouse tower itself was gone by the time the 1930 picture below was taken. I don't know which year this photo was taken: Lakeside Ave. and W. 9th Street, illustration shows where new Main St. Bridge may be constructed, April 2, 1930 (this view almost directly corresponds with the modern photo posted in this thread yesterday): Additional information for the above photo: Description Lines are drawn on the photograph to indicate where the new bridge may be constructed. The Main Ave. Bridge was eventually constructed and opened in 1939 in this area and stretches across the Cuyahoga River Valley. Original Date 1930-04-02 Published by Cleveland Press Also, readers may be interested in this: 1955 Comprehensive arterial highway plan, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. A report to the Board of County Commissioners, Cuyahoga County, Ohio http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/fullbrowser/collection/urbanohio/id/-1/rv/compoundobject/cpd/1910/rec/43 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 29, 201410 yr Great pics. Quick update: Exit ramp eastbound into Edgewater Park re-opened today. :)
December 9, 201410 yr Today I was exiting the West Shoreway on E 9th and, as per usual, there were several cars kind of stuck trying to leave the Amtrack space. Why isn't that Amtrack traffic simply routed up the ramp to the E. 9th traffic light. It would make for a much easier entrance onto the Shoreway, and those cars/trucks wouldn't be boxed in by the cars exiting E. 9th.
December 9, 201410 yr Amtrak. I can't picture what you're referring to. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 9, 201410 yr heading into downtown from the west. have you ever tried taking the e9 exit ramp and there is traffic on your right, trying to merge onto the shoreway? Maybe not from amtrak- could be from a parking garage. Anyhow its an awkward, dangerous situation.
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